Higher Taxes v Cuts To The Public Sector

[dune]

Give me cuts to the public sector any day of the week. Local councils have been building plush new offices with fitted carpets and the central heating on too high while tax payers have had to foot the bill to keep the delicate little creatures that doss about happy. It's about time they had their money cut and us taxpayers not forced to keep them employed in their comfortable non jobs. Even without Labours debt mountain i'd want to see public sector cuts and i'm really enjoying seeing them whinge. It's about time they were dragged kicking and screaming into the real world.

[buctootim]

Need to try harder. This bait has gone a bit stale

[dune]

Need to try harder. This bait has gone a bit stale

 

It's true though. They've squandered tax payers cash for years and now they are being forced to budget they don't like it.

 

Thankfully my council is Conservative run so they'll manage just fine.

[badgerx16]

Thankfully my council is Conservative run so they'll manage just fine.

Just like Devon County Council ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11997631

 

As posted on the Greedy Tories thread : "The council has calculated it is losing far more than the 2% originally presented by Communities Secretary Eric Pickles on Monday. It said it is looking at a 12% funding cut, meaning it will have £26m less to play with."

 

EDIT:

I know of another Tory council, local to me, who are similarly stating that Pickles is being 'economical with the truth' over his headline figures, and that their cut is nearly twice what was published on Monday, as the figures produced by the Dept for Communities miss out a lot of grants and opportunity funding, and fail to account for the impact of inflation given the Council Tax freeze that has been imposed.

Edited 15 December, 2010 by badgerx16

[dune]

Just like Devon County Council ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11997631

 

As posted on the Greedy Tories thread : "The council has calculated it is losing far more than the 2% originally presented by Communities Secretary Eric Pickles on Monday. It said it is looking at a 12% funding cut, meaning it will have £26m less to play with."

 

Good. It's about time councils were forced to deliver services on a budget. They've had it far too easy for far too long. I bet they're really gutted that they are going to have to get off their arses and do their jobs. I bet they're even more gutted they won't be able to pamper themselves quite so much though - it's so unreasonable to expect them to work in offices that aren't refurbished every 5 minutes.

[badgerx16]

Good. It's about time councils were forced to deliver services on a budget. They've had it far too easy for far too long. I bet they're really gutted that they are going to have to get off their arses and do their jobs. I bet they're even more gutted they won't be able to pamper themselves quite so much too.

You really are a DUNcE.

[Wade Garrett]

The Tory council in Southampton have employed a spin doctor on over £80k a year, and is expecting bin men and dinner ladies to take a 5% pay cut.

 

Labour don't have the monopoly on waste.

[dune]

You really are a DUNcE.

 

I saved my local council thousands by getting them to turn the heating down. This is just one example of savings that can be made. I am happy to report that in my local paper they are also set to shed jobs now. Right accross the public sector there are people in jobs that aren't needed - SACK THEM. Why the **** should I or anyone else pay taxes to keep people in jobs when they are not needed?

[dune]

The Tory council in Southampton have employed a spin doctor on over £80k a year, and is expecting bin men and dinner ladies to take a 5% pay cut.

 

That is a joke...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...why weren't they on the minimum wage in the first place?

[Wade Garrett]

That is a joke...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...why weren't they on the minimum wage in the first place?

 

C*nt.

[JustMike]

C*nt.

 

this.

[dune]

C*nt.

 

Yeah.

 

So how much per hour are they paying dustmen and dinner ladies?

[Dimond Geezer]

I saved my local council thousands by getting them to turn the heating down. This is just one example of savings that can be made. I am happy to report that in my local paper they are also set to shed jobs now. Right accross the public sector there are people in jobs that aren't needed - SACK THEM. Why the **** should I or anyone else pay taxes to keep people in jobs when they are not needed?

 

I know you're trolling, but you really are a pr1ck of the highest order.

 

You seem to be enjoying the fact that people (people with families, mortgages etc, not numbers on an accountants balance sheet) will be forced out of work. So your taxes won't be keeping them in jobs, instead they will be paying their benefits.

 

I really hope that one day you lose you job, then you will possibly realise what a spiteful little ***t you are.

 

I realise I've bitten, and feel ashamed that I've risen to your bait, but you really are a gobsh!te

[Colinjb]

Despite the crude way Dune is putting his argument accross, I do agree with the sentiments that the public sector does need to downscale in order to be more sustainable.

 

The private industrial sector I work in has been absolutely decimated over the past four years, I have seen friends and colleagues made redundant while the public sector has essentially been ringfenced. The audacity of some (not all) public sector workers complaining that they have not received a pay rise in these times has made my blood boil.

 

We've had a recession, belts have needed to be tightened. Now it's their turn. I will always feel sympathy for people losing their jobs but given the choice of making the cuts now to aid a sustainable future over proping up something that simply can no longer work..... Take the hit now and build yourself back up.

[dune]

I know you're trolling, but you really are a pr1ck of the highest order.

 

You seem to be enjoying the fact that people (people with families, mortgages etc, not numbers on an accountants balance sheet) will be forced out of work. So your taxes won't be keeping them in jobs, instead they will be paying their benefits.

 

I really hope that one day you lose you job, then you will possibly realise what a spiteful little ***t you are.

 

I realise I've bitten, and feel ashamed that I've risen to your bait, but you really are a gobsh!te

 

So as a taxpayer my money should go to keep people in non jobs.

 

This Socialist view is the reason why the public sector needs pruning back so hard now. It should never have been allowed to get like this.

[aintforever]

Make savings where possible but hit the highest earners with MASSIVE tax increases.

 

Too much greed in the world today

[AndyNorthernSaints]

dunce hates all public sector workers, council employees, council estate tenants, train drivers, students, firemen, paramedics, Labour voters, trade union members, muslims, foreigners, teachers, anyone on benefits,poor, single mothers, scottish, Irish, northerners, any protesters apart from EDL/BNP, basically anyone different to himself ie white racist daily mail reading hate filled individual. It must be sad living your life with so much hatred, bitterness and jealousy.

[mack rill]

I saved my local council thousands by getting them to turn the heating down. This is just one example of savings that can be made. I am happy to report that in my local paper they are also set to shed jobs now. Right accross the public sector there are people in jobs that aren't needed - SACK THEM. Why the **** should I or anyone else pay taxes to keep people in jobs when they are not needed?

 

Brilliant idea Dune, lets get em all on the doll we wont have to pay them quite so much Oh! that might be an Even bigger drain on the Taxes,

[Lord Duckhunter]

If higher taxes were the answer then we wouldn't have needed Thatcher's tories to sort out Grocer Heath's and the Labour Party's mess in 1979.

 

It's not a question of higher tax rate, it is the total tax take people should look at. Thatcher inherited tax rates of 33% for basic tax payers and 83% on higher rated tax payers.These were reduced significantly and yet tax take went up. Too much of our money is wasted and we still pay too much tax.

[Wilko]

I think a new law should be introduced to ensure that anybody commenting on taxpayers' cash must know where to put the apostrophe and how to spell taxpayers. These heinous grammatical errors make a mockery of the whole debate.

[LGTL]

I can't wait to join the Public Sector when I qualify next year. Good pension, great holiday, sick pay, great working conditions. Why would I want to work to make somebody else money? If you can''t beat them, join them.

[badgerx16]

I can't wait to join the Public Sector when I qualify next year. Good pension, great holiday, sick pay, great working conditions. Why would I want to work to make somebody else money? If you can''t beat them, join them.

You have a shock in store, trust me.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Some sweeping generalisations here. I do quite a bit of work with civil servants, they earn considerable less than their private sector equivalents (equivalent in terms of grade etc),

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I think we can all agree that there is a lot is waste.in the public sector. This has been proved year after year by independent bodies. To me, until all efficiencies have been reaped, there is no need to raise taxes.

 

Is this a more friendly way of putting it?

[Colinjb]

I think we can all agree that there is a lot is waste.in the public sector. This has been proved year after year by independent bodies. To me, until all efficiencies have been reaped, there is no need to raise taxes.

 

Is this a more friendly way of putting it?

 

Nonsense. May all those with an alternate viewpoint die horribly in some way.

[LGTL]

You have a shock in store, trust me.

 

It was ever so slightly tongue in cheek, although at least three will be correct in comparison to what I had in the Private Sector.

[dune]

 

And we all now know where Labour got the money from.

 

They taxed and they borrowed.

 

And now we are paying for it.

Edited 15 December, 2010 by dune

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

What a suprise, an anti public sector thread from our resident tit. Why not suprise us dune and start a "Thatcher is the greatest women the world has ever known" thread and put in some YouTube clips and quotes to argue your point.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

You have a shock in store, trust me.

 

Trust me, he doesn't. Well, he does about the pension, but we'll have to take it on the chin I suppose.

[thefunkygibbons]

Reality: If you want people to pay their taxes

 

Keep the rate low, and remove all the reliefs and special interest exemptions

[hamster]

Dune, I don;t think that it's necesarily a question of either or mate. This tarring everything public sector with the same brush is precisely why and how any changes may cause more damage, not to the economy at first but they may create a time bomb of deficit in services that society will not be able to ignore forever and ironically imo that may cost a whole lot more to fix. Who will pay then?

[rocknrollman no2]

I bet you will find that all of these mega rich billionaires who do not pay taxes to this country will offer donations to the Tory party,so dont expect the law to change soon.

[hamster]

I have what I consider a brilliant in it's simplicity idea for county council to save money on refuse collections. I suggested it but was told that there is no way that they could implement it due to pressure from companies who hold the contracts.

 

my idea:

When we have a Bank Holiday rather than pay additional money for them catching up with collections, simply move people's collection day forward accordingly. 8 x BH's per year and we'd save not far off 4% from the bill. My math's may be out a bit but I can't see a hole in the plan big enough to not even consider introducing it.

[dune]

I bet you will find that all of these mega rich billionaires who do not pay taxes to this country will offer donations to the Tory party,so dont expect the law to change soon.

 

And what about the Unions funding Labour and choosing the party leader?

[aintforever]

And what about the Unions funding Labour and choosing the party leader?

 

Them picking the wrong brother will do more for the future of the Conservative party than anything Dippy Dave does.

[solentstars]

I know you're trolling, but you really are a pr1ck of the highest order.

 

You seem to be enjoying the fact that people (people with families, mortgages etc, not numbers on an accountants balance sheet) will be forced out of work. So your taxes won't be keeping them in jobs, instead they will be paying their benefits.

 

I really hope that one day you lose you job, then you will possibly realise what a spiteful little ***t you are.

 

I realise I've bitten, and feel ashamed that I've risen to your bait, but you really are a gobsh!te

 

don,t feed the troll he needs some friends,hes the only guy who crys when scrooge becomes a broken man and thinks of the poor,.

[bridge too far]

June in 'not understanding how the Labour Party elects its leader' shocker

[rocknrollman no2]

And what about the Unions funding Labour and choosing the party leader?

 

But the unions pay their taxes,unlike those billionaires who dont.

[The Majestic Channon]

don,t feed the troll he needs some friends,hes the only guy who crys when scrooge becomes a broken man and thinks of the poor,.

 

Junestanleydunce the nazi is clearly a lonely and bitter geek who´s life is this forum , ignore the ignorant uneducated troll.

[dune]

June in 'not understanding how the Labour Party elects its leader' shocker

 

I was in a bar in Turkey (some Socialist scouse gits on the next table) watching SKY news as the results were read out.

 

David Winning.

 

David Winning.

 

David Winning.

 

Ed Won.

 

Funny as **** how your Unions have screwed your party up.

[solentstars]

Junestanleydunce the nazi is clearly a lonely and bitter geek who´s life is this forum , ignore the ignorant uneducated troll.

 

you got to laugh at him

[The Majestic Channon]

The ignore button is great

[pedg]

In answer to the original troll/question I chose option C, getting companies like BHS, Vodafone who spend fortunes on complicated schemes to avoid paying tax to be made to pay up. There should be a 'moral' test of some sort such that one can say 'yes your 15 shell companies and exporting your profits to Switzerland, even though you don't do much other business there, is legal but that doing so is morally wrong so pay up'. If all the companies who don't pay there share for the upkeep of the country by the use of dubious financial instruments were made to stop and pay their dues it would go a long way to balance the books without cutting services or raising taxes.

[Viking Warrior]

I will know in february whether I still have a job as that is when the annoucements will be made.

its not only the government cuts that public sectors bodies are having to make but add to the increase in NI and pension costs from next april the cuts in reality become twice as bad. oh and then theirs the increase in VAT . how many billions is this country in debt again or is it trillions?

[hamster]

If Daid Cameron is the answer, then I obviously didn't understand the question.

[badgerx16]

I was in a bar in Turkey (some Socialist scouse gits on the next table) watching SKY news as the results were read out.

 

David Winning.

 

David Winning.

 

David Winning.

 

Ed Won.

 

Funny as **** how your Unions have screwed your party up.

Conservative Party leadership election 2005:

 

first round ballot David Cameron wins support of 56 out of 198 MPs ( 28.3% )

second round DC wins support of 90 out of 198 MPs ( 45.4% )

party vote, DC wins 67.6% of the votes cast, so the MPs got the leaders they wanted !

[Wade Garrett]

I was in a bar in Turkey (some Socialist scouse gits on the next table) watching SKY news as the results were read out.

 

David Winning.

 

David Winning.

 

David Winning.

 

Ed Won.

 

Funny as **** how your Unions have screwed your party up.

 

Finally you say something I agree with. Some people getting more than 1 vote was plain wrong. LAbour elected the wrong leader and I suspect he'll never be able to win us an election. I voted for David and firmly believe he would be trouncing the ConDem rabble far more effectively than his brother.

[Thedelldays]

the current labour leader will never run this country....much like IDS would never had run this country..

 

i suspect the other brother will be PM one day

[GenevaSaint]

the current labour leader will never run this country....much like IDS would never had run this country..

i suspect the other brother will be PM one day

 

I fkn hope so, I'm very dissapointed with Ed so far.

[dune]

the current labour leader will never run this country....much like IDS would never had run this country..

 

i suspect the other brother will be PM one day

 

It's a shame about IDS because he is a proper Tory in the mould of Thatcher.