Dinner with Nicola Cortese

[sadoldgit]

I think that bit shows he was genuine when backing Pardew at that time

 

But then why all of the specualtion about Pardew's future which turned out to be on the money Nick?

[Smirking_Saint]

But then why all of the specualtion about Pardew's future which turned out to be on the money Nick?

 

If he really wanted to sack him why do so at what was a really damaging time ? It makes no sense if planned

[sadoldgit]

If he really wanted to sack him why do so at what was a really damaging time ? It makes no sense if planned

 

I don't get it at all. All we really know is that they had not seen eye to eye for sometime.

[STEVEADAMS]

Great report and thanks. Great point about the fanbase as we have been throught it the last few years but i do believe we are on our way. Nicola deserves more credit than he has received lately in my opinion.

[countysaint]

All of the below was from an email that I recieved and NONE of the below is written by me. As the full email is too long to post, PM me for the full transcript.There are some more juicy bits that I had to cut out to fit the post in.

It has some very interseting points I think you will agree.

 

The vision isn't just about 5 years. There is no point in getting back to the premiership if we are just going to struggle when we are there. Once we are there we will compete to win the title, that's the point of being there.

 

The team is being built as exactly that, a team, that will get us out of league one, but also out of the championship.

 

He wants to add players, but only if they will be good enough to progress the team and be 1st team regulars.

If we get promoted this season, he wants the team to aim for the top two in the championship next season, and by doing so we may hit the playoffs providing we build the team properly via January window and in the summer.

 

He said that the January window is difficult as any players we would want would be likely to be involved in Promotion pushes, or fighting to stay in leagues for their current teams so their clubs may be reluctant to let them go, so we might not see that much action in January.

Before they employed Pardew, Nic and Markus were told not to employ him because of his personality, but Pardew won Nicola over. Nicola was wrong.

He said the JPT cost us promotion, and the amount of games in all four competitions was a significant contributing factor.

 

He said the start of our season was ruined by pre-season training in Switzerland, the players were pushed too hard. Ricky for example was in great shape ready for pre-season, he told Nicola that he wanted to get 40 goals this season., and he'd been training in his own time during the summer to ensure he was in good shape. Unfortunately the intensity of pre-season training un-did a lot of that work, and he picked up a number of injuries. Nicola he really feels for Ricky as in the closed season Ricky did everything right, but the pre-season training meant he ended up with about three different problems, where just as one sorts itself out, another one limits his training, he is still struggling with these problems.

 

It sounded like Pardew basically wanted things done his way and didn't listen to the experts around him saying he was pushing the players too hard. The morning of the first game in Switzerland, Pardew had the team doing laps of the pitch in 34oc heat, and they then went to play in the afternoon, this turned out not to be a great idea. He created a fear culture where his staff (coaches, physios etc) were scared to speak out against him. In contrast, he said that everyone at the club likes Adkins and he's settling in well, apart from his wife not moving down yet. Baring in mind that Adkins is a Physio by trade, I think it is fair to say those mistakes won't happen under his reign.

 

 

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Markus favourite player was Papa, who was apparently a very funny chap, a character who's English language improved remarkably. Nicola said Papa would come back, but Fiorentina wouldn't loan him, and we would have to buy him and he didn't think papa was good enough to push us forward.

One of the people there said it would be good if on our last home game of the season the players shirts had Markus's name written on them. That suggestion was well received by Nicola and the rest of us; (sure there would be a lot more shirt sales generated as well if a limited shirt was also sold in the club shop).

Nicola knows what next seasons' shirt looks like, the design has to be finalised in the next two weeks. He wouldn't describe it, but its red and white!

 

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Regarding the funds we have, it's clear there is money there, he said "we could have spent 100mill on a premier league team" but as has been said all along, we must be run in a financially sensible manner. My opinion on this after hearing what Nicola had to say in person and in his press report (and this really is my own gut feeling) is that providing we do things the 'right' way and are not throwing money away, there will always be money there so long as Nicola is with us. He's stated in his BBC interview that although Markus's family are 100% committed, should they ever decide they wish to pull out, he has other people who would come in and replace them which is reassuring.

 

 

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He said they had conducted a study that showed we could potentially attract 40k+ fans to premiership games, and obviously this requires enlarging the stadium. However, he said the surrounding roads and those in and out of the city could not cope with that amount of traffic, and would have to be improved to enable it all to happen. He's talked (informally or formally he didn't say) to a council chief or who ever the powers that be are, and he was getting good vibes from their side to enable us to safely and quickly get 40k people in and out of the stadium without bringing the city to even more of a stand still on a matchday.

 

He will reconsider half season tickets, suggested that maybe he offer two half season tickets i.e. first half and second half of the season and also will look at season ticket holders being prioritised for purchasing their own seats for cup games before going on general sale.

 

He said no more than 1300 people took out the instalment plan for season tickets, and as has been said, over a quarter of those people didn't pay but kept coming!, evading capture by sitting in other seats. This would be solved by the electronic tickets, because these people could be instantly denied access.

 

An interesting point that Nicola made was about what we'd refer to as dead wood. As we are aware, last season the club off loaded 13 or so players, but he said we still have players that "should never have received a pro contract" This frustrated him for a number of reasons, one of which is because it hindered the progress of the young and talented players. Nicola said they have offered certain players on loan, with the condition that our club would pay 100% of the players wages during that time and other clubs have refused! He also said he has offered a couple of players money to leave but they refused! He was also deeply saddened that the previous administration swapped the Bale sell on clause for Tommy forecast!

 

One particularly interesting and shocking thing was what he said about Begbies Traynor, our administrator. They backed the wrong horse for a long time, granting the pinnacle consortium exclusivity and leaving Markus and Nicola out in the cold, so Markus treated to his TEXAN RANCH! for a week or so and wasn't contactable by everyone. Then Nicola got a call from the administrators but was surprised when he asked for a period of due diligence, and that Markus wouldn't just sign the papers put in front of them, It took 15 lawyers 10 days to go over it.

 

One of the other fans there was a particularly well dressed and spoken chap who said he used to work with Rupert Lowes brother. He had met Rupert a few times, and although he didn't warm to him (not many did) Rupert made a lot of mistakes yes, but he used to get depressed by the amount of corruption in his boardroom. This makes a lot of sense when you consider the amount of cash we received from big transfers, which went.. Where?.

 

Nicola was saying we have a very good group of 6-7 youth players coming up through at the age of 16ish who have the potential to be premiership standard, but a void of talent a few years older. The youngsters are interacting with the 1st team in training and James Ward - Prouse in particular is excelling.

 

If the new plans for the training ground are accepted and put into place, The building will incorporate both youth and first team platers, but the different players will have different levels of facilities. For example the youngsters will have good facilities, and will be like a college environment, but they will see that if they work hard, the facilities on offer to the main squad will be bigger, and better. I think it's to let them know that they haven't made it, and they will be inspired to work hard and impress, because all that will separate them is a door. So if they work hard, they can make it through the door!

They have recently employed 25 staff for the youth teams alone, and now the academy players are taught at Staplewood instead of going to Tauntons. That removes the time taken to travel between the two places. He said they are making it a second home that provides everything they need. A lot of them now get their earlier and stay later. It ultimately keeps them getting bored out side of training hours, and the staff can make sure they don't get into trouble!

He said we will have a new shirt sponsor next year, and we have attracted interest from a lot of companies.

17 of the current championship managers applied for Pardews job! As did at least 1 premiership manager and a couple of international managers!

Edited 19 December, 2010 by St Chalet

[SuperMikey]

Most of that has been gone over before in the other Cortese Dinner thread, but it's still very reassuring to read stuff like that about the club. Whatever the agenda-driven mongs on here might say, I believe we're very firmly placed in very safe hands. Love the idea about the Liebherr shirts as well, who is our last home game against? Carlisle isn't it?

[RonManager]

Thanks for taking the time and effort to transcribe it. Some, but certainly not all, of the content is discussed in the Dan Roan BBC interview but that will probably be removed at some point so it's good to have it on the forum for posters to refer to vwhen discussing stuff about the club.

[Flyer]

It took 15 lawyers 10 days to go over it. He said that the administrator asked him to make "dodgy payments" in the presence of both sides lawyers when they were signing the papers, which disgusted Nicola and Markus. He said "if you ask me to do that one more time, I'm going to report you for money laundering!!!" He was shocked by the corruption and said, now there is only me, and I'm not corrupt, so we don't have to worry about corruption in our club anymore.

 

Just be thankful he only wanted a brown paper bang, the QPR administrator took out a dodgy loan with some Panamanian group with a ridiculous interest rate and it was secured on the ground so they could buy it for £10m.

 

Just a few day after we came out of admin, he was offered a seat on the directors board of that loan shark group and took it.

 

We were also the only team to ever come out of admin owing more money than we went into admin. Nearly killed the club.

[VectisSaint]

Picking up on the Academy/youth part. I would like to know if there are plans to operate the academy satellite again around Bath. We picked up several very good youngsters, including Bale I believe through that route. I know there is still some connection in the area but to get the best youngsters I feel we do have to look further afield than just in Hampshire, and satellites are very helpful for younger kids where the travelling can be rather too much.

[SuperSAINT]

Cheers for posting that, mate.

[Flyer]

Oh and the 17 CCC managers applying must be a lie. No way the QPR, Leeds, Cardiff, Swansea, Forest, Derby, Pompey, or Bristol managers applied. Nor Burley, Sven or Pearson.

[Wildgoose]

Thanks a lot! Seen some of this before but not all. A very interesting and reassuring read.....

[Spudders]

The first half of those quotes are direct copies taken from my post on the subject.

[Colinjb]

Oh and the 17 CCC managers applying must be a lie. No way the QPR, Leeds, Cardiff, Swansea, Forest, Derby, Pompey, or Bristol managers applied. Nor Burley, Sven or Pearson.

 

Why? They may well have applied out of curiosity to see what the terms would be. I doubt all would have been serious but as an information finding exercise it would have been very interesting.

[Window Cleaner]

Oh and the 17 CCC managers applying must be a lie. No way the QPR, Leeds, Cardiff, Swansea, Forest, Derby, Pompey, or Bristol managers applied. Nor Burley, Sven or Pearson.

 

It sounds like utter crap, more like 17 video game championship managers.Did NC really really say that, Spudgun?

[Thedelldays]

It sounds like utter crap, more like 17 video game championship managers.Did NC really really say that, Spudgun?

 

did he say current CCC managers or 17 CCC managers..

 

I would put phil brown as a CCC manager..yet he is or was not at a club..

[Window Cleaner]

Oh and the 17 CCC managers applying must be a lie. No way the QPR, Leeds, Cardiff, Swansea, Forest, Derby, Pompey, or Bristol managers applied. Nor Burley, Sven or Pearson.

 

But if all those really applied and we turned them down ..........well I really don't know what to say,especially if we turned down Lambert or Kenny Jackett or even Roy Keane..

Edited 19 December, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[Thedelldays]

But if all those really applied and we turned them down ..........well I really don't know what to say.

 

would you prefer phil brown..?

[Spudders]

It sounds like utter crap, more like 17 video game championship managers.Did NC really really say that, Spudgun?

 

Can't remember the number (it's a point I forgot from my details) but it was a surprisingly high number. As Colinjb says, I'm sure many of them were people just wanting to have a nose about.

 

It's not really a point that Nicola would gain anything from making up so I have no reason to doubt that it's true.

[Window Cleaner]

Can't remember the number (it's a point I forgot from my details) but it was a surprisingly high number. As Colinjb says, I'm sure many of them were people just wanting to have a nose about.

 

It's not really a point that Nicola would gain anything from making up so I have no reason to doubt that it's true.

 

Still you'd agree that if Paul Lambert applied we might have just called him in for a chat???

[Thedelldays]

Still you'd agree that if Paul Lambert applied we might have just called him in for a chat???

 

do you think it was 17 managers that were in place already..or 17 CCC managers (like phil brown)

 

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[barney]

sounds like a superb vision but the only evidence i have seen to back this up was in jan2010.

Not anti cortese or anything just been dissapointed since then.

[docker-p]

Funny that if AP's pre-season was such a cock up AC waited until we thumped BRFC 4-0 away before firing him.

And the bit about possibly not signing any players in January, as most of the players we're interested in would be involved in relegation fights or promotion pushes so their clubs wouldn't want to sell??? It will be january, nearly every club is potentially in either a promotion push or relegation fight. Sounds like the an excuse already.

Oh and the bit about if the Liebherrs family did sell up he had other investors to take their place. I thought the club was not for sale, so why is he sounding out other investors?

But what do i know, I'm just an agenda driven mong.

[Window Cleaner]

would you prefer phil brown..?

 

But he wasn't a "current championship manager" at that time, neither was Sven as far as can recall.I'd certainly have a stab at Jackett or Lambert before I appointed Adkins that's for sure.Or the bloke at Doncaster or Leeds or Warnock.I just cannot believe that those men all applied for a job they didn't want and that none of them was judged suitable for further interest.So to me the number is just a figment of someone's imagination.

Edited 19 December, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[Thedelldays]

But he wasn't a "current championship manager" at that time, neither was Sven as far as can recall.I'd certainly have a stab at Jackett or Lambert before I appointed Adkins that's for sure.Or the bloke at Doncaster or Leeds or Warnock.I just cannot believe that those men all applied for a job they didn't want and that none of them was judged suitable for further interest.

 

its a matter of opinion..I would call phil brown a CCC manager..

 

then again..its the odd word said by a non englishman that im sure you will now tear to shreds

I really do get the feeling you dont like Cortese/Adkins

[Draino76]

I think I'll get a season ticket next year to get a chance @going to one of these dinners! Cheers fella.

[Window Cleaner]

its a matter of opinion..I would call phil brown a CCC manager..

 

then again..its the odd word said by a non englishman that im sure you will now tear to shreds

I really do get the feeling you dont like Cortese/Adkins

 

As I have said before I certainly do not rate Adkins as the best candidate that we might have had.I have said before that I think the whole affair was botched and that we should have set someone up before sacking Pardew on the spur of the moment.

[Thedelldays]

As I have said before I certainly do not rate Adkins as the best candidate that we might have had.I have said before that I think the whole affair was botched and that we should have set someone up before sacking Pardew on the spur of the moment.

 

great...does that mean you dont have to make the same point again, agaian, again and again..?

[Secret Site Agent]

It's good to see that information that is in the public domain is consistant and seems to fall into what I suspect is happening.

 

This seems to be a consistant plan and I am particularly interested in the number and types of manager interested in replacing Pardew.

 

I still hope that the most exciting times are ahead. If only we could transfer them onto the pitch.......

 

But that's football. It's a funny old game.

[Spudders]

do you think it was 17 managers that were in place already..or 17 CCC managers (like phil brown)?

 

My impression/understanding was that he meant it was of the current CCC managers

 

Still you'd agree that if Paul Lambert applied we might have just called him in for a chat???

 

Maybe we did? Who knows how many of those that applied were interviewed? Certainly if I were allowed to just take my pick from the managers in that league I wouldn't have picked Adkins. However if I had interviewed several of them and found some of them to come across badly, whereas I liked Adkins and he gave all the right answers than who knows?

Certainly I know that I have interviewed people for jobs before (knowing a bit about them already) and have been surprised by the way some people act and the things they say in an interview situation.

I'm a bit indifferent about Adkins to be honest, but I have faith in Nicola so for the time being I'm ok to accept that he got the right person for what he wants. Sometimes the best person 'on paper' isn't the person you'd want to work with.

[Window Cleaner]

My impression/understanding was that he meant it was of the current CCC managers

 

 

 

Maybe we did? Who knows how many of those that applied were interviewed? Certainly if I were allowed to just take my pick from the managers in that league I wouldn't have picked Adkins. However if I had interviewed several of them and found some of them to come across badly, whereas I liked Adkins and he gave all the right answers than who knows?

Certainly I know that I have interviewed people for jobs before (knowing a bit about them already) and have been surprised by the way some people act and the things they say in an interview situation.

I'm a bit indifferent about Adkins to be honest, but I have faith in Nicola so for the time being I'm ok to accept that he got the right person for what he wants. Sometimes the best person 'on paper' isn't the person you'd want to work with.

 

All that's as maybe. Perhaps he should have remained silent or evasive about this or just said "a few" or something like that.If we shouldn't make promotion this season, this fact (if averred) might come back to haunt him. 17 out of 24 CCC managers,supposedly current must include some really good candidates, like Strachan (if it was current then) or Mowbray (if it's current now).

[Spudders]

I have said before that I think the whole affair was botched and that we should have set someone up before sacking Pardew on the spur of the moment.

 

That's the problem though isn't it, as a manager of people you can't just have someone waiting as a replacement for every member of your staff just in case something happens and you need to sack them.

 

This is exactly what I said when Pards was sacked and everyone on here was saying that Nicola had been waiting to get rid of him, if that really were the case, there would have been someone ready, this is exactly why I believe pards job was safe for this season. His sacking was due to his own actions which left his employer with no other choice than to have to sack him.

[Thedelldays]

i can only see this going one way....constant circle of the pardew sacking..

 

shame..as the OP has one or two new nuggets of info

[Spudders]

All that's as maybe. Perhaps he should have remained silent or evasive about this or just said "a few" or something like that.If we shouldn't make promotion this season, this fact (if averred) might come back to haunt him. 17 out of 24 CCC managers,supposedly current must include some really good candidates, like Strachan (if it was current then) or Mowbray (if it's current now).

 

Totally agree, as I say Adkins would not have been my choice. Let's hope we do get promotion and this doesn't have to become an issue!

[NickG]

Adkins seems the right appointment to me at the moment;

 

1) good working relationship with Cortese - the most important thing

2) good record at this level

3) rated within the game as having ability to go further

4) modern approach

[Window Cleaner]

Totally agree, as I say Adkins would not have been my choice. Let's hope we do get promotion and this doesn't have to become an issue!

 

Plus all CCC chairmen now know that last September there is a 66% chance that their manager was sniffing around after another job.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Funny that if AP's pre-season was such a cock up AC waited until we thumped BRFC 4-0 away before firing him.

And the bit about possibly not signing any players in January, as most of the players we're interested in would be involved in relegation fights or promotion pushes so their clubs wouldn't want to sell??? It will be january, nearly every club is potentially in either a promotion push or relegation fight. Sounds like the an excuse already.

Oh and the bit about if the Liebherrs family did sell up he had other investors to take their place. I thought the club was not for sale, so why is he sounding out other investors?

But what do i know, I'm just an agenda driven mong.

 

Yes. Quite right, you are an agenda driven mong. As you have just splendidly displayed to everyone (again).

[70's Mike]

All very interesting and reassuring

if only football was like other businesses, how do you plan for Rickie not scoring, Kelvin's clanger against Brentford.

so the january transfer window is difficult but without new additions the squad for the Brentford game will not win us promotion.

Plans about SMS/Academy are all words unless the first team perform the plans mean nothing.

Saints fans are used to hot air from the board room the proof of the pudding is on the pitch

[Amesbury Saint]

shame that we are 10th rather than 1st

[up and away]

Funny that if AP's pre-season was such a cock up AC waited until we thumped BRFC 4-0 away before firing him.

 

Oh and the bit about if the Liebherrs family did sell up he had other investors to take their place. I thought the club was not for sale, so why is he sounding out other investors?

But what do i know, I'm just an agenda driven mong.

 

Just before the Rovers game, we had the cup game against Bolton in mid-week. Pardew commented after the cup game "it was not a priority game, but we treated it as such anyway". Now bearing in mind everything that happened previously, can you think of anything dumber to say? Then during the Rovers game, Lallana broke down and required an operation, after doing close to the full game in midweek. It looks to me like Cortese felt the damage had been done, add in the previous and there was no way back.

 

The club statement at the time "These targets for sustained and significant progress embrace both the First Team and the Football Development & Support Centre as integrated, co-operative units" now makes full sense. Pardew went out on his own, disregarded all the facilities and expertise put in place to aid him and just bluggered things up. What's the point in spending £M's on a set up, just to do the opposite whilst inflicting heavy damage?

 

The really interesting bit is as you say about the finances. Now we know Markus set up a trust fund for the club, but obviously this is not going to be to the full extent Markus may have ploughed into us with the talk of CL. What the family's position will be down the road when this comes to a head, we don't know. We can certainly guess that there is a likely problem here from the comments, but one that could be reduced / over come, by sponsorship or additional investment. Your assumption we will need to sell does not add up with the light of the trust fund, but we are not in the same place if Markus were alive today. Maybe we won't have the funds to force us into the Premier and stay there, but the one thing I am positive about, we really would be worse off without Cortese. Without any objectivity, all you are doing is phissing down your leg, filling your boots.

 

I don't agree with the team building sufficient to compete / get promotion from the CCC. The priority has to be League 1, the CCC can be dealt with when it's there!

[Jonnyboy]

I reckon NC hit on AP and got knocked back by the slut.

[Window Cleaner]

I reckon NC hit on AP and got knocked back by the slut.

 

doesn't sound very much less likely than 2/3rds of CCC managers applying for the Saint's managers job really.

[Jonnyboy]

doesn't sound very much less likely than 2/3rds of CCC managers applying for the Saint's managers job really.

 

[saint lard]

Adkins seems the right appointment to me at the moment;

 

1) good working relationship with Cortese - the most important thing

2) good record at this level

3) rated within the game as having ability to go further

4) modern approach

 

1)so we are led to believe having read comments from both NA and NC,but they are hardly going to say anything derogatory about each other.

When it comes to 'push and shove' NC will still want to reach targets set,if not he will be shown the door like anyone would.

 

2) Good record withb Scunny 2 promotions and sandwhiched inbetween a relegation.Totally different scenario managing Scunny and us,from expectations to managing a different squad with huge amounts of pressure from many directions.

 

3)rated by some perhaps,even some on here appeared to be wetting themselves at the propect, but that is no assurance he is going to do well at SFC,someones opinion about someone is no more founded and based on fact as someone saying they don't think he will amount to anything.Just an opinion,nothing more.

 

4)Modern aproach,is this the 'fast free flowing football with width that many were advocating he would adopt? it's hardly been revolutionary in my view.

 

 

Team not reaching it's full potential,Harding,Lambert,Fonte,Morgan,Butterfield either not given the opportunity or showing poorer form than last seasons campaign.

Expecting Holmes/oxo to fill Puncheons boots for possibly the remainder of the season was not an inspired decision.

 

As i stated earlier its about opinions,i respect yours, however much i tend to disagree.

Edited 19 December, 2010 by saint lard

[derry]

The Bristol Rovers game keeps being put forward, any one would think it was supposed to be the great turning point of the season, however it wasn't a particularly good performance that swept every thing before it. Weston was talking to Adam's father before the Swindon cup game and he said that Rovers were so poor we should have got eight. I saw the goals and there was no great cutting edge to any of them.

 

I understand Adam's injury was caused on a treadmill at home, that a specialist couldn't pinpoint any specific injury and suggested he continued to play until it broke down or not which it did straight after half time at Bristol. This was on the understanding if he opened it up to look, Adam would be out for a month but if not and it broke down he would be out for six weeks. To play he was having pain killing injections before 1st and 2nd halfs.

[docker-p]

Yes. Quite right, you are an agenda driven mong. As you have just splendidly displayed to everyone (again).

Ouch! There's my Sunday ruined.

[Thedelldays]

The Bristol Rovers game keeps being put forward, any one would think it was supposed to be the great turning point of the season, however it wasn't a particularly good performance that swept every thing before it. Weston was talking to Adam's father before the Swindon cup game and he said that Rovers were so poor we should have got eight. I saw the goals and there was no great cutting edge to any of them.

 

I understand Adam's injury was caused on a treadmill at home, that a specialist couldn't pinpoint any specific injury and suggested he continued to play until it broke down or not which it did straight after half time at Bristol. This was on the understanding if he opened it up to look, Adam would be out for a month but if not and it broke down he would be out for six weeks. To play he was having pain killing injections before 1st and 2nd halfs.

brizzle were poor...they have since parted ways with paul trollope

[John B]

The whole idea of a 40000 seater stadium and Saints competeing for the league title appears to me very unlikely to me.

 

Teams like Liverpool Tottenham and Everton cannot do it so I doubt whether we can.

 

Just happy to have a team to watch and support and do not care about Cortese's Dream which no doubt other Chairman have too

[Matthew Le God]

The whole idea of a 40000 seater stadium and Saints competeing for the league title appears to me very unlikely to me.

 

Teams like Liverpool Tottenham and Everton cannot do it so I doubt whether we can.

 

Just happy to have a team to watch and support and do not care about Cortese's Dream which no doubt other Chairman have too

 

But do these other chairman have the funding that Cortese has? Pointless having dreams if you don't have the resources, it "seems" like Cortese may have the resources.

 

Why is a 40k stadium unrealistic for Saints? Every year in the Premier League at St Mary's averaged over 30k and that was for a team that had little invested in it. If the team is successful 40k+ crowds are easily achievable for Saints.

 

Just going back to the original post in this thread, it still hasn't been explained how his colleagues account is lifted word for word from Spudguns account of the meeting a few weeks ago.

Edited 19 December, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[John B]

But do these other chairman have the funding that Cortese has? Pointless having dreams if you don't have the resources, it "seems" like Cortese may have the resources.

 

Why is a 40k stadium unrealistic for Saints? Every year in the Premier League at St Mary's averaged over 30k and that was for a team that had little invested in it. If the team is successful 40k+ crowds are easily achievable for Saints.

 

Just going back to the original post in this thread, it still hasn't been explained how his colleagues account is lifted word for word from Spudguns account of the meeting a few weeks ago.

 

I suggest you just get a bit of realism in your life Cortese's just spinning a tale like politicians do.

 

 

It just not going to happen