dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Makes no financial sense to sell now, when in 6 months time the club could be worth a lot more if promoted to the Championship. Which is the operative word in that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Which is the operative word in that statement? It wouldn't be worth any less if the club aren't promoted, so might as well sit tight and enjoy the ride for a while seeing what happens without investing any more cash if they aren't happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 It wouldn't be worth any less if the club aren't promoted, so might as well sit tight and enjoy the ride for a while seeing what happens without investing any more cash if they aren't happy. nope, sell the assets NOW and then sell the rest a bit later on will make more than the difference between a L1 team and a Championship team.If it cost another 3 or 4 million in investment to get to the NPC it's not worth the trouble.We could probably get more than the Liebherrs paid for the outfit by selling a few "stars" now.Why should they wait if they're determined to sell..which they probably aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Just seen it in the sun, its in the Goals section within the bid called 'Nickoos bites' or something like that, and is about 3 lines. Hardly clear cut stuff there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I won't believe it until it's either in the Mail or the Express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 It wouldn't be worth any less if the club aren't promoted, so might as well sit tight and enjoy the ride for a while seeing what happens without investing any more cash if they aren't happy. We have no idea of the family or the club's financial status right now. We have no idea of the family's motives towards the club only Markus's. Who's to say they don't want to be shot of a business that's bleeding money right now as opposed to sit and hope our value increases in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Just seen it in the sun, its in the Goals section within the bid called 'Nickoos bites' or something like that, and is about 3 lines. Hardly clear cut stuff there Can someone write it out, word for word please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 From the same paper today... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3259645/Fergie-handed-100m-war-chest.html How likely is it the Glazers will give Fergie £100m to spend? Random dartboard of rumours in their office... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I doubt this is true especially just days after resubmitting plans for the training ground, and even if it is, Saints are an even more attractive investment proposition now than 18 months ago when Liebherr brought the club. The club would just be sold onto another extremely rich owner. based on what? football clubs are in the main poor investments. We've already had our sugar daddy I can't see their being loads more all waiting to buy saints in the current climate. Markus got us at a knock down price we won't be cheap now as the owners will want their money back plus some extra. If someone wants to buy a lower league club there are plenty of cheaper options than us. I mean look how long it took to to get someone interested in sheff wednesday and then they ended up with Mandric. Maybe the saints trust will raise the money for a fans buy out.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I notice the Liebherr ladies attend every match, even cup matches. While they remain fans I am not worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I notice the Liebherr ladies attend every match, even cup matches. While they remain fans I am not worried. Rule 1. Good to hear though, hopefully they will be catching the supporting bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 (edited) based on what? football clubs are in the main poor investments. We've already had our sugar daddy I can't see their being loads more all waiting to buy saints in the current climate. Markus got us at a knock down price we won't be cheap now as the owners will want their money back plus some extra. If someone wants to buy a lower league club there are plenty of cheaper options than us. I mean look how long it took to to get someone interested in sheff wednesday and then they ended up with Mandric. Maybe the saints trust will raise the money for a fans buy out.................. Sheff Weds were riddled with debt, old stadium, I don't think they own the training ground etc etc Saints have a large fanbase, modern stadium, training ground development, a strong squad for the league, Jackson's farm and importantly no debt. It is therefore very attractive to investors. There are still plenty of extremely wealthy people looking for football clubs, just the type of opportunity they are looking for rarely comes up. Very few English clubs have to offer what Saints do in terms of infrastructure, fanbase and potential. The day the Liebherr's do sell up, they certainly won't be short of interest from abroad from extremely wealthy people. Edited 6 December, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Saints have a large fanbase, modern stadium, training ground development, a strong squad for the league, Jackson's farm and importantly no debt. It is therefore very attractive to investors. There are plenty of extremely wealthy people looking for football clubs, very few English clubs have to offer what Saints do in terms of infrastructure, fanbase and potential. The day the Liebherr's do sell up, they certainly won't be short of interest from abroad from extremely wealthy people. Well that depends on what the asking price is. As for lots of people that want to buy football clubs....... It might be time to lay off the drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I notice the Liebherr ladies attend every match, even cup matches. While they remain fans I am not worried. Picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Sheff Weds were riddled with debt, old stadium, I don't think they own the training ground etc etc Saints have a large fanbase, modern stadium, training ground development, a strong squad for the league, Jackson's farm and importantly no debt. It is therefore very attractive to investors. There are plenty of extremely wealthy people looking for football clubs, very few English clubs have to offer what Saints do in terms of infrastructure, fanbase and potential. The day the Liebherr's do sell up, they certainly won't be short of interest from abroad from extremely wealthy people. and far more expensive. Depends what investors are looking for I suppose. I don't think ML would have bought us today the attraction was the knock down price and chance to make a lot of money back later. A club in our postion will be a lot more expensive which will cut into the money you make back when it's sold on for a profit at a later date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Can someone write it out, word for word please? Nicola Clotese, the man behind the rip-off ticket tax, is understood to have been instructed to sell Southampton Football club by Hilda Liebherr, daughter of the late owner. Sources close to the club tell The Sun that interest has already been expressed by local businessmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Nicola Clotese, the man behind the rip-off ticket tax, is understood to have been instructed to sell Southampton Football club by Hilda Liebherr, daughter of the late owner. Sources close to the club tell The Sun that interest has already been expressed by local businessmen. I thought Katharina was in charge now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I thought Katharina was in charge now. No, it's his other daughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Nicola Clotese, the man behind the rip-off ticket tax, is understood to have been instructed to sell Southampton Football club by Hilda Liebherr, daughter of the late owner. Sources close to the club tell The Sun that interest has already been expressed by local businessmen. Oh no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Echo now onto the rumour http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/8721644.Saints_are__up_for_grabs__alleges_report/ A NATIONAL newspaper report has this morning claimed that Saints are 'up for sale again'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 i thought katharina was in charge now. whoosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Saints have refused to comment, but that is the club's normal stance when it comes to speculation in the media. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I see the first consortium meeting has already convened.... I just remember I rang him up at home to ask him about his posts. I was off my head at the time so it was quite funny. His missus answered and I asked to speak to tommac from TSF and he denied everything. Those were the days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 No, it's his other daughter. Katharina now runs the MALI group though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Katharina now runs the MALI group though. That's interesting. When did control pass to Hilda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 That's interesting. When did control pass to Hilda? Couldn't say, I only know about the industrial side of the affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 My house is not currently on the market but if someone came in and offered me 10% more than I thought it worth I would sell it. My take from talking to people closer to the club than I that this is the case now and has been since September. Certainly influential people in the City have been made aware of it. Word has been put around that the Liebherr's would be prepared to sell if the money was right. What frightens me is this is a green light for all the idiot tyre kickers (Fulthorpe, Pinnacle, Help Me Rhonda etc) to come out of the woodwork - after all with no debt we are a good buy. At least we can have confidence in NC quickly sorting out the genuine buyers if indeed any exist. Marcus's premature and sad death was probably the biggest blow this club has suffered to its well being since relegation from the Prem. I still maintain all along we should have been prepared for this and started some sort of partial ownership initiative if only to stop the club falling into the wrong hands. I am sure the Liebherr family would have looked kindly on some sort of fan buy out. Not saying it works or is ideal but I would rather have the club part owned by the fans than by the likes of people like Risdale or mandaric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Nicola Clotese, the man behind the rip-off ticket tax, is understood to have been instructed to sell Southampton Football club by Hilda Liebherr, daughter of the late owner. Sources close to the club tell The Sun that interest has already been expressed by local businessmen. I thought Katharina was in charge now. No, it's his other daughter. Is Hilda the one who comes to matches with her hair in rollers,covered with an SFC headsquare, and a cigarette dangling out one corner of her mouth ? If so,I believe you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 What frightens me is this is a green light for all the idiot tyre kickers (Fulthorpe, Pinnacle, Help Me Rhonda etc) to come out of the woodwork - after all with no debt we are a good buy. Not this time. Unlike before we don't have people with shares in SLH looking to manipulate the market. That is all the crap was about last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Is Hilda the one who comes to matches with her hair in rollers,covered with an SFC headsquare, and a cigarette dangling out one corner of her mouth ? No that's bridge too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 We know that Katharina and the family knew how much Saints meant to Markus and that he felt he had a duty to provide Southampton with a legacy where Saints are concerned. Therefore I am confident that they will continue to see out his wishes, if only to see out the five year plan. Let's not also forget that Saints were the beneficiaries of a proportion of Markus's personal wealth due to the arrangements he made before his passing, which probably means that they don't even have to worry about financing the plan, so the only real reason to sell woud be if they do not have the time necessary to devote to the club amongst running the Mali group. This doesn't really make much sense either as Cortese is running the club on a daily basis for them, so the amount of time they need to invest is minimal, add to this the attendance of various Liebherr family members at our home games and also that you can regularly see Markus's girls sat in the directors box at our home games, so on this basis I don't see there being any truth in this rumour, just like the last one in the summer when there was a claim that Markus had put Saints up for sale as a result of his fallout with Pardew and disappointment of us not reaching the play offs last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 We know that Katharina and the family knew how much Saints meant to Markus..... I'm not being funny but Katharina and Hilda probably don't like football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 We have no idea of the family or the club's financial status right now. We have no idea of the family's motives towards the club only Markus's. Who's to say they don't want to be shot of a business that's bleeding money right now as opposed to sit and hope our value increases in the Championship. Are you insinuating that the Liebherr family are skint? I highly doubt it. Nicola Clotese, the man behind the rip-off ticket tax, is understood to have been instructed to sell Southampton Football club by Hilda Liebherr, daughter of the late owner. Sources close to the club tell The Sun that interest has already been expressed by local businessmen. If they're still using that pathetic "Clotese" nickname then I don't believe anything they print about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 If they're still using that pathetic "Clotese" nickname then I don't believe anything they print about us. I can now see why they made you a mod. It takes a certain astuteness that many aspire to but few achieve. There's no flies on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I can now see why they made you a mod. It takes a certain astuteness that many aspire to but few achieve. There's no flies on you. I didn't even bother reading after Clotese tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I think it’s time we need investment, the likes of which no single entity can provide… We need the Magnificent Seven to step forward! Fulthorpe / Lowe / Wilde / Help me Rhonda / Tommac / Marc Jackson / Mickey Fialka. Only then will I be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I think it’s time we need investment, the likes of which no single entity can provide… We need the Magnificent Seven to step forward! Fulthorpe / Lowe / Wilde / Help me Rhonda / Tommac / Marc Jackson / Mickey Fialka. Only then will I be happy. Imagine that. It'd be like the egg heads playing in the local pub league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I think it’s time we need investment, the likes of which no single entity can provide… We need the Magnificent Seven to step forward! Fulthorpe / Lowe / Wilde / Help me Rhonda / Tommac / Marc Jackson / Mickey Fialka. Only then will I be happy. Come on,no serious investment is complete without Barry the Briefcase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 RNS Number : 4539W W.H. Ireland Group PLC 18 November 2010 TR-1: NOTIFICATION OF MAJOR INTEREST IN SHARESi What could this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 RNS Number : 4539W W.H. Ireland Group PLC 18 November 2010 TR-1: NOTIFICATION OF MAJOR INTEREST IN SHARESi What could this mean? Do they have anything to do with us anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Sorry to interrupt all the 'funny' red herrings, but has anyone got a clear family tree for Markus's branch of the family? Is Katharina his only child, or is there also a son as I read somewhere once? Are we owned by any particular individual member of the family, or by the Mali group? Is the show-jumper Christina (?) related? Are any Leibherrs actually definitely attending games regularly? If so, who? Trying to get a clear picture in my mind of who in the family matters, and who in the family cares about Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Do they have anything to do with us anymore? Who? What? Where? How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 RNS Number : 4539W W.H. Ireland Group PLC 18 November 2010 TR-1: NOTIFICATION OF MAJOR INTEREST IN SHARESi What could this mean? Someone wants to aquire them. The business has been failing for a while, but they manage some reasonable assets, so someones about to do a Gordan Gecko on them them, buy the business and, ditch the dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Who? What? Where? How? W.H Ireland...i'm sure Lowe linked us with them in some way. Wasn't he on the board there or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Someone wants to aquire them. . Robin Griffiths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Sorry to interrupt all the 'funny' red herrings, but has anyone got a clear family tree for Markus's branch of the family? Is Katharina his only child, or is there also a son as I read somewhere once? You'd be thinking of Herman. As far as i'm aware he's on a gap year and is currently trekking in the Belgian Congo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Someone wants to aquire them. The business has been failing for a while, but they manage some reasonable assets, so someones about to do a Gordan Gecko on them them, buy the business and, ditch the dross. I'm not so sure about that Gemmel. Since the rise on the back of the announcement there has been litte speculation on them. Slight dip by .5p today. We'll know for sure whether Rupert has had them round for Saint Agur and Port by the end of the week if normal service is resumed and the SP is back down sub 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 just imagine that someone bought debt free saints and mortgaged the club to the eye balls in getting us.. meaning no more lambert type of signings and lallanas would need to be sold.. a mini man u if you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 just imagine that someone bought debt free saints and mortgaged the club to the eye balls in getting us.. meaning no more lambert type of signings and lallanas would need to be sold.. a mini man u if you like The Man Utd of the South. I like the sound of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 The Man Utd of the South. I like the sound of that. of course..ticket taxes and car parking charges would be the start of it all...just to service the debt and the earnings of the owners (saying owners as it would be a consortium) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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