both managers' after match comments

[Thedelldays]

He does have previous in getting out of this league,promotion and iirc relegation,i might be wrong however.

 

relegation from league 1..?

[Ashby Saint]

Each to his own but I don't rate him at personally...Adkins that is, I think he's out of his depth already.

Good results when it's easy but hasn't got a clue about players. To me dropping the consistent Harding for the airy fairy Dickson is just incomprehensible.

 

He joined us from a reasonably successful side in the Championship. We are a "big club" only in our dreams and memories.

[Toadhall Saint]

"there was enough to get something from the game"

 

in a sense..he was right..they had two goals utterly gifted to them..cant really remember kelvin having a save to make after that..

 

where as, we hit the woodwork twice...had an utterly blatent penalty tured down and their keeper made two cracking saves and OxO missed a great chance..

still, we did play appallingly and still created a few chances..

ffs

 

This - I'd be more worried if we were not creating chances to be honest.

 

The (over) reaction to this one game beggars beleif to be honest. All of a sudden the Manager and team are being called into question by some on here. More than half a season to go and 5 points adrift of an auto promotion place. We had key players out and some that did play didn't perform.

[doddisalegend]

This - I'd be more worried if we were not creating chances to be honest.

 

The (over) reaction to this one game beggars beleif to be honest. All of a sudden the Manager and team are being called into question by some on here. More than half a season to go and 5 points adrift of an auto promotion place. We had key players out and some that did play didn't perform.

 

It's not just this game it's Carlisle away and Hudders away too. Times when the manager looks a little short of ideas and the players a little short of the of the kind of guts they need to get us promoted. Also the performances we've put have been putting in recently despite winning, have been pointing to the kind of shambles we saw on saturday. There's still time for Nigel to sort it out a couple of wins and things won't look so bad. However for us to be laying in 9th at this point in the season really isn't good enough.

[Thedelldays]

It's not just this game it's Carlisle away and Hudders away too. Times when the manager looks a little short of ideas and the players a little short of the of the kind of guts they need to get us promoted. Also the performances we've put have been putting in recently despite winning, have been pointing to the kind of shambles we saw on saturday. There's still time for Nigel to sort it out a couple of wins and things won't look so bad. However for us to be laying in 9th at this point in the season really isn't good enough.

 

christ on a bike....we lost a game

even the great pardew lost games.

the great away days at tranmere, gillingham...who forgot the thrillers at home to brizzle rovers and swindon..

hell, the managerial masterclass at home to oldham...

and that was WITH Lambert scoring for fun...the great waigo and antonio

 

yeah...ffs

Edited 14 December, 2010 by Thedelldays

[doddisalegend]

christ on a bike....we lost a game

 

This coming from the guy who got upset last season because Swindon were above us in the league? I must say I'm impressed by your complete turn around this season the new mellow go with the flow delldays eh.

[NickG]

It's not just this game it's Carlisle away and Hudders away too. Times when the manager looks a little short of ideas and the players a little short of the of the kind of guts they need to get us promoted. Also the performances we've put have been putting in recently despite winning, have been pointing to the kind of shambles we saw on saturday. There's still time for Nigel to sort it out a couple of wins and things won't look so bad. However for us to be laying in 9th at this point in the season really isn't good enough.

 

9th isn't good enough after 19 games - although 5 points, and with game in hand, behind 2nd.

 

But looks pretty good when we were 22nd after 6 games (only 13 games ago!) only off bottom on goal difference and already 8 points off 2nd.

[Thedelldays]

This coming from the guy who got upset last season because Swindon were above us in the league? I must say I'm impressed by your complete turn around this season the new mellow go with the flow delldays eh.

 

but what good did it do...bleating and fecking moaning all the time

maybe, lets just see where we end up..

if we dont at least make the playoffs..I will THEN disown adkins...but what good does it do when we are 5 points from 2nd with a shed load of games to play

[Toadhall Saint]

I think some on here need to live in the real world - Saints (or any team come to that) will not win every game they play - its a fact of (footballing) life I'm afraid. We were out done on Sat by a very industrious team that had the footballing gods on their side - we on the other hand couldn't convert our chances - end of really.

[Snopper]

Well, I guess that Saturday just wasn`t meant to be, so at the end of the day I think we should wake up, smell the coffee, draw a line under it and move on to be fair.

[Badger]

Well, I guess that Saturday just wasn`t meant to be, so at the end of the day I think we should wake up, smell the coffee, draw a line under it and move on to be fair.

 

I assume that is intentionally written in postmatch managerspeak. If not,could you not cram a couple more cliches in there ?

[jam]

9th isn't good enough after 19 games - although 5 points, and with game in hand, behind 2nd.

 

But looks pretty good when we were 22nd after 6 games (only 13 games ago!) only off bottom on goal difference and already 8 points off 2nd.

 

Absolutely, and that's the problem with judging on league position - If we'd got the job done on Saturday then we'd be fifth and the league would be getting seriously interesting. Look at Wednesday - they were nowhere a short while ago and are now second.

 

The reaction on here after a 60 minute horror show - not even a whole game - is pretty amazing...

[Barry the Badger]

Absolutely, and that's the problem with judging on league position - If we'd got the job done on Saturday then we'd be fifth and the league would be getting seriously interesting. Look at Wednesday - they were nowhere a short while ago and are now second.

 

The reaction on here after a 60 minute horror show - not even a whole game - is pretty amazing...

 

It is hard to judge though isn't it.

 

On the one hand, I agree with you that after the bad start we are doing ok overall and hopefully will close the gap.

 

On the other hand, I spent Christmas onwards last season saying exactly that and we never made it.

 

It feels very much like last season in that we have done the work to get away from the bottom of the table and up to a challenging position, but every time we get an opportunity to get closer we fail to take it.

 

There has to come a point at which you say "right, forget about the bad start, we've been up near the playoffs for long enough now, we should be making some headway into the top 2"

[Snopper]

I assume that is intentionally written in postmatch managerspeak. If not,could you not cram a couple more cliches in there ?

 

You assume correctly, for football has a language all of its own. I find it quite fascinating and whilst I agree that some of NA`s pronouncements may seem puzzling, closer analysis reveals that he is developing his own brand of footyspeak to go with his tendency to refer to himself in the third person. It might not be too long before we have an outburst of seagulls and trawlers.

[Window Cleaner]

You assume correctly, for football has a language all of its own. I find it quite fascinating and whilst I agree that some of NA`s pronouncements may seem puzzling, closer analysis reveals that he is developing his own brand of footyspeak to go with his tendency to refer to himself in the third person. It might not be too long before we have an outburst of seagulls and trawlers.

 

speaking of seagulls and trawlers, our hero Eric said the other day that everyone should go down to their bank and take out all their money so that the whole corrupt system would collapse. Don't think he had much success though.

[SaintRichmond]

In tonights Echo Brentford manager Andy Scott said "of our last 5 away wins that was probably the most comfortable - we could have scored a couple more. It was excellent team work, we created good chances. To come here and win is a fantastic achievement but we thoroughly deserved it".

 

I looked for something from NA to sum up the match but instead the Echo highlighted this pearl of wisdom

"I thought there was enough out there to try and get something from the game".

 

Can anyone translate this as I am not really sure what he is saying?

 

And then we have the Barnard situation. Has he had the op or not? Or are we still trying to confuse Walsall and not tell anyone? Are we allowed to know - have we the right? Hoping for clarity from tonight's Echo, NA says this about Barnard

 

"He's had 2 little things going wrong in the groin area. We were hoping to get one settled and the medical team have tried to do that and we've had to go down another pathway and it's frustrating".

 

I am sure it is Nigel but it is pretty frustrating for the fans not knowing what the hell you are talking about.

 

Whatever your views on Pardew one area he was good at was communicating with the fans - I am not so sure NA is.

 

Fans appreciate straight talking especially after a defeat.

 

I haven't lost faith in NA and obviously he needs time (if NC is prepared to give it) but Saturday was a bit of a jolt and when the chips are down a manager needs to say the right things. Not talk gobbly gook.

 

Quite simple really

 

Both his nuts have fallen off

[trousers]

I know it's out of context and not a full measure of our performance but I didn't go to the game and have just watched the extended highlight and, as far as I can tell, we had some decent chances and on another day would have come away with something from the game.

 

As I say, I don't doubt the overall performance wasn't good enough but when I then watched the Adkins post-match interview I could see what he was getting at.

[madruss]

It is hard to judge though isn't it.

 

On the one hand, I agree with you that after the bad start we are doing ok overall and hopefully will close the gap.

 

On the other hand, I spent Christmas onwards last season saying exactly that and we never made it.

 

It feels very much like last season in that we have done the work to get away from the bottom of the table and up to a challenging position, but every time we get an opportunity to get closer we fail to take it.

 

There has to come a point at which you say "right, forget about the bad start, we've been up near the playoffs for long enough now, we should be making some headway into the top 2"

 

The difference is though, this time last year, the gap to the top of the league was 26 points. This season it's 8 points at the same stage. A much easier gap to breach, you'll have to admit

[Badger]

You assume correctly, for football has a language all of its own. I find it quite fascinating and whilst I agree that some of NA`s pronouncements may seem puzzling, closer analysis reveals that he is developing his own brand of footyspeak to go with his tendency to refer to himself in the third person. It might not be too long before we have an outburst of seagulls and trawlers.

 

I think he only did that once to my knowledge before he arrived in our "building".

 

I'm not so sure he has developed his own brand so much as going on to an "auto mode" when interviewed.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Good job there weren't internet forums around in the 70's, I'm sure more than a few supporters would have said Lawrie was "out of his depth" and "not good enough" after a few months in charge.

 

Saturday wasn't good enough, but we haven't been good enough all season, we should have hit the ground running and that's down to Pardew not Adkins. This is his squad of players that are totally disinterested and had we been up the top when he left and Adkins had overseen the wheels coming off or had a run like Lawrie did when Ted stood down, then there then maybe some of the moaners would have a point.Basically the players have been underperforming under Pardew, Wilkins and Adkins so it's time we looked at them and stopped blaming the Manager all the time. What do people want, another change?

 

Pardew got the Newcastle job on the back of his friendship with Ashley and his cronies. My opinion is he that once we missed out on promotion last year he was looking for an out. Had NC not sacked him, then maybe we'd be looking for a new man now instead of 2 months ago.You have to allow a new manager to mould his own team before judgeing him, sign his own players before saying he's "out of his depth". And so what if he speaks a load of nonsense, personally I never really found WGS "jokes" that funny. Holloway gets away with it because he's doing well, at Leicester he got the nick name Hollohead because of the nonsense he spoke.It's all down to results, get them and your a charactor and funny, dont and you're a idiot who speaks nonsense.

[Chin Strain]

"of our last 5 away wins that was probably the most comfortable"

 

That statement would be on the wall of the dressing room wall every week, until the players had rammed it down my throat, by producing acceptable performances, if i was the man in charge.It was meant as a **** take and should be taken as such.

 

+1. I would expect that to be in the vicinity of the dressing room wall at Brentford away on 30tH April when we seal our promotion....

[PokingFun]

beg to differ for a defender he is light weight and powder puff, he started as a left midfielder and thats where he should play.

 

Interesting one as I thought he was one of the few to do alright on Saturday and for me the problems came through the middle and down our right. We missed Richardson and Fonte in a big way. Also, the loss of Barney and Chaplow has left us with a big problem as I don't think its a coincidence that our best form has been with those two in the side. That aside, it was still a couple of basic errors by players that should know better that caused us to lose a game against a team that have an exceptionally good away record.

[PokingFun]

Gordon Strachan was brilliant with his after match comments - these were the ones he made just after we lost to Arsenal away in one of his last matches. He was asked if his criticism of a linesman would get him into trouble - this is how he replied

“Have I said anything out of turn? If you call Tony Blair a liar about weapons of mass destruction then it’s quite easy for me to say that I have history with a linesman”. He then went on to complain how hard it was to gain access to match officials after the game.

“You can’t get near to officials, it’s easier to get to the Pope! If I’m in London next time and I get mugged, I hope the same amount of people turn up – there were 6 police officers, four stewards, and a United Nations peace observer”.

 

Now that is class - pure class. None of this "in the building" nonsense.

 

Yes, but for all strachan's quick quips and sense of fun, what has he ever really achieved. He has been found out himself as an average manager that tries to be clever in his interviews but in a different way and it has got him absolutely nowhere. Not quite sure his answer is overly clever or class in this situation. What exactly did it achieve in context of the result of that game or later games?

 

Are you suggesting that Adkins becomes flippant and sarcastic in his after match interviews? I'm not sure what the point of your post is here.

[PokingFun]

It's not just this game it's Carlisle away and Hudders away too. Times when the manager looks a little short of ideas and the players a little short of the of the kind of guts they need to get us promoted. Also the performances we've put have been putting in recently despite winning, have been pointing to the kind of shambles we saw on saturday. There's still time for Nigel to sort it out a couple of wins and things won't look so bad. However for us to be laying in 9th at this point in the season really isn't good enough.

 

Looking at what we had available on our bench Saturday I'm not surprised there was a lack of ideas in the change department. Maybe changing it could have actually made us worse in Adkins eyes given what was at his disposal. My only gripe is that Connolly maybe did not come on sooner but given hes hardly played this season I'm not totally surprised he was left until very late.

[doddisalegend]

Looking at what we had available on our bench Saturday I'm not surprised there was a lack of ideas in the change department. Maybe changing it could have actually made us worse in Adkins eyes given what was at his disposal. My only gripe is that Connolly maybe did not come on sooner but given hes hardly played this season I'm not totally surprised he was left until very late.

 

We were 2-0 down couldn't really get worse, yes our subs might not have been the ones Nigel wanted but trying to change something was better than doing nothing IMO. Just maybe Gobern and Doble and Martin would have grabbed their chance and played hard to impress Nigel (which the team on the pitch wasn't). If not we would have still lost anyway but nothing ventured nothing gained.

[PokingFun]

We were 2-0 down couldn't really get worse, yes our subs might not have been the ones Nigel wanted but trying to change something was better than doing nothing IMO. Just maybe Gobern and Doble and Martin would have grabbed their chance and played hard to impress Nigel (which the team on the pitch wasn't). If not we would have still lost anyway but nothing ventured nothing gained.

 

I am not really in disagreement just that I can see both sides of the coin on this one and dont think it means Adkins necessarily got it wrong.

[Barry the Badger]

The difference is though, this time last year, the gap to the top of the league was 26 points. This season it's 8 points at the same stage. A much easier gap to breach, you'll have to admit

 

But last season I was targetting the play offs, we got close by Christmas then failed to ever get any closer. That's what I'm referring to, last year we never quite seemed to get over the line into the play off places, it almost feels like this season is shaping up the same way with the auto places, every time we get close we seem to miss an opportunity.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Yes, but for all strachan's quick quips and sense of fun, what has he ever really achieved. He has been found out himself as an average manager that tries to be clever in his interviews but in a different way and it has got him absolutely nowhere. Not quite sure his answer is overly clever or class in this situation. What exactly did it achieve in context of the result of that game or later games?

 

Are you suggesting that Adkins becomes flippant and sarcastic in his after match interviews? I'm not sure what the point of your post is here.

 

 

My point was to have a debate on a FORUM? As for Strachan I agree, but you got to admit his comments were quite interesting and this one was way OTT.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Looking at what we had available on our bench Saturday I'm not surprised there was a lack of ideas in the change department. Maybe changing it could have actually made us worse in Adkins eyes given what was at his disposal. My only gripe is that Connolly maybe did not come on sooner but given hes hardly played this season I'm not totally surprised he was left until very late.

 

Again - if we are 2-0 nil and looking like we were getting nothing from the game why not throw on the youngsters if only to give them a bit of experience?

And don't forget we had nowt on the bench because for whatever reasons we have let a few go on loan to clubs in higher divisions. Puncheon is being missed. If he has misbehaved then ship him out but not BEFORE we have a replacement. Relying on the fitness of Holmes was poor judgement.

Oh and while I am at it is Barnard recovering from his hernia op or hasn't it happened?

[Window Cleaner]

Again - if we are 2-0 nil and looking like we were getting nothing from the game why not throw on the youngsters if only to give them a bit of experience?

And don't forget we had nowt on the bench because for whatever reasons we have let a few go on loan to clubs in higher divisions. Puncheon is being missed. If he has misbehaved then ship him out but not BEFORE we have a replacement. Relying on the fitness of Holmes was poor judgement.

Oh and while I am at it is Barnard recovering from his hernia op or hasn't it happened?

 

I entirely agree here, what is the point of having a "development squad" if you have no intention whatsoever of ever using it in a League game when you have nothing left to lose.Now NA likes to witter on about creating a pathway for this group of young players and yet when he has a chance he doesn't use it.It just smacks of him saying what the Chairman and I presume Mr Reed want to hear.At least Arry was honest about it, he wasn't impressed with the youth set up and said so.It's just hypocrisy to let us believe that we have all this "talent" in reserve. It might be added that some of these players have played in the Championship before on occasions,some of them are still scrubbing around in the development group at 19/20 yrs old whereas Morgan who is now seemingly the new whipping boy has played nigh on 80 or so first team games at 21

Edited 15 December, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[hypochondriac]

This coming from the guy who got upset last season because Swindon were above us in the league? I must say I'm impressed by your complete turn around this season the new mellow go with the flow delldays eh.

 

Anything to be the opposite of the accepted view.

[Pat from Poole]

My point was to have a debate on a FORUM? As for Strachan I agree, but you got to admit his comments were quite interesting and this one was way OTT.

 

I'm not into egg-chasing, but did you hear the interview given by the Saracens' guy on Saturday? Heard it on Talk Sport last night and it was very funny. Link as below:-

 

http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/694210.html