doddisalegend Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Are the any examples where Cortese has shown himself to be bad for saints... In terms of Facts??? From what I see he is everything we would want in chairman but people are afraid to give him the respect he deserves invade he hurts them like Lowe did.. Let this interview be a new leaf. Accept that he is good for us and move on... Here's to the future of SFC!! COYR! WIFM! Well I still don't think the whole bust up with the press/echo was great for the clubs profile. Being described as south coast team while having pictures of subeto man all seemed avoidable. The season tickets this year could have been handled better too, NCs reasons weren't bad but communication to the fans was lacking resulting in ****ed of fans who might have been more understanding if they had known the reason. Bad for saints who knows? but not good for saints either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 I thought it was clear in the past that he has had a go at Le Tiss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Further, the very players who have come 'through their ranks' have only come to Barcelona because they are Barcelona! They have scoured the globe and at enormous expense have moved the best young talent in the world to the Nou Camp. It worries me when bankers believe that success can be created from the youth ranks at a club which does not yet have the platform for financial surety that is required to KEEP talent. If we produce Fabregas this season he will be GONE by May. This was Rupert Lowe's failed plan. And now the world will pretend that this time around with 'this' banker, it's different and the plan can succeed. Why? All those who slated Lowe tell me why this time it's different? We will still be a selling club. Not because we will need to be but because we will either be made offers we cannot refuse or the players will go to Arsenal or Barcelona... in that case there is no hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 On the face of it there are far far more positives that Nicola has brought to the club (and continue to bring to the club) than negatives. You coud compare him with Rupert Lowe in many areas, but the big difference is that we're not a PLC and we have money to spend. In the future I can see him hiking ticket prices, but I think that would happen anyway, so on balance there's really very little to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 It's the lack of communication which has previously caused problems for me. Going by the interview it is something which Cortese admits to so I'm hoping lessons have been learnt! Encouraged by the interview though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 This was Rupert Lowe's failed plan. And now the world will pretend that this time around with 'this' banker, it's different and the plan can succeed. Why? All those who slated Lowe tell me why this time it's different? We will still be a selling club. Not because we will need to be but because we will either be made offers we cannot refuse or the players will go to Arsenal or Barcelona... Simple really. It's about classic leadership. Lowe had the vision and it was a good one. His big problem was he could not sell it. To the players, to the media or to the potential investors. NC is selling it - clearly evidenced in the interview and it is talking to the big names that has (in his words) unsettled his opponents to stirring things up. Unlike Lowe he will not get paranoid by their behaviour. In the main he will ignore them, winnnig others over with his actions. OK, he's not won too many friends in the media but he holds his hands up on poor communications so he is learning. He's not trying to sell directly to the players - he's letting NA do that (learning from Lowe's mistakes perhaps). And as far as the fans are concerned there are enough getting excitied about the vision to build up a decent momentum. So on balance, it's looking good so far..... .....certainly better than it has looked for some 10 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 It's the lack of communication which has previously caused problems for me. Going by the interview it is something which Cortese admits to so I'm hoping lessons have been learnt! Encouraged by the interview though. This is the thing, I think the lack of communication about the press, about ST's etc is because of things going on behind the scenes and Cortese goes some way to apologise for that in the interview (in not so many words) so given that they have only been in control for a very short period of time and have had to deal with losing Marcus I think they can be forgiven for these things and judged hereon now that they are settled in properly. I truly believe we are in safe hands and any stress we come under is only going to be caused by ourselves or the press... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Like the phrase, Pardew "ended up into the sack" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 No they weren't, looking at him his eyes rgularly went to the left as we looked AT him, therefore to HIS right. This happened regularly when asked questions: When he says the club is not for sale his eyes look to the left. When he talks about the Liebherrs commitment his eyes look to the left. When he talks about Markus having no input his eyes look left. When he talks about not wanting to move onto something better he looks left. When he talks about us being on schedule he looks left. When he talks about being in the Prem by 2014 he looks left. When he talks about NA doing great he looks left. Well its all a matter of opinion isnt it? I would still say I think they were down and to the left. Anway stright to the left is To the Left: Indicates an Auditory Construct thought. If you asked someone to "Try and ceate the sound of a speeding train in your head", this would be the direction their eyes moved. In their mind they are imagining and creating the sound of a speeding train. The question is though Dune, do you want to believe him? The reason I have replied to your posts so far is because when I watched the interview I was thinking I bet someone is going mention the eye movement lying thing and I myself found I was looking at the way he responded with his eyes. Anyway I don't believe this technique is fool proof. I am chosing to take him at his word for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 This is the thing, I think the lack of communication about the press, about ST's etc is because of things going on behind the scenes and Cortese goes some way to apologise for that in the interview (in not so many words) so given that they have only been in control for a very short period of time and have had to deal with losing Marcus I think they can be forgiven for these things and judged hereon now that they are settled in properly. I truly believe we are in safe hands and any stress we come under is only going to be caused by ourselves or the press... I don't understand what you are saying here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 This place is f*cking ridiculous. People moan and ***** about NC not saying anything to deny the sale rumour and then when he does; people moan and *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 As NC is usually a closed book this interview is a revelation, like what I'm hearing from him and all looks to be well in the camp. Let's hope it keeps moving in the correct direction, I have faith that it will................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 This place is f*cking ridiculous. People moan and ***** about NC not saying anything to deny the sale rumour and then when he does; people moan and *****. About one maybe 2 people have. Every single other person has said it was positive so no this place is not ridiculous although a small minority are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 About one maybe 2 people have. Every single other person has said it was positive so no this place is not ridiculous although a small minority are. Agreed. Most of us are sensible people and dont try and imagine up conspiracies to try and turn things negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadiz saint Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Agree 100 percent, we now have a well run football club, debt free with an optimistic future. Well done Cortese, ignore the ignorant on here and carry on!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 In the future I can see him hiking ticket prices, but I think that would happen anyway, so on balance there's really very little to complain about. In my utopia we would go up to the Prem in the next few years and then instead of bleading supporters dry the CLUB would use the TV money to fund any increase in wages and position our wage bill in such a way that that the prices did not need to be bumped up. Absolutel no reason whatsoever why could not happen. But it won't. The fact NC charges me £3 for the priveledge of buying an away ticket tells me everything about where ticket prices will be going should we rise up the leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Agreed. Most of us are sensible people and dont try and imagine up conspiracies to try and turn things negative. No I don't think we should have a go at posters with a more negative opinion. Everyone looks at things in a different way. It is the likes of saint mears who in this case I believe has been extremely harsh in his assessment of Cortese. That is not to say that we should label all people who have a more negative outlook with regards to Cortese as idiots or fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 I like him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 In my utopia we would go up to the Prem in the next few years and then instead of bleading supporters dry the CLUB would use the TV money to fund any increase in wages and position our wage bill in such a way that that the prices did not need to be bumped up. Absolutel no reason whatsoever why could not happen. But it won't. The fact NC charges me £3 for the priveledge of buying an away ticket tells me everything about where ticket prices will be going should we rise up the leagues. I think that is a valid concern and maybe worth enquiring about. Possibly the fans forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 That is not to say that we should label all people who have a more negative outlook with regards to Cortese as idiots or fools. yes we should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 yes we should Which is precisely why there is no discussing things with you DD because you cannot accept that posters are able to hold a perfectly valid view which differs from your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Looking left when thinking (answering a question) is a sign of lying. Don't watch QI do you? It has nothing to do with lying or telling the truth - apparently the only way to tell is someone is telling the truth or lying is listening to what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Don't watch QI do you? It has nothing to do with lying or telling the truth - apparently the only way to tell is someone is telling the truth or lying is listening to what they say. I don't think anyone can really tell if they are lying without being an incredible behavioural expert or knowing a lot more about the person. I also personally don't think lie detector machines work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 This place is f*cking ridiculous. People moan and ***** about NC not saying anything to deny the sale rumour and then when he does; people moan and *****. oh please, time after time we get posts like this on here. Eventually I'll get bored of replying, but until then: Ever thought that the people moaning about the one thing are not the same people moaning about it's opposite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Discussing whether NC is lying is a particularly silly topic of conversation IMO. I think that in general people are encouraged that he has finally spoken out to set the record straight on a few things. As I said previously, I am most encouraged that he believes failure to communicate has caused him some problems in the past and I think this interview was done to rectify that a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 TBF, there has been hardly anyone moaning on this thread and the general consensus is that this is a positive move from Cortese. I too think his PR had left a lot to be desired, as did his relationship with the media (probably the same thing really) but i am hopeful he has learnt from the damning he was getting from the press etc. Also kudos that he is continuing with meeting the fans in those dinner meetings, i hope we see a thread about what was talked about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 (edited) yes we should are you failing to be funny or is this another love note for hypo? I say this because I don't always bend over and take what Cortese serves up myself, so does that make me an idiot? Edited 8 December, 2010 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 are failing to be funny or is this another love note for hypo? I say this because I don't always preverbally bend over and take what Cortese serves up myself, so am I an idiot? he does it on purpose to get a reaction. He has admitted in the past that that is why he posts. I have him on ignore but every so often curiosity gets the better of me. More fool me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY Saint Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Anyone notice the only poor piece of body language from Nicola is when he rubs his nose (touching your face is a sign you are being economical with the truth) when he says he doesnt know where the rumours come from. He knows perfectly well and there are plenty of clues in the interview. Yeah I noticed that as well, he's fully aware of who or what organisation initiated the rumour, glad he didn't talk any further about it or give them any spotlight. This about SFC and nothing else. The interview was positive and regardless of whether its all PR puff or not it will hopefully make people want SFC to do well and work towards the common goal of getting us promoted. Happy with this interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 he does it on purpose to get a reaction. He has admitted in the past that that is why he posts. I have him on ignore but every so often curiosity gets the better of me. More fool me. just because I admitted it in the past has no bearing on what I post now.. people are free to think what they like...at the mo..those who constantly snide at NC are idiot.. HTH you are the worst...when someone post complete tosh knocking cortese..you keep the threads alive by posting "yeah, that is what I have heard" i mean..we have people that are disecting his body language now...just to glean a tiny teeny piece of negativity about him to cling on to sad as fuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 just because I admitted it in the past has no bearing on what I post now.. people are free to think what they like...at the mo..those who constantly snide at NC are idiot.. HTH you are the worst...when someone post complete tosh knocking cortese..you keep the threads alive by posting "yeah, that is what I have heard" i mean..we have people that are disecting his body language now...just to glean a tiny teeny piece of negativity about him to cling on to sad as fuk I have done that twice, and the last time I did it I qualified it by saying I realised that people like you would be coming out of the woodwork to jump down my throat. Believe it or not I do sometimes hear things from people outside of this forum which I don't always post. If someone subsequently does post it then I am perfectly entitled to say that is what I have heard as well. Now please lets discuss the obvious positives of this interview and not go off topic talking about my hate for Cortese which doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 people are free to think what they like...at the mo..those who constantly snide at NC are idiot.. constantly sniding and being more negative than the next person about NC are not the same. Only an idiot would think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 constantly sniding and being more negative than the next person about NC are not the same. Only an idiot would think so. Yep. On here I would say 2 posters have a quite obvious anti Cortese thing going on. Everyone else varies from thinking he is the greatest thing ever to having a few concerns. Thankfully some of those concerns have disappeared for me today following this interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 In Cortese we trust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 The bloke is perfect for us. Narrow minded and driven with 1 aim and 1 aim only. We are only going 1 way and anyone who wants to disrupt that can **** off. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 ahh Mr Gullible falls for it as expected. You screaming queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 The bloke is perfect for us. Narrow minded and driven with 1 aim and 1 aim only. We are only going 1 way and anyone who wants to disrupt that can **** off. Good stuff. Plus one. With Cortese at the helm I think Prem by 2014 is realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Impressed. He has been a bit bonkers at times but he is our nutter and he wants success for Saints. There was even a hint in there that he accepts he was wrong re the media, that isn't the cartoon dictator character that some have tried to create. The bottom line for me is that he made a promise to his friend before he died, I would be astonished if he didn't carry that through. He may break a few eggs getting us there but I look forward to seeing Nicola realise the dream that Markus had. Which is the polite but less interesting version of what Mr Saints so clearly stated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Had to smile when he used the phrases 'in the building' and 'simple as that'. That NA bloke is infectious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Impressed. He has been a bit bonkers at times but he is our nutter and he wants success for Saints. There was even a hint in there that he accepts he was wrong re the media, that isn't the cartoon dictator character that some have tried to create. The bottom line for me is that he made a promise to his friend before he died, I would be astonished if he didn't carry that through. He may break a few eggs getting us there but I look forward to seeing Nicola realise the dream that Markus had. Which is the polite but less interesting version of what Mr Saints so clearly stated! I do think he is what we need at the helm aswell. Ok, he will and has trodden on a few people and upset some more but that is what business is like and football is as cutthroat as many of them. The man speaks positively, seems to thrive on success and aims very strongly towards achieving it. I have bought into his positivity and think that with him (sometimes bulldozing) making his way towards his goal i think we will make it. Better than anything we have had in the past 10 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 He seems dedicated to us. I'm really grateful to him for sticking by us, must've been a pretty rough time for him since Markus's passing. Bit of continuity is what we need with Nic at the helm. Hopefully he can achieve his good mate's dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 "Plenty of reasons why he ultimately end up into the sack". Love it. This guy is class and we are bloody lucky to have him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 I don't think anyone can really tell if they are lying without being an incredible behavioural expert or knowing a lot more about the person. I also personally don't think lie detector machines work. Bollix thats the Jermey kylie show ruined for me thanks a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 No feedback yet from the two posters going to dinner with NC tonight. Can't still be passing the port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Saint 2 Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Further, the very players who have come 'through their ranks' have only come to Barcelona because they are Barcelona! They have scoured the globe and at enormous expense have moved the best young talent in the world to the Nou Camp. It worries me when bankers believe that success can be created from the youth ranks at a club which does not yet have the platform for financial surety that is required to KEEP talent. If we produce Fabregas this season he will be GONE by May. This was Rupert Lowe's failed plan. And now the world will pretend that this time around with 'this' banker, it's different and the plan can succeed. Why? All those who slated Lowe tell me why this time it's different? We will still be a selling club. Not because we will need to be but because we will either be made offers we cannot refuse or the players will go to Arsenal or Barcelona... Umm, all those current players who've come through their youth squad are Catalonian except Bojan and Pedro (and he's from Tenerife). Slightly more local than say, Gareth Bale was for us. So no, they're not scouring the globe, and I don't expect us to either. The problem with Lowe was he would sell at the first hint of interest. Now I feel even if we do end up selling an academy product it will be much more on our own terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Umm, all those current players who've come through their youth squad are Catalonian except Bojan and Pedro (and he's from Tenerife). Slightly more local than say, Gareth Bale was for us. So no, they're not scouring the globe, and I don't expect us to either. Saints have a satellite academy in Bath, which is how they got and continue to get players like Gareth Bale and a number of other Welsh and West Country based players. The satellite academy allows them to have wider coverage within the academy travel distance radius rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 God I hope none you making comments about NC body language do become psychologists your so off the mark with your comments. NC like the late Marcus are very private people and did not like hogging the media like some former chairmen and directors of our club. I would recommend you listen to the full 24 minute interview Thank god we have NC in charge of the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 No feedback yet from the two posters going to dinner with NC tonight. Can't still be passing the port. Maybe Cortese really is as evil as the Daily Echo would have us believe, and the two posters on here were the dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 I hope ladysaint asked him about the "Ball Signing" room in the new training ground building... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Good long interview. Answered without hesitation although he would have known all the questions before hand. No doubt that Cortese is an intelligent, motivated Chairman with a fantastic plan and a belief in those who have to execute the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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