Students

[bridge too far]

you what..?

 

The wheelchair-bound cerebral palsy suffering student who was man-handled from his wheelchair by the police.

[Thedelldays]

The wheelchair-bound cerebral palsy suffering student who was man-handled from his wheelchair by the police.

 

harsh....things could have gone better that that

[SuperMikey]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11987395

 

That's the video of the police pulling him from his wheelchair (for the second time). Notice how the officer that did it is pulled away by two more police after the incident.

 

The police luvvies on here can say what they like, but the police reaction to this was completely OTT. New evidence and footage is coming to light all the time to suggest massive levels of intimidation and excessive force.

[Thedelldays]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11987395

 

That's the video of the police pulling him from his wheelchair (for the second time). Notice how the officer that did it is pulled away by two more police after the incident.

 

The police luvvies on here can say what they like, but the police reaction to this was completely OTT. New evidence and footage is coming to light all the time to suggest massive levels of intimidation and excessive force.

 

police reaction OTT..we have the most liberal police force in the civilised world

[Colinjb]

police reaction OTT..we have the most liberal police force in the civilised world

 

This.

 

In most countries in the world the students who attacked Charles and Camilla would have been shot.

[SuperMikey]

police reaction OTT..we have the most liberal police force in the civilised world

 

If you read the Daily Mail we do... besides, in this particular circumstance the level of police interference was far too much.

[Thedelldays]

[Thedelldays]

[video=youtube;g-7LndNIQ50]

[Thedelldays]

[Thedelldays]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11954333

 

nawty

[Thedelldays]

just look at these pics...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332484/TUITION-FEES-PROTEST-London-streets-flames-25k-rampage.html

 

amazed how little the police reacted to be fair..

[Colinjb]

If you read the Daily Mail we do... besides, in this particular circumstance the level of police interference was far too much.

 

Considering the actions of the rioters it was incredibly restrained.

 

Yes, I am aware that an antagonised mob will fight back..... but after the 'peaceful protests' of the prior two weeks what were the police meant to do? Turn up with teddy bears and garden flowers?

 

This mob attacked two members of the royal family, vadalised national monuments, caused millions of pounds of private property and even set light to a Christmas tree. A f***ing christmas tree!?!

Edited 14 December, 2010 by Colinjb

[CB Saint]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11987395

 

That's the video of the police pulling him from his wheelchair (for the second time). Notice how the officer that did it is pulled away by two more police after the incident.

 

The police luvvies on here can say what they like, but the police reaction to this was completely OTT. New evidence and footage is coming to light all the time to suggest massive levels of intimidation and excessive force.

 

Interesting that his colleagues immediately restrained him - goes to show not all coppers are bad eggs, just like not all students are trouble makers.

[bridge too far]

Interesting that his colleagues immediately restrained him - goes to show not all coppers are bad eggs, just like not all students are trouble makers.

 

What a shame one of the officers chose not to wear his ID badge, as required by his Chief Constable

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/12/student-protests-met-police-chief

[RedAndWhite91]

The wheelchair-bound cerebral palsy suffering student who was man-handled from his wheelchair by the police.

 

Serious question - What was he doing at the front of a riot?

[Gingeletiss]

The wheelchair-bound cerebral palsy suffering student who was man-handled from his wheelchair by the police.

 

Here she goes again...leftie-to-far!! As in all of this, there are two sides of a story, yet you condemn the police based on one side. I will await the outcome of the inquiry, before casting judgement. Suffice to say, this lad has attended all the protests, believes in violence as a means to driving home the students point, and from what I can gather, is involved in organising the demonstrations.

[bridge too far]

Here she goes again...leftie-to-far!! As in all of this, there are two sides of a story, yet you condemn the police based on one side. I will await the outcome of the inquiry, before casting judgement. Suffice to say, this lad has attended all the protests, believes in violence as a means to driving home the students point, and from what I can gather, is involved in organising the demonstrations.

 

You are so dumb sometimes, it astounds me. Can't you read FFS? TDD asked me who Jody McIntyre was. I told him. End of story. I didn't support or denigrate either side. Once again, I post a fact and an unbiased answer to a genuine question and get a diatribe from the likes of you.

[mickn]

Serious question - What was he doing at the front of a riot?

 

You should know by now that the disabled always get the best seats, can jump the queues etc

[Sheaf Saint]

Serious question - What was he doing at the front of a riot?

 

Perhaps he was not part of the riot and was engaged in peaceful protest?

[Gingeletiss]

You are so dumb sometimes, it astounds me. Can't you read FFS? TDD asked me who Jody McIntyre was. I told him. End of story. I didn't support or denigrate either side. Once again, I post a fact and an unbiased answer to a genuine question and get a diatribe from the likes of you.

 

My, you are touchy today! Love the 'likes of you' bit, you presume to know me, but you don't. Alas, I just don't like your ilk, those that see fit to undermine the very fabric of our society, with no idea of how you would replace it. If you were to win, and get your way, we would go back a couple of hundred years, so forgive me, if I stick my blue nosed rightish wing views in now and again, kind of counter balance some of the radical views expressed on here. Thank God for Dune and Jonny Bognor I say!

[mickn]

Considering the actions of the rioters it was incredibly restrained.

 

Yes, I am aware that an antagonised mob will fight back..... but after the 'peaceful protests' of the prior two weeks what were the police meant to do? Turn up with teddy bears and garden flowers?

 

This mob attacked two members of the royal family, vadalised national monuments, caused millions of pounds of private property and even set light to a Christmas tree. A f***ing christmas tree!?!

 

Actually it was up until this point that I had started to lose a bit of sympathy with the students.

[bridge too far]

My, you are touchy today! Love the 'likes of you' bit, you presume to know me, but you don't. Alas, I just don't like your ilk, those that see fit to undermine the very fabric of our society, with no idea of how you would replace it. If you were to win, and get your way, we would go back a couple of hundred years, so forgive me, if I stick my blue nosed rightish wing views in now and again, kind of counter balance some of the radical views expressed on here. Thank God for Dune and Jonny Bognor I say!

 

I don't presume to know you - I have absolutely no interest in knowing you. You, however, somewhat hypocritically, choose to presume to know me. You don't.

[Verbal]

This.

 

In most countries in the world the students who attacked Charles and Camilla would have been shot.

 

And in some, applauded. Australia for example

[Verbal]

You are so dumb sometimes, it astounds me. Can't you read FFS? TDD asked me who Jody McIntyre was. I told him. End of story. I didn't support or denigrate either side. Once again, I post a fact and an unbiased answer to a genuine question and get a diatribe from the likes of you.

 

Don't worry too much BTF. There's a violent mob mentality here, and you're not one of his gang. Nauseating.

[SFKA South Woodford]

Interesting that his colleagues immediately restrained him - goes to show not all coppers are bad eggs, just like not all students are trouble makers.

 

More like pulling him away into the crowd, so that he couldn't be identified and brought to account for his actions! Just as with the Ian Tomlinson incident.

 

I do not agree with the protestors actions of attacking Churchills statue, members of the royal family or defacing monuments to the brave men and women who have made the ultimate sarifice to protect our right to democracy and freedom of speech. I do however agree that they have a right to protest and have a valid reason to do so, the way this country is heading and it's government is talking, this will be just the start of the protests. It's lucky for the government that it's illegal for the Police, Fire Brigade or members of the armed forces to go on strike, as with the governments slash and burn approach, we would surely see them registering their protests at the job cuts which are going to affect them.

 

We are living in a country where, the government and a lot of their "I'm alright Jack" supporters think that the best way for the country to recover and prosper is to make hundreds of thousands of decent and hard working people unemployed from jobs where they make a valuable contribution to their communities and the countries economy, and to blindly hope that in the most part, foreign owned companies will then re-employ those people. Well Mr Cameron and sc*mbag Clegg, I don't see Hyundai or Tata clamouring to open a manufacturing plant or any other business on the Isle of Wight or in Cornwall to name but two areas of financial desolation in this country. We are also living through a period, when it is 'fashionable' for companys to ignore trained uk workers and outsource their work to other countries, with in some instances the outsource companies then sending their staff to this country to work for that company. Which really takes the biscuit, and further dwindles the supply of jobs. As for the "i'm alright jack" types, I hope you never have to go through the despair of not being able to work in a job you like doing, or applying for jobs where there are 200 people who have applied who have one hundred percent of the work skills laid out in the description, rather than just the ninety eight percent you have.

 

As for support for demonstration among the general population. My grandparents have always been very conservative people in terms of their lifestyle and moral attitudes, having been brought up in the 1920's and 30's. They are now realising that things are no longer black and white, people do not have a job for life anymore and that there are people out there who cannot find work for want of trying and feel that the government only wants to hear from them in terms of payment of taxes. They might not have gotten as far as support of mass open protest yet, but they do realise that people are being left behind with no voice, which will eventually lead to protest. Which as the cuts the goverment are now and will be making, start to affect more and more of the population, will lead to greater support for protest.

[mickn]

More like pulling him away into the crowd, so that he couldn't be identified and brought to account for his actions! Just as with the Ian Tomlinson incident.

 

I do not agree with the protestors actions of attacking Churchills statue, members of the royal family or defacing monuments to the brave men and women who have made the ultimate sarifice to protect our right to democracy and freedom of speech. I do however agree that they have a right to protest and have a valid reason to do so, the way this country is heading and it's government is talking, this will be just the start of the protests. It's lucky for the government that it's illegal for the Police, Fire Brigade or members of the armed forces to go on strike, as with the governments slash and burn approach, we would surely see them registering their protests at the job cuts which are going to affect them.

 

We are living in a country where, the government and a lot of their "I'm alright Jack" supporters think that the best way for the country to recover and prosper is to make hundreds of thousands of decent and hard working people unemployed from jobs where they make a valuable contribution to their communities and the countries economy, and to blindly hope that in the most part, foreign owned companies will then re-employ those people. Well Mr Cameron and sc*mbag Clegg, I don't see Hyundai or Tata clamouring to open a manufacturing plant or any other business on the Isle of Wight or in Cornwall to name but two areas of financial desolation in this country. We are also living through a period, when it is 'fashionable' for companys to ignore trained uk workers and outsource their work to other countries, with in some instances the outsource companies then sending their staff to this country to work for that company. Which really takes the biscuit, and further dwindles the supply of jobs. As for the "i'm alright jack" types, I hope you never have to go through the despair of not being able to work in a job you like doing, or applying for jobs where there are 200 people who have applied who have one hundred percent of the work skills laid out in the description, rather than just the ninety eight percent you have.

 

As for support for demonstration among the general population. My grandparents have always been very conservative people in terms of their lifestyle and moral attitudes, having been brought up in the 1920's and 30's. They are now realising that things are no longer black and white, people do not have a job for life anymore and that there are people out there who cannot find work for want of trying and feel that the government only wants to hear from them in terms of payment of taxes. They might not have gotten as far as support of mass open protest yet, but they do realise that people are being left behind with no voice, which will eventually lead to protest. Which as the cuts the goverment are now and will be making, start to affect more and more of the population, will lead to greater support for protest.

 

Hear hear

[Thedelldays]

Water cannons are coming soon.. With probably more harsh force being dished out

 

End of the day.. If the protesting would stick to agreed routes and nor want to smash up public buildings then maybe the police would not need to kettle them it squirt them with a water gun...

[Thedelldays]

Don't worry too much BTF. There's a violent mob mentality here, and you're not one of his gang. Nauseating.

 

Snobs like you make me sick.. Those who think they are right all the time and can't have a debate without belittling other views..

 

As for being right... Still yet to see a female on a uk submarine.. That you said would happen

[Verbal]

Water cannons are coming soon.. With probably more harsh force being dished out

 

End of the day.. If the protesting would stick to agreed routes and nor want to smash up public buildings then maybe the police would not need to kettle them it squirt them with a water gun...

 

Cause and effect. The failure to follow agreed routes is to avoid kettling and the police violence that inevitably seems to come with it. Unfortunately, a violent cabal has attached itself to an otherwise peaceful protest to try and popularise their hopeless ultra-left causes. I genuinely feel sorry for the students. They don't deserve these punishing increases and they don't deserve the exploitation of their cause by violent idiots, whether in uniform or not.

[Verbal]

Snobs like you make me sick.. Those who think they are right all the time and can't have a debate without belittling other views..

 

As for being right... Still yet to see a female on a uk submarine.. That you said would happen

 

I know you love me really. Would you like a kiss?

[Thedelldays]

I know you love me really. Would you like a kiss?

 

I bet you live a very comfortable life... Championing those less fortunate whilst you tuck into you expensive wine, food and lifestyle

[Verbal]

I bet you live a very comfortable life... Championing those less fortunate whilst you tuck into you expensive wine, food and lifestyle

 

Yes, sadly I am very rich.

[Thedelldays]

Yes, sadly I am very rich.

 

MAybe you should do the rounds of Shirley warren dishing out much of your disposable income to the less fortunate and bring yourself closer to their quality of life

 

;-)

[Verbal]

MAybe you should do the rounds of Shirley warren dishing out much of your disposable income to the less fortunate and bring yourself closer to their quality of life

 

;-)

 

Not until they call it The Secret Billionaire.

[RedAndWhite91]

Perhaps he was not part of the riot and was engaged in peaceful protest?

 

Well, looking into it further, I am now reading Jody McIntyre's blog. Here are a few extracts:

 

First student protest:

 

"Me and Finlay immediately set to work, tearing down the metal barriers which separated the two lanes. "

 

"We flooded into the courtyard, but the riot cops were called within minutes. As batons began to swing, me and Finlay stood our ground on the front line. I stood up on my wheelchair, but attempts to re-take the courtyard soon fizzled out as a riot van was brought in."

 

"We were in a militant mood"

 

"It was an epic mission to the top [Of Conservative HQ]. Nine floors; eighteen flights of stairs. Two friends carried my wheelchair, and I walked. We couldn’t give up now."

 

"I turned in my wheelchair to face the police. “Move out of the way!” one of the mounted police shouted at me. I shook my head."

 

He doesn't sound very peaceful to me. I'm not condoning what the old bill did to him but he doesn't sound like the angel everyone is making him out to be.

[bridge too far]

I bet you live a very comfortable life... Championing those less fortunate whilst you tuck into you expensive wine, food and lifestyle

 

See - there's another misconception. Some people seem to think that socialists should stop being socialists once they become better off. That some people are 'too rich' to be socialists any more. By that token, poor people shouldn't be tories. Daft.

 

Some wealthy people DO have a social conscience and still want to do what they can - through politics and / or charity or volunteer work - to help other people.

 

Socialists would actually like it if everyone had a nice disposable income - that's what they're aiming for. Whereas, it could be argued, true tories would rather see poorer people kept in their place and oppressed via low wages, poor housing, poor health and poor education.

 

I don't think Real Tories would care a stuff about any single one of us on here - we're not wealthy enough or influential enough.

[Verbal]

Well, looking into it further, I am now reading Jody McIntyre's blog. Here are a few extracts:

 

First student protest:

 

"Me and Finlay immediately set to work, tearing down the metal barriers which separated the two lanes. "

 

"We flooded into the courtyard, but the riot cops were called within minutes. As batons began to swing, me and Finlay stood our ground on the front line. I stood up on my wheelchair, but attempts to re-take the courtyard soon fizzled out as a riot van was brought in."

 

"We were in a militant mood"

 

"It was an epic mission to the top [Of Conservative HQ]. Nine floors; eighteen flights of stairs. Two friends carried my wheelchair, and I walked. We couldn’t give up now."

 

"I turned in my wheelchair to face the police. “Move out of the way!” one of the mounted police shouted at me. I shook my head."

 

He doesn't sound very peaceful to me. I'm not condoning what the old bill did to him but he doesn't sound like the angel everyone is making him out to be.

 

Would you make a habit of dragging disabled people out of their wheelchairs, whatever the provocation?

[Thedelldays]

Would you make a habit of dragging disabled people out of their wheelchairs, whatever the provocation?

 

doesnt sound like the sort to rely on a wheel chair either

[RedAndWhite91]

Would you make a habit of dragging disabled people out of their wheelchairs, whatever the provocation?

 

As I said in the last line, I'm not condoning what the old bill did to him.

[Colinjb]

Whereas, it could be argued, true tories would rather see poorer people kept in their place and oppressed via low wages, poor housing, poor health and poor education.

 

Now, this really gets my goat.

 

I consider myself a true Tory, yet certainly do not believe that people should be pigeon holed or oppressed like that. I want there to the opportunity for people to progress and develop and hate the idea that anyone would be intentionally stifled if they had the potential.

 

Whereas I consider socialist ideals to be intentionally stifling............ It's curious how different perspective can work.

Edited 14 December, 2010 by Colinjb

[trousers]

If only you humans realised how funny you are

[Colinjb]

If only you humans realised how funny you were

 

 

[trousers]

In tonight's London Evening Standard: "Leading accountants are to target school leavers amid fears they will be put off going to university by the tripling (sic) of tuition fees. Companies including Pricewaterhouse Coopers, Deloitte and KPMG plan to increase the number of places for students who have not been to university."

 

Surely this is the 'win win win' that I've mentioned before? i.e. It's the companies that end up paying to 'further educate' their new intake of employees rather than the state or the students themselves.

 

Great to see this clever coalition policy starting to have a positive common sense effect so quickly.

 

Everyone's a winner.

 

Can someone give the students a gentle nudge to tell them they don't need to vandalise public property anymore. Many thanks.

[aintforever]

So companies including Pricewaterhouse Coopers, Deloitte and KPMG know students who can't afford it will be put off going to Uni, yet the same retards on here think no one will be put off with a 50K debt.

[trousers]

So companies including Pricewaterhouse Coopers, Deloitte and KPMG know students who MISTAKENLY THINK THEY can't afford it will be put off going to Uni, yet the same retards on here think no one will be put off with a 50K debt.

 

Corrected it for you. My pleasure

[Colinjb]

Corrected it for you. My pleasure

 

Quite, compared to my current situation students will be 100 pounds a month better off then I and many of my fellow graduates currently are.

[trousers]

So companies including Pricewaterhouse Coopers, Deloitte and KPMG know students who can't afford it will be put off going to Uni, yet the same retards on here think no one will be put off with a 50K debt.

 

Oops...I should have corrected the "debt" bit too while I was being helpful. It should read "small additional contribution via PAYE"

 

;-)

[trousers]

Quite, compared to my current situation students will be 100 pounds a month better off then I and many of my fellow graduates currently are.

 

Ssshhhh.....don't give the facts away just yet...we're having far too much fun with the mythology at the moment.... ;-)

[Verbal]

In tonight's London Evening Standard: "Leading accountants are to target school leavers amid fears they will be put off going to university by the tripling (sic) of tuition fees. Companies including Pricewaterhouse Coopers, Deloitte and KPMG plan to increase the number of places for students who have not been to university."

 

Surely this is the 'win win win' that I've mentioned before? i.e. It's the companies that end up paying to 'further educate' their new intake of employees rather than the state or the students themselves.

 

Great to see this clever coalition policy starting to have a positive common sense effect so quickly.

 

Everyone's a winner.

 

Can someone give the students a gentle nudge to tell them they don't need to vandalise public property anymore. Many thanks.

 

Sorry, trousers, if this is true, you need to go back and correct your earlier posts. The firms listed are looking for people who'd have gone to university but have been put off by higher university fees. Surely there won't be any - because as you and others have tried to argue, the increases are all in our minds, the government is being over backwards to help, they're not really fees at all, etc etc ad nauseum.

[aintforever]

Oops...I should have corrected the "debt" bit too while I was being helpful. It should read "small additional contribution via PAYE"

 

;-)

 

It's still a debt regardless of how you pay it back, and either students will be put off or they won't, you seem to contradict yourself.