Jonnyboy Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 This is probably the biggest load of b0ll0x ever posted on this forum, and that's taking Dune & St George into account. statistically true im afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2010 the vote has ben passed.. thank god for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 By Jove....I've worked out what the problem is here. It's the mis-labelling of the student fees as "debt". The student fees aren't 'debt' in the true sense of the word. It's effectively a future monthly payment to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. In other words it's a relatively small amount of additional tax wrapped up indifferent words. I know that I will have to pay the exchequer around £2,000 a month for the next 25 years or so. Does that make me in debt by £50,000 as of today? Using the same logic as the anti fees brigade, the answer is yes. Everyone: take a step back for a moment and look at the fees in a new light - they are simply an extension to your monthly/annual/lifetime tax commitments. And those who are better off tend to pay more tax. It all seems pretty logical to me. It's the mis-use of the word 'debt' that is confusing people... Strewth, I'm too profound for my own good sometimes.... ;-) Actually, make that 12 x £50,000 in debt - forgot it was a monthly tax bill! So I'm over half a million in 'debt' to the country as things stand! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 the vote has ben passed.. thank god for that Hooray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2010 lol at the idiots saying the libdems have broken their promise.. do they not get the concept of a "coalition" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2010 (edited) extreme violence towards coppers.. breeze block thrown at police from high buildings... pretty severe really edit - now protesters smashing up the treasury.. what a great protest.....fuking morons Edited 9 December, 2010 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Hooray it passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 im all for degrees in medicine, engineering etc to be paid for.....but media studies, david beckham studies and the like..?? nah... lol at the students shouting "tory scum"...do they not realise labour would have done the same..? A lot of them are probably too young to remember when Labour introduced them at 3 grand a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 extreme violence towards coppers.. breeze block thrown at police from high buildings... pretty severe really edit - now protesters smashing up the treasury.. what a great protest.....fuking morons Bless them, They really are proving what a great bunch of people they are. Also have you heard half of the interviews from the students ?? 'Its imparrin' are humin rites innit' Hardly sound like future graduates to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Well i think the students were right to stand up for what they believe in.Shame the condem government has shafted them and future generations.Lets hope there are more demos against this governments loopy policy of cuts and sackings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Well at least on this thread we've managed to concentrate all the repressed rage and boiling envy in one place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Well i think the students were right to stand up for what they believe in.Shame the condem government has shafted them and future generations.Lets hope there are more demos against this governments loopy policy of cuts and sackings. Bet the last Labour crew are laughing, they cause all these issues and when the coalition attempts the clean them up they get slammed for it. FWIW i don't get what the big issue is, its not like they have to pay the money up front nor in many circumstances pay off the balance. I hate the fact that so many of us believe the world owes us a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2010 I do laugh.. we think it is our god given right to abuse the police..throw breeze blocks at them..throw snooker balls at them, throw fireworks at them..shoot projectiles at them...and them claim police brutality when get a whack with a baton.. I am amazed how liberal our police are in the face of such provocation today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 I hope they go home now the vote has been passed. They could get a job in McDonalds or something. They can start at the bottom and work their way up to become a manager of their own shop within a few years. They'll have no debt to pay and what a future!!! Within a few years they could be managing an whole area and have over 28 days annual leave and free Big Mac meals for their family. Choice - 21k debt, pic of you in a cap and gown with a pointless certificate [ok, it proves that you can learn, albeit in most cases though, nothing worthwhile] or running a McDonalds, no debt and free meals? My mate started sweeping the floor in 99p stores, two years later he was promoted to working on the tills and his manager says if he carries on developing at such a rate then there is every chance that he could get promoted to the early morning/late night roster. This in itself shows that this isn't the end for students, there are always opportunities to develop your skills, you've just got to work at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 I hope they go home now the vote has been passed. They could get a job in McDonalds or something. They can start at the bottom and work their way up to become a manager of their own shop within a few years. They'll have no debt to pay and what a future!!! Within a few years they could be managing an whole area and have over 28 days annual leave and free Big Mac meals for their family. Choice - 21k debt, pic of you in a cap and gown with a pointless certificate [ok, it proves that you can learn, albeit in most cases though, nothing worthwhile] or running a McDonalds, no debt and free meals? My mate started sweeping the floor in 99p stores, two years later he was promoted to working on the tills and his manager says if he carries on developing at such a rate then there is every chance that he could get promoted to the early morning/late night roster. This in itself shows that this isn't the end for students, there are always opportunities to develop your skills, you've just got to work at it. That's IT? That's the choice??? Albania here we come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Bet the last Labour crew are laughing, they cause all these issues and when the coalition attempts the clean them up they get slammed for it. FWIW i don't get what the big issue is, its not like they have to pay the money up front nor in many circumstances pay off the balance. I hate the fact that so many of us believe the world owes us a living. I dont think anyone thinks they are owed a living,but surely our youth is allowed to have access to higher edcucation,without having a lifetime of debt?Isnt this what the ministers that serve in the government already had?What the condems have voted for,will result in a lot less students from average backgrounds,while students from rich families having more choice. As for blaming Labour for this mess,i seem to remember it was caused by greedy bankers and a few Americans defaulting on their mortgages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 (edited) Are you sure Mikey? It seems to me that the past three demonstrations - is that all of them? - have definitely involved thuggish behaviour! First there was the attempted murder from the fire extinguisher thrower, that would be classed as thuggish wouldn't it? That one also included the unlawful entry of a building, which then got 'trashed' and lots of the furniture set on fire, surely that's bordering on thuggish isn't it? Then the next demonstration involved the students destroying a police van, setting off the fire extinguishers, stealing all the equipment from inside it - are we getting close to thuggish yet? Then there's todays 'demonstration' which according to the pictures being shown on Sky news appear to be pretty thuggish to me. Perhaps someone has re-drawn the boundaries on what is and isn't thuggish behaviour and not told me - presumably they haven't told the judges sitting on the various 'football violence' cases either, as I saw lots of fence shaking today on the news, which is apperently - according to the judge - very thuggish behaviour. Possibly a poor choice of language on my part there, I will change that to 'pointless violence'. The EDL have no political agenda really, except pointless racially aggravated violence (imo). The students are protesting against a political change, a political cause. I think the violence of the protests is slightly OTT, but a hell of a lot of people are very p!ssed off about the proposed (now actual) changes. I'm not using anger to justify the violence, people have got hurt, but people inevitably do stupid things when they get caught up in an angry mob. I'll say again, I don't know a single student who was anything but peaceful at the protests across the country. You'll invariably see people smashing up buildings and throwing missiles, but what you won't see on the news is the tens of thousands who are protesting peacefully and properly. Edited 9 December, 2010 by SuperMikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Glad it has passed. It's a good proposal for Britain and perfectly fair. Waaaay back in this thread someone was quoting potential students from low income families saying they were put off doing a course by the high levels of debt. GOOD! They can f**k off and not do the course. Not being able to pay for uni is one thing but not being WILLING to pay for it is completely different. If you don't have the belief to see a course through and have a sound plan for getting a job on the end of it, you should not being going to uni. This is what a uni student should be: "I want to become a XXXXX For this I will need a degree in XXXXX I'm not able to pay for this course, but when I have completed it and got a job and CAN afford it, I intend to repay the tax payer in full". This is what a student should not be: "I've just left school and I was never that good and didn't really get decent grades. I don't really know what I want to do as a career yet, but I kinda like doing XXXXX and want the life experience of going to uni. I'm not so sure I want to do XXXX any more because the new tuition fees mean I will have to repay all the costs when I get a job." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Having watched videos of the protests and spoken to a few mates that were there, the police were inciting violence. Charging into a crowd with police horses? F*cking moronic police tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Possibly a poor choice of language on my part there, I will change that to 'pointless violence'. The EDL have no political agenda really, except pointless racially aggravated violence (imo). The students are protesting against a constitutional change, a political cause. I think the violence of the protests is slightly OTT, but a hell of a lot of people are very p!ssed off about the proposed (now actual) changes. I'm not using anger to justify the violence, people have got hurt, but people inevitably do stupid things when they get caught up in an angry mob. I'll say again, I don't know a single student who was anything but peaceful at the protests across the country. You'll invariably see people smashing up buildings and throwing missiles, but what you won't see on the news is the tens of thousands who are protesting peacefully and properly. Eh? No they're not. I take it the world has appointed you to decide what are valid causes for violent protests and which aren't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Eh? No they're not. I take it the world has appointed you to decide what are valid causes for violent protests and which aren't? Bollicks, wrong word again. I would say that a politically charged protest is more viable than a racially charged one tbh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Ok, why go to university? For some professions its a necessity - doctors engineers vets etc. Others for academia or research. Beyond that, you can rise in any profession through graft. Providing some one is bright and determined there is nothing to stop them acheiving what they waant. I didn't go to uni but through a lot of graft I qualified as an accountant and have done well. Has not having a degree hurt me?, well it closed a few job doors in my earlier career, but in the long term it certainly hasn't held me back. True i missed out on the life experience, and sometimes I regret that, but not for too long. It frustrates me when politians say that more and more people need a university education, why? As my dear gran used to say, the cream always rises to the top. If you work hard and you are bright / savvy / creative and driven you will invariably do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Having watched videos of the protests and spoken to a few mates that were there, the police were inciting violence. Charging into a crowd with police horses? F*cking moronic police tactics. So on the one had there are students breaking into buildings, throwing rocks, snooker balls and feck knows what else. However you are outraged at the Police for running towards them. If you play with feathers, you get your arsed tickled. Anyone who is enough of a tool to start a fight with a bunch of riot police deserves all they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Having watched videos of the protests and spoken to a few mates that were there, the police were inciting violence. Charging into a crowd with police horses? F*cking moronic police tactics. Because your mates wouldn't at all be biased would they! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 This is probably the biggest load of b0ll0x ever posted on this forum, and that's taking Dune & St George into account. I thought he was talking perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 I do laugh.. we think it is our god given right to abuse the police..throw breeze blocks at them..throw snooker balls at them, throw fireworks at them..shoot projectiles at them...and them claim police brutality when get a whack with a baton.. I am amazed how liberal our police are in the face of such provocation today It's been that way since 1829. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Fair play to them, about time someone got off their arse and protested in this way, rather than just moaning. Power to the people!! If we don't take action now, we settle for nothing later!! A very unhappy nation. It is not just about fees, it is the country showing they are not happy about being taken for mugs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 the vote has ben passed.. thank god for that As long as you're alright with your protected pension/wage/career who gives a **** about the rest of them right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 As long as you're alright with your protected pension/wage/career who gives a **** about the rest of them right? Are you talking about yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Are you talking about yourself? You're on form today love, although it did take you 5 minutes. That is disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 having watched videos of the protests and spoken to a few mates that were there, the police were inciting violence. Charging into a crowd with police horses? F*cking moronic police tactics. ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Just heard that they've attacked Prince Charles' car? Even I think that's too much, he can't even vote FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 The police need to be given permision to disperse crowds with guns. If a few students got shot they'd soon think twice. I'm not suggesting they should be shot in the head or chest, just their legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Just heard that they've attacked Prince Charles' car? Even I think that's too much, he can't even vote FFS! Yes he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Yes he can. I thought the Royals/heir apparent weren't allowed? Or is that just the Queen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Having watched videos of the protests and spoken to a few mates that were there, the police were inciting violence. Charging into a crowd with police horses? F*cking moronic police tactics. Your mates would say that though wouldn't they? From what I've seen the police have held back and remained calm. If I was a copper I'd have kicked seven shades of **** out of these student rioters by now. These rioters are the future of our country. Makes you wonder where this country is heading doesn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 These rioters are the future of our country. Makes you wonder where this country is heading doesn't it. Whilst I don't agree with the policy that has just been passed I think the student protests are way way over the top. I think alot of people think it's unjust that the goverment appears to tread on eggshells around the banks but don't think twice about a 200% odd increase in taxing education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 The police need to be given permision to disperse crowds with guns. If a few students got shot they'd soon think twice. I'm not suggesting they should be shot in the head or chest, just their legs. Good idea.We dont want anyone expressing an opinion in a supposedly free country. Lets just go to work,then sit quietly in our homes while the government totally ruin our lifes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Fair play to them, about time someone got off their arse and protested in this way, rather than just moaning. Power to the people!! If we don't take action now, we settle for nothing later!! A very unhappy nation. It is not just about fees, it is the country showing they are not happy about being taken for mugs!! How about the rest of the country go and protest about the students who've eaten away at our tax money for so many years? Why don't we all go round the local student houses, smash in their windows, set fire to their possessions and eat all their pot noodles? If they noticed the carnage that was left behind, do you think they would just shrug their shoulders and say 'hey ho, it was a protest, so anything's allowed'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Octopus Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Disgraceful behaviour, Defacing Sir Winston's statue and attacking the Prince. ***ts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Good idea.We dont want anyone expressing an opinion in a supposedly free country. Lets just go to work,then sit quietly in our homes while the government totally ruin our lifes. of course they're allowed to express their opinion - were not in North Korea. but they're not allowed to cause violence / criminal damage. there are ways and means - thats what general elections are for. WE voted the government in - as did, i'd say 50%+ of the people marching / protesting / rioting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Disgraceful behaviour, Defacing Sir Winston's statue and attacking the Prince. ***ts. Don't forget this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Don't forget this: He deserves a truncheon round the skull. What a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Don't forget this: Some people are just totally brain dead. Whatever the rights and wrongs of fees and loans its a political decision made by elected representatives - and a decision that dozy cow has a right to protest about. If it wasnt for the people whose memorial she is attacking - she'd be in Auschwitz as a political prisoner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 The riot police were out of order. They charged an area near a fence where people were escaping the kettle but most people were just standing, picking off some people climbing over but others who were just standing there and then batoning them. They then proceeded to bring in horses into an effective dead end. There was also an oldish man who asked to leave if he could because he had a heart condition. They asked what? He explained what it was fully and then they said no and started pushing and shoving him back into the area. This set many people off. A lot of bad policing today. However, I also saw examples of good policing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Some people are just totally brain dead. Whatever the rights and wrongs of fees and loans its a political decision made by elected representatives - and a decision that dozy cow has a right to protest about. If it wasnt for the people whose memorial she is attacking - she'd be in Auschwitz as a political prisoner. I thought it was a bloke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 I thought it was a bloke! I think it is a bloke, a girly long haired bloke. Disrespectful ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 I thought it was a bloke! Who knows! Lets face it neither of us would fancy digging around in its bottom drawer to find out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 lol at the idiots saying the libdems have broken their promise.. do they not get the concept of a "coalition" Why would they, they havent even been able to work out that they wont be repaying their "debt" any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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