Isnt it time to name-and-shame "the group behind the scenes" ?

[up and away]

What when on in the past is in the past

not sure why NC feels people are undermining club or how they are actually doing it?

his own spats with the local and national press have caused more damage to the club than others, and yes i agree the Echo stinks and so does the Sun, but to pick fights with them leads to this position

 

This has resulted from the undermining of the club by the rumours the club was for sale over the last couple of weeks, hardly a past that can be readily forgotten. From all the details that have come out so far, Cortese is specifically talking about ex managers or ex players who were being paid by the club for their "services" in hospitality. Both Wilde nor Crouch never took a salary as far as I know, so that leaves a very restricted few. I am pretty sure Lowe never offered his services when Cortese came in, so that narrows it further. As Cortese said, if they can show they can improve the profitability of the club by their employment, then he would look at it. From his milking comments, it's obvious that the money paid out previously just increased losses, rather than helping reduce them.

 

I don't expect these rumours came from these ex managers or ex players, but a lot of those that congregate around them would be definitely in the frame. So when Cortese gets some feedback on the source and those they associate with, it's not unwarranted to point the finger in that direction. As for the Mirror, they have already apologised and offered a retraction, so not really an issue.

[Saintandy666]

When NC talked about those 'milking' the club, he said that, he had seen figures which proved it (words to that affect anyway) !

By this I assume that someone was previously being quite highly paid for 'ambassadorial services' !

This to me was his biggest clue and I know who I think it is but (obviously for reasons of libel!) I'm not saying !!

 

I heard the name as well... from reliable enough sources. I think everyone knows who it is, but obviously we aren't allowed to say.

Edited 10 December, 2010 by Saintandy666

[simo]

He's doing what's best for the club we're on the up and I'm hearing the right noises for the future so for now.I'm happy with St Nic !

[Dalek2003]

Morning Dalek, i am one of those yellow bellies, i'll hold my hands up.I did not want Glenn Hoddle to come back and i'll tell you why. As someone who played football at a decent level, i enjoyed the feeling of 11 geezers fighting their cause every week and although it was only something as trivial as kicking a bag of air around it gave me a sense of loyalty to do my best for all my team mates, who were doing the same.

 

Now don't get me wrong, Glenn Hoddle was a great player and i was fortunate to play on the same park as him, and i really did love watching his Saints side playing, but, there is always a but, there was something not quite right imho with his committment to the cause and i always felt Southampton Football Club was a stepping stone back into the limelight for him.so when he left for Spurs i felt hurt for my club that he had snubbed us.

 

Now you may well say, and you have on numerous occasions, look what happened when we didn't want him back for a second time.We all know what happened next and we chose inferior people who were not up for the job and it cost us big time.In hindsight i can say yes i made a mistake not wanting Glenn Hoddle back now, but i would always be looking over my shoulder with him in charge, waiting for him to dump on us again.

I prefer to stand shoulder to shoulder with someone who is fighting the same cause as me, than to worry when he was going to slide off when i wasn't looking ,or it got tough.

 

I know a lot of your posts are tongue in cheek and fwiw, they make me chuckle........so please forgive me Dalek.

 

A very good post and i agree with much you say. The crux of the matter was that you did not have to like Hoddle as a person as long as he did a good job for the club, which he had done in the past and to some extent he did for England. Therefore he was the man for the job. I have just been reading 'As long as you Don't Kiss me' a very well respected book about the Brian Clough. He was controversial, eccentric and not always liked but he knew how to manage footballers and he knew how to get his teams to win matches, just ask the supporters of Nottingham Forest.

So sure, we decide not to appoint Hoddle because he left us to go to Spurs. Fine, and it must have made some people feel good to snub Hoddle but was it worth the cost ? I remember being intensly disappointed at the appointment of Sturrock. Here was a man out of his depth before he had even jumped in the pool.

You sound like someone ITK, surely you must admit that with the Premiership players we had in 2004 they were going to respect Hoddle, with all his pedigree over someone who had achieved moderate success with a moderate football club.

Finally, this issue did begin the sharp decline of the club. It is painful history, but although many would prefer to erase it from their memory it does not deserve to be lest we make the same mistake again.

[aintforever]

When NC talked about those 'milking' the club, he said that, he had seen figures which proved it (words to that affect anyway) !

By this I assume that someone was previously being quite highly paid for 'ambassadorial services' !

This to me was his biggest clue and I know who I think it is but (obviously for reasons of libel!) I'm not saying !!

 

Just because Cortese says someone was milking the club doesn't make it fact.

 

If someone is being paid for 'ambassadorial services' they obviously are doing a job and adding value, just because Cortese disagrees with the previous chairman about the value doesn't mean he's right because it's obviously quite hard to quantify. If money was being wasted the blame lies solely with the employer.

[scotty]

It all seems far fetched to me, are we the only club to have a shadowy group trying to sow chaos and disorder do other chairman bring these things up in their interviews?. Does this group have a name? Do they meet at some hidden underground lair plotting the destruction of SFC?

 

scratch that found some footage of the evil bastards here fill your boots alpine

 

 

doddsys spouting utter sh*te again. For anyone interested in the real story, heres the correct link-

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTqeff-JzXg

[doddisalegend]

I heard the name as well... from reliable enough sources. I think everyone knows who it is, but obviously we aren't allowed to say.

 

ok so the Dark forces out to destroy SFC is in fact a saints legend. This is all very crappy (if true)

 

A football clubs history is (at least to me) a very important part of the club, every club has it's legends, fans favorites etc. To my mind if these sort of people who are part of the clubs history want to be involved with the club it should be encoraged they are part of what make the saints I love saints. I don't want a club that trys to make out nothing much happened before Aug 2009

 

The flip side of the coin though is these same people shouldn't be expecting handouts from the club either nor should they be bad mouthing the club in public. I don't want my memories of club greats tarnished by them behaving like prats now.

 

In ideal world the two sides would sit down of a couple of beers clear the air and move on, sadly it's not an ideal world.

[NickG]

future is more important

[doddisalegend]

future is more important

 

Not saying the future isn't important, but history is a big party of any football club (well maybe not MK Dons:)). I don't want my saints heros of yesteryear tarnished, I don't want the current management to make out that some ex saints who bleed red a white are trying to destroy the club.

 

But I also accept that if certain saints Legends are being cocks they need to stop it, its not helping the club, they are not entitled to anything free becuase of things they've done in that past.

 

Thank f uck for Jason Dodd thats an example of how I'd like to see ex saints involved back in the club.

Edited 11 December, 2010 by doddisalegend

[david in sweden]

What a load of ******, why would a group of people try and damage the club? I expect it's more a case of people disagreeing with Cortese and voicing their opinion.

 

you mean...like Wikipedia?

[djharvey]

Just because Cortese says someone was milking the club doesn't make it fact.

 

If someone is being paid for 'ambassadorial services' they obviously are doing a job and adding value, just because Cortese disagrees with the previous chairman about the value doesn't mean he's right because it's obviously quite hard to quantify. If money was being wasted the blame lies solely with the employer.

 

Just because someone gets paid to do a job does not mean they are doing it and adding value!

I think NC has enough financial experience to make a fair judgement on whether it is good value or not!

If you were swinging the lead at work, would you be to blame or your employer?

Any true ambassador for the club should really want to ensure that their club gets good value for their services, if not then we are better of without them!

[hamster]

I think you need Help.

 

Yes

 

11 ?

 

No

 

13?

 

Yes

[hamster]

11 ?

 

13?

 

I think you need Help.

 

At least 15... But it shows real love for N(Y)C... But thinking up so many songs Hamster, I wonder, how do you sleep at night? Do you have a woman? And is she the n****r of the world? I don't think NC really likes the fame that comes with the role of chairman, but he's really trying to get us all to come together (right now); the last thing we need is a revolution (or 9). Personally I just want him to give me some truth. How? It's so hard?

 

Think you need to go cold turkey from this for a while.

 

Grow old with me,

Love,

Amsterdam

 

I think you need some help! but whatever gets you through the night mate...

[aintforever]

Just because someone gets paid to do a job does not mean they are doing it and adding value!

I think NC has enough financial experience to make a fair judgement on whether it is good value or not!

If you were swinging the lead at work, would you be to blame or your employer?

Any true ambassador for the club should really want to ensure that their club gets good value for their services, if not then we are better of without them!

 

We obviously don't know who is involved or what the money was but maybe NC's judgement is not that accurate. So far he seems to me to be the sort of person who knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

 

Whenever I've been in the suites (Terry Paine, Booby Stokes, Mick Channon and Director's Guests) one of the most enjoyable things of the experience has been chatting to ex Saints. It's probably easy to look at the bar bill or their expenses and question their role, it's not so easy to work out the value they add to the experience.

 

I don't doubt that there was some hangers on, just wouldn't take Cortese's word as gospel when he says certain people were "milking".

[djharvey]

We obviously don't know who is involved or what the money was but maybe NC's judgement is not that accurate. So far he seems to me to be the sort of person who knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

 

Whenever I've been in the suites (Terry Paine, Booby Stokes, Mick Channon and Director's Guests) one of the most enjoyable things of the experience has been chatting to ex Saints. It's probably easy to look at the bar bill or their expenses and question their role, it's not so easy to work out the value they add to the experience.

 

I don't doubt that there was some hangers on, just wouldn't take Cortese's word as gospel when he says certain people were "milking".

 

You don't doubt there were hangers on, so if these hangers on were getting paid then is that not the same as milking the club. It doesn't have to be for huge sums of money, just not really working for it!

 

I have no doubt there were hangers on, some of which were probably milking the club! who they were and how much money was envolved i know not.