rocknrollman no2 Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Suggest you come and talk to the grown ups then Container berth, any day will do! Not sure what you mean,but from what ive seen posted on here from some,grown up is far from what i would call it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I see that's it's being reported a number of coppers weren't wearing their ID numbers...after what happened at the G20, dear oh dear. All these revelations could lead to delays in bringing about the water cannon next time don't you think TDD/dune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I see that's it's being reported a number of coppers weren't wearing their ID numbers...after what happened at the G20, dear oh dear. maybe they were ripped off by thugs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 maybe they were ripped off by thugs... I agree....the police themselfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 It really opened my eyes as well, it showed me, that the yoof of today have no respect whatsoever, and that you see violence as a normal action (too many bl00dy war games on PS). I will tell you now Saintandy666, you do not have any mandate for this action from the general public. Everyone, and I mean everyone, I have spoken to over the last few days, has condemned you and your ilk. Any sympathy you had for your 'cause' has gone, you are seen as nothing but yobs...how does that feel? future doctor/lawyer/politician/dentist/engineer etc etc Anecdotal evidence does not work. Everyone who I have spoken to supports the students... really, you weren't there at the protests, you have just watched the news and news portrayal of this is for the most part disgusting, they ignored us until some chose to go down the route of civil disobedience, and then they just choose to show one thing over and over again. I was there, you were not, I know what happened and you do not. On the entirely separate and more damaging issue of the new system, mark my words, this is going to destroy the university system as we know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I agree....the police themselfs. who knows...not you still, that is no excuse for the mindless thuggery on show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 who knows...not you still, that is no excuse for the mindless thuggery on show Like I said, the fact that this thread exists shows that violent protesting works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Im not outraged but whats to stop any political party tinkering with the way it is repaid in the future? Another reason a nurse on 22K should be worried for the future. Governments in having ability to make and change laws shock horror... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Like I said, the fact that this thread exists shows that violent protesting works. 911 drew attention to Islamic fundamentalism. Didn't mean people supported it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Governments in having ability to make and change laws shock horror... People in the right to passionately protest those changes, shock horror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 911 drew attention to Islamic fundamentalism. Didn't mean people supported it though. Yeah, because mass murder and violent protest is the same thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Yeah, because mass murder and violent protest is the same thing! In principle, yes they are. Of course this is nothing like 911 in terms of of scale, global impact, loss of life etc. but it's the same thing going on. People resorting to violence to draw attention to their political opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 In principle, yes they are. Of course this is nothing like 911 in terms of of scale, global impact, loss of life etc. but it's the same thing going on. People resorting to violence to draw attention to their political opinions. You obviously don't understand Al Qaeda, it's not a protest it's an ideological war. They don't want to draw attention to anything, they want to destroy our culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 who knows...not you still, that is no excuse for the mindless thuggery on show It wasn't mindless thuggery. These are people in higher education. It is intellectual thuggery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 http://uku****.org.uk/blog/guest-blog-philip-green-is-sponging-off-the-state Well, it seems we all have to contribute, unless you're an "entrepreneur" New Labour are as much to blame to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 You obviously don't understand Al Qaeda, it's not a protest it's an ideological war. They don't want to draw attention to anything, they want to destroy our culture. I'm pretty sure they weren't planning to blow the US off the place of the planet with a couple of 767s. I'm sure they'd like to, but anyway this is going off on a tangent. I'll go easy on the metaphors from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 (edited) http://uku****.org.uk/blog/guest-blog-philip-green-is-sponging-off-the-state Edited 12 December, 2010 by tedmaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I agree....the police themselfs. I am not in agreement with the student argument and the despicable behaviour of the minority of probably non students. I can however vouch from personal experience of demonstrating that the met police as a culture are unpleasant violent thugs who thrive on a scrap. They lie at even the highest level to cover themselves and all of those that complained to the IPC at the behaviour of the officers, were then arrested despite the fact that they are supposed to be independent. I remember just thinking how wrong I was about the miners when Maggie sent the Met up North to deal with the pickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Anecdotal evidence does not work. Everyone who I have spoken to supports the students... really, you weren't there at the protests, you have just watched the news and news portrayal of this is for the most part disgusting, they ignored us until some chose to go down the route of civil disobedience, and then they just choose to show one thing over and over again. I was there, you were not, I know what happened and you do not. On the entirely separate and more damaging issue of the new system, mark my words, this is going to destroy the university system as we know it. Student who speaks with other students who have the same opinion as him non shocker! You were there, we were not, so we don't know! Sky, BBC news etc, all had cameras beaming images live as it happened, so anyone watching those unedited live pictures, probably has a far greater idea of what was going on than someone who was pushed into the police 'kettle' and could see very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 bit off the point but, Suggest you come and talk to the grown ups then Container berth, any day will do! See i'm willing to except that my opinion is just that, and that there is a noble tradition and philosophy in right wing thinking/thinkers; that although i might not agree with has an incredibly long standing and isn't based in idiocy. The problem i have is that so few of those that purport to support it ever understand it. Instead they choose to play the man, accusing people on the left of being "naive"; "child like"; "misinformed"; "deluded" etc. Yet very seldom does this air of superiority come with a reasoned debate that counters the issues. Rather we tend to see a complete lack of real response to the issues that belittles any debate being had. It's something i think is a curse of the right wing red tops, you only need to look at the sensationalism of papers like the Mail or Sun to see that a deeper look at the problems is negated for sloganeering to the masses. I guess the biggest irony is that the one that most likely on here to look at the historical context (as much as i may disagree with him) is also the one that's most likely to play up to idiocy of tackling the man [dune]. Oh and to tackle to the original quote, i know plenty of people from all walks of life and all ages that are left wing so perhaps him and his cohorts should come down and talk to grown ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Anecdotal evidence does not work. Everyone who I have spoken to supports the students... really, you weren't there at the protests, you have just watched the news and news portrayal of this is for the most part disgusting, they ignored us until some chose to go down the route of civil disobedience, and then they just choose to show one thing over and over again. I was there, you were not, I know what happened and you do not. On the entirely separate and more damaging issue of the new system, mark my words, this is going to destroy the university system as we know it. Rubbish I work in a university without this reform the universities would be f ucked (having lost over 40% of their goverment funding) I for one am glad the goverment have sorted this out otherwise I'd be unemployed within 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 The problem i have is that so few of those that purport to support it ever understand it. Instead they choose to play the man, accusing people on the left of being "naive"; "child like"; "misinformed"; "deluded" etc. You also missed the classic accusation of not being in "the real world". Where is this "real world". Do I not live in it? I thought I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Rubbish I work in a university without this reform the universities would be f ucked (having lost over 40% of their goverment funding) I for one am glad the goverment have sorted this out otherwise I'd be unemployed within 12 months. Unless you work in a VERY good university you are going to be in trouble, unfortunately. The idea behind this reform is a neo-liberal shrinking of higher education in this country - ie using the price mechanism to kill demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Student who speaks with other students who have the same opinion as him non shocker! You were there, we were not, so we don't know! Sky, BBC news etc, all had cameras beaming images live as it happened, so anyone watching those unedited live pictures, probably has a far greater idea of what was going on than someone who was pushed into the police 'kettle' and could see very little. ah, like alpine saint can judge the saints games he didnt attend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2010 ah, like alpine saint can judge the saints games he didnt attend but you can judge games on the telly.....no..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 but you can judge games on the telly.....no..? Oh yes, you can have an opinion watching telly. That's just as valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 The TV pictures show parts of the violence but to understand what led up to them you obviously had to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2010 The TV pictures show parts of the violence but to understand what led up to them you obviously had to be there. obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Oh yes, you can have an opinion watching telly. That's just as valid. hello snob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 hello snob Hello sweetie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 obviously Of course. If you see pictures of a student wacking a copper with a piece of wood you don't know if previously the copper had wacked him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Of course. If you see pictures of a student wacking a copper with a piece of wood you don't know if previously the copper had wacked him. I studied the previous 1,000 years of Irish history and I still dont know who started it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 but you can judge games on the telly.....no..? I can voice my opinion but will be open minded to people who were actually there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I studied the previous 1,000 years of Irish history and I still dont know who started it. Diarmaid Mac Murchadha I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Unless you work in a VERY good university you are going to be in trouble, unfortunately. The idea behind this reform is a neo-liberal shrinking of higher education in this country - ie using the price mechanism to kill demand. The last two years my university hasn't even bothered with clearing they are that over subscribed the demand is there the fees have to be priced accordingly. Capped fees will destroy univsersties already struggling under huge cuts in funding. Raising fees is the only way to go as far as I can see. If I'm honest considering some of the morons that pass for students were I work a shrinkage in the number of degree level students wouldn't be a bad thing (if my lively didn't depend on it). Studing degrees in such subjects as performing arts, American studies and film studies adds nothing to this country. Much rather we had more students learning trades than pointless degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 The last two years my university hasn't even bothered with clearing they are that over subscribed the demand is there the fees have to be priced accordingly. Capped fees will destroy univsersties already struggling under huge cuts in funding. Raising fees is the only way to go as far as I can see. If I'm honest considering some of the morons that pass for students were I work a shrinkage in the number of degree level students wouldn't be a bad thing (if my lively didn't depend on it). Studing degrees in such subjects as performing arts, American studies and film studies adds nothing to this country. Much rather we had more students learning trades than pointless degrees. Unless you're at Oxbridge or UCL or Imperial, I find it hard to believe that NO departments in your university went into clearing. And it's really quite depressing hearing a university staff member trot out the old cliches about film. Training in skills used by Britain’s film industry is now virtually non-existent outside the university sector. So is film a useless subject to study, and is it pointless acquiring relevant skills at university? A new Oxford Economics report estimates that the core film industry in the UK – stripping out ancillary businesses such as tourism and merchandising – contributes £1.6 billion in GDP and £445 million towards the public purse. This means that the core UK film business is worth slightly more in GDP than, say, the British computer manufacturing industry. The UK film industry directly employs around 36,000 (up by 30% since 2000 and 7% since 2006), supporting a total of 100,000 direct and indirect jobs (up from 95,000 in 2007). Inward investment is estimated to account for around £3.6 billion of film’s contribution to GDP and £960 million in Exchequer revenues. Films depicting the UK are responsible for generating around a 10th of overseas tourist revenue, totalling around £1.9 billion a year. Showing UK films on TV helps local broadcasters generate about £245 million of revenues. Total multiplier activity contributes a further £1.6 billion a year to UK GDP and £425 million to UK tax revenues. Merchandising – merchandising associated with UK films supported about 6,600 jobs in 2009 and contributed about £237 million to UK GDP and £107 million to the Exchequer. Fifty eight per cent of the production workforce is university educated. London has a global market share of approximately 20% in VFX work. This is just film, remember - it leaves out the TV and games industries, which are VERY hungry for well-trained graduates. Source: http://www.ukfilmcouncil.org.uk/media/pdf/i/r/The_Economic_Impact_of_the_UK_Film_Industry_-_June_2010.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Student who speaks with other students who have the same opinion as him non shocker! You were there, we were not, so we don't know! Sky, BBC news etc, all had cameras beaming images live as it happened, so anyone watching those unedited live pictures, probably has a far greater idea of what was going on than someone who was pushed into the police 'kettle' and could see very little. That was kind of my point to the last poster who said all of his friends were against the students. It's just the circles you are in. And I have had the benefit of being there, and seeing all the live videos/pictures/word reports afterwards. I have spent literally hours since the protest trawling all this stuff, reading and watching... I dare say that combined with my actual being there gives me a much more informed opinion of what lead to the violence. I believe I detailed this in an earlier post where I pinpointed 3 reasons. And no... I did not just blame the police, but I didn't just blame the students either. Read my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11978884 How about this everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 That's terrible, no worries though the IPCC are on the case. That's I for Independant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 A new Oxford Economics report estimates that the core film industry in the UK – stripping out ancillary businesses such as tourism and merchandising – contributes £1.6 billion in GDP and £445 million towards the public purse. This means that the core UK film business is worth slightly more in GDP than, say, the British computer manufacturing industry. I can't see that myself, when one company, ike Sage for instance, turns over £1.5bn on it's own. With 13,500 empoyees, just one IT company employs nearly one third of the entire fim industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 (edited) I can't see that myself, when one company, ike Sage for instance, turns over £1.5bn on it's own. With 13,500 empoyees, just one IT company employs nearly one third of the entire fim industry. Simple really. Sage is not a computer manufacturing company. I use their products for company accounts. Very good too - but it's software. Edited 13 December, 2010 by Verbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11978884 How about this everyone? Yeah, saw that. Made sense. After violent protests the chance that people may want retribution against those trying to protect the state is high, so removing access to them is sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Yeah, saw that. Made sense. After violent protests the chance that people may want retribution against those trying to protect the state is high, so removing access to them is sensible. Among a few on here, that is a spectacularly ugly and small-minded comment. Anyone injured for whatever reason deserves treatment immediately, and it is no business of ANYONE to tell hospital authorities who they should and shouldn't treat. "Made sense"? You should hang your head in shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 redandwhite your post was interesting but not factually correct. the police do indeed hand out indiscriminate violence if they think they can get away from it. When I was asked to get in the police van for defending myself i did just that. this happened funnily enough near the houses of parliment at 6pm. I was off in to town from a day shift at the (QAMH Hospital) I was a student nurse at the time> It was inside the van the police officer lunged foward and booted me in the bollixs. There was no resistence from at all but the **** still kicked me. I wasnt resisting arrested as I had not been arrested . So if you think I am pro police then think again . since that day I have treated them with suspicion. I know im taining all police with the same brush but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Of course. If you see pictures of a student wacking a copper with a piece of wood you don't know if previously the copper had wacked him. Of course, if you see a copper wacking a student with a truncheon, you don't know if previously the student hadn't wacked him first/thrown snooker balls at him/thrown balloons filled with urine/thrown fireworks/used a metal barrier to charge him/used iron bars to hit his horse etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Among a few on here, that is a spectacularly ugly and small-minded comment. Anyone injured for whatever reason deserves treatment immediately, and it is no business of ANYONE to tell hospital authorities who they should and shouldn't treat. "Made sense"? You should hang your head in shame. Wind yer neck in love. I'm not saying he should be refused treatment, I'm saying that he should have been taken to a different hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Simple really. Sage is not a computer manufacturing company. I use their products for company accounts. Very good too - but it's software. But software and software publishers are the most important part of the IT industry. Look at the worlds most prominent players..... Microsoft, Oracle and even IBM (their software and services are the major part of their business). I think it is very sneaky to big up the film industry, by being very selective over what you compare it against (a specific part of one industry), thus implying that it is bigger than it really is. If you want to get an idea of the size of the film industry, Tesco (just one company) turns over £60 billion which is 40 times larger than the entire film industry....... doesn't look so big now, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefunkygibbons Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Got to love how the newspapers are getting their teeth into Charlie Gilmour What a muppet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 It is really pleasing to see the left wingers so miserable. Now they know how we felt during 13 dark years under the cloud of the Socialist nanny state. What makes it all the sweeter is that the Liberal Democrats have been so helpful. BTW where have all the Liberal supporting posters gone? You will soon have the forum to yourself Stanley you sad pathetic disturbed nazi boy. Maybe then you can bring back your KKK avator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 December, 2010 Share Posted 13 December, 2010 Of course, if you see a copper wacking a student with a truncheon, you don't know if previously the student hadn't wacked him first/thrown snooker balls at him/thrown balloons filled with urine/thrown fireworks/used a metal barrier to charge him/used iron bars to hit his horse etc etc You have just proved my point you muppet - watching the news shows you what is happening but doesn't show why or put it in any context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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