badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 really...obama and co are left wing....maybe for the US..but he would be very much right of the tories.. That's why June's crony, St George, refers to BO as a 'commie'.
aintforever Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 really...obama and co are left wing....maybe for the US..but he would be very much right of the tories.. Left wing for America though, and that's where they govern.
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 That's why June's crony, St George, refers to BO as a 'commie'. again..for a yank he is pretty left wing...but I thought we were talking about our line in the sand...and pretty much most american parties would be firmly to the right of tory majority
Colinjb Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 This website may come in use guys: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 This website may come in use guys: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008 Interesting the in the "Sweet Land of Liberty", to be a 'libertarian' is to be consigned to the political wilderness.
Pancake Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 You do know that you get child raping murderers in capitalist countries, don't you ? I never said you didnt. Could you answer the question I posed?
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 Can you help Becky and Bodger with the list? Why must you always resort to petulant playground taunts ? It hardly helps your credibility, or that of any argument you attempt to support. ( And in typical playground style, I know that I subsequently referred to you as 'June', but you started it ).
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 I never said you didnt. Could you answer the question I posed? Can you identify at birth which will be which ?
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 X Factor and Christianity can't be stopped, but it's still important to fight it. John Cage for XMAS #1
GenevaSaint Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 In all seriousness Cuba is going along quite nicely considering the lack of trade with the US.
dune Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 In all seriousness Cuba is going along quite nicely considering the lack of trade with the US. At last. We have a model that the Socialists aspire to replicate in Britain.
GenevaSaint Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 At last. We have a model that the Socialists aspire to replicate in Britain. Don't put words into my mouth, they're a reasonable socialist model and seem to be coping quite nicely without the US. I'm sure things would be better if the US left their bitter commie hating approach to life in the past where it should be; resigned to history. Look into their cancer survival rates, among the best in the world.
aintforever Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 According to Wikipedia, Norway has the highest standard of living and it is run by The Red-Green Coalition which is a centre-left coalition of Norwegian parties, formed by the Labour (Ap), the Socialist Left Party (SV), and the Centre Party. Another one to the left...
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 They won't say China. I will if you want me to ! China. A Socialist country so successful it is estimated by some to own about $1.7 TRILLION of the US national debt.
Special K Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 I will if you want me to ! China. A Socialist country so successful it is estimated by some to own about $1.7 TRILLION of the US national debt. Opportunist Capitalist bastards!!
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Author Posted 13 December, 2010 (edited) I will if you want me to ! China. A Socialist country so successful it is estimated by some to own about $1.7 TRILLION of the US national debt. I agree. This is a great example. Nearly as good as Cuba. China is known for its freedom of speech, great human rights records and open economic policies. Please, please, please can people stop suggesting that Socialism works. It doesn't. This has been proved many a time and it will stop the embarrassing turn this conversation has made. Edited 13 December, 2010 by Dibden Purlieu Saint
aintforever Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 According to Wikipedia again the country with the 2nd best standard of living is Australia who have a minority labor government. That's the first and second best countries with left wing governments, case closed I think.
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 I agree. This is a great example. Nearly as good as Cuba. China is known for its freedom of speech, great human rights records and open economic policies. Please, please, please can people stop suggesting that Socialism works. It doesn't. This has been proved many a time and it will stop the embarrassing turn this conversation has made. As a concept or an ideal it can work, and there is nothing wrong with aspiring to an ideal. Unfortunately, whilst the predominant controlling doctrine is the one that deems it necessary to aspire to the most expensive baubles, gewgaws, and trinkets; that to show off one's accrued bling is deemed 'celebrity'; and that success is measured in horsepower and gallons to the mile, it is fighting a losing battle. The multinational advertising juggernaut will pander to western materialism, and will inform third world populations that what they all need is an iPad and a Porsche Cayenne, and the rape of 90% of the globe to fatten the remaining 10% will continue.
GenevaSaint Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 I agree. This is a great example. Nearly as good as Cuba. China is known for its freedom of speech, great human rights records and open economic policies. Please, please, please can people stop suggesting that Socialism works. It doesn't. This has been proved many a time and it will stop the embarrassing turn this conversation has made. Come on then smart arse, what's wrong with Cuba? And no it's probably not ideal, but there again nor is the UK, Eire, Spain, Portugal, US.
dune Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 I will if you want me to ! China. A Socialist country so successful it is estimated by some to own about $1.7 TRILLION of the US national debt. So you'd have us all living in basic concrete tower blocks earning a pittance of a wage. When I talk about "us" I of course don't include party officials.
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 So you'd have us all living in basic concrete tower blocks earning a pittance of a wage. When I talk about "us" I of course don't include party officials. How many people in the western world live in "basic concrete tower blocks" and earn a "pittance of a wage". Can you please answer the question posed earlier - account for the poverty and deprivation in the most "successful" market economy on the planet.
dune Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 How many people in the western world live in "basic concrete tower blocks" and earn a "pittance of a wage". Can you please answer the question posed earlier - account for the poverty and deprivation in the most "successful" market economy on the planet. Idleness.
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 I assume someone has mentioned China from a GDP stand point? I'd also like to throw in Sweden: they're a democratic socialist country and they're successful...or is that not good enough for you love?
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 I assume someone has mentioned China from a GDP stand point? I'd also like to throw in Sweden: they're a democratic socialist country and they're successful...or is that not good enough for you love? china...yeah, they love human rights...hcking into western IT systems, ruling the far east...cozying with north korea.. yeah, china, the bastion of civilised living the only success they are is through making money....which is...not socialism
Johnny Bognor Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 china...yeah, they love human rights...hcking into western IT systems, ruling the far east...cozying with north korea.. yeah, china, the bastion of civilised living the only success they are is through making money....which is...not socialism Ah, but they know how to deal with protesting students, so it is not all bad
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 (edited) china...yeah, they love human rights...hcking into western IT systems, ruling the far east...cozying with north korea.. yeah, china, the bastion of civilised living the only success they are is through making money....which is...not socialism Again you absolute cretin, READ what I post. I posted from a GDP standpoint. They are by definition politically socialist, they make money and distribute it in little red envelopes. Your boyfriend didn't give me any specific criteria in which to base our judgements of 'success'. Idiot. Edited 13 December, 2010 by Thorpe-le-Saint
Johnny Bognor Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 Again you absolute cretin, READ what I post. I posted from a GDP standpoint. ****. GDP means **** all. They are by far the largest country in terms of population and so much of their total GDP is not down to politics, but sheer numbers. GDP per Capita is far more important and according to the IMF, China are 97th in the world. The largest in terms of GDP per capita is Luxembourg, which is predominently conservative.
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 GDP means **** all. They are by far the largest country in terms of population and so much of their total GDP is not down to politics, but sheer numbers. GDP per Capita is far more important and according to the IMF, China are 97th in the world. Again, dune didn't give me any criteria within in which to base my judgements, I'm only doing what he asked. Blame him, not me.
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 Again, dune didn't give me any criteria within in which to base my judgements, I'm only doing what he asked. Blame him, not me. do you think china obtained their wealth by socialist means..? probably not
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 do you think china obtained their wealth by socialist means..? probably not Maybe, but that's beside the point though isn't it? They ARE a socialist country, you cannot deny that. Dune asked for a 'successful' sociailist country. He didn't give any perameters, so I provided him with what he wanted.
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 Maybe, but that's beside the point though isn't it? They ARE a socialist country, you cannot deny that. Dune asked for a 'successful' sociailist country. He didn't give any perameters, so I provided him with what he wanted. are they...what is so "socialist" about them these days..? their great distribution of wealth...their brilliant basic human rights records....their excellent benefits and welfare system..???
Johnny Bognor Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 Maybe, but that's beside the point though isn't it? They ARE a socialist country, you cannot deny that. Dune asked for a 'successful' sociailist country. He didn't give any perameters, so I provided him with what he wanted. But what you provided was meaningless. Per Capita, China is poorer than 96 other countries. If you have 100 people earning £1 each, are they doing better than a country of 1 person earning £99?
docker-p Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 Proven fact that societies with the smallest discrepancy between the wealthiest and the poorest have the lowest levels of violent crime, property crime, drug abuse and mental ill health. And the highest levels contentment/ happiness amongst their population. Only way to achieve greater equality in Britain today is to pursue a socialist agenda that starts by taxing the banks and bankers properly and stop listening to the mindless dribblers who claim that this will drive the banks and their employees abroad.
dune Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 Proven fact that societies with the smallest discrepancy between the wealthiest and the poorest have the lowest levels of violent crime, property crime, drug abuse and mental ill health. And the highest levels contentment/ happiness amongst their population. Only way to achieve greater equality in Britain today is to pursue a socialist agenda that starts by taxing the banks and bankers properly and stop listening to the mindless dribblers who claim that this will drive the banks and their employees abroad. So you'd rather the rich were poorer and the poor were poorer so long as the gap was smaller. That is what Socialism achieves.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Author Posted 13 December, 2010 Maybe, but that's beside the point though isn't it? They ARE a socialist country, you cannot deny that. Dune asked for a 'successful' sociailist country. He didn't give any perameters, so I provided him with what he wanted. He said to use my parameters actually.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Author Posted 13 December, 2010 Proven fact that societies with the smallest discrepancy between the wealthiest and the poorest have the lowest levels of violent crime, property crime, drug abuse and mental ill health. And the highest levels contentment/ happiness amongst their population. Only way to achieve greater equality in Britain today is to pursue a socialist agenda that starts by taxing the banks and bankers properly and stop listening to the mindless dribblers who claim that this will drive the banks and their employees abroad. Yes, of course it is. Because if we were to increase the money for the 4 million benefits cheats in this country that will encourage them out to work. Why can't poorer people try and work their way out of poverty if they don't like it? There were jobs here until a joke of a Government allowed the Poles to take them all.
dune Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 But what you provided was meaningless. Per Capita, China is poorer than 96 other countries. If you have 100 people earning £1 each, are they doing better than a country of 1 person earning £99? And it all went quiet.
TheCholulaKid Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 Yes, of course it is. Because if we were to increase the money for the 4 million benefits cheats in this country that will encourage them out to work. Why can't poorer people try and work their way out of poverty if they don't like it? There were jobs here until a joke of a Government allowed the Poles to take them all. Funny. That's how your beloved capitalism works.
dune Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 lol@Councillor David Shakespeare's comments. Gold star for the first lefty to find "the" quote.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Author Posted 13 December, 2010 Funny. That's how your beloved capitalism works. Yes but only when the government doesn't have enough control over benefits to ensure these jobs are taken by the unemployed in our society.
eurosaint Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 I cannot believe that China is being hailed as a 'socialist' success story ! Of the 1.3 billion inhabitants (estimates vary buy a few hundred million!) at least one billion are living in relative poverty and the gap between the rich and poor is enornmous. The political 'elite' is far more powerful and influential than any form of aristocracy around the world (with the probable exception of the UAE!). If you don't believe me, read this : http://www.gov.cn/
TheCholulaKid Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 This might be old but brilliant nevertheless. Richard Littllejohn and the BNP both getting owned by a gay 'socialist' (that has to hurt).
dune Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 Yes but only when the government doesn't have enough control over benefits to ensure these jobs are taken by the unemployed in our society. You have hit the nail on the head. The bone idle benefits slobs never had it so good under Labour. At four per cent, the rate of incapacity benefit recipients among the UK population was found to be the highest by the OECD.
CB Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 Come on then smart arse, what's wrong with Cuba? And no it's probably not ideal, but there again nor is the UK, Eire, Spain, Portugal, US. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B910720101210 Try this
dune Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B910720101210 Try this Cuba would become insolvent as early as 2011 ha ha ha.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Author Posted 13 December, 2010 You have hit the nail on the head. The bone idle benefits slobs never had it so good under Labour. At four per cent, the rate of incapacity benefit recipients among the UK population was found to be the highest by the OECD. The words 'Labour' and 'Working Class' have never had such ironic undertones...
CB Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 China may hold itself out to be socialist, but the ruling elite run the country for the benefit of, well, the ruling elite. According to some of the arguments made on the other thread that makes them more like the tories. Go figure.
Johnny Bognor Posted 13 December, 2010 Posted 13 December, 2010 And it all went quiet. That's the problem I find with this forum. Being right all the time means that I can find no-one to argue with. Ho hum.
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