Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 Good on them, the Echo just "steal" stories all the time now from the nationals/BBC/Saints OS, but odd to see the BBC air their grievances in public. BBC Radio Solent Twitter... solentsport BBCSolentSport #saintsfc - nice to see soton echo online following solentsport twitter (again) with Holmes injury ...Pardew to follow shortly i imagine 26 minutes ago solentsport BBCSolentSport We could write anything on here and the Daily Echos would probably print it! #saintsfc 24 minutes ago
stevegrant Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 Your obsession with the Echo is rather weird.
Charlie Wayman Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 What is your point? Pots & Kettles if you ask me. The BBC are no friends of ours whereas The Echo is so I know where my money's going. About time people stopped bashing the free press Echo, the BBC appear far from independent on most issues.
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2010 Author Posted 9 December, 2010 I'd just like a local paper that provided good coverage of the local team. The Echo falls short in a number of areas. The continuing practice of "stealing" stories from other outlets is poor journalism. It would be okay perhaps if they had exclusives of their own, but pretty much every Saints story in the paper is lifted from elsewhere(normally the OS/Saints player). Positive stories like that of the Cortese interview are lifted only in small detail and a negative spin is put on it such as the comment about the BBC having a deal with the club.
niceandfriendly Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 What is your point? Pots & Kettles if you ask me. The BBC are no friends of ours whereas The Echo is so I know where my money's going. About time people stopped bashing the free press Echo, the BBC appear far from independent on most issues. I think it's more a case of bashing poor journalism. Getting all your stories from twitter or the BBC sport website is terribly lazy. Even I could do that, and I didn't spend 3 years at Uni learning about the bloody profession.
hypochondriac Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 Just trying to pick a fight when there is no issue.
MINIBARCELONASAINT Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 I did work experience for the Echo, and got two stories published. I did my "research" here.
docker-p Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 I think the Echo does a good job, and i buy it regularly.
stevegrant Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 I did work experience for the Echo, and got two stories published. I did my "research" here. Which articles were they?
hypochondriac Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 I did work experience for the Echo, and got two stories published. I did my "research" here. Delightful way to treat someone kind enough to give you work experience.
Dazza82 Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 The BBC are no friends of ours whereas The Echo is Dont agree with that, neither of them are our friends really
Deppo Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 Your obsession with the Echo is rather weird. Your obsession with defending the Echo would be weird if we didn't know about your bromance with Dan Kerins.
The9 Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 *I'm Dan Kerins!* Your obsession with defending the Echo would be weird if we didn't know about your bromance with Dan Kerins. Oh, hang about, maybe not. Not sure what's wrong with the Echo printing information from other sources than their own, we'd be the first to complain if the local paper ignored Saints news stories that everyone else was reporting - you'd end up with the kind of ultimately authoritative-but-limited junk that the OS publishes. The Echo are entitled to print stuff they've looked up themselves as well as widely available information - the second it's published it's fair game anyway. As for the work experience - and are you a journalist now ? Thought not.
Frank's cousin Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 Uhm... thing is the Echo like most local rags need copy that goes beyond ' old lady sues Tesco for potato that looks like her late husbands p***s'' and they knwo that the club stories are big sellers... but like most these days they dont ever seem to think first and play the long game. I am sure the club would love to be able to trust them and provide them with exclusives and the big stories first, but time and again they print stuff either after they have been asked to hold on for a few hours, or pander to the the club bashing by the old guard... seriously, as any press they will print anything irrespective of hether its harmful to the club or not.... instead of clearing the air and developing a strong and robust relationship with the club... I know many on here equate Good Public relations practice with spin... a sad legacy of a classic daily Mailesque campaign to get 'spin' engrained in any PR/press release by the last Government, in which they seem to have succeeded. BUt bad stories sell more papers than good ones, so its no surprise that the Echo is keen to print negative ****e, that although in the grand scheme of things is forgotten tomorrow, nonetheless can damage the club, as typically like all media they chose their moments to coincide with sensitive commercial negotiations... that is their free press right, but if they chose to exceecise that right in the way they do, then it cant be classed as a supporter of the club.
dubai_phil Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 The Echo is a wonderful publication. It published my letter about Portaloo without cutting a word and put a nice big box around it. I truly believe they are wise and intelligent mega beings. After all, they must have READ my letter before they published it. Which makes them STILL the only people to have ever read anything I have typed. (And it also did work as JP was resigned the next day which remains my other footballing claim to fame)
Fowllyd Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 Uhm... thing is the Echo like most local rags need copy that goes beyond ' old lady sues Tesco for potato that looks like her late husbands p***s'' and they knwo that the club stories are big sellers... Damn, I missed that story - can you post a link to it?
aintforever Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 I don't see anything wrong with the Echo getting stories off the BBC as their taxes, like ours, pay for it.
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2010 Author Posted 9 December, 2010 I don't see anything wrong with the Echo getting stories off the BBC as their taxes, like ours, pay for it. Taxes don't goto the BBC.
doddisalegend Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 Taxes don't goto the BBC. whats a TV licence if it isn't a tax?
Rory Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 I'd just like a local paper that provided good coverage of the local team. The Echo falls short in a number of areas. The continuing practice of "stealing" stories from other outlets is poor journalism. It would be okay perhaps if they had exclusives of their own, but pretty much every Saints story in the paper is lifted from elsewhere(normally the OS/Saints player). Positive stories like that of the Cortese interview are lifted only in small detail and a negative spin is put on it such as the comment about the BBC having a deal with the club. lol
aintforever Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 Taxes don't goto the BBC. Licence/tax no difference.
Nexstar Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 The Echo is a useless newspaper that prints stories a day after they were printed elsewhere. Simple
hypochondriac Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 The Echo is a useless newspaper that prints stories a day after they were printed elsewhere. Simple It's not exactly harming you then if that's your opinion so I wouldn't worry about it.
CB Fry Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 Good on them, the Echo just "steal" stories all the time now from the nationals/BBC/Saints OS, but odd to see the BBC air their grievances in public. BBC Radio Solent Twitter... Did you have a little trouser moment when you read those tweets? Stick to the computer games, because media analysis is well beyond you.
Junction 9 Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 Cancelled my delivery about 6 months ago and haven't missed it one little bit. Terrible local paper.
Weston Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 So the Echo is echoing other media news. That is what an echo is.........that is what an echo does
Nexstar Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 It's not exactly harming you then if that's your opinion so I wouldn't worry about it. I don't think it's harming anyone and i'm not worried. Thanks for the concern though.
doddisalegend Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 well I enjoy reading the pink on a sunday morning with my coffee and a bacon sarnie, at least it's saints related. Beats reading a two line match report in one of the national papers.
astrasri Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 I suggest reading the Sunday Mirror and the NoW- they have been running 1/2 page reports on our games since we settled the pictures issue.
saintrich Posted 9 December, 2010 Posted 9 December, 2010 Best reports are in the football league paper.
saintedwill Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 I don't see anything wrong with the Echo getting stories off the BBC as their taxes, like ours, pay for it. and channel 4
hypochondriac Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 I don't think it's harming anyone and i'm not worried. Thanks for the concern though. Clearly irritates the original poster so much that he has to comment on the evils of the Echo every other week.
georgeweahscousin Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 I'm not a fan of the Echo or the BBC. Why am I in here?
JustMike Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 the echo, to be fair, is a pile of crap but people still rely on it for their news / sport etc, especially those that are scared on technology
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 I'd just like a local paper that provided good coverage of the local team. The Echo falls short in a number of areas. The continuing practice of "stealing" stories from other outlets is poor journalism. It would be okay perhaps if they had exclusives of their own, but pretty much every Saints story in the paper is lifted from elsewhere(normally the OS/Saints player). Positive stories like that of the Cortese interview are lifted only in small detail and a negative spin is put on it such as the comment about the BBC having a deal with the club. Hardly anyone buys the paper anymore. They've sacked a hell of a lot of workers over the last few years. To survive they are cutting costs to the bone. They have to pick up stories from wherever they can. Papers have always picked up news from other news media, that's nothing new. The Echo now just rewrites it (slightly) rather than adding anything of their own to it.
stevegrant Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 Hardly anyone buys the paper anymore. They've sacked a hell of a lot of workers over the last few years. To survive they are cutting costs to the bone. Which is rather odd considering Newsquest made a profit of somewhere in the region of £80m last year. Tough times indeed.
moon monkey Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 The echo still makes enough money to keep the gym they have
Michelle Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 So the Echo is echoing other media news. That is what an echo is.........that is what an echo does I like this theory.
Saint_Jonny Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 I'd just like a local paper that provided good coverage of the local team. The Echo falls short in a number of areas. The continuing practice of "stealing" stories from other outlets is poor journalism. It would be okay perhaps if they had exclusives of their own, but pretty much every Saints story in the paper is lifted from elsewhere(normally the OS/Saints player). Positive stories like that of the Cortese interview are lifted only in small detail and a negative spin is put on it such as the comment about the BBC having a deal with the club. My grandad buys the echo everyday, he doesnt use the interent, or watch much tv. He doesnt give a flying **** where the echo get the storys from, as long as he knows whats going on with his football club, who gives a ****. I'm sure there are many (not like us interent trolls) that rely on the echo in a similar way. Give it up you cretin.
NickG Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 Newsquest recorded a fall in profits of more than 50 per cent during the third quarter of the year. Newsquest, which owns more than 200 newspapers including the Glasgow Herald and Brighton Argus, recorded a fall in overall advertising revenue of 28.7 per cent year on year during the period. Retail advertising fell by 19 per cent at Newsquest while national advertising fell by 10.4 per cent. Classified advertising across its regional newspapers was worst hit, falling by 34.7 per cent during the period as property, motoring and jobs advertising suffered large declines. Revenue from property advertising dropped 30.6 per cent year-on-year. Motoring was down 37.4 per cent and employment down by 48.8 per cent at Newsquest.
Saint_John Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 Which is rather odd considering Newsquest made a profit of somewhere in the region of £80m last year. Tough times indeed. That is a surprise because this report dated August says all Regional papers bar one are losing circulation. http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=45899 It is one of the few tables where the Cheats FC are above us, 45,175 (News) against 34,550 (Echo). I think everyone accepts that we have a larger fan base than the Cheats FC therefore imo it might be something to do with the fact that they write POSITIVE articles about their team rather than the rubbish that the Echo prints (I've counted at least 6 articles in the last few weeks where they have been "trying" to sell Adam in January, to Stoke,Wolves,Toon etc.). Whenever NC talks of "dark forces" I always think of the Echo.
Chez Posted 10 December, 2010 Posted 10 December, 2010 (I've counted at least 6 articles in the last few weeks where they have been "trying" to sell Adam in January, to Stoke,Wolves,Toon etc.). Whenever NC talks of "dark forces" I always think of the Echo. when we sgn him on a five year deal the speculation will go away and indeed the Echo will report on this good news. Personally I want the local paper to reveal warts andf all about the club, not just print the clubs PR for it. The only time I would get upset if if they should print lies.
theyin Posted 12 December, 2010 Posted 12 December, 2010 My grandad buys the echo everyday, he doesnt use the interent, or watch much tv. He doesnt give a flying **** where the echo get the storys from, as long as he knows whats going on with his football club, who gives a ****. I'm sure there are many (not like us interent trolls) that rely on the echo in a similar way. Give it up you cretin. This exactly. Also, The inet has a lot to answer for in its generating of expectations of a continual stream of news. Sometimes there just isn't any.
Crazy Diamond Posted 12 December, 2010 Posted 12 December, 2010 As a journalist I'd like to add my two cents worth... The Echo's sports department smacks of lazy journalism, the type which gives all of us in the trade a bad name. I'm not a fan. The people there are paid to come up with original news stories, which isn't an easy task, but they could at least try or failing that, look like they're trying. The fact is however, papers of the quality and size of the Echo will always be the first point of call for someone like myself for when they graduate from a journalism course. Papers like the Echo are the first run on the ladder and once you've served a bit of time there, the hope is that bigger and better things are around the corner. I once asked if they actually got any original stories via their own means and didn't just rip off this forum - they were annoyed, but didn't deny it...!
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