Students

[Jonnyboy]

Ah...just realised I was doing the wrong rough calculation....just checked and it's £1400 per month (income tax + NI) ....so I'm only £420,000 in debt for the rest of my working life....phew! :-)

 

get a free education did you by any chance?

[Jonnyboy]

It does happen. You get the ring leaders organising and stirring things up on the internet. Often these people have no intention of turning up themselves. This imo makes them far worse than the hoodlums. In fact one cannot help but feel revulsion for such types.

 

[Thedelldays]

Why is this brought up again and again as if people aged 18-30+ dont get wasted on a weekend unless they are studying a degree - have you ever been down leisure world on a saturday night?

 

I have never met a student that did not enjoy themselves whilst studying..

not a bad lifestyle..even more so now you dont have to pay a penny up front

[Jonnyboy]

I have never met a student that did not enjoy themselves whilst studying..

not a bad lifestyle..even more so now you dont have to pay a penny up front

 

The % of working young people that enjoy a **** up is exactly the same, even those in the army or working in factories, your social life is irrelevant to this debate

[Deppo]

You get the ring leaders organising and stirring things up on the internet. Often these people have no intention of turning up themselves.

 

Oh dune, you are a funny sod. The things you come out with.

[dune]

Oh dune, you are a funny sod. The things you come out with.

 

Every time he posts it's to drag up how he interprets a post I made about a year or so ago. Therefore from now on every single time I get the "stanley" treatment i'm going to bring "Three Lions" up. I'm not proud do this, I don't want to do it, but I will do it.

[Jonnyboy]

whoosh

[dune]

whoosh

 

Maybe for you it's a whoosh moment.

[SuperMikey]

SuperDooperMikey have you attended any protests?

 

Not any of the ones in London, it costs £30 to get there and back and I don't have that kind of money. Plus, I had lectures to attend and essays to write, those are more important to me at the moment.

However, I did attend a few of the protests in Southampton, although they were very feeble and pathetic so they didn't have much impact.

[JackFrost]

The % of working young people that enjoy a **** up is exactly the same, even those in the army or working in factories, your social life is irrelevant to this debate

 

Difference is the universities are cashing in on it.

 

Bournemouth Uni for example OWNS one of the most popular nightclubs in Bournemouth (the firestation) and actively encourage students to go there 7 nights a week, and get ****ed. The deals on cheap booze are most apparent there when the new undergraduates start. The uni promote it in such a way it is the ONLY place to socialise until the students start discovering other nightclubs.

 

The University has dedicated bus services going from the uni campus, passing close to most of the student housing they own in the surrounding area, and it ends right near, you guessed it. The nightclubs. They design the 'student experience' in such a way it almost forces them to either be studying or partying.

 

This is how deep the problem of the laziness and decadence of modern students are, sure there are many that work hard and are responsible how much they drink, but the uni's actively encourage the drinking, nightclubbing and irresponsibility

Edited 10 December, 2010 by JackFrost

[Special K]

But can they be held accountable for everyone who turns up, they can't turn away undesirables from public streets can they?

 

Mick, i think they might need to re appraise the methods they use to demonstrate. Yeah, i think they need to be held accountable. We don't need to see this sort of thing again, it's almost as boring as one of Verbals condensending diatribes. It's in their interests to promote their cause in a way that makes them more likely to achieve their objectives.

[dune]

Mick, i think they might need to re appraise the methods they use to demonstrate. Yeah, i think they need to be held accountable. We don't need to see this sort of thing again, it's almost as boring as one of Verbals condensending diatribes. It's in their interests to promote their cause in a way that makes them more likely to achieve their objectives.

 

To be fair to the students it's just a tiny fraction that are playing right into the hands of the government. It's far left groups (whitechapel anarchists/UAF thugs/Marxists etc) that have seized the opportunity to jump on this and try to whip up youngsters who are immature and will not engage their brains before putting their fists into gear. These people don't care about tuition fee's, they just want to see our Western christian system brought to it's knees. Think of the G20 protests and the people who run riot at these conferences and these are the people who are behind the violence and mindless vandalism at the student protests. I think most sensible people realise this and it's because of this that the British public will not tolerate it.

 

We are Northern European Germanic people, and as such we are Conservative thinking people. Such action could happen in Latin Europe, but in Britain it will never win public support. It's not in our mindset to support anarchy.

Edited 10 December, 2010 by dune

[Jonnyboy]

To be fair to the students it's just a tiny fraction that are playing right into the hands of the government. It's far left groups (whitechapel anarchists/UAF thugs/Marxists etc) that have seized the opportunity to jump on this and try to whip up youngsters who are immature and will not engage their brains before putting their fists into gear. These people don't care about tuition fee's, they just want to see our Western christian system brought to it's knees. Think of the G20 protests and the people who run riot at these conferences and these are the people who are behind the violence and mindless vandalism at the student protests. I think most sensible people realise this and it's because of this that the British public will not tolerate it.

 

We are Northern European Germanic people, and as such we are Conservative thinking people. Such action could happen in Latin Europe, but in Britain it will never win public support. It's not in our mindset to support anarchy.

 

sounds BNP to me

 

my political thought is not dtermined by my skin colour or ancestry thank you.

[Saintandy666]

Kettling makes peaceful protesters violent. How do I know? I was there yesterday. Police were indiscriminately batoning people VERY hard. A lot of them just seemed to be confused, scared and just wanted to get out. I tried to speak to the riot police but they just move at you with batons. I don't get why they had to move forward several metres every few minutes? It just makes every more and more squashed together and agitated. There should ALWAYS be an exit... even if people can't get back in through that exit(though I'd object to that), but that should be the absolute minimum. Running horses and riot police hitting people into dead ends helps nothing. This is what I saw yesterday with my own eyes so please don't question it. I'm not angry at any of the police as a whole, but there is seriously something wrong with this tactic, it helps and solves nothing and there was definite intimidation on both sides because of the tactics used.

 

On the issue of the fees, which is what is most important; not only are they extortionately high, most will NEVER finish paying off the debt. There is going to be a massive black hole in the university system, some subjects(arts and humanities to name a few...) are basically losing all their government funding.

[Thedelldays]

Lol police batoning people.. Hard

 

No way, they don't use them to tickle you.. When you look at the alternative methods if policing... You will be thankfull of the current procedures.

 

 

 

You won't see policing as soft in many countries

[Jonnyboy]

Lol police batoning people.. Hard

 

No way, they don't use them to tickle you.. When you look at the alternative methods if policing... You will be thankfull of the current procedures.

 

 

 

You won't see policing as soft in many countries

 

our police can do no wrong

 

didnt you see that show coppers the other day?

[Thedelldays]

our police can do no wrong

 

didnt you see that show coppers the other day?

 

Of course they can do wrong.. They will always get things wrong

 

But let's not pretend that nothing would have flared up.. Smashed up if the police stood back and let them run riot. of course.. The paint balls, the snooker balls, the other deadly weapons were not all brought along for the especially for the day

[Jonnyboy]

Of course they can do wrong.. They will always get things wrong

 

But let's not pretend that nothing would have flared up.. Smashed up if the police stood back and let them run riot..

 

seems to me that most of the offenders were 16 year old chavs and gangbangers with too much tetosterone who fancied a ruck, not people who will ever be going to uni anyway

[Thedelldays]

seems to me that most of the offenders were 16 year old chavs and gangbangers with too much tetosterone who fancied a ruck, not people who will ever be going to uni anyway

 

Yeah.. That guy swinging off the cenotaph is a 16 year old waster and not a student is he..

[Deppo]

Yeah.. That guy swinging off the cenotaph is a 16 year old waster and not a student is he..

 

Exactly. That one person wasn't a 16 year-old waster and we can extrapolate that one person to conclude that most of the offenders weren't 16 year-old wasters. Case closed, m'lud.

[aintforever]

The police's aggressive kettling is a big problem IMO. I think they like to do because it keeps everyone one place and simplifies their job but I reckon violence increases as a result. The problem is some people who have no intention of causing trouble end up getting provoked.

 

After the Millwall match last season we ended up being penned in by the cops purely because we happened to be stood next to some "potential trouble makers". It's not fun and one by one the odd lad who'd had a few too many would lose it, and you can't blame them because you are having your rights ****ed on just because of the type of sport you chose to watch. Plus alot of the cops in the Met are just dicks who enjoy a ruck.

[Jonnyboy]

seems to me that most of the offenders were 16 year old chavs and gangbangers with too much tetosterone who fancied a ruck, not people who will ever be going to uni anyway

 

ahem

[Jonnyboy]

The police's aggressive kettling is a big problem IMO. I think they like to do because it keeps everyone one place and simplifies their job but I reckon violence increases as a result. The problem is some people who have no intention of causing trouble end up getting provoked.

 

After the Millwall match last season we ended up being penned in by the cops purely because we happened to be stood next to some "potential trouble makers". It's not fun and one by one the odd lad who'd had a few too many would lose it, and you can't blame them because you are having your rights ****ed on just because of the type of sport you chose to watch. Plus alot of the cops in the Met are just dicks who enjoy a ruck.

 

especially the part-timers, normally in security, bouncers, ex-forces etc

[Thedelldays]

If kettling is not the answer... What is??

 

Gasing?

Water cannons..?

More use of the baton..?

Plastic bullets..?

 

As these are some of the alternatives

[Johnny Bognor]

You won't see policing as soft in many countries

 

Indeed, remember the student protests in Tiananmen Square?

 

Based on estimates, up to 3000 massacared.

 

I know there are a few commies one here, perhaps we should adopt the commie way of dealing with students?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Kettling makes peaceful protesters violent. How do I know? I was there yesterday. Police were indiscriminately batoning people VERY hard. A lot of them just seemed to be confused, scared and just wanted to get out. I tried to speak to the riot police but they just move at you with batons. I don't get why they had to move forward several metres every few minutes? It just makes every more and more squashed together and agitated. There should ALWAYS be an exit... even if people can't get back in through that exit(though I'd object to that), but that should be the absolute minimum. Running horses and riot police hitting people into dead ends helps nothing. This is what I saw yesterday with my own eyes so please don't question it. I'm not angry at any of the police as a whole, but there is seriously something wrong with this tactic, it helps and solves nothing and there was definite intimidation on both sides because of the tactics used.

 

On the issue of the fees, which is what is most important; not only ar they extortionately high, most will NEVER finish paying off the debt. There is going to be a massive black hole in the university system, some subjects(arts and humanities to name a few...) are basically losing all their government funding.

 

Written off after 30 years I thought. And by the way, those fees are 60% of the cost of the education. You do realise the fees are still subsidised?

 

The police have a hard job. If you are kettled. Sit down, **** up, behave and eventually you'll be let out. If you part of a protest that goes bad then I am afraid that is what must happen.

[RedAndWhite91]

If kettling is not the answer... What is??

 

Gasing?

Water cannons..?

More use of the baton..?

Plastic bullets..?

 

As these are some of the alternatives

 

I can't believe some of these students complained at the force used by the police; they were running riot through London FFS!

 

Water cannon would do the job dispersing the crowd, plastic bullets if things got really bad, can't see no harm in that. Nothing wrong with using the baton on them, it hurts and it certainly makes you think twice, might knock a bit of sense into these horrible little so and so's.

[Sheaf Saint]

To be fair to the students it's just a tiny fraction that are playing right into the hands of the government. It's far left groups (whitechapel anarchists/UAF thugs/Marxists etc) that have seized the opportunity to jump on this and try to whip up youngsters who are immature and will not engage their brains before putting their fists into gear. These people don't care about tuition fee's, they just want to see our Western christian system brought to it's knees. Think of the G20 protests and the people who run riot at these conferences and these are the people who are behind the violence and mindless vandalism at the student protests. I think most sensible people realise this and it's because of this that the British public will not tolerate it.

 

It was soooo predictable that you would, at some point, make this connection dune; seeing as you can't resist the opportunity to turn any thread into a personal rant about the far left and your belief in western christian values (I suggest you read about the origins of Christianity to appreciate the contradiction here) but I would be interested to know how you know this. I respectfully request that you present some evidence to back up your claim that the violence we saw on thursday was organised by the UAF.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It was soooo predictable that you would, at some point, make this connection dune; seeing as you can't resist the opportunity to turn any thread into a personal rant about the far left and your belief in western christian values (I suggest you read about the origins of Christianity to appreciate the contradiction here) but I would be interested to know how you know this. I respectfully request that you present some evidence to back up your claim that the violence we saw on thursday was organised by the UAF.

 

I know for a fact it WAS the Whitechapel Anarchists, as well as a newly formed left wing group called the Revolutionists. Not sure on UAF though.

 

Edit: looked online and there are reports that a lot of violence was instigated by well known members of the UAF and EDL.

Edited 11 December, 2010 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

To be fair to the students it's just a tiny fraction that are playing right into the hands of the government. It's far left groups (whitechapel anarchists/UAF thugs/Marxists etc) that have seized the opportunity to jump on this and try to whip up youngsters who are immature and will not engage their brains before putting their fists into gear. These people don't care about tuition fee's, they just want to see our Western christian system brought to it's knees. Think of the G20 protests and the people who run riot at these conferences and these are the people who are behind the violence and mindless vandalism at the student protests. I think most sensible people realise this and it's because of this that the British public will not tolerate it.

 

We are Northern European Germanic people, and as such we are Conservative thinking people. Such action could happen in Latin Europe, but in Britain it will never win public support. It's not in our mindset to support anarchy.

 

Boring.

[Gingeletiss]

Having now read several 'media' accounts of the so called peacefull student protest, including the fact that one delightfull person, found it funny to poke Camilla with a stick, I defy any one apart from Thorpe-Le-Saint on this forum to say that they now think that right belongs to the student body. Only a portion of the damage caused has been put up on here, and any one, who thinks attacking horses with sticks paint snooker balls and fireworks, is their right, is frankly, sick in the head.

 

It seems that the world has gone mad, cuts need to be made, or else, we as a nation will go bankrupt. I lost pay last year, did not get a pay rise this year, and will not get a pay rise next year, thats working in the private sector. During the same period, Labour were handing out money to all and sunder, and that my red and white friends, is why we are in the position we are today, make no mistake about that. The proposals put foward about student fees, are fair, so to see the level of incomprehension about them, by the very people they affect, is quite alarming.

Edited 11 December, 2010 by Gingeletiss
Just seen Leftie-Le-Saint above

[dune]

Indeed, remember the student protests in Tiananmen Square?

 

Based on estimates, up to 3000 massacared.

 

I know there are a few commies one here, perhaps we should adopt the commie way of dealing with students?

 

I think you'll find our pet Marxists are a bit muddled in their ideologies.

[dune]

It was soooo predictable that you would, at some point, make this connection dune; seeing as you can't resist the opportunity to turn any thread into a personal rant about the far left and your belief in western christian values (I suggest you read about the origins of Christianity to appreciate the contradiction here) but I would be interested to know how you know this. I respectfully request that you present some evidence to back up your claim that the violence we saw on thursday was organised by the UAF.

 

Ignorance is bliss. Everyone knows that the ringleaders of the trouble are far left yobs.

[dune]

looked online and there are reports that a lot of violence was instigated by well known members of the UAF.

 

Bexy and Thorpie I will accept your apology.

[Jonnyboy]

I can't believe some of these students complained at the force used by the police; they were running riot through London FFS!

 

Water cannon would do the job dispersing the crowd, plastic bullets if things got really bad, can't see no harm in that. Nothing wrong with using the baton on them, it hurts and it certainly makes you think twice, might knock a bit of sense into these horrible little so and so's.

 

why not listen to someone who was there

 

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/blogs/talking_politics/eyewitness-at-the-parliament-square-demo-p152963.html

[Jonnyboy]

I know for a fact it WAS the Whitechapel Anarchists, as well as a newly formed left wing group called the Revolutionists. Not sure on UAF though.

 

Edit: looked online and there are reports that a lot of violence was instigated by well known members of the UAF and EDL.

 

Or maybe it was you dune?

[Jonnyboy]

Bexy and Thorpie I will accept your apology.

 

Yeah editing your quotes really supports your argument.

[dune]

Or maybe it was you dune?

 

http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3986734/

 

As much as you'd love to pin the trouble on the EDL it is absolute nonsense to suggest they were involved. Make no mistake the trouble was instigated by Anarchists/Marxists.

[Jonnyboy]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3986734/

 

As much as you'd love to pin the trouble on the EDL it is absolute nonsense to suggest they were involved. Make no mistake the trouble was instigated by Anarchists/Marxists.

 

Nope I pin it on the police, youngs chavs and some stupid students.

 

plus I dont think the trouble was that bad, just a bit of a mess.

 

Id take a **** on a piece of stone if that was the only place I could.

[dune]

Nope I pin it on the police, youngs chavs and some stupid students.

 

That just shows how ignorant you are. Far left groups (UAF thugs/Anarchists/Marxists) are the instigators of the trouble.

 

Let's have a look at one of their websites...

 

http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/

 

“Any right minded individual witnessing today’s violence would want to condemn it” – Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Paul Stevenson on Sky News last night.

 

**** Off! You’d be mad not to love it.

 

That was the view of the Whitechapel Anarchists.

 

 

 

Contrast this with the EDL forum and it's members being completely against what has happened.

[dune]

The Full article from the Far Left Anarchist website...

 

“Any right minded individual witnessing today’s violence would want to condemn it” – Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Paul Stevenson on Sky News last night.

 

**** Off! You’d be mad not to love it.

 

WAG were proud to be out yesterday and proud to be a part of the best protest in Britain for years. Last night demonstrators battled the police, smashed up the treasury, attacked Courts AND had a crack at the royal family. Could you have a better attack on the state?

 

Every person who landed a blow to a copper, a brick through a window or a dent in the car of the parasitic royals is a Working Class Hero. Not one of them should ever have to buy a drink again, and there’s soo ****ing many of them.

 

We were a bit knackered from heckling inside the Tower Hamlets council meeting on Wednesday but got out for the day early to join in the protests against the tripling of university fees and EMA being abolished. We got to Trafalgar Square for 12 and watched the groups gather until the main march reached the area, we watched the crowds float past and knew it would kick off. There were a lot of students, hardly any stewards. In the crowds there were loads of homemade banners, a fair few black flags and masses of heavy looking masked up kids. The kind of youth that when you see them on the street at night you want to cross over the road to avoid passing them. Brilliant. The air was electric, the last two protests had hammered home their ideas with violence; you could tell that this one would end the same, this was the last chance to save affordable education.

 

The crowds moved forward trudging towards parliament, we followed at the back and gasped in disbelief as we watched nearly the whole march walk slowly into a giant kettle. We held back, seeing people in the know splitting off from the main march and then watched as bit by bit the police trap closed.

 

We walked back up to Trafalgar square, heads down, there was no chance of the cuts being resisted tonight if everyone was standing around in a kettle. We found crowds milling around at the top of Whitehall, more and more people were hanging around there.

 

Boredom set in, it looked as if nothing was going to happen. Thousands of protestors would watch massive cuts to education come in as they stood in a monotonous police controlled space. Then reports started come to us from inside the parliament square kettle. Reports of violence, the people trapped by the police were resisting!

 

Most of our lot went to the pub to warm up for later. I walked down, using side streets to doge police lines and get as close to the kettle as possible. At the edge I saw a vast amount of riot police, horses and vans. I could just hear and catch glimpses of clashes.

 

I watched four police carrying a knocked out copper away from the angry mob, and followed them up a side street to see more coppers being treated by medics as they lay on the street, most unconscious. ****ing ace.

 

I walked back up to meet with the other WAGs and got a call that a crew had broken out and were heading up. We caught the crowd and swept down Whitehall with them until we smashed into a line of police, scuffles started. Fires sprung up around us as the crowd lingered. We decided to move off seeing the police regrouping.

 

As we turned we saw a line of filth walking down truncheons and shields in hand. ****! We’d been so interested in the front of the crowd we hadn’t kept an eye on our backs and now a police kettle was closing in. We dashed to the side vaulting a fence opposite downing street, many of the young stopping to help the elderly and less healthy over the fence. Once over we darted up an ally, people at the end feeling the breath of riot police on the back of their necks.

 

We burst out onto the street just behind the kettle. Close one. Our lot regrouped and found more crowds of angry protesters. We soon realised there wouldn’t be an attempt to trap any more of use, the side streets to Whitehall were filled with police vans, all empty. Every reserve copper was down in Parliament Square trying to control the more intense fighting.

 

The mob began to grow, more and more bottles and bricks were being thrown with some powerful fireworks set off at the police. After an hour of hanging around with this half-hearted struggling, news came out of the vote being passed. The Tories had won. Suddenly the crowd turned, with shouts of “OXFORD STREET” filling the air. They began marching up, a chant beginning and joined in by all of us of “KILL THE QUEEN, KILL THE QUEEN, KILL THE QUEEN” …. what a chant.

 

The mobs numbered swelled to over a thousand as Trafalgar square was taken over. Hundreds began leaving to march up on the roads, shouting otherwise peacefully, until we reached the bottom of Oxford Street. Large barriers to road works were smashed out of place and pulled into the roads making barricades, blocking the path of any police vans.

 

The mob descended down the street stopping at the tax dodging Vodaphone and Top Shop, doors were locked to the stores before anyone could get in so boots and ammo went flying at the shop windows. The crowd kept moving, using the roads to travel further up, numbers began to drop off and finally we started to hear police sirens. We decided to step back and moved down the road.

 

As we walked back we saw a second crew were having a crack at Top Shop, we saw protester and Christmas shoppers becoming one. The police protecting the stores confused and ****ed off that they couldn’t identify the surrounding mob of vandals. We carried on to Trafalgar square. Police were everywhere. We knew there was still fighting outside Parliament but had no way of getting them help, time to **** off.

 

As we left we heard that Camilla and Charles car had been done in by the oxford street mob. **** we must have missed that by moments. Smiles spread over all our faces, these royal Muppets had decided that it was safe enough for them to swan around on our streets and had paint thrown over their car and the windows smashed. Best news of the day.

 

On the tube back to Tower Hamlets we joked around, the students had lost. But these kids were really ****ed off, when the Tories come for the NHS or move in on housing benefit these kids will be back on the streets, with their parents. Knowing that in order to win we need more violence on the streets. More smashed windows, more hospitalised coppers and many more assaults on royals.

[Viking Warrior]

Interesting article Due, Just shows what a bunch of cretins they are no respect for anyone but themselves

[Jonnyboy]

That just shows how ignorant you are. Far left groups (UAF thugs/Anarchists/Marxists) are the instigators of the trouble.

 

Let's have a look at one of their websites...

 

http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/

 

“Any right minded individual witnessing today’s violence would want to condemn it” – Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Paul Stevenson on Sky News last night.

 

**** Off! You’d be mad not to love it.

 

That was the view of the Whitechapel Anarchists.

 

 

 

Contrast this with the EDL forum and it's members being completely against what has happened.

 

just cos a few idiots from uaf are getting involved doesnt mean it was organised by them does it?

 

stop bringing them and edf into it, that is a separate issue

 

the VAST majority of organising and participants involved are NUS

[Jonnyboy]

The Full article from the Far Left Anarchist website...

 

“Any right minded individual witnessing today’s violence would want to condemn it” – Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Paul Stevenson on Sky News last night.

 

**** Off! You’d be mad not to love it.

 

WAG were proud to be out yesterday and proud to be a part of the best protest in Britain for years. Last night demonstrators battled the police, smashed up the treasury, attacked Courts AND had a crack at the royal family. Could you have a better attack on the state?

 

Every person who landed a blow to a copper, a brick through a window or a dent in the car of the parasitic royals is a Working Class Hero. Not one of them should ever have to buy a drink again, and there’s soo ****ing many of them.

 

We were a bit knackered from heckling inside the Tower Hamlets council meeting on Wednesday but got out for the day early to join in the protests against the tripling of university fees and EMA being abolished. We got to Trafalgar Square for 12 and watched the groups gather until the main march reached the area, we watched the crowds float past and knew it would kick off. There were a lot of students, hardly any stewards. In the crowds there were loads of homemade banners, a fair few black flags and masses of heavy looking masked up kids. The kind of youth that when you see them on the street at night you want to cross over the road to avoid passing them. Brilliant. The air was electric, the last two protests had hammered home their ideas with violence; you could tell that this one would end the same, this was the last chance to save affordable education.

 

The crowds moved forward trudging towards parliament, we followed at the back and gasped in disbelief as we watched nearly the whole march walk slowly into a giant kettle. We held back, seeing people in the know splitting off from the main march and then watched as bit by bit the police trap closed.

 

We walked back up to Trafalgar square, heads down, there was no chance of the cuts being resisted tonight if everyone was standing around in a kettle. We found crowds milling around at the top of Whitehall, more and more people were hanging around there.

 

Boredom set in, it looked as if nothing was going to happen. Thousands of protestors would watch massive cuts to education come in as they stood in a monotonous police controlled space. Then reports started come to us from inside the parliament square kettle. Reports of violence, the people trapped by the police were resisting!

 

Most of our lot went to the pub to warm up for later. I walked down, using side streets to doge police lines and get as close to the kettle as possible. At the edge I saw a vast amount of riot police, horses and vans. I could just hear and catch glimpses of clashes.

 

I watched four police carrying a knocked out copper away from the angry mob, and followed them up a side street to see more coppers being treated by medics as they lay on the street, most unconscious. ****ing ace.

 

I walked back up to meet with the other WAGs and got a call that a crew had broken out and were heading up. We caught the crowd and swept down Whitehall with them until we smashed into a line of police, scuffles started. Fires sprung up around us as the crowd lingered. We decided to move off seeing the police regrouping.

 

As we turned we saw a line of filth walking down truncheons and shields in hand. ****! We’d been so interested in the front of the crowd we hadn’t kept an eye on our backs and now a police kettle was closing in. We dashed to the side vaulting a fence opposite downing street, many of the young stopping to help the elderly and less healthy over the fence. Once over we darted up an ally, people at the end feeling the breath of riot police on the back of their necks.

 

We burst out onto the street just behind the kettle. Close one. Our lot regrouped and found more crowds of angry protesters. We soon realised there wouldn’t be an attempt to trap any more of use, the side streets to Whitehall were filled with police vans, all empty. Every reserve copper was down in Parliament Square trying to control the more intense fighting.

 

The mob began to grow, more and more bottles and bricks were being thrown with some powerful fireworks set off at the police. After an hour of hanging around with this half-hearted struggling, news came out of the vote being passed. The Tories had won. Suddenly the crowd turned, with shouts of “OXFORD STREET” filling the air. They began marching up, a chant beginning and joined in by all of us of “KILL THE QUEEN, KILL THE QUEEN, KILL THE QUEEN” …. what a chant.

 

The mobs numbered swelled to over a thousand as Trafalgar square was taken over. Hundreds began leaving to march up on the roads, shouting otherwise peacefully, until we reached the bottom of Oxford Street. Large barriers to road works were smashed out of place and pulled into the roads making barricades, blocking the path of any police vans.

 

The mob descended down the street stopping at the tax dodging Vodaphone and Top Shop, doors were locked to the stores before anyone could get in so boots and ammo went flying at the shop windows. The crowd kept moving, using the roads to travel further up, numbers began to drop off and finally we started to hear police sirens. We decided to step back and moved down the road.

 

As we walked back we saw a second crew were having a crack at Top Shop, we saw protester and Christmas shoppers becoming one. The police protecting the stores confused and ****ed off that they couldn’t identify the surrounding mob of vandals. We carried on to Trafalgar square. Police were everywhere. We knew there was still fighting outside Parliament but had no way of getting them help, time to **** off.

 

As we left we heard that Camilla and Charles car had been done in by the oxford street mob. **** we must have missed that by moments. Smiles spread over all our faces, these royal Muppets had decided that it was safe enough for them to swan around on our streets and had paint thrown over their car and the windows smashed. Best news of the day.

 

On the tube back to Tower Hamlets we joked around, the students had lost. But these kids were really ****ed off, when the Tories come for the NHS or move in on housing benefit these kids will be back on the streets, with their parents. Knowing that in order to win we need more violence on the streets. More smashed windows, more hospitalised coppers and many more assaults on royals.

 

not entirely selfish viking

 

yes this one person has a bad attitude but from what he writes it was observing large numbers of students get kettled, no violence described

[Gingeletiss]

not entirely selfish viking

 

yes this one person has a bad attitude but from what he writes it was observing large numbers of students get kettled, no violence described

 

Are you actually blind to the TV coverage, or do you suffer from selective vision?

[Jonnyboy]

Are you actually blind to the TV coverage, or do you suffer from selective vision?

 

read the whole thread please

[the wedge]

F*cking teenagers, they're all lazy morons with nothing to do all day, moaning about the 3 hours of lectures they have to go to a week.

 

For what it's worth, I might put in some facts about an admittedly small minority of students, but a significant one at that.

 

I'm an arts student, a drama one. I go to an accredited drama school that's affiliated to the University of London. So being a specialised institution I spend more than 3 hours a week there. In fact I'm in from 830am til roughly 7/730pm 5 days a week. When there are performances on, I won't leave til gone 10pm, 5 days a week.

 

With the planned cuts to the arts institutions, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CUTS to government funding, my uni will go under. According to the principal of the college, each student costs circa 15k a year to educate at my uni. £3000 is through fees, the rest from funding and private investors. So even at £9000, the uni will not function without the government funding, which has now been swept from beneath us.

 

The arts are bearing a significant proportion of the cuts, and it's going to be everyone that suffers for it. It might not seem important to most people, but we happen to lead the world in this field, and it's one of the few industries that we still do. We have been staging protests in London with the rest of the ULU and the NUS, but from what I've seen from the peaceful end of the spectrum, the minority have let us down.

 

Not all students are lazy, useless, ignorant people. But unfortunately too many are.

[Saintandy666]

I don't see why we should sit down and shut up just because we decided to protest. The protest was largely peaceful until the police started kettling and intimidating. They planned to kettle from the beginning again... and as I said before indiscriminately picking people out and hitting them with batons is not on. Especially if people are just standing there doing not much. After what I saw on Thursday, I'm shocked only one poor kid ended up having to have a life saving operation.

 

The tactic needs to change, it's winds everyone up on both sides.

[Gingeletiss]

I don't see why we should sit down and shut up just because we decided to protest. The protest was largely peaceful until the police started kettling and intimidating. They planned to kettle from the beginning again... and as I said before indiscriminately picking people out and hitting them with batons is not on. Especially if people are just standing there doing not much. After what I saw on Thursday, I'm shocked only one poor kid ended up having to have a life saving operation.

 

The tactic needs to change, it's winds everyone up on both sides.

 

Oh poor you, bless!!

 

Guess the TV pictures were all made up.........on all three occasions you have blessed the capital with your yobbish presence. Our future, God help us all!

[Smirking_Saint]

I don't see why we should sit down and shut up just because we decided to protest. The protest was largely peaceful until the police started kettling and intimidating. They planned to kettle from the beginning again... and as I said before indiscriminately picking people out and hitting them with batons is not on. Especially if people are just standing there doing not much. After what I saw on Thursday, I'm shocked only one poor kid ended up having to have a life saving operation.

 

The tactic needs to change, it's winds everyone up on both sides.

 

Do f*ck off,

 

The way (and i will admit it was the minority) your lot acted, smashing up the royal car, defacing famous monuments and attempting to break into the treasury as well as throwing missles and generally acting in a very violent manner has somewhat dumbed down the arguement towards police brutality.

 

As for them randomly hitting out etc, the police are not mindless robots, they are human beings too and ones that were, if it all got really nasty, completely outnumbered. The police acted in a way to attempt to quell the violence and attempted to stamp and authority on the proceedings. As much as anything else i expect a fair few of them were incredibly scared by the sheer size of it all.

 

And all for what exactly ?? Raising of tuition fees ? Get over it, it is barely going to affect the majority and as i have said a hundred times before you are going to be investing into your future. The main bulk of students will still go to university as they know they need to in order to progress in their chosen career path and will be rewarded at the end. What it will do, hopefully is remove a lot of the dead wood that will no longer be able to choose university as it enables them to steer clear of work for another few years.

 

The violence was a complete and utter disgrace, and how any of those that attended can come out with the old clap trap that it was caused by the police is an equal disgrace IMO.