Saint J 77 Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 It would be a good match OX and Arsenal as it seems Wenger likes them black and young, I expect Walcott is too old for him now (joke) To be honest I really dont want players in the side that dont want to be here. If he wants to go then let him go, same for Adam. I know that philosophy wouldnt leave us with many talented players but it would give us a sqaud of players playing for the shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 and as of late sits on the bench every week. Achieved much - absolutely. Come on hugely - Not for me, in terms of ability, I see the same player that left us he was their main man before getting injured..scored a few goals this season.. not many players in the country would shift Nasri from the team at the mo (who is in theos position) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 Chamberlains dad is his agent and is already talking to the very top clubs in the premier league. There is talk (from his dad) About selling him to a top club and loaning him back. Whether saints agree to that is another matter of course. His dad is defo courting the big 5 clubs at the moment so unlike lallan there seems to be no longer term plan to develop his career here Chamberlains father has already said in an interview somewhere (can't remember where) that he is not going to let his son move too early and feels the best place for him ATM is at Southampton. Also, anyone who says Walcott is not reaching potential is clearly a bit mental, he was more or less a regular in our WC qualification and probably still would be if he wasn't so injury prone. Whenever the lad plays a consitant run of games he looks a very good player indeed. Chambo is not as good as Walcott is yet, i still think tactically and as far as a footballing brain is concerned he has a better one but he is not as quick and never will be (pace being a very very attractive commodity in the top level nowadays). He is also only playing against League 1 teams and is not consitantly looking like a world beater nor is picking up MOM awards left right and center. Should we keep him ? Of course we should and of course he will improve but ATM i wouldn't say he is in Walcotts bracket, could he be ? Possibly he is direct, strong and technically looks pretty good but as quick as he is he doesn't have that searing pace that Walcott had and that is what set the lad apart from EVERYONE else back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 If we were in the Premier league and OX was playing for Bournemouth no doubt we would be interested in him The top teams want the best players We are far from being a top team at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singeon Sears Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 he was their main man before getting injured..scored a few goals this season.. not many players in the country would shift Nasri from the team at the mo (who is in theos position) I know he was and agree about Nasri, but IF Walcott had really developed that much under Wenger he would find a place for him in the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 To a certain extent, Theo has suffered from the sheer weight of expectation placed on him from a very young age. Due to injuries and lack of form at times, he's never quite managed to deliver the performances we know he's capable of on a regular basis. But he's still 21 - that's right, TWENTY ONE. We seem to have this bizarre view in this country that if you're not a world-beater by the age of 21, you never will be. It's crazy. Even by the time the next World Cup is held, he'll be 25. As for Ox, hopefully he'll stay here for a while. Don't forget that when Theo was with us, we were very much on the way down. Now we're on the way up again, there's maybe less need for our best players to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 I know he was and agree about Nasri, but IF Walcott had really developed that much under Wenger he would find a place for him in the team to be fair...van persie cant get into the team at the mo..and he is a real class act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 I know that philosophy wouldnt leave us with many talented players but it would give us a sqaud of players playing for the shirt. Or, alternatively, a squad of players playing for us because nobody else will take them. The whole idea of 'playing for the shirt' is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 I know he was and agree about Nasri, but IF Walcott had really developed that much under Wenger he would find a place for him in the team Isn't he injured at the mo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 Or, alternatively, a squad of players playing for us because nobody else will take them. The whole idea of 'playing for the shirt' is ridiculous. This. What we really want is a group of professionals who will give their all because that's what they're paid to do. Unlike the recently departed Mr Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 This. What we really want is a group of professionals who will give their all because that's what they're paid to do. Unlike the recently departed Mr Puncheon. Everyone is a mercenary. This is the real world. I don't mean any offence in saying that but sadly that is the world. You give what you can until a better offer comes along and then it is jump ship time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 Isn't he injured at the mo? No, he was injured but came back about a month or so ago. Struggling to hold down a place in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 No, he was injured but came back about a month or so ago. Struggling to hold down a place in the team. which has come along with the emergence of nasri..probably the best player in the league right now... van persie is also sat on the bench (as arsenal sit top of the league) and he is genuine class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 The fact that Theo made the England team for Germany 2006 and not for a weaker side in South Africa shows how little he has progressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 i dont think the world cup 2010 selection was well thought out....probably did him a favour by not playing..joe cole got better and better the more he sat on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 Everyone is a mercenary. This is the real world. I don't mean any offence in saying that but sadly that is the world. You give what you can until a better offer comes along and then it is jump ship time. Except the fans of course, the fans feel a passion for their club and they can't understand why players don't feel the same hence the upset when a player moves on. Sadly the days of MLT type players are gone, the PL saw to that in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 i dont think the world cup 2010 selection was well thought out....probably did him a favour by not playing..joe cole got better and better the more he sat on the bench Neither selection was well thought out, Sven should never had taken Theo to Germany. But it illustrates perfectly how he has not developed as well as he was expected to, my Arsenal supporting mates agree - he can be frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 Neither selection was well thought out, Sven should never had taken Theo to Germany. But it illustrates perfectly how he has not developed as well as he was expected to, my Arsenal supporting mates agree - he can be frustrating. expected to...by who..? saints fans..? he is a good player..sure he is not world class but a good player who has achieved a massive amount at such a young age (bale has yet to achieve what he has).. with that, it is clear bale is far better technically and will go on to better things..but people talk about walcott like some sort of failure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 Wingers will allways be frustrating, fans just do not get that. As a winger you are judged on the amount of times you beat a full back and get to the byeline, as a full back you are judged on the amount of times a winger gets around you and gets to the byeline. There has to be some sort of give. Walcott beats the fullback more times then he doesn't, but of course he will be frozen out at times, Ronaldo and Messi are frozen out at times, does it make them bad players ?? No. I don't know why Sven didn't take Walcott but our slow, ageing and somewhat clueless display in SA showed up Capellos lack of a plan B. He pandered to the big names and picked them over what we really needed. Lampard laughing and joking on the pitch when we went out told me all i needed to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 expected to...by who..? saints fans..? Saints fans, Arsenal fans, the media. If you get in the World cup squad aged 17 then don't make a weaker one aged 21 you havn't developed as well as thought. I still think he will go on to be a top player. All youngsters go through a dodgy patch (like Bale did) but I think Theo has suffered through the weight of expectation at Arsenal and lack of first team action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 There is no doubt in my mind that he's going to be a star. No matter what his dad has said, money will change everything. The only way we are going to retain this kid is with back to back promotions. I cant see us being a selling club, esp not with NC at the helm. We don't need the money anymore. Will be interesting. Always find this interesting when people say this, Clubs always need money no matter who you are and how much you have. Im sure Man utd didnt need 80m for Ronaldo but they still sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 Always find this interesting when people say this, Clubs always need money no matter who you are and how much you have. Im sure Man utd didnt need 80m for Ronaldo but they still sold. Have you not seen Man Utd's finances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 5 December, 2010 Share Posted 5 December, 2010 Always find this interesting when people say this, Clubs always need money no matter who you are and how much you have. Im sure Man utd didnt need 80m for Ronaldo but they still sold. Pretty sure the Glazers did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonibell Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 (edited) And now Lowe couldn't get a good deal? Are we rewriting everything today! The only thing he could do was get a good price. How about Peter Crouch 6m to Liverpool sold again 11m (think 1 season)to the skates and then to Spurs also 1.5m in Januray 2005 for Kevin Phillips(then £750,000 at the end of the season we we were relegated from the premiership ). Even Bagpuss said if we kept Walcott in a year he would be a £20 million pound player. I have only been in the Uk for nearly 5 years and seen Southampton FC sell many good player. Edited 6 December, 2010 by tonibell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 How about Peter Crouch 6m to Liverpool sold again 11m (think 1 season)to the skates and then to Spurs also 1.5m in Januray 2005 for Kevin Phillips(then £750,000 at the end of the season we we were relegated from the premiership ). Even Bagpuss said if we kept Walcott in a year he would be a £20 million pound player. I have only been in the Uk for nearly 5 years and seen Southampton FC sell many good player. The key thing you are overlooking is, we did not have a choice with Walcott. He was 16 and therefore wasn't signed on to a professional contract. Arsenal could have waited until Walcott's 17th birthday and signed him then. All we'd have got was a tribunal fee for his career development, which typically is around £600k. The rumour at the time, IIRC, was that Theo and his family didn't want to f**k Saints over like this and were insistant on a deal whereby we at least got a decent payment. £12m all in all was a decent deal at the time (Would have bought 133 Ricardo Fullers). IF he had stuck around and signed on professional terms, as you say we could have got £20m + for him. The fees for Crouch and Phillips were about right. Why you would want to sell him in January, before we were relegated is beyond me. Especially with Beattie gone and Crouch still unproven. I do agree though that more should have been invested from the Beattie sale other than the McQ transfer and a couple of loans. Imagine the amount of grief/money spending £2m on a decent centre half would have saved us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 The old adage that 'if you are good enough you are old enough' stands imho. Having said that I personally feel that Alex has much to learn but at our level we are fortunate to have him, we'd be hard pushed to buy a player like him within our current budget. Love to see him progress with us even for just one more season, after that I wouldn;t mind us realising our investment and pumping the profits back into the squad thus developing Adkins resume. imho our ultimate success lies with the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 I'd love to see Alex stay with us right up until the Prem, that would be the best way for him to learn his trade as a player, seeing how teams play at all these different levels and improving as a player while our squad is improved by new players coming in. As much as i'd like to see that, I doubt it will happen like that. He'll be poached sometime soon by a Premiership club where he won't get played and his development will suffer as a result. But we'll get a f*ckload of money for selling him to do that, so it's not all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 Lallana was tapped up by Spuds last season, but declined because he wanted to stay at Saints. Le Tissier could have moved on numerous occasions but decided to stay with us. Basically it just comes down to where the player wants to be. If Ox is happy here I hope we can continue to afford him and keep him happy competitively wise. His England chances dont seem to have been compromised as he was chosen for the U-18 squad a few weeks back. So If we get promoted this season, money is made available for good quality transfers, and the whole club is forward looking and progressing well, I can see Ox and Lallana staying for another season or 2. If not??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 6 December, 2010 Share Posted 6 December, 2010 From "the Rumour Mill" in the Guardian.... According to Goal.com Aston Villa oddity Stephen Ireland could be off to Celtic on loan. Molde chief Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is "eyeing" Manchester United's Magnus Eikrem. Liverpool and Marseille are both consumed by a hot funk of priapic desire for poor unsuspecting blameless Rod Fanni, who really shouldn't ever come to England. And Arsenal want to sign Southampton's Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, who is a 30-something shaven-headed utility midfielder who likes to get his foot in and has an impressive long throw. Not really. He's actually a s****ily-skilled 17-year-old midfielder. But you knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 7 December, 2010 Share Posted 7 December, 2010 Daily Mirror running a story that Adkins has said 'hands off' to clubs, specifically Arsenal, who are trying to sign Chambo. Good on him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 December, 2010 Share Posted 7 December, 2010 Daily Mirror running a story that Adkins has said 'hands off' to clubs, specifically Arsenal, who are trying to sign Chambo. Good on him! Which means nothing at all really, managers of lower league clubs like us say this all the time but if the player wants away there's not much we can do to stop them. While we may not need the money as badly as some clubs (although in truth none of us really know the clubs finanical state) we're still a league one club. Clubs above us can offer higher standards of football and no doubt offer better contracts than we can do. Hell even if we were in the PL we wouldn't be able to stop our best players going to one of the big four or five let alone in league one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaststander Posted 7 December, 2010 Share Posted 7 December, 2010 A "hands off warning" usually loses to a "come and get me plee" in the long run. All just paper talk, with no match reports to write, on day 3 the story gains momentum as it is rewritten by those that didn't have the idea in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 7 December, 2010 Share Posted 7 December, 2010 The saints rose tinted specs out in force again, Turkish is clearly taking the p155 but the others sucked in crack me up. Anyone who rates the oxo kid at 50% of Theo's level at the same age are actually mental. Theo was the best kid for his age group in Europe, broke Rooney's records for age and goal scoring at U16 and U18 England level and was genuinely wanted by Real, Barca, Man U and Arsenal. He is now an important player the best footballing team in England by a distance, scored a hat trick in the best individual England performance by one player in a competitive game since Beckham vs Greece, scored in a cup final, scored a winner in a champs league semi final, a wonder run vs Liverpool which if Arsenal had held on in injury time would be hailed - oh, and he scared the s*** out of Barcelona (the best group of players since Brazil '70 imo) last season. Ask Guardiola of he rates Wallcott? If oxo kid can achieve that before he's 22 I'll by a season ticket at Fratton! Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 7 December, 2010 Share Posted 7 December, 2010 The fact that Lampard even got a game for England at the World Cup was an absolute joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 December, 2010 Share Posted 7 December, 2010 http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Arsenal-warned-off-Southampton-teen-sensation-Alex-Oxlade-Chamberlain-article645683.html That old pattern emerging again.....Saints academy player gets attention is national press. Wenger or saggy chops eventually snap em up. Saints fans left watching the player score hatricks in champs league or for national team. Everyone praises Wenger or whoever on what a great job they did in developing the player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 December, 2010 Share Posted 7 December, 2010 Its obvious you couldnt expect AOC to play another year in Lg1. If we get promoted this year and again to the prem in a couple of years we might hang on to him. Otherwise it would best for the club and for him if we cash in with loads of add ons based on future performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 December, 2010 Share Posted 7 December, 2010 Its obvious you couldnt expect AOC to play another year in Lg1. If we get promoted this year and again to the prem in a couple of years we might hang on to him. Otherwise it would best for the club and for him if we cash in with loads of add ons based on future performance. surely at Oxos age we will be entitled to no more than a devlopment fee set by a tribunal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 December, 2010 Share Posted 7 December, 2010 (edited) surely at Oxos age we will be entitled to no more than a devlopment fee set by a tribunal? Tribunals are for players under 24 that are out of contract (like Ryan Dickson for example) or players yet to sign a professional contract. Chamberlain has signed a 3 year professional contract at Saints, so if Arsenal want him they will have to pay big money for him. Edited 7 December, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 December, 2010 Share Posted 7 December, 2010 Tribunals are for players under 24 that are out of contract or yet to sign a professional contract. He has a 3 year professional contract, so if Arsenal want him they will have to pay big money for him. Good to hear. That wasn't the same with walcott though was it? I'm sure at the time he could off walked and we would have got next to nothing but the family insisted the club got a decent wedge or did I mis-here that story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 December, 2010 Share Posted 7 December, 2010 Tribunals are for players under 24 that are out of contract (like Ryan Dickson for example) or players yet to sign a professional contract. Chamberlain has signed a 3 year professional contract at Saints, so if Arsenal want him they will have to pay big money for him. You are literally the voice of wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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