Sheaf Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 History of hooliganism - Russia haven't got a good rep have they. While England is now increasingly known for very good crowd control at major events, you get Russian club owners openly admitting they wouldn't sign black players and the club that sold Odemwinge to West Brom held up a huge banner thanking WBA for taking him which also included a picture of a banana. Yeah and South Africa has got one of the worst records in human history when it comes to racism, but that didn't stop FIFA giving them this years WC did it? I never said that Russia doesn't have a good reputation, and I don't doubt that the current issues they have with racism and bribery are much worse than what we have in modern-day England, but to whinge that they shouldn't have been given the WC and it should have gone to us instead because of this just comes across as sour grapes. We know FIFA are corrupt; we knew they probably wouldn't give the WC to England. It's done - accept it and move on. What so England can't host another world cup until Fiji or Swaziland or Haiti have had their turn. Italy, Germany, France, Mexico, and Brazil (by 2014) will all have hosted it twice anyway. Personally, I don't think any of those countries you listed should have been given a second one if there were other countries bidding who have never held one. Just my opinion which I am entitled to, as you are to yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Yeah, cos English football is squeaky clean as well isn't it! Dear Christ, all the accusations on this forum about corruption against the PL and the FL from our administration to the Pompey debacle. Yet when Russia gets picked to host the WC, everyone's upset because of the corruption in their national game. I don't know why anyone is surprised. FWIW, I really didn't care whether England got it or not, and I'm not the slightest bit surprised we didn't. If we had, the Russians would only be complaining about it owing to our history of hooliganism etc... It's swings and roundabouts. We've already held one WC. The way I see it, we shouldn't get to hold another one until everyone else has had their turn. Just because other countries are more corrupt and less capable than we are to stage the WC, doesn't mean they shouldn't be given the opportunity. You have half a point but we are now out of our big holliganist era and it is pretty much under control these days. Russia is a different kettle of fish and are still a long way behind us as a nation it terms of racism and xenophobic attitudes. They still throw bananas and make monkey noises at black players FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Matty Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Gutted - but at least when the next bid goes in we can have SMS ready instead of b----y Argyle, what a joke that would have been! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Isn't it about 50% degrees in Qatar during World Cup months. I can see that tournament being a classic. and people wonder why they hold the African cup of nations in the middle of the English season in January lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 You really have taken the prize for the biggest load of tosh there. History of hooliganism - Russia haven't got a good rep have they. While England is now increasingly known for very good crowd control at major events, you get Russian club owners openly admitting they wouldn't sign black players and the club that sold Odemwinge to West Brom held up a huge banner thanking WBA for taking him which also included a picture of a banana. What so England can't host another world cup until Fiji or Swaziland or Haiti have had their turn. Italy, Germany, France, Mexico, and Brazil (by 2014) will all have hosted it twice anyway. Mexico have only been awarded hosting rights once, they held the tournament in 1986 because Colombia defaulted on their bid at a stage when it was far too late to change the destination very far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 This is precisely the reason that we didn't win it, and it because we think we are OWED it not deserved but OWED. We the English are so arrogant, the media has been saying for a long time that we are the only real choice and anything less would be a farce. We were not owed the world cup, Russia winning it doesn't really hit me with any real 'scandal' thoughts, Qatar winning it however is a completely different matter and stinks of back handers etc. No we just know when we've been screwed over that is all. FIFA said that ours was the best technical bid, independent consultants said we would be the biggest commercial success and our presentation was well ahead of the others. To then only get two votes (one of which was from an Englishman) shows we got screwed over. If we'd have lost out narrowly to Russia I don't think it would nearly have been the same reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Mexico have only been awarded hosting rights once, they held the tournament in 1986 because Colombia defaulted on their bid at a stage when it was far too late to change the destination very far. I know that thanks, just pointing out that several others have hosted twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 IM not suprised at the outcome but shocked we were knocked out in the first round with two votes we were clearly penalised god we are useless at penalties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 No we just know when we've been screwed over that is all. FIFA said that ours was the best technical bid, independent consultants said we would be the biggest commercial success and our presentation was well ahead of the others. To then only get two votes (one of which was from an Englishman) shows we got screwed over. If we'd have lost out narrowly to Russia I don't think it would nearly have been the same reaction. I can concede the points if all this was in hindsight, and i do agree with you it appears that we have been screwed over in the fact that we only got 2 votes. My point however is all the boll*cks before had that pretty much expected us to win it as if we have some sort of devine right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 At least after the 2022 World Cup, Qatar will have some cracking stadiums to stone women in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 The other countries hate us because we have the best league, best stadia, best support and most money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grammy Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Those ****s firing flares into the stand at the Birmingham v Villa game last night probably didn't help us much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 The other countries hate us because we have the best league, best stadia, best support and most money. Although not purpose built for football...the stadiums in the USA are bigger and better than those in England. Those on the Spanish bid would also have been bigger than the English stadia and the Russian stadiums also are large and impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Those ****s firing flares into the stand at the Birmingham v Villa game last night probably didn't help us much. Wouldn't have made a jot of difference. Russian and Spanish matches have flares all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Those ****s firing flares into the stand at the Birmingham v Villa game last night probably didn't help us much. certainly didn't, I don't think the English bid was favourite at any time but 2 votes!!! The yob culture in England is perceived as a big, big problem everywhere except in the UK and has certainly contributed to getting just 2 votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 and people wonder why they hold the African cup of nations in the middle of the English season in January lol It's out of order that, the world should revolve around the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 certainly didn't, I don't think the English bid was favourite at any time but 2 votes!!! Only got 1 vote really, as one of the 2 was from an Englishman voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Wouldn't have made a jot of difference. Russian and Spanish matches have flares all the time. never seen a flare at a match in Spain and I've seen quite a few.As for Russian football who watches that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I don't think that Jews are excluded from Qatar. At any rate, Qatar has agreed to welcome the Israeli national team should they qualify. However, this is a terrible decision as is Russia for 2018 (but that's another thread). Sounds like Somalia should be a shoe-in for 2026 then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Although not purpose built for football...the stadiums in the USA are bigger and better than those in England. Those on the Spanish bid would also have been bigger than the English stadia and the Russian stadiums also are large and impressive. I'm talking about within the game, of course USA have excellent stadia in other sports but I don't think the 3rd teir of USA, Spain or Russian football could boast stadia like SMS, Hillsborough or The Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 It's out of order that, the world should revolve around the premier league. No way, the world should revolve around league 1 !! After all the best PL players wouldn't cut it in league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I'm talking about within the game, of course USA have excellent stadia in other sports but I don't think the 3rd teir of USA, Spain or Russian football could boast stadia like SMS, Hillsborough or The Valley. Universities in the USA have stadiums better than a number of Premier League stadiums. American Football stadiums can easily be used for football and that was the plan on their 2022 bid, like it was in 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Qatar no jews You will find they have made a concession in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 At least after the 2022 World Cup, Qatar will have some cracking stadiums to stone women in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I'm talking about within the game, of course USA have excellent stadia in other sports but I don't think the 3rd teir of USA, Spain or Russian football could boast stadia like SMS, Hillsborough or The Valley. the very fact that such clubs are in the 3rd tier is probably an explanation in itself.They are all there because at some time or other in the recent past they have spent far far far more money than their income allowed. It just couldn't happen anywhere else.UK football is sick with money and lack of it.It is not about sport any more it is about money, if you can't conjure up 75£ every other Saturday you probably can't watch your favourite team if they happen to be arsenal or Chelsea.The top teams are no longer for the masses,they are for plastic supporters with money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 No way, the world should revolve around league 1 !! After all the best PL players wouldn't cut it in league 1 True, If Lambert was from the Ivory Coast, Drogba wouldn't get in their side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Been to Doha once for 18 hours. It was plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I wonder if that nice chap from Qatar will now still stand against blatter next year or will blatter be un-opposed ? Just asking that's all not saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 certainly didn't, I don't think the English bid was favourite at any time but 2 votes!!! The yob culture in England is perceived as a big, big problem everywhere except in the UK and has certainly contributed to getting just 2 votes. Because there is no problem in Russia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 This beggars belief. Are FIFA taking the p*ss or what? They must be out of their minds. Besides the corruption, Russia has a real problem with football violence. Much, much worse than England. Then there is the problem of Chechen terrorism. This scum will stop at nothing (remember Beslan?) and Russia don't have a good track record of preventing attacks or dealing with emergenicies efficiently. This WC will be a disaster on an unprecedented scale. Now, I like Russians, my sister in law is Russian, and I think the British media are too often unduly negative about Russia. But the World Cup? Not there please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Universities in the USA have stadiums better than a number of Premier League stadiums. American Football stadiums can easily be used for football and that was the plan on their 2022 bid, like it was in 1994. My point was that the other FIFA reps don't like us because they are jealous of the money and success in our game not that the 12 stadia for the bid were the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Because there is no problem in Russia... it's not about football,it's about the yob culture in general. I'm sure they have their problems in Russia as well but they are not similarly perceived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 tbf you could make a good argument for any of England; Spain /Portugal; Holland/Belgium or Russia hosting 2018. Im disapppointed but dont think Russia is an unreasonable choice. Qatar in 2022 is just ****ing bananas though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 tbf you could make a good argument for any of England; Spain /Portugal; Holland/Belgium or Russia hosting 2018. Im disapppointed but dont think Russia is an unreasonable choice. Qatar in 2022 is just ****ing bananas though. maybe they'll drop out, 2022 is a long way away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightysaints Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Its all about brown paper bags, you either swim with the sharks which we as jolly hockey sticks England just do not do or you go for broke and be as bent as possible. Look at British Areospace being interviewed and fined over coruption regarding export contracts, could you imagine Russia or other countrys doing this i think not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 tbf you could make a good argument for any of England; Spain /Portugal; Holland/Belgium or Russia hosting 2018. Im disapppointed but dont think Russia is an unreasonable choice. Qatar in 2022 is just ****ing bananas though. My thoughts exactly. Who was up for 2022 ?? I know USA was another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Russia have never held it before but for our bid to have only 2 votes beggars belief. Only ourselves and Turkey voted for us! Are we a shoe in for the next world cup is Brazil fail to get the infrastructure in place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 My thoughts exactly. Who was up for 2022 ?? I know USA was another Australia, Korea and Japan. Too soon for Korea and Japan but should most definitely been the Aussies (and they only got ONE vote). What a stitch up!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Exactly. It looks as though the media ruined it for us. The fifa voters have been hanging around each other for years. They travel together to see the places bids. They are like a group of friends who at the centre is a guy who has been against English football for years. The last thing we wanted to do was **** them off and give him an excuse. And the BBC obviously did that. But for what? The viewing figures they would of got during an England World Cup would of been huge. BBC get their salary and perks from the government - I think that is the root of the cause.. Imagine doing something that would **** off a customer 4 days before they were about to place a massive contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 BBC get their salary from the government No they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 BBC get their salary and perks from the government - I think that is the root of the cause.. Imagine doing something that would **** off a customer 4 days before they were about to place a massive contract. How is it on your planet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 looks like the daily mail readers (we are the victims our out in force today) lol;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 England 2018 and USA 2022 would have been the most profitable world cups of all time. To be honest if i took out my Englishness, I could see why Russia are the hosts. Its taking the world cup to a country and region that is interested in football, and once the infrastructure is in place everything should work. Russia does still have issues, but South Africa is much worse and that went off without a hitch. I also believe you will fill stadiums in Russia. Qatar though................. They have the money in place to build fantastic stadia, and travel around the country will be easy. But I forsee huge (even more than normal) ticket, accomodation and travel prices, Qatar is not a nation with a strong national team and will probably be blown out of the World Cup. They are hosting the Asian Championship next year (So it would be like Poland/Ukraine hosting 2018). Finally it is in a bad area geographically to attract foreign supporters, and the temperatures out in the open will be extremely high went getting from A to B (the stadiums will have temperature control, but obviously your only there for 2 hours). In our case i can accept that we didnt win it, and that Russia are hosting 2018. But i do find it amazing that after everything we affectively only garnered 1/21 votes (worse than 2006 where we really did nothing but shout WE MADE THE GAME! over and over). Also in my opinion the USA and Aussie bid teams can feel extremely aggrieved by this decision, as they are both clearly better candidates (So are Japan and Korea but the fact that they hosted it so recently made them extremely unlikely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Russia have never held it before but for our bid to have only 2 votes beggars belief. Only ourselves and Turkey voted for us! Are we a shoe in for the next world cup is Brazil fail to get the infrastructure in place? No. I think Trinnidad and Tobago are the shoe-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 No they don't. The govt set the level of the licence fee. The licence is mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Qatar? F*cking Qatar? Absolutely disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 BBC get their salary and perks from the government - I think that is the root of the cause.. Imagine doing something that would **** off a customer 4 days before they were about to place a massive contract. Its called having a broadcaster independent of government and owner. Occasionally that lack of control can bite you in the arse but I sure as hell wouldnt swap it for any of the US networks editorial policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 It's clear that Sepp Blatter wants the World Cup to make an impact in new places, so on that basis alone I don't think we could ever have won. People keep banging on about it being the best technical bid, but if the main criteria was to give the World Cup to somewhere that needs developing, then the technical quality of the bid mattered very little. We keep telling ourselves that people all over the world love English football; well, maybe other countries like our clubs and players, but they certainly don't like our constant droning on about being the home of football. Sadly that is all we have left to cling to these days! Working on that criteria, it should have gone to that crappy little island at the other end of the M27, that is both corrupt, and in need of re-development!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 blatter is a ****..it is now being "confirmed" that in the briefing that he "reminded" the 22 of the BBC broadcast... he is a self serving **** who loves the way he floats around the planet like a world leader... another thing that stinks..is why aren't the unsuccessful nations debriefed on their failings...told where they went wrong etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 they certainly did not help..... what was it someone said.."harm one member of the FIFA family, you hurt them all" why couldnt the BBC wait a few days Why the fVk should they? FIFA is bent. If a few more news organisations around the world did as the BBC and Sunday Times did, then FIFA would have to clean up their act, and World cup bids would go to the best candidate, possibly England, and not to who gives the biggest bungs, probably Russia/ Quatar. I would rather not have the that oily little pratt Blatter anywhere near our shores anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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