Are Tories just greedy people? Discuss

[Fuengirola Saint]

Are Tories just greedy or is there something else there that motivates them?

I can guarantee that if this government survives the five years there will be big tax cuts just before the next election because this is the reason they have cut so hard and deep now. When Georgie Porgy offers the tax cuts there will be people saying "**** the unemployed i'm voting for a 2% income tax cut" like they did in the 80's.

[Weston Super Saint]

I'd vote for a 2% tax cut.

 

But then I guess in order to appreciate a 2% income tax cut, you'd need to have a job. I guess that the working people of the country would far outnumber the unemployed whenever a general election is called.

 

What was your point?

[scotty]

If this government survives five years it will be in coalition with the liberal democrats. I'm no fan of the tories but I think its a little over-cynical to read that scenario into the current round of cuts. i also think it highly unlikely that they will cut income tax rates in this parliament.

[Lighthouse]

I'm no Tory, but who are people going to vote for instead? Labour after they bankrupt our country and with Milliband in charge? The Lib Dems who promise voters gold dust and magic beans, then bail out on their promises with the coalition govt?

[Jonnyboy]

Are Tories just greedy or is there something else there that motivates them?

I can guarantee that if this government survives the five years there will be big tax cuts just before the next election because this is the reason they have cut so hard and deep now. When Georgie Porgy offers the tax cuts there will be people saying "**** the unemployed i'm voting for a 2% income tax cut" like they did in the 80's.

 

spot on, just before the election we will conveiently be able to afford a tax cut despite the recession, students, universtites and other public sectors will be the source and the tories will get a lot of extra votes and cash in their banks

 

They are greedy but more importantly they think they are genetically superior

[Dr Who?]

Yes

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

Not greedy necessarily, just selfish. And disdainful and dismissive of the poor and needy. "Money" by Pink Floyd should be the Tory party anthem.

[Thedelldays]

Yeah.. Greedy *****s.. They are now like all the other political parties..

[LGTL]

A true Tory would never do anything for anyone else, their number one priority is themselves. Nothing wrong with that some would say.

 

Make no mistake though that if they could have it their way, they'd still have children up a chimney.

[BadgerBadger]

lol at the polarised views

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Of course they are, their political ideology revolves around the individual.

[Thedelldays]

Lol

 

This is just the Tory party...

Not the russian government or the Nazi party.. Or Mugabe's lot

Or the ruling faction in burma

 

Its just, the Tory party

 

Lol

[PES]

The Tories just look out for themsleves and their old school mates. If you support them and you're one of them then fine, you're a selfish sod, but you are looking after your own interests which is understandable, if your not and still vote for them your either an imbecile or a boot licker.

[Fuengirola Saint]

Lol

 

This is just the Tory party...

Not the russian government or the Nazi party.. Or Mugabe's lot

Or the ruling faction in burma

 

Its just, the Tory party

 

Lol

 

I wasn't talking about the Conservative government, thats obvious, i was talking about people who vote Tory, i wasn't trying to be offensive either, just trying to se what makes em tick.

[hypochondriac]

Some people have massive chips on their shoulder. I voted for the tories this year because they were the best and most realistic option available. Some people will refuse to vote for the Tories because of history and because some of them consider them 'evil.' I consider that close minded.

[aintforever]

I think alot of people vote tory because of what they say they stand for instead of what they actually stand for so I wouldn't say all tory voters are necessarily greedy but greed is a big part of what the Conservative Party is about.

[Deppo]

Lol

 

This is just the Tory party...

Not the russian government or the Nazi party.. Or Mugabe's lot

Or the ruling faction in burma

 

Its just, the Tory party

 

Lol

 

Lol! Rofl! ROFLMAO!

[benjii]

Are Tories just greedy or is there something else there that motivates them?

I can guarantee that if this government survives the five years there will be big tax cuts just before the next election because this is the reason they have cut so hard and deep now. When Georgie Porgy offers the tax cuts there will be people saying "**** the unemployed i'm voting for a 2% income tax cut" like they did in the 80's.

 

Dear, oh dear.

 

 

The entire premise of this thread is what, that you generalise about a group of many millions of people? Or hundreds of thousands? Or just the parliamentary party? Depends what you mean by "Tories", I guess but if you need it pointed out to you that making crude generalisations is facile, immature and the action of a sad, bitter, political pigmy then I, for one, care not what you mean.

Edited 12 December, 2010 by benjii

[Viking Warrior]

Well labour are equally selfish and greedy.

hence the reason this country's finances are in a mess

[Sour Mash]

How do you define "greedy"?

[Thedelldays]

Dear, oh dear.

 

 

The entire premise of this thread is what, that you generalise about a group of many millions of people? Or hundreds of thousands? Or just the parliamentary party? Depends what you mean by "Tories", I guess but if you need it pointed out to you that making crude generalisations is facile, immature and the action of a sad, bitter, political pigmy then I, for one, care not what you mean.

 

Imagine saying to the OP that all Muslims are terrorists.. Would he welcome such sweeping generalisations then??

[dune]

Not greedy necessarily, just selfish. And disdainful and dismissive of the poor and needy. "Money" by Pink Floyd should be the Tory party anthem.

 

Unbelieveable.

[Jonnyboy]

Well labour are equally selfish and greedy.

hence the reason this country's finances are in a mess

 

Wow, 10/10 what a political essay, you are a genius! Give the man a scholarship.

This country could use people like you at Oxford.

Please apply! You could be on the fast track to the top

[dune]

Wow, 10/10 what a political essay, you are a genius! Give the man a scholarship.

This country could use people like you at Oxford.

Please apply! You could be on the fast track to the top

 

How old are you?

 

I put you in the same age range as SuperMikey and as such a bit naive to the real world.

[Faz]

I'd say a union leader paying himself £100kpa is greedy. And he still gets paid it no matter how many people he persuades to go on strike.

 

Actually, I've just realised it far too low. If they made the Union Leader's pay the same as a FTSE CEO, it would attract more than the usual meat-heads, and we would stand half a chance of avoiding the petty squabbles we currently see. A couple of old Etonians in the Union hot seat and most issues would be sorted down the club.

[norwaysaint]

All tories are greedy self serving and evil public schoolboy tossers.

 

All Labour voters are socialist tree hugging vegetarian trade unionists.

 

All libdem voters are namby pamby and wishy washy.

 

All members of other parties are loony extremists.

 

All non-voters are lazy layabouts who deserve nothing.

[Wade Garrett]

Well labour are equally selfish and greedy.

hence the reason this country's finances are in a mess

 

Yes, it wasn't the selfish bankers who nearly bankrupted our country, it was the government. Brilliant.

 

In reply to the original post, the cuts aren't really all that deep. Of course there will be election incentives, all governments maximise their chances in this way if they can.

 

The tripling of tuition fees is grossly unfair though, but will haunt Clegg and the Liberals more because of their hollow promises.

 

It's a shame Labour chose the wrong Milliband. He hasn't exactly hit the ground running has he.

[aintforever]

I think all humans are essentially greedy and selfish. Even the most left wing among us are happy to moan about lack of this and that whilst people die of hunger in another continent.

[sadoldgit]

The trouble with our electoral system is that encourages Governements to start of mean so that they can "buy" votes with sweetners 4 or 5 years down the line. Not ideal for building a stable economy.

[Deppo]

Cyril Smith was a Liberal and he was quite greedy.

[Jonnyboy]

How old are you?

 

I put you in the same age range as SuperMikey and as such a bit naive to the real world.

 

Id put you at about 130 years old. Victorian and outdated. Your time has passed. Give up.

[Colinjb]

I am a Tory.

 

I would counter this thread with another question.

 

Are all Labour supporters/members wasteful?

[Colinjb]

I think all humans are essentially greedy and selfish. Even the most left wing among us are happy to moan about lack of this and that whilst people die of hunger in another continent.

 

Bang on.

[Deppo]

I am a Tory.

 

I would counter this thread with another question.

 

Are all Labour supporters/members wasteful?

 

I'll answer that. No, you greedy ****.

[docker-p]

Are Tories just greedy people? Discuss

Yes. No need to discuss.

[Thedelldays]

socialists are greedy...

 

how selfish are they thinking about their own pockets when it comes to tuition fees..rather than thinking how the new system will allow those who cant afford any fees upfront the chance to further education

 

 

selfish ****s

[hypochondriac]

Big difference between selfishness and realism.

[Verbal]

Cyril Smith was a Liberal and he was quite greedy.

 

But he's outweighed by Tory fatbastards like Eric Pickles and Nicholas Soames (about whom his wife said sex was like being hit by a falling wardrobe with the key still in it.)

[tony13579]

I don't actually think that greed is labours vice. Labours vice is ego. The believe that they know better than all of us. A few more rules will cure it. The blind belief that they can save the planet, cure the middle east, that demolishing and rebuilding schools will make the teachers and pupils perfect. That sending 50% of students to university will make them all intelligent.

 

The Tories don't care about the lower and middle classes as long as they can support the toffs. There are a clears subset of greedy Tories who believe they are so privileged that they don't have to follow rules and can avoid taxes.

 

Our country is full of fools who believe they are a higher class than they are and vote believing they will Prosper under Tories.

 

Truth is labour blew £70,000 per head and we are all skint. I don't know how we will recover. I don't know how we can afford all these green gestures, we need to sort out out manufacturing industry, stop buying foreign goods and holidays. I doubt we can sell our banking services any more.

[rocknrollman no2]

Once most MPs reach the giddy heights of parliment,then they all become greedy,no matter what party they represent,with the exception of maybe one or two.

Just take a look at the expenses scandal.

They are all money grabbing.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

If you had two islands, one full of socialists and one full of tories, the tory island would be an engine of innovation and wealth creation. The socialist island would be full of people who finish work at five to five, have six weeks holiday and claimed sick time as a right. The Tory Island would be affluent with no debt and the socialist island would be hiring the police from the Tory Island to deal with the demonstrations from people who expect something for nothing. The Tory Island would have an immigration problem, the socialist island would be refusing to let people leave and arresting those that tried. They would restrict the media reporting on the Tory Island and arrest anybody who talked of the other way.

[Deppo]

I agree with hypochondriac that Tories are selfish.

[Scudamore]

Are gays greedy?

[Wilko]

socialists are greedy...

 

how selfish are they thinking about their own pockets when it comes to tuition fees..rather than thinking how the new system will allow those who cant afford any fees upfront the chance to further education

 

This statement displays such a fundamental understanding of socialism and the anti-fees protests that it would clearly not even be worth trying to start a debate with you.

 

Further, I think many people on here don't really understand socialism as well as conservativism.

 

To bring up one example: Working 8am-6pm does not make you a Tory, while knocking off at 4.55 does not make you a socialist.

 

Voting Labour doesn't mean you believe in Government waste, it means you think the Government should take a greater role in people's lives.

 

Voting Tory doesn't mean you disregard the needy, it means you probably think the needy are better served by a system that places a greater emphasis on enterprise to create work for all.

 

Shades of grey.

[Verbal]

If you had two islands, one full of socialists and one full of tories, the tory island would be an engine of innovation and wealth creation. The socialist island would be full of people who finish work at five to five, have six weeks holiday and claimed sick time as a right. The Tory Island would be affluent with no debt and the socialist island would be hiring the police from the Tory Island to deal with the demonstrations from people who expect something for nothing. The Tory Island would have an immigration problem, the socialist island would be refusing to let people leave and arresting those that tried. They would restrict the media reporting on the Tory Island and arrest anybody who talked of the other way.

 

The only Tory island I've seen recently had a state-funded moat around it.

[Wilko]

This statement displays such a fundamental understanding of socialism and the anti-fees protests that it would clearly not even be worth trying to start a debate with you.

 

Further, I think many people on here don't really understand socialism as well as conservativism.

 

To bring up one example: Working 8am-6pm does not make you a Tory, while knocking off at 4.55 does not make you a socialist.

 

Voting Labour doesn't mean you believe in Government waste, it means you think the Government should take a greater role in people's lives.

 

Voting Tory doesn't mean you disregard the needy, it means you probably think the needy are better served by a system that places a greater emphasis on enterprise to create work for all.

 

Shades of grey.

 

Should have typed 'misunderstanding'.

[Viking Warrior]

Highly educated response Johnyboy

 

Wow, 10/10 what a political essay, you are a genius! Give the man a scholarship.

This country could use people like you at Oxford.

Please apply! You could be on the fast track to the top

 

I could have wriiten a thesis on labours greed etc as I equally could for the tories. There will be good MPS on all sides of the fence

but then no doubt you believe that labour only take small salaries and do not submit expense claims etc, thats only for the tories

Trying living in scotland with the SNP , They have gone for a one year fiscal policy , why because there are elections next year and do not want to ruin their chances of being re-elected.

 

The country is in a financial and a social mess. many reasons for this Politics, bankers and even the need to keep changing the way we teach our children one system after another

Ps I have a degree and also a Masters in Employment law and industral relations , Oxford is a bit fluffy and snobbish for my likeing but thanks for the recommendations. wheres me application form for the scholarship,

[Deppo]

Are gays greedy?

 

I am.

[trousers]

It's just a planet FFS

[Scudamore]

I am.

 

Do all old people smell of **** and biscuits? Or is that a sweeping generalisation?