Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Lady di was the greatest women ever Followed by cher Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 I cried when the IRA bombed the Grand Hotel in Brighton.... ....I just couldn't believe they didn't get her. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 16 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Pathetic. Don't rise to the trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 As many people have said before me, when she dies they are going to make her grave large and flat with flashing lights. Then we can all dance on it. She did more damage to this country than the Luftwaffe. And manufacturing and engineering in this country will probably never recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 So name some greater women? As far as great British women go there's Maggie, Florence Nightingale, Boudicea, and now i'm struggling. Greater women than Thatcher - Michaela Strachan, Jordan, Jade Goody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Lady di was the greatest women ever Followed by cher Lloyd I can't work out if this is sarcastic or not, really hoping it is obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 As many people have said before me, when she dies they are going to make her grave large and flat with flashing lights. Then we can all dance on it. She did more damage to this country than the Luftwaffe. And manufacturing and engineering in this country will probably never recover. Talk about OTT So you really think in today's world that of maggie never happened we would still be sending people down mines at the rate we did..(more mines closed under the previous labour govt)... Health and safety would not have put a spanner in the works?? Do you really think that the far east would not have out priced us in industry anyway...unless, you advocate slave labour here in the UK??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Was it maggie who introduced the right to buy scheme?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 During the '83 Election Campaign, she visited a company where I was working. She's a lot shorter than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Was it maggie who introduced the right to buy scheme?? And that's a good thing, what do tyou think drove our ever increasing personal debt? The housing bubble, free markets. If we all treated houses as homes instead of this mad get on the housing ladder and keep stepping up the UK would be a better place. As it happens the right to buy has removed affordable homes from the market and subsequently seen people doing buy-to-let ths driving prices up further. And I'll join Landford dancing and ****ing on her grave. As for the OP, the greatest woman EVER in the world, please..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Was it maggie who introduced the right to buy scheme?? Yep, which is one of the reasons why we have a lack of affordable council housing for the poorest now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 And that's a good thing, what do tyou think drove our ever increasing personal debt? The housing bubble, free markets. If we all treated houses as homes instead of this mad get on the housing ladder and keep stepping up the UK would be a better place. As it happens the right to buy has removed affordable homes from the market and subsequently seen people doing buy-to-let ths driving prices up further. And I'll join Landford dancing and ****ing on her grave. As for the OP, the greatest woman EVER in the world, please..... Don't worry, dune will hang himself sooner or later...on the board, not in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 And that's a good thing, what do tyou think drove our ever increasing personal debt? The housing bubble, free markets. If we all treated houses as homes instead of this mad get on the housing ladder and keep stepping up the UK would be a better place. As it happens the right to buy has removed affordable homes from the market and subsequently seen people doing buy-to-let ths driving prices up further. And I'll join Landford dancing and ****ing on her grave.As for the OP, the greatest woman EVER in the world, please..... Is there room for one more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 It's was a good thing.. We cry for our poor students that they may never get in the property ladder... The right to buy enabled people to do just that.. Sure it was not perfect but it helped.. My family back them were staunch labour... My nan was a member of the labour party and took me on poll tax demos.. My family had nothing and for generations grew up in social housing in poor condition.. I grew up in bed sits etc.. When my mum had the chance to buy our council flat.. She took it and has never looked back.. She lived there for about 15 years.. Sold it at an almighty profit about 6 years ago and now lives a better life than we/she thought was possible back in 1990 ish... Same can be said for my aunty an an uncle.. Instead of living in a **** hole of a tower block.. Took the gamble when right to buy came out.. Lived with it for a few years and dramatically improved their quality of life... That in my family is a fact.. Sure there are no doubt horror stories.. But I can't thank that scheme enough for helping out my family in millbrook... No.. Whether enough housing was ordered is another debate an something all parties are guilty of not dealing with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 And that's a good thing, what do tyou think drove our ever increasing personal debt? The housing bubble, free markets. If we all treated houses as homes instead of this mad get on the housing ladder and keep stepping up the UK would be a better place. As it happens the right to buy has removed affordable homes from the market and subsequently seen people doing buy-to-let ths driving prices up further. And I'll join Landford dancing and ****ing on her grave. As for the OP, the greatest woman EVER in the world, please..... I agree that this helped push house prices up. That was going to happen anyway as demand outstripped supply. What is wrong in people wishing to get a better home environment? Surely the betterment pushes us on to work harder and so achieve. If we could move back to Britain at the time and experienced the state we were in and then it could be accepted it was 'the time and place'. We were on a downward spiral and the voters in the main realised that something had to be done. Look at the companies that were destroyed due to the unions being too strong.The balance had to be adjusted, i have no pleasure seeing people going through hardship and the agony of unemployment, but that pain helped us regain some national pride and set the base for the following 20+ years of wealth. Margaret Thatcher had the balls to grasp the nettle, and if she had not, i dont think you would have had to worry about house prices. we were finished as a nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 You don't believe all that clap trap do you? I'm firmly behind Pontius Pilate. Jesus was a terrorist and was simply turned into a Martyr following the decline of the Roman Empire. As it's strength weakened Rome created a religion to maintain control. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Sorry Thorpie, you also asked for a quote from the Iron Lady. Here you go. "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." The problem with capitalism is that the banks eventually run out of their money, and the money entrusted to them by their customers, so they have to rely on governments to bail them out to the tune of 100s of billions. Then the c*nts start paying themselves big bonuses again. F*cking chinless arseholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuengirola Saint Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Was it maggie who introduced the right to buy scheme?? Actually Council houses were being sold under the previous Labour Government, but at least they continued to build them, that rancid witch Thatcher was very clever selling council houses. She knew if people had a mortgage they were much less likely to strike. There is nothing wrong with right to buy but you have to build at least the same amount of homes to replace the ones sold otherwise it distorts the market as we have seen in the last 30 years. I remember an episode of The Good Life i saw in which Gerry was complaining that he earned 8,000 a year and that his house was worth 25,000. I imagine someone in his position now would earn about 60-70,000 but the house would be worth near on 1,000,000, so instead of being 4 times his salary in the 70's it's now over 10 times, now that is the problem with the housing market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 So when the country was in a cash binge what did nu labour do to give social housing for all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 I agree that this helped push house prices up. That was going to happen anyway as demand outstripped supply. What is wrong in people wishing to get a better home environment? Surely the betterment pushes us on to work harder and so achieve. If we could move back to Britain at the time and experienced the state we were in and then it could be accepted it was 'the time and place'. We were on a downward spiral and the voters in the main realised that something had to be done. Look at the companies that were destroyed due to the unions being too strong.The balance had to be adjusted, i have no pleasure seeing people going through hardship and the agony of unemployment, but that pain helped us regain some national pride and set the base for the following 20+ years of wealth. Margaret Thatcher had the balls to grasp the nettle, and if she had not, i dont think you would have had to worry about house prices. we were finished as a nation. Trouble is, it might have helped those lucky enough at the time, but it didn't help anyone after. My first property was a third of the size of my parents house (which they bought under right to buy), but 4 times more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 16 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2010 so instead of being 4 times his salary in the 70's it's now over 10 times, now that is the problem with the housing market Immigration is the problem imo. We keep letting people in and supply and demand comes into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Your wish is my command Thorpie. I believe she is one of the greatest woman the world has ever known, maybe the greatest. She is certainly up there with Boudicea is this countrys history. And you requested a video Thorpie. I give you. greatest woman???? hahaha do me a favour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 My mum bought our council house in 1974 under a Labour government and traded up over the years managed to trade up over the years to move us from Weston through Bitterne to the giddy heights of Hill Lane. All Maggie did was to restrict Councils from using the sell off proceeds to build new houses to replace those sold. The worst problem for all social groups is Britain is overpriced poor quality housing caused by a lack of supply and minimum building standards found in most other developed countries. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 When my mum had the chance to buy our council flat.. She took it and has never looked back.. She lived there for about 15 years.. Sold it at an almighty profit about 6 years ago and now lives a better life than we/she thought was possible back in 1990 ish... No.. Whether enough housing was ordered is another debate an something all parties are guilty of not dealing with So you're all right, I know lots of people that it helped, as you say though, the Tories never replaced the stock and as with all governments they don't usually back track on such acts as it's too expensive. The Tories thought short term with the housing, lets sell off, privatise and don't worry about the people it screws up in 10/20/30 years time. Housing and basic services (water, electric, gas) should have never been privatised. The unions should have been reined in. Look at it now, Electricity De France (EDF) own a large chunk of the UK domestic market in the UK and are taking profits out of our economy; perversley EDF were still part owned by their government, short term thinking. Once you've sold the family jewels you'll never get them back and yes Brown did it with the gold reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 So when the country was in a cash binge what did nu labour do to give social housing for all? anyone..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 So you're all right, I know lots of people that it helped, as you say though, the Tories never replaced the stock and as with all governments they don't usually back track on such acts as it's too expensive. The Tories thought short term with the housing, lets sell off, privatise and don't worry about the people it screws up in 10/20/30 years time. Housing and basic services (water, electric, gas) should have never been privatised. The unions should have been reined in. Look at it now, Electricity De France (EDF) own a large chunk of the UK domestic market in the UK and are taking profits out of our economy; perversley EDF were still part owned by their government, short term thinking. Once you've sold the family jewels you'll never get them back and yes Brown did it with the gold reserves. Brown loved privatisation as much as Keith Joseph. Internal markets in the NHS? madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 So when the country was in a cash binge what did nu labour do to give social housing for all? Never going to happen was it, as I've said above. Once you sell the family jewels they're too expensive to replace. Just as Labour will not repeal the student fees rising to a max £9000 IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 So you're all right, I know lots of people that it helped, as you say though, the Tories never replaced the stock and as with all governments they don't usually back track on such acts as it's too expensive. The Tories thought short term with the housing, lets sell off, privatise and don't worry about the people it screws up in 10/20/30 years time. Housing and basic services (water, electric, gas) should have never been privatised. The unions should have been reined in. Look at it now, Electricity De France (EDF) own a large chunk of the UK domestic market in the UK and are taking profits out of our economy; perversley EDF were still part owned by their government, short term thinking. Once you've sold the family jewels you'll never get them back and yes Brown did it with the gold reserves. all I can comment on is from my own experiences and not talk on such broad and hysterical terms like some during the evil tory/maggie years...my family moved on from generations of social poverty (to a degree) and stood on their own feet.. they moved from millbrook towers, shirley warren and millbrook estate etc into (over the years) their own houses/home that they own that they can pass on to my cousins/me etc....and I in turn will do the same.. in one swoop..nearly the whole of my family moved away from social poverty, living in bed sits, tower blocks..the old womans refuge in st denys..... and went alone and have never looked back.... and this was a family that were staunch kinnock supporters and demo attendees... how anyone acn lay the blame of lack of housing at maggies door is stupid....ALL parties have ignored this issue by not building....not building enough and allowing mass immigration..which meant and mean supply severely outstrips demand...and that still is the case.. even in the cash binge of 1998-2008...how much was really done to address the housing issue once and for all...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Never going to happen was it, as I've said above. Once you sell the family jewels they're too expensive to replace. Just as Labour will not repeal the student fees rising to a max £9000 IMO. why was it not....did we have to give money hand over fist to immigrants.. did we have to give money hand over fist to the EU...did we have to give money hand over fist to benefit claimants..did we have to push so many people into uni and heavily subsidise it..? why could we have not run a course of mass social housing programmes...after all..we spent everything we had and the country was awash with cash and the 4th richest in the world at the time...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 anyone..? Made a bad situation worse. They created the house price boom with low interest rates and allowing lax mortgage criteria, then exacerbated it with high levels of immigration stoking demand whilst overseeing very low levels of new building. That was their greatest failing imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 She wasn't the greatest women ever, but we owe her a debt of gratitude for picking up the "sick man of Europe" and for sorting out Labour's mess in 1979. She was more in tune with the British people than all the Lefties put together, that's why Labour abolished clause 4 and only won elections when they moved to the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 How can one take seriously the opinions of people who do not know the difference between the words woman and women? Good grief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the colonel Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Pathetic. but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 16 December, 2010 Share Posted 16 December, 2010 Pathetic. I know. I mean with a little more planning there was no reason they couldn't have got her. http://isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 16 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2010 If I was a geek and had the first idea how to make a video i'd use this song. I've got it all planned out in my head. I'd mix in quotes. "The Lady is not for turning" "no no no" " "everyone wants to sit with the Tories" "The lady is not for turning" "To cure the British disease with socialism was like trying to cure leukaemia with leeches" "I know it was right to sink her and I would do the same again". With my imagination and geeks skills I know we could make one of the most watched youtube hits ever. [video=youtube;SaV-6qerkqI] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 coming from a family that included many coal miners and workers supporting that industry I can only hope she dies soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 As JimBob once said, don't grow old, don't get sick, if you do Mrs Thatch will rip your face off for a pound. We have demonstrated over the last two generations that neither far side of the political spectrum works. Let's not rewrite history and make out that Thatcher's conservative party was anything more than a remand centre. I haven't seen a PM in the last thirty years who did anything other than look after themselves first - the only one who hasn't lined his own pockets appears to be Brown who was presumably too overhwlemed by the job to wage war for personal PR, or indulge in 'unusual' business activity. Margaret who? Just another sad figure from ancient history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 Again.. People speak on such broad hysteric terms about her.. And speak on behalf of so Many In my posts above I cant deny that my family improved their lives in a quite a big way in her watch.. And they were staunch kinnock supporters!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 (edited) Again.. People speak on such broad hysteric terms about her.. And speak on behalf of so Many In my posts above I cant deny that my family improved their lives in a quite a big way in her watch.. And they were staunch kinnock supporters!!! This. I didnt like her, but the country was in such a ****ed, run down, uncompetitive position in 1979 we needed someone like her. She took a lot of very difficult and unpopular decisions which had been shied away from for too long by amiable, likeable, middle of the road consensus politicians Edited 18 December, 2010 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 As JimBob once said, don't grow old, don't get sick, if you do Mrs Thatch will rip your face off for a pound. We have demonstrated over the last two generations that neither far side of the political spectrum works. Let's not rewrite history and make out that Thatcher's conservative party was anything more than a remand centre. I haven't seen a PM in the last thirty years who did anything other than look after themselves first - the only one who hasn't lined his own pockets appears to be Brown who was presumably too overhwlemed by the job to wage war for personal PR, or indulge in 'unusual' business activity. Margaret who? Just another sad figure from ancient history. i think your spot on with that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbul Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 God is she not dead yet? I have had a certain Hefner track cued up and ready to roll.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 coming from a family that included many coal miners and workers supporting that industry I can only hope she dies soon. What a disgusting thing to say.. The labour party hero that is Blair makes maggie look like a puppy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 What a disgusting thing to say.. The labour party hero that is Blair makes maggie look like a puppy Blair was the puppy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 What a disgusting thing to say.. The labour party hero that is Blair makes maggie look like a puppy Did you think it was disgusting when the same thing was said about Branfoot? Just asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 What a disgusting thing to say.. The labour party hero that is Blair makes maggie look like a puppy Why? Many of us really do hope that she dies soon. You very bizarrely seem to think that loathing for Maggie excludes loathing for Blair and his illegal wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franny Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 Why? Many of us really do hope that she dies soon. You very bizarrely seem to think that loathing for Maggie excludes loathing for Blair and his illegal wars. I can undersatnd someone condemning her time as PM since she was divisive but hoping someone will die is very strong and to me demonstrates a lack of respect for human life. Who else in this world do you want to die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 What a disgusting thing to say.. Correct, why is it that fools like Benn and Foot, whose policies would have ruined the Country (luckily the British people had more sense), are treated like respected elder statesmen, when they were wrong about every major issue? She changed the Labour Party as well as the Country. Just think what would have happened had Foot won the election.It's ok people spouting their leftie anti Maggie stuff on here, but with tax rates of 33% & 85%, the unions holding the country to ransom and the Labour party committed to state ownership, someone needed to sort the mess out. Grocer Heath and the Tory wets weren't going to do it.We handed the Sick man of Europe title to someone else years ago, and that's not because of Heath , Foot, Kinnock or Benn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 Why? Many of us really do hope that she dies soon. You very bizarrely seem to think that loathing for Maggie excludes loathing for Blair and his illegal wars. Well tdd only loves her because she allowed his family to buy their council place in Millbrook, make money on it and immediately ditch their previous socialist principles, 'I'm alright Jack' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 Well tdd only loves her because she allowed his family to buy their council place in Millbrook, make money on it and immediately ditch their previous socialist principles, 'I'm alright Jack' isnt that why people hate her..because they themselves "were not alright" what is wrong with getting out of the social handout circle people/generations get themselves in like I said..so many people are so upset for poor students that may not get on the property ladder...yet a generation of people who would never had the chance to go to uni...and lived off of the social, lived in bed sits/womens refuge had the chance to get away from that..and get onto the ladder...that has had a knock on effect on me, my cousins etc etc... yet that is "im alright"...? should my family have said no and lived off of the state for years to come...would it had been better if my younger cousins grew up in millbrook towers or a 3 bedroom house in a nicer part of southampton...? does that mean they are now "tories till they die".. what a sad post yours was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 18 December, 2010 Share Posted 18 December, 2010 Street parties all around here when the mad bat shuffles off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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