Isnt it time to name-and-shame "the group behind the scenes" ?

[eurosaint]

When NC talked about those 'milking' the club, he said that, he had seen figures which proved it (words to that affect anyway) !

By this I assume that someone was previously being quite highly paid for 'ambassadorial services' !

This to me was his biggest clue and I know who I think it is but (obviously for reasons of libel!) I'm not saying !!

[Window Cleaner]

Cortese sounds a bit paranoid, IMO.

 

a bit !!!!

[docker-p]

Over the last 6 months there seem to have been several stories going around which can be attributed to certain individuals sh*t-stirring about the club, trying to do it damage.

 

NC referred to them today. Isn't it time we knew who they are ?

There is nothing going on that doesn't go on at ever club up and down the country every day. The difference is NC can't take any sort of criticism and is paranoid and/or has very thin skin. Half of his interview was about "others, outside the club" FFS It's time NC grew a pair.

99.9 % of Saints fans aren't even aware that "others" are criticising NC. Which just illustrates NC's paranoia further.

[St_Tel49]

There is nothing going on that doesn't go on at ever club up and down the country every day. The difference is NC can't take any sort of criticism and is paranoid and/or has very thin skin. Half of his interview was about "others, outside the club" FFS It's time NC grew a pair.

99.9 % of Saints fans aren't even aware that "others" are criticising NC. Which just illustrates NC's paranoia further.

He didn't come across as paranoid to me. Anyway - to quote Woody Allen - just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they are not out to get you.

[Dalek2003]

While we are talking about naming and shaming, how about the buggers that stopped the appointment of Glenn Hoddle in 2004 from owning up ? These are the real culprits in our downfall and those yellow bellies have just faded into the background and spend most of their time blaming anyone but themsleves.

[Mr_Red]

While we are talking about naming and shaming, how about the buggers that stopped the appointment of Glenn Hoddle in 2004 from owning up ? These are the real culprits in our downfall and those yellow bellies have just faded into the background and spend most of their time blaming anyone but themsleves.

 

Your posts are incredibly tedious. Can you not see past the Hoddle era?

If in 5 years time we are in the top half of the prem will you be glad Hoddle wasn't appointed - otherwise the whole Marcus takeover might not have happened...

Or would Hoddle have won the league with us by then?!

You talk about the past but not that many people care - what can be done about it? We can only learn. I just mentioned the future which can be what we make of it...

Fancy talking about now?

[Dalek2003]

Your posts are incredibly tedious. Can you not see past the Hoddle era?

If in 5 years time we are in the top half of the prem will you be glad Hoddle wasn't appointed - otherwise the whole Marcus takeover might not have happened...

Or would Hoddle have won the league with us by then?!

You talk about the past but not that many people care - what can be done about it? We can only learn. I just mentioned the future which can be what we make of it...

Fancy talking about now?

 

To understand NOW, you need to understand how we got here. Yes, it is great that at long last we are looking to a bright future. We were incredibly lucky to be saved by Markus and we always be indebted to him and his family. However, the reason we were brought to the brink is important and it started after we appointed Sturrock as a last minute panic appointment instead of Hoddle. We did not appoint Hoddle because of the vocal minority.

Ask yourself, why did they never reveal themselves ?

[Mr_Red]

To understand NOW, you need to understand how we got here. Yes, it is great that at long last we are looking to a bright future. We were incredibly lucky to be saved by Markus and we always be indebted to him and his family. However, the reason we were brought to the brink is important and it started after we appointed Sturrock as a last minute panic appointment instead of Hoddle. We did not appoint Hoddle because of the vocal minority.

Ask yourself, why did they never reveal themselves ?

 

Because in reality you cannot say for certain that Hoddle would have done any better than Sturrock...

Also, whoever it was that had the power to influence that decision was still in power during the relegation - so why would they admit to it?

It's not really related to this thread.

[Teddy Nutkins]

While we are talking about naming and shaming, how about the buggers that stopped the appointment of Glenn Hoddle in 2004 from owning up ? These are the real culprits in our downfall and those yellow bellies have just faded into the background and spend most of their time blaming anyone but themsleves.

 

Morning Dalek, i am one of those yellow bellies, i'll hold my hands up.I did not want Glenn Hoddle to come back and i'll tell you why. As someone who played football at a decent level, i enjoyed the feeling of 11 geezers fighting their cause every week and although it was only something as trivial as kicking a bag of air around it gave me a sense of loyalty to do my best for all my team mates, who were doing the same.

 

Now don't get me wrong, Glenn Hoddle was a great player and i was fortunate to play on the same park as him, and i really did love watching his Saints side playing, but, there is always a but, there was something not quite right imho with his committment to the cause and i always felt Southampton Football Club was a stepping stone back into the limelight for him.so when he left for Spurs i felt hurt for my club that he had snubbed us.

 

Now you may well say, and you have on numerous occasions, look what happened when we didn't want him back for a second time.We all know what happened next and we chose inferior people who were not up for the job and it cost us big time.In hindsight i can say yes i made a mistake not wanting Glenn Hoddle back now, but i would always be looking over my shoulder with him in charge, waiting for him to dump on us again.

I prefer to stand shoulder to shoulder with someone who is fighting the same cause as me, than to worry when he was going to slide off when i wasn't looking ,or it got tough.

 

I know a lot of your posts are tongue in cheek and fwiw, they make me chuckle........so please forgive me Dalek.

[Noodles34]

Was it David Jones?

 

Jesus, evryone knows it was Jason Dodd, for Christ sakes

[Grim Reaper]

Jesus, evryone knows it was Jason Dodd, for Christ sakes

 

 

 

No they dont ?

[Give it to Ron]

Morning Dalek, i am one of those yellow bellies, i'll hold my hands up.I did not want Glenn Hoddle to come back and i'll tell you why. As someone who played football at a decent level, i enjoyed the feeling of 11 geezers fighting their cause every week and although it was only something as trivial as kicking a bag of air around it gave me a sense of loyalty to do my best for all my team mates, who were doing the same.

 

Now don't get me wrong, Glenn Hoddle was a great player and i was fortunate to play on the same park as him, and i really did love watching his Saints side playing, but, there is always a but, there was something not quite right imho with his committment to the cause and i always felt Southampton Football Club was a stepping stone back into the limelight for him.so when he left for Spurs i felt hurt for my club that he had snubbed us.

 

Now you may well say, and you have on numerous occasions, look what happened when we didn't want him back for a second time.We all know what happened next and we chose inferior people who were not up for the job and it cost us big time.In hindsight i can say yes i made a mistake not wanting Glenn Hoddle back now, but i would always be looking over my shoulder with him in charge, waiting for him to dump on us again.

I prefer to stand shoulder to shoulder with someone who is fighting the same cause as me, than to worry when he was going to slide off when i wasn't looking ,or it got tough.

 

I know a lot of your posts are tongue in cheek and fwiw, they make me chuckle........so please forgive me Dalek.

 

Great post Teddy....if it will shut Dalek up once and for all I will admit it....even though I wasn't one of them.

I didn't think he was the right man then and still don't now. Why....this says it all for me.

 

In the run up to 1998 FIFA World Cup, he scored a hat-trick in a game for England B; despite this, he was controversially overlooked by manager Glenn Hoddle for the final squad, a decision that the player himself cited as a hiatus in his career after which his form never fully recovered.[15] Ironically, given his reputation for penalty taking, England exited the tournament after losing to Argentina in a penalty shoot out.

[georgeweahscousin]

When NC talked about those 'milking' the club, he said that, he had seen figures which proved it (words to that affect anyway) !

By this I assume that someone was previously being quite highly paid for 'ambassadorial services' !

This to me was his biggest clue and I know who I think it is but (obviously for reasons of libel!) I'm not saying !!

 

Exactly.

 

I think the same, he was talking about certain people on high salaries for doing very little.

[docker-p]

When NC talked about those 'milking' the club, he said that, he had seen figures which proved it (words to that affect anyway) !

By this I assume that someone was previously being quite highly paid for 'ambassadorial services' !

This to me was his biggest clue and I know who I think it is but (obviously for reasons of libel!) I'm not saying !!

And you blindly believe NC about this 'milking' allegation? It wouldn't be that he has an agenda to discredit those that he feels aren't on his side.?

I'm not saying that is the case, just that there is no more reason to believe NC than anyone else.

[up and away]

 

Originally Posted by alpine_saint

Over the last 6 months there seem to have been several stories going around which can be attributed to certain individuals sh*t-stirring about the club, trying to do it damage.

 

NC referred to them today. Isn't it time we knew who they are ?

 

There is nothing going on that doesn't go on at ever club up and down the country every day. The difference is NC can't take any sort of criticism and is paranoid and/or has very thin skin. Half of his interview was about "others, outside the club" FFS It's time NC grew a pair.

 

 

99.9 % of Saints fans aren't even aware that "others" are criticising NC. Which just illustrates NC's paranoia further.

 

It does go on at many clubs, but that in no way makes it right, just a reflection of the numpties that attach themselves to football clubs. This has nothing to do with criticism or paranoia, this is to do with gossip influencing the clubs plans and future. Because of the consequence of such gossip, it is no exageration to describe this as malicious, whatever the original intent.

 

We have two instances where Cortese has responded to these rumours and for good reason.

First the rumours regarding Pardew had to be addressed, such the plans already agreed and laid out did not require major change by the manager being unsettled. Now our plans were unsettled when Pardew got the sack and you can see the effect they had. Cortese had no idea that Pardew would run the players into the ground during pre-season, against the advice of medical and other staff, resulting in his sacking.

Secondly, it should not be too difficult for you to figure out that any major sponsorship negotiations would be seriously effected by rumours in the national papers of the club beig sold.

 

 

Paranoia maybe, phissed off definitely and definitely grounds for complaint.

[Saint_clark]

Jesus, evryone knows it was Jason Dodd, for Christ sakes

 

He's still an employee of the club so that's out the window.

[doddisalegend]

It does go on at many clubs, but that in no way makes it right, just a reflection of the numpties that attach themselves to football clubs. This has nothing to do with criticism or paranoia, this is to do with gossip influencing the clubs plans and future. Because of the consequence of such gossip, it is no exageration to describe this as malicious, whatever the original intent.

 

We have two instances where Cortese has responded to these rumours and for good reason.

First the rumours regarding Pardew had to be addressed, such the plans already agreed and laid out did not require major change by the manager being unsettled. Now our plans were unsettled when Pardew got the sack and you can see the effect they had. Cortese had no idea that Pardew would run the players into the ground during pre-season, against the advice of medical and other staff, resulting in his sacking.

Secondly, it should not be too difficult for you to figure out that any major sponsorship negotiations would be seriously effected by rumours in the national papers of the club beig sold.

 

 

Paranoia maybe, phissed off definitely and definitely grounds for complaint.

 

Sorry don't buy that. I can't believe the problems between AP and others didn't come to his attention during the off season, wouldn't mind bettting it was going on last season as well.

[Saint_clark]

Sorry don't buy that. I can't believe the problems between AP and others didn't come to his attention during the off season, wouldn't mind bettting it was going on last season as well.

 

Hmm...if you believe that Pardews training schedule was a rigorous during last season as it was in the off season, then that's up to you - I can remember when I read about them doing the bleep test in the baking Italian summer that I didn't envy them at all. Remember, the statement saying that Pardew would not be sacked came out not long after the season ended when players would have been on a break.

[John Boy Saint]

Jesus, evryone knows it was Jason Dodd, for Christ sakes

 

Do you think he goes home to his palatial abode after a busy day at Staplewood sits in a large imposing chair and strokes a white cat sat on his lap with a rye smile on his face?

[doddisalegend]

Hmm...if you believe that Pardews training schedule was a rigorous during last season as it was in the off season, then that's up to you - I can remember when I read about them doing the bleep test in the baking Italian summer that I didn't envy them at all. Remember, the statement saying that Pardew would not be sacked came out not long after the season ended when players would have been on a break.

 

It was more than trainning I think. Pardew old school manager wants control of all team matters, NC building new style lots of different people in control of different bits of the team = not going to work. I don't believe it was all happy families then summer comes and everyone falls out. More like a constant build up of pressure which final came to ahead but should have been sorted sooner.

[sadoldgit]

Can someone please tell me the difference between "milking the club" and being paid for services rendered? I assume that to receive a payment there must be an agreement between 2 parties. One provides a service to the other for an agreed sum. I am sure these people do not just walk in, help themselves to to till receipts and walk out again. If NC doesn't feel that they are earning their cash then surely he needs to look at who made the arrangements in the first place?

[Saint_clark]

Can someone please tell me the difference between "milking the club" and being paid for services rendered? I assume that to receive a payment there must be an agreement between 2 parties. One provides a service to the other for an agreed sum. I am sure these people do not just walk in, help themselves to to till receipts and walk out again. If NC doesn't feel that they are earning their cash then surely he needs to look at who made the arrangements in the first place?

 

Lowe, Wilde, Crouch...?

[sandwichsaint]

i guess that when we are in the process of starting over i would imagine that it is no surprise that some jealous guy will start playing mind games.

 

At the same time we fans are watching the wheels turning helplessly apart from one or two (or even 72) who want the club to give more power to the people and give peace a chance. Many feel that NC acts like GOD but I say that if we want to return to the land of milk and honey and instant karma then we have to give peace a chance and when Nicola say's "stand by me", we should. He may turn out to be a real working class hero in time.

 

Anyway, Merry Christmas, war is over.

 

 

Count them.

 

I think you need Help.

[martyg1950]

i guess that when we are in the process of starting over i would imagine that it is no surprise that some jealous guy will start playing mind games.

 

At the same time we fans are watching the wheels turning helplessly apart from one or two (or even 72) who want the club to give more power to the people and give peace a chance. Many feel that NC acts like GOD but I say that if we want to return to the land of milk and honey and instant karma then we have to give peace a chance and when Nicola say's "stand by me", we should. He may turn out to be a real working class hero in time.

 

Anyway, Merry Christmas, war is over.

 

 

Count them.

 

11 ?

[sadoldgit]

Can someone explain to me how an experienced manager so managed to f**k up a pre-season - unless it was deliberate ???

 

Another conspiracy theory Alps? Where is the evidence that the pre-season was f**ked up? Not so long ago we were being told on here that Pardew didn't work the players hard enough - now too hard. Really which is is and why when you were complaining that they wern't worked hard enough is it okay now to slate him for making them work hard. Apparently Strachan ran the players b*lls off, was that wrong? Got us to Wembley and we got back there last season. Maybe there is something to making players work hard?

[sadoldgit]

Lowe, Wilde, Crouch...?

 

Or Hooes, or Hone? Could have been anyone but if NC is alluding to LM then it won't have been Lowe will it as there was no love lost between them and he was tight with the pursestrings as we know. My money would be on Wilde.

[Thedelldays]

Another conspiracy theory Alps? Where is the evidence that the pre-season was f**ked up? Not so long ago we were being told on here that Pardew didn't work the players hard enough - now too hard. Really which is is and why when you were complaining that they wern't worked hard enough is it okay now to slate him for making them work hard. Apparently Strachan ran the players b*lls off, was that wrong? Got us to Wembley and we got back there last season. Maybe there is something to making players work hard?

 

Either way... The players were not fit to start the season

[Window Cleaner]

And you blindly believe NC about this 'milking' allegation? It wouldn't be that he has an agenda to discredit those that he feels aren't on his side.?

I'm not saying that is the case, just that there is no more reason to believe NC than anyone else.

 

Wouldn't milking the club have brought about criminal charges on behalf of those who actually lost money on the whole administration scenario.The administrators must have had the same figures I guess. Nothing happened so I would suppose that there was nothing illegal.

[sadoldgit]

Either way... The players were not fit to start the season

 

Which players? You make it sound like all of them but only Rikki has a problem. There is a difference between not playing well and not being fit. Are they any fitter or playing any better now?

[jam]

Wouldn't milking the club have brought about criminal charges on behalf of those who actually lost money on the whole administration scenario.The administrators must have had the same figures I guess. Nothing happened so I would suppose that there was nothing illegal.

 

Milking doesn't have to be illegal, and the term is a subjective one at that. It appears to me that NC's view of what constitutes milking an organisation is probably different to some that preceded him.

[Dr Who?]

Agreed keep it how it is, and hopefull NC will sort it out. I really do not want to know and do not want the club to start slinging mud!!

[Window Cleaner]

Milking doesn't have to be illegal, and the term is a subjective one at that. It appears to me that NC's view of what constitutes milking an organisation is probably different to some that preceded him.

 

In fact "milking" is illegal if it leads to bankruptcy or other payment difficulties. Not those benefiting from the affair but the directors for

sanctioning it, it's something to do with defrauding a public company by incompetence.

[jam]

Which players? You make it sound like all of them but only Rikki has a problem. There is a difference between not playing well and not being fit. Are they any fitter or playing any better now?

 

Lallana, Richardson both injured in pre-season and missed the beginning of the season, Puncheon and Morgan both had injuries in pre-season,

Mills limped out of the Reading friendly.

[jam]

In fact "milking" is illegal if it leads to bankruptcy or other payment difficulties. Not those benefiting from the affair but the directors for

sanctioning it, it's something to do with defrauding a public company by incompetence.

 

But any crime is on the part of the people making the payments, correct?

[Window Cleaner]

But any crime is on the part of the people making the payments, correct?

 

those sanctioning them.This is why Hone and Hoos etc made the non-executive directors (in the occurence Mike Richards I think) sign the contracts for certain players because they knew that hiring them under the conditions demanded was suicidal and said so at the time (but not to the general public of course).

[NickG]

And you blindly believe NC about this 'milking' allegation? It wouldn't be that he has an agenda to discredit those that he feels aren't on his side.?

I'm not saying that is the case, just that there is no more reason to believe NC than anyone else.

 

more reason in that he states his views directly on interviews - is able to be questioned or proven wrong - or sued. Don't think he has been shown to give false info, even S@@@Thorpe chairman had to back down when it was shown he was lying.

 

I would believe Cortesse over people I know personally but against anonymous posters, rumours and two lines in the sun - yes there are reasons to believe him over others.

[jam]

those sanctioning them.This is why Hone and Hoos etc made the non-executive directors (in the occurence Mike Richards I think) sign the contracts for certain players because they knew that hiring them under the conditions demanded was suicidal and said so at the time (but not to the general public of course).

 

Sorry, sanctioning is a more appropriate term.

[Window Cleaner]

Lallana, Richardson both injured in pre-season and missed the beginning of the season, Puncheon and Morgan both had injuries in pre-season,

Mills limped out of the Reading friendly.

 

maybe this bloke is what we need

 

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/12/10/2254345/incompetent-premier-league-training-methods-are-ruining

[Secret Site Agent]

Dave Jones the ex-manager or Dave Jones the ex-financial director ?

 

It wasn't Dave Jones from the Monkeys' was it?

 

Or David Bowie, maybe? His real name is Jones.

[up and away]

 

Originally Posted by Saint_clark

Hmm...if you believe that Pardews training schedule was a rigorous during last season as it was in the off season, then that's up to you - I can remember when I read about them doing the bleep test in the baking Italian summer that I didn't envy them at all. Remember, the statement saying that Pardew would not be sacked came out not long after the season ended when players would have been on a break.

 

 

It was more than trainning I think. Pardew old school manager wants control of all team matters, NC building new style lots of different people in control of different bits of the team = not going to work. I don't believe it was all happy families then summer comes and everyone falls out. More like a constant build up of pressure which final came to ahead but should have been sorted sooner.

 

I don't believe it was anything more than this, on top of the disagreement Pardew had on priorities. The reason Pardew got into this mess was because he had full control and was able to over rule other staff that had their concerns. When the damage was done, I expect the knives were out and Pardew had that dead man walking approach. I don't feel if it was ever happy families, but Pardew definitely had the whip hand to allow himself to get into that mess in the first place.

 

Originally Posted by Window Cleaner

In fact "milking" is illegal if it leads to bankruptcy or other payment difficulties. Not those benefiting from the affair but the directors for

sanctioning it, it's something to do with defrauding a public company by incompetence.

 

 

Cortese has already covered this previously. Where he states that if you want me to pay you £90k? for your services, show me the money you will bring in for this. Now when you consider that will be based upon profit, that's a tall order which none of them could justify.

[jam]

maybe this bloke is what we need

 

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/12/10/2254345/incompetent-premier-league-training-methods-are-ruining

 

Funnily enough I posted this only yesterday...

[Window Cleaner]

Funnily enough I posted this only yesterday...

 

sorry didn't read everything yesterday.....or any other day for that matter:D

[Ken Tone]

To understand NOW, you need to understand how we got here. Yes, it is great that at long last we are looking to a bright future. We were incredibly lucky to be saved by Markus and we always be indebted to him and his family. However, the reason we were brought to the brink is important and it started after we appointed Sturrock as a last minute panic appointment instead of Hoddle. We did not appoint Hoddle because of the vocal minority.

Ask yourself, why did they never reveal themselves ?

 

I am Spartacus!

 

I will have had no influence whatsoever on the decision but I was very much against re-appointing Hoddle, because of the way the man left ..not because he left, but the way in which he conducted himself when he did. He said he'd not been negotiating with Spurs when he had. He said he'd not flown to wherever it was (it was so long ago!) to talk about Spurs, then it turned out that the Spurs vice-chairman just happened to be in the same place. He sent our players off for a totally silly mid-season break before an important game, to the detriment of our club, so that he could conduct those negotiations. In my personal opinion the man is a ****. If he had returned he would have had no credibility here with fans, players or media. Your 'vocal minority' was IMO matched by a not quite so vocal majority who felt the same.

 

Got it Dalek? Now will you please shut up about bloody Hoddle?

 

K.

[MrSoft]

i guess that when we are in the process of starting over i would imagine that it is no surprise that some jealous guy will start playing mind games.

 

At the same time we fans are watching the wheels turning helplessly apart from one or two (or even 72) who want the club to give more power to the people and give peace a chance. Many feel that NC acts like GOD but I say that if we want to return to the land of milk and honey and instant karma then we have to give peace a chance and when Nicola say's "stand by me", we should. He may turn out to be a real working class hero in time.

 

Anyway, Merry Christmas, war is over.

 

 

Count them.

 

13?

[Saint_clark]

Or Hooes, or Hone? Could have been anyone but if NC is alluding to LM then it won't have been Lowe will it as there was no love lost between them and he was tight with the pursestrings as we know. My money would be on Wilde.

 

Indeed, but you said Cortese needed to look at who involved the "hangers on" in the first place - but what would that achieve? All those we've mentioned have long gone.

[jam]

sorry didn't read everything yesterday.....or any other day for that matter:D

 

It's a pretty interesting read. Of course, just because NC said the players were worked too hard on pre-season doesn't mean that they were. It's like whenever a new manager comes in, they have the honeymoon period where they can just blame the condition of the players from the previous regime.

[amsterdam]

13?

 

At least 15... But it shows real love for N(Y)C... But thinking up so many songs Hamster, I wonder, how do you sleep at night? Do you have a woman? And is she the n****r of the world? I don't think NC really likes the fame that comes with the role of chairman, but he's really trying to get us all to come together (right now); the last thing we need is a revolution (or 9). Personally I just want him to give me some truth. How? It's so hard?

 

Think you need to go cold turkey from this for a while.

 

Grow old with me,

Love,

Amsterdam

[70's Mike]

What when on in the past is in the past

not sure why NC feels people are undermining club or how they are actually doing it?

his own spats with the local and national press have caused more damage to the club than others, and yes i agree the Echo stinks and so does the Sun, but to pick fights with them leads to this position

[SaintRichmond]

Exactly.

 

I think the same, he was talking about certain people on high salaries for doing very little.

 

 

Yes

 

They were complete and utter " Drains On The Rations ", and well shot of by Mr Cortese IMHO

[djharvey]

What when on in the past is in the past

not sure why NC feels people are undermining club or how they are actually doing it?

his own spats with the local and national press have caused more damage to the club than others, and yes i agree the Echo stinks and so does the Sun, but to pick fights with them leads to this position

 

I am actually glad NC is trying to deal with these issues, there is always going to be persons/organisations out to make a few quid out of our club by causing unrest.

I fully support NC in trying to protect (not picking fights) us as much as possible, it's not easy!