Nicola Cortese has a heart.

[derry]

I have heard the same, he is demanding and doesn't put up for slackers or people just there for an easy life. Easy to see how that would get peoples backs up, especially if they end up unemployed.

 

I have also heard good things in the fact that he rewards forward thinking and ambition along with good work ethics.

 

How is that a bad thing ? Surely thats what work should be ?

 

Pretty much what she said. She obviously did a good job because she was promoted into an area she wanted to work in.

[Smirking_Saint]

lol @ you getting wound up by what's witten on a forum.

 

 

Yeah i won't lie it did wind me up a little.

 

Weellllll

 

He is our commander and chief.

[aintforever]

I've read somewhere today that Lowe responded to a letter campaign from the womans husband,when still alive, with a letter telling him to buy one of the message bricks.

 

To be fair, if that was Cortese's response it would be classed as "good business sense" on here.

[Turkish]

I have heard the same, he is demanding and doesn't put up for slackers or people just there for an easy life. Easy to see how that would get peoples backs up, especially if they end up unemployed.

 

I have also heard good things in the fact that he rewards forward thinking and ambition along with good work ethics.

 

How is that a bad thing ? Surely thats what work should be ?

 

When a new boss comes in at the top and shakes things up, new ideas, new ethos and demanding performance it usually brings two types of responses. Some rise to the challenge and perform better then even they thought possible and others are resentful, refuse to change and grow and end up either being fired or leaving. It happened at a company i worked for when a new Senior Director came in, a lot of people who had been cruising and underperforming but were part of the furniture and drawing big salaries were given a chance and if they didn't buck their ideas up were out of the door. Some did, some didn't, the ones that didn't went, the ones that did got well looked after. The new guy was hated for a while but the result was our division reported quarter on quarter growth for 9 quarters, some of that during the recession. Ultimately directors aren't there to be liked, they are there to get results and the best out of the staff.

[Smirking_Saint]

When a new boss comes in at the top and shakes things up, new ideas, new ethos and demanding performance it usually brings two types of responses. Some rise to the challenge and perform better then even they thought possible and others are resentful, refuse to change and grow and end up either being fired or leaving. It happened at a company i worked for when a new Senior Director came in, a lot of people who had been cruising and underperforming but were part of the furniture and drawing big salaries were given a chance and if they didn't buck their ideas up were out of the door. Some did, some didn't, the ones that didn't went, the ones that did got well looked after. The new guy was hated for a while but the result was our division reported quarter on quarter growth for 9 quarters, some of that during the recession. Ultimately directors aren't there to be liked, they are there to get results and the best out of the staff.

 

Pretty much

[hypochondriac]

Good news. Nice to hear some positive stories come out of the club for a change.

[hypochondriac]

Not sure I like the insinuation that those who dislike Cortese and subsequently left are all stubborn, underperforming lazy workers who are incapable of change though.

[buctootim]

It's not all that big a difference in any case,shows though just a what age lads were going to work in places like the gas works. I remember mum telling me she started in some sort of cheese factory at about the same age before restarting studies at about 16/17.

 

My dad was on wartime convoys to Murmansk in Russia at 15. Incredible to think now.

[Smirking_Saint]

Not sure I like the insinuation that those who dislike Cortese and subsequently left are all stubborn, underperforming lazy workers who are incapable of change though.

 

Much rather think they were butt f*cked in a closet ?? As it sits nicely with the little anti-NC vibe you have got going

[Turkish]

Not sure I like the insinuation that those who dislike Cortese and subsequently left are all stubborn, underperforming lazy workers who are incapable of change though.

 

Well it's quite simple, things changed when NC took other, quite clearly. Either people liked the changes or they didn't. Those that did, did what was asked and possibly more, those that didn't had other choices, do it anyway, not do it and face the consequences or leave. Those that are no longer there are not there because they wouldn't or couldn't accept changes in the workplace, right or wrong?

[Smirking_Saint]

Well it's quite simple, things changed when NC took other, quite clearly. Either people liked the changes or they didn't. Those that did, did what was asked and possibly more, those that didn't had other choices, do it anyway, not do it and face the consequences or leave. Those that are no longer there are not there because they wouldn't or couldn't accept changes in the workplace, right or wrong?

 

Pretty much what i have heard, which appears to be what others have heard (see Derry's post)

 

But don't let that get in the way eh ??

[Turkish]

Pretty much what i have heard, which appears to be what others have heard (see Derry's post)

 

But don't let that get in the way eh ??

 

Indeed, he is a c*nt, just because he is. If he posted on here he'd win the most hated thread on the TMS easily.

[hypochondriac]

Much rather think they were butt f*cked in a closet ?? As it sits nicely with the little anti-NC vibe you have got going

 

Here you are again talking total rubbish to suit your agenda. Why not accept that some may be like that but others may have left for other reasons. That seems like the most sensible opinion to take.

[hypochondriac]

Well it's quite simple, things changed when NC took other, quite clearly. Either people liked the changes or they didn't. Those that did, did what was asked and possibly more, those that didn't had other choices, do it anyway, not do it and face the consequences or leave. Those that are no longer there are not there because they wouldn't or couldn't accept changes in the workplace, right or wrong?

 

It's difficult to comment because I don't know what as demanded of the workers or if different things were asked of different people.

[hypochondriac]

Pretty much what i have heard, which appears to be what others have heard (see Derry's post)

 

But don't let that get in the way eh ??

 

Really showing your young years here. Either give it a rest and reply sensibly or don't bother.

[Smirking_Saint]

I am just not going to bother if its all the same to you

 

Love how you have jumped on Dune's insult and carried it on as your own though inventive

[hypochondriac]

I am just not going to bother if its all the same to you

 

Thank christ. Please keep to it.

[hackedoff]

Is it true that the plaque is being made by the same bloke who made the original Ted Bates statue ?

[Smirking_Saint]

Thank christ. Please keep to it.

 

No its fine i will.

 

I mean whats the point in responding to you in the first place ?? You rarely if ever have anything remotely interesting to say except for 'thats what i thought' after a vital piece of ITK info, act as the forum snitch and are generally a strange individual.

 

I was happy with the original arrangment you asked for TBF in the fact that we would ignore each other, but seeing as you seem incapable of that can't you just press the ignore button ??

[buctootim]

Love how you have jumped on Dune's insult and carried it on as your own though inventive

 

Thats his entire posting style right there. Empty vessel.

[hypochondriac]

No its fine i will.

 

I mean whats the point in responding to you in the first place ?? You rarely if ever have anything remotely interesting to say except for 'thats what i thought' after a vital piece of ITK info, act as the forum snitch and are generally a strange individual.

 

I was happy with the original arrangment you asked for TBF in the fact that we would ignore each other, but seeing as you seem incapable of that can't you just press the ignore button ??

 

I presume you are referring to the 'most hated poster' thread? Please I implore you to put me on ignore. Jesus I miss the old forum.

[hypochondriac]

I haven't even read anything by Dune so I have no idea what you are talking about.

[hypochondriac]

Anyway back on topic and as I said initially, nice to hear some positive stuff from the club for a change. Well done Cortese.

[Smirking_Saint]

I presume you are referring to the 'most hated poster' thread? Please I implore you to put me on ignore. Jesus I miss the old forum.

..........

Edited 2 December, 2010 by Smirking_Saint
Not what you were banging on about

[Turkish]

It's difficult to comment because I don't know what as demanded of the workers or if different things were asked of different people.

 

Well it must have been, because if things had stayed EXACTLY the same as under the old regime then no one would have any reason to leave and no one would have any opinion on Cortese. Directors aren't there to be popular and to be honest, in my experience, the ones that want and try to be are useless.

[stardustonmyfeet]

How do we know that they were all Saints fans? Seems a bit of a coincidence to me.

 

Exactly what i thought. IMO true Saints fans would have made sure they were bombed to death at Fratton Park.

[hypochondriac]

Well it must have been, because if things had stayed EXACTLY the same as under the old regime then no one would have any reason to leave and no one would have any opinion on Cortese. Directors aren't there to be popular and to be honest, in my experience, the ones that want and try to be are useless.

 

I wasn't asking if he was popular. I just find it difficult to comment when I don't know what has been asked of the workers. Different does not always mean better or even suggest that Cortese has been reasonable. I hope so.

[aintforever]

When a new boss comes in at the top and shakes things up, new ideas, new ethos and demanding performance it usually brings two types of responses. Some rise to the challenge and perform better then even they thought possible and others are resentful, refuse to change and grow and end up either being fired or leaving. It happened at a company i worked for when a new Senior Director came in, a lot of people who had been cruising and underperforming but were part of the furniture and drawing big salaries were given a chance and if they didn't buck their ideas up were out of the door. Some did, some didn't, the ones that didn't went, the ones that did got well looked after. The new guy was hated for a while but the result was our division reported quarter on quarter growth for 9 quarters, some of that during the recession. Ultimately directors aren't there to be liked, they are there to get results and the best out of the staff.

 

To be fair, if a new boss comes in and they are completely ****e they are also very unpopular.

[Smirking_Saint]

Well it must have been, because if things had stayed EXACTLY the same as under the old regime then no one would have any reason to leave and no one would have any opinion on Cortese. Directors aren't there to be popular and to be honest, in my experience, the ones that want and try to be are useless.

 

Being a decent manager you can't be a mate to everyone, you just end up looking like David Brent.

 

Problem is being a director will automatically put you in more or less a lose lose towards the staff as if you are too nice/appeasing then you get nothing out of your staff in the form of production/progression. Too hard and you get a small amount of vociferous staff members who hate not having the easy life they once had.

 

It all depends on the sort of person the staff members are, personally i would much prefer to have a manager/director that awards progression and ambition and generally gets the best out of you then one that is scared to change things is not progressive and generally lets staff skills stagnate into a laid back and uncaring mess.

[Smirking_Saint]

Exactly what i thought. IMO true Saints fans would have made sure they were bombed to death at Fratton Park.

 

lol

[hypochondriac]

To be fair, if a new boss comes in and they are completely ****e they are also very unpopular.

 

That's my point. Not saying that is the case but there is of course two sides to every story.

[Smirking_Saint]

To be fair, if a new boss comes in and they are completely ****e they are also very unpopular.

 

True

 

But honestly if you hear the noises then it sort of makes sense, i know people that have left (and they do have the hump) and people that are still there. When you filter them together and think about it you get the truth.

 

I honestly think Cortese is a hard task master, which could be seen as bad of course it will, but in equal measure he rewards hard work and ambition and wants people around him that equally want success for themselves and want to move on.

 

Peoples opinions in conjunction with working with him are made up dependant on their mental make up and whether they are just at work for an easy buck or to actually work hard and progress.

[hypochondriac]

I honestly think it is difficult to comment on how reasonable or unreasonable Cortese is as we have no personal experience of it. I have heard both positive and negative things about him and his managing style so I wouldn't like to presume that the people who did not get on with him are just looking for an easy ride, especially as one who has left is my best friend's aunty and I know she is a hard worker. She got a new job straight away.

[hypochondriac]

But again, trying to get the thread back on topic, I hope Cortese is as progressive and positive as many think. Certainly this sort of thing is what I hope to hear more of from SFC. It's nice to see we are still doing some stuff for the community. This goes along with the life season ticket for the baby as something really decent. Long may it continue.

[Crazy Diamond]

This.

A good bit of PR all for the price of a plaque and a handful of screws.

 

Hmm speaking of old screws...

[saintedwill]

Isn't it a bit of a shame that a thread which talks about the commemoration of 11 people who lost their lives during one of the most viscious and debilitating wars of the last century has descended into talking about whether or not our chairman is nice to work for or not?

[hypochondriac]

Isn't it a bit of a shame that a thread which talks about the commemoration of 11 people who lost their lives during one of the most viscious and debilitating wars of the last century has descended into talking about whether or not our chairman is nice to work for or not?

 

I agree. Hopefully we will be able to discuss the issues on a thread in future without people getting personal or going off topic. In this case it was this post which kicked it all off:

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?26774-Nicola-Cortese-has-a-heart.&p=905610#post905610

[Legod Third Coming]

Look, the first biot is great - well done Nicky.

 

But this thing about all these ex exmployees. Who are they? Where are they?

 

The only person I don't see at SMS now who I used to see is Pardew. Otherwise, the same fit bird gives me my tickets, the same spotty oik or cute chubby chick pours my pint and the same steward is stood on the steps. Now, I know I am not privvy to the entire staff but...

 

Do we actually have any HARD evidence of this ethnic cleansing at SMS???

[Wes Tender]

Nothing to do with the thread, but why is it, Hypochondriac, that you have to make separate posts a couple of minutes apart? Take this thread, for example.

You have consecutive posts 56 & 57, 63,64 & 65, 71,72 & 73 and 83 & 84.

 

So why is that? Is it that you are incapable of pausing a minute or two and posting your thoughts collectively? Do you think, damn, I forgot to mention something important a couple of minutes ago?

 

Or is it a device to inflate your post count for some reason?

 

If you were you to desist with this, many of these threads would be much shorter and easier to read.

[Legod Third Coming]

But again, trying to get the thread back on topic, I hope Cortese is as progressive and positive as many think. Certainly this sort of thing is what I hope to hear more of from SFC. It's nice to see we are still doing some stuff for the community. This goes along with the life season ticket for the baby as something really decent. Long may it continue.

 

We seem to be doing more now in the community than for the last ten years.

 

Is that just modern PR? Maybe.

 

But I just don't get this idea that we're not a community-facing/thinking club. Didn't we kick off some massive fundraising thing only a week or two back?

[hypochondriac]

We seem to be doing more now in the community than for the last ten years.

 

Is that just modern PR? Maybe.

 

But I just don't get this idea that we're not a community-facing/thinking club. Didn't we kick off some massive fundraising thing only a week or two back?

 

Please don't take my post as a criticism. It wasn't.

[Dr Who?]

I really do wonder how people on here get to such high postings, but if you look at this page surely one post would be fine when 5 or 6 small posts are used instead... and it is not even interesting and I just read it all.

 

Lowe v NC really do we have to go over this time and time again....... move on guys it is boring!!

 

How about we start a Lowe v NC thread and make it a sticky, and then when it starts up on another thread we just direct the posters in the direction of the said thread. I was quite happy reading the posts about the lovely gesture by the club and NC, and then had to read through loads of tosh to see if there was any more info on the story that the post was started about.

Edited 3 December, 2010 by Dr Who?

[Turkish]

I really do wonder how people on here get to such high postings, but if you look at this page surely one post would be fine when 5 or 6 small posts are used instead... and it is not even interesting and I just read it all.

Lowe v NC really do we have to go over this time and time again....... move on guys it is boring!!

 

How about we start a Lowe v NC thread and make it a sticky, and then when it starts up on another thread we just direct the posters in the direction of the said thread. I was quite happy reading the posts about the lovely gesture by the club and NC, and then had to read through loads of tosh to see if there was any more info on the story that the post was started about.

 

come from someone that started threads on favourite sandwiches, favourite cheese, favourite fish and who will score our next goal?

[saintfully]

come from someone that started threads on favourite sandwiches, favourite cheese, favourite fish and who will score our next goal?

 

Just out of interest, what was his favourite sandwich? Mine is bacon, obviously.

[Dr Who?]

come from someone that started threads on favourite sandwiches, favourite cheese, favourite fish and who will score our next goal?

 

Ok point taken, but I have not bought it up in other posts have I? Bacon & Egg Mayo by the way Apart from now!

[Gemmel]

Its also so so so easy to sack people without having to go through a tribunal these days, so easy

 

 

Yes it is, but maybe we found out the hard way

[docker-p]

Personally I think Derry's original post is at fault. Yes it is a good gesture by the club. Fullstop. It didn't need to be headlined as some sort of massive gesture by your man NC. Those who support NC can not go grasping at every little example of humanity as evidence that NC is doing a good job. And likewise those who think he is a plumb should not perhaps think of this a scheming PR.

It was worthwhile act by the club. End of.

[Charlie Wayman]

We do need to keep a sense of proportion about these things. SMS was built in 2001 over 60 years after the Nazi blitz of the town centre yet there has never been even a thought of erecting any kind of memorial in the St Mary's area to those lost in that shelter before to my knowledge. It is well to remember that other shelters were hit as well, notoriously the one outside Edwin Jones and of course the Above Bar area was totally destroyed yet there are no memorials worthy of the name anywhere to be seen and no great clamour to turn our City into a mausoleum and quite rightly so in my view.

 

In the past people just wanted to forget the damage and depredations of two world wars in quick succession - in which sudden and unexpected death became a frequent visitor - and move on with Life. The poverty and misery of the population in their aftermath took years to ease and quite understandably few wished to be reminded of those all too recent ghastly events through memorials and the like. People may well have been in a state of permanent denial about the past and who could blame them?

 

Now, we live in more affluent and strangely reflective times where new generations have developed a kind of sadly misplaced nostalgia for horrific events that are beyond their ken. Distance blurs memories and memorials are perhaps necessary reminders of the cruel lessons of history that must never be forgotten but they should never be more than that.

 

If Mr Cortese wishes to honour people in this way then good for him but do not automatically jump to the conclusion that earlier custodians of the land in which the tragedy occurred were heartless brutes - emphatically they were not. Judge today's events and cations by today's standards by all means but do not fall into the trap of judging decisions made in earlier times by today's standards please.

 

I was never a supporter of Mr Lowe but let's be fair he battled long and hard for a new stadium for SFC and eventually succeeded. Just trying to find a site, the money and the strength to battle through all the planning nightmares would probably have been enough distraction for most, having to then deal with issues like memorials well come on chaps... as I said please keep a sense of proportion especially as we don't have transcripts of any of the conversations of the time.

[Window Cleaner]

We do need to keep a sense of proportion about these things. SMS was built in 2001 over 60 years after the Nazi blitz of the town centre yet there has never been even a thought of erecting any kind of memorial in the St Mary's area to those lost in that shelter before to my knowledge. It is well to remember that other shelters were hit as well, notoriously the one outside Edwin Jones and of course the Above Bar area was totally destroyed yet there are no memorials worthy of the name anywhere to be seen and no great clamour to turn our City into a mausoleum and quite rightly so in my view.

 

In the past people just wanted to forget the damage and depredations of two world wars in quick succession - in which sudden and unexpected death became a frequent visitor - and move on with Life. The poverty and misery of the population in their aftermath took years to ease and quite understandably few wished to be reminded of those all too recent ghastly events through memorials and the like. People may well have been in a state of permanent denial about the past and who could blame them?

 

Now, we live in more affluent and strangely reflective times where new generations have developed a kind of sadly misplaced nostalgia for horrific events that are beyond their ken. Distance blurs memories and memorials are perhaps necessary reminders of the cruel lessons of history that must never be forgotten but they should never be more than that.

 

If Mr Cortese wishes to honour people in this way then good for him but do not automatically jump to the conclusion that earlier custodians of the land in which the tragedy occurred were heartless brutes - emphatically they were not. Judge today's events and cations by today's standards by all means but do not fall into the trap of judging decisions made in earlier times by today's standards please.

 

I was never a supporter of Mr Lowe but let's be fair he battled long and hard for a new stadium for SFC and eventually succeeded. Just trying to find a site, the money and the strength to battle through all the planning nightmares would probably have been enough distraction for most, having to then deal with issues like memorials well come on chaps... as I said please keep a sense of proportion especially as we don't have transcripts of any of the conversations of the time.

 

now if I remember rightly there was a memorial down by Holyrood (next to the Old Sun Inn-across the way from the Pier)I did a bit of archaeological excavation on the site and distinctly remember pointing out the memorial (form of an anchor?) to a young lady who from Santa Barbara who was working with us. Could be wrong but maybe not.

[Wes Tender]

Personally I think Derry's original post is at fault. Yes it is a good gesture by the club. Fullstop. It didn't need to be headlined as some sort of massive gesture by your man NC. Those who support NC can not go grasping at every little example of humanity as evidence that NC is doing a good job. And likewise those who think he is a plumb should not perhaps think of this a scheming PR.

It was worthwhile act by the club. End of.

 

Fair enough, had you not posted this in agreement with Smears:-

 

Lets face it cortese needs all the good PR possible in his current status

.

This.

A good bit of PR all for the price of a plaque and a handful of screws

 

So by inference you seem to be placing yourself in the camp that considers him a plum. Fair enough, as I say, but having commented yourself, it seems a bit disingenous to attempt to disallow others to pass comment.

 

And what's this "your" man NC? As Chairman of the Club, he's "our" man.