Lambert bust up with Adkins (Hoax)

[Lord Duckhunter]

He hasn't performed at the same level this season and that's plain for all to see. Whether it's a blip, he's not fully fit or it's his attitude is for NA to work out, that's what he gets paid for. Personally I think we've seen the best we're going to see of him and I'm starting to think he's "gone".Not based on any insight, just a gut feeling. I always felt he would get us out of this League, but would need replacing if we want to challange at the top of the Championship.I like the guy, but there's no way he's good enough for the Premiership.

[SaintRobbie]

Rumour has it that Adkins asked for more energy at half time from Lambert and got a load of verbal resulting in the half-time substitution. Anyone else heard the same?

 

Well Ricky has been slow and not the same man we had last year banging in the goals. More than enough fans on here have been saying the same thing. So, well done Adkins. If Lambert isnt firing then sell him.

[Saint_Ash]

Why is this still going when it's been proved that the original comments have been made up?

[Window Cleaner]

Why is this still going when it's been proved that the original comments have been made up?

 

and where was that then? not that I doubt it because it sounds far fetched, but then so did some of the stuff lb told us.Most of which seemed to have some factual base in the end.

[Saint_Ash]

This was the article, the subject of the op - http://www.fansonline.net/southampton/article.php?id=914

 

And here is a post on the Ugly from the writer of the above article

 

I should point out that I was just talking ****e and trying to stir things and have no idea if anything happened. But I do think it was very odd to take Lambert off, even if he had a slight knock, when we had made two subs and the keeper was struggling and twice needed treatment for the same injury

 

 

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_mb.php?m=v&t=12419&r=127212#127212

 

Quoted from post 88, follow the links and you'll see that what he wrote wasn't true.

[Window Cleaner]

"While much is too strange to be believed, nothing is too strange to have happened" TH

[Village Saint]

I was there yesterday and I thought he was doing ok, but I heard some comments from behind me saying that 'none of his passes had found any of our own players, which was patently untrue, but sometimes people see thing according to their own prejudiced preconceptions. His ball control was certainly betters than Guly's.

 

At last someone without tunnel vision. To compare Ricky with the hapless Guly is absurd. Lambert was excellent in nearly every department against Brighton, for example, holding the ball up well; playing nice little switches with Dickson and Lallana. What is true is a) that he'll never have exceptional pace and b) that he isn't scoring at the phenomenal rate he did last year (and yes that is disappointing for a centre-forward) but his all round play is one of the reasons why we have the best record in the league currently (9-2-2) and it really is fractions that make teh diffrenece. Again against Brighton there was one brilliant bit of movement where he completely lost his marker and gave himself acres and acres of space to reach Richardson's cross and guide it in. Sadly he marginally mistimed the jump and got under it. All strikers go through these phases and I would bet on Ricky to get through it but maybe he wont and then we can look at it again. No need for panic yet though and I rather think he has done enough to be worth giving a chance to.

[suewhistle]

Cut the guy some slack FFS. You don't score the most goals in the country in a single season by being sh*t.

 

To be honest I don't think anyone thinks this, rather there is frustration after what we saw from him last year. It's not a Pulis situation, is it?:-) But he's already been given an awful lot of rope with which to hang himself, and we can all see something isn't right, so the question is how much more slack can we give him? A goal with his knee, shin, bum or shoulder might kick-start his season but when...

[Thedelldays]

I was listening to the posh commentators the other week.....when rickie came off, they could not say enough good things about him..saying he lead the line brilliantly and was a constant threat for their defence which allowed others space..

 

yet, on here you would think he had a terrible game...

[Dalek2003]

This is an example where a big name manager who has dealt with international players and been on the big stage himself could identify Ricky's problem and deal with it.

NA is Sturrock clone, he can get a donkey to win a donkey derby but he cannot train a race horse.

[Turkish]

This is an example where a big name manager who has dealt with international players and been on the big stage himself could identify Ricky's problem and deal with it.

NA is Sturrock clone, he can get a donkey to win a donkey derby but he cannot train a race horse.

 

Err Ricky Lambert is not an international and NA has managed at a higher level than RL has played at.

[Window Cleaner]

Here's a thought for you.

RL probably played what somewhere around 58 games for us last season, most of them the full 90, that's probably nigh on a double season for most players. We might have burnt him out .

Southampton played far too many games last season and we may well be paying the penalty for it this season.

Edited 29 November, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[amsterdam]

This is an example where a big name manager who has dealt with international players and been on the big stage himself could identify Ricky's problem and deal with it.

NA is Sturrock clone, he can get a donkey to win a donkey derby but he cannot train a race horse.

 

Hmmmmm.... Who could you mean, Dalek?!! George Burley, perhaps?! ;-)

 

(sigh) if ONLY we had Glen Hoddle.... (smiley/winky thingy)

[View From The Top]

This is an example where a big name manager who has dealt with international players and been on the big stage himself could identify Ricky's problem and deal with it.

NA is Sturrock clone, he can get a donkey to win a donkey derby but he cannot train a race horse.

 

Adkins has managed at a higher level than Ricky has played.

 

Adkins dropped down a division and has not gone up two as Sturrock did.

 

So, to summarise, you're a c**t.

[Give it to Ron]

This is an example where a big name manager who has dealt with international players and been on the big stage himself could identify Ricky's problem and deal with it.

NA is Sturrock clone, he can get a donkey to win a donkey derby but he cannot train a race horse.

 

Like an international manager dealt with Le Tissier you mean...yeah good plan.

 

In the run up to 1998 FIFA World Cup, he scored a hat-trick in a game for England B; despite this, he was controversially overlooked by manager Glenn Hoddle for the final squad, a decision that the player himself cited as a hiatus in his career after which his form never fully recovered.[15] Ironically, given his reputation for penalty taking, England exited the tournament after losing to Argentina in a penalty shoot out.

[Saint Billy]

Here's a thought for you.

RL probably played what somewhere around 58 games for us last season, most of them the full 90, that's probably nigh on a double season for most players. We might have burnt him out .

Southampton played far too many games last season and we may well be paying the penalty for it this season.

 

Yeh you could well be right there.

 

The other thought I had was that he may be a Rooney type, not in style but in his inability to get himself out of a rut. Rooney has only just started showing signs of getting it back together in his game at the weekend against Blackburn, a loss of form that he has been in since the World cup. A long lay off under the disguise of injury is the only thing that has started his recovery and perhaps this is the only way we can ever hope of seeing the real RL again.

[Turkish]

Adkins has managed at a higher level than Ricky has played.

 

Adkins dropped down a division and has not gone up two as Sturrock did.

 

So, to summarise, you're a c**t.[/quote

 

:lol::lol:

[SFKA South Woodford]

This is an example where a big name manager who has dealt with international players and been on the big stage himself could identify Ricky's problem and deal with it.

NA is Sturrock clone, he can get a donkey to win a donkey derby but he cannot train a race horse.

 

Dalek, Hoddle is a terrible man manager as has been demonstrated in his career as a club manager and as an international manager, and with his comments on the disabled he makes David Icke look like Sigmund Freud!

[up and away]

I was listening to the posh commentators the other week.....when rickie came off, they could not say enough good things about him..saying he lead the line brilliantly and was a constant threat for their defence which allowed others space..

 

yet, on here you would think he had a terrible game...

 

He was certainly of use in that game, but if you are considering using him in a 451 formation at the present, it looks a total waste of time. If you think everything is ok, you are sadly deluded, just the stats should be enough. We have to manage this in the best way possible, such we still are in with a chance when we can solve any issues in the January window. That means dropping Ricky when the formation or the game does not favour him.

 

We will soon notice when he is back on form and there has been no lack of confidence in some of his build up play. Ricky shows no signs of wanting to leave and Adkins has shown no sign of wanting to let him go. As soon as Ricky gets back to last seasons form, then use him all the time, otherwise don't make this any worse than what it has to be.

 

One simple observation, we won't get automatic promotion continually playing the Ricky of this season. We need to get back the Ricky of last season or find someone else to help him out.

[Deppo]

I agree with getting a bust of Lambert done up as he is a club legend, but I don't think the club should be getting one of Adkins yet. Maybe see how he gets on this season. Are the busts going up in reception? Can fans get to see them?

[dune]

Adkins has managed at a higher level than Ricky has played.

 

Adkins dropped down a division and has not gone up two as Sturrock did.

 

So, to summarise, you're a c**t.

 

It takes one to know one.

[St Chalet]

Adkins has managed at a higher level than Ricky has played.

 

Adkins dropped down a division and has not gone up two as Sturrock did.

 

So, to summarise, you're argument fails.

 

I've suggested an edit for you, keep it civil please.

[benjii]

I agree with getting a bust of Lambert done up as he is a club legend, but I don't think the club should be getting one of Adkins yet. Maybe see how he gets on this season. Are the busts going up in reception? Can fans get to see them?

 

 

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[buctootim]

 

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Looks just as much like RL as it does Ted Bates tbf

[MarkSFC]

It's an interesting point that Window Cleaner makes regarding the number of games played by Rickie last season. He actually played a game at Brizzle so 59 games!

 

I checked and over his last 5 seasons since '05/'06 he has played 50, 52, 57, 48, and 59 an average of 53 games each season. In that time he has also averaged 23 goals per season.

 

Without doing alot of research I doubt there are few players in world football who have played that many games over the same period.

 

Admittedly over the last month or so I have become concerned that his goals have dried up. But with the knowledge of his workload it seems very logical that what he is going through is a bit of lethagy and fatigue, and almost certainly more mental than physical.

 

If Pardew had managed to get another striker in and if Barnard and Connolly had been fit all season I suspect Rickie would now be in a better position.

 

As it is he will almost certainly have to wait until at least January to get a rest which I think he needs.

 

Only he and NA will know what the real matter is and only they can sort it. I'm sure they will.

 

Considering all the concern there seems to be and the fact that we are well in the pack for top two, just imagine how good we'll be with some more options from Jan AND a firing Rickie for the last 4 months?!!

[Smirking_Saint]

He is not sh*t, as others have said before you don't just turn sh*t as a striker.

 

He is also not playign quite as sh*t as everyone is making out.

 

It is however, blatently obvious that he is lacking confidence, he is dropping deep in desperation, not looking to shoot and trying to play simply rather than take a chance.

 

Our main problem is we have nobody to replace him with, you couldn't play Connolly for longer than 10 minutes without him requiring the use of a zimmer frame.

 

For some strikers you need to put your arm around them and give them time, we have done that and there comes a point when you need to concede defeat and give him some time off. The problem is who for ??

 

If he scores a couple he should come good but saying that he will still get 20 this season is almost as rediculous as calling for him to be sold.

 

Perhaps it is because he is used to playing for teams with an excuse and being the big fish, even last season we were the underdogs in the race to be promoted really (although i still feel we failed) this season is a completely different kettle of fish and people look for him to be our talisman, that is a lot to deal with.

[doddisalegend]

He is not sh*t, as others have said before you don't just turn sh*t as a striker.

 

He is also not playign quite as sh*t as everyone is making out.

 

It is however, blatently obvious that he is lacking confidence, he is dropping deep in desperation, not looking to shoot and trying to play simply rather than take a chance.

 

Our main problem is we have nobody to replace him with, you couldn't play Connolly for longer than 10 minutes without him requiring the use of a zimmer frame.

 

For some strikers you need to put your arm around them and give them time, we have done that and there comes a point when you need to concede defeat and give him some time off. The problem is who for ??

If he scores a couple he should come good but saying that he will still get 20 this season is almost as rediculous as calling for him to be sold.

 

Perhaps it is because he is used to playing for teams with an excuse and being the big fish, even last season we were the underdogs in the race to be promoted really (although i still feel we failed) this season is a completely different kettle of fish and people look for him to be our talisman, that is a lot to deal with.

 

Watching Oxo trying to win headers from hoofed balls as the front man last saturday was painful but thats what we could be reduced too without Lambert at the moment. The question is why people on here were pointing out last summer that some sort of back up for Lambert might be needed we've come through both a transfer and loan window the club still haven't brought in any back up for him. I can understand that they hoped things would improve but they say they new he had injury problems so why no back up even if it was just a loan?

[Smirking_Saint]

Watching Oxo trying to win headers from hoofed balls as the front man last saturday was painful but thats what we could be reduced too without Lambert at the moment. The question is why people on here were pointing out last summer that some sort of back up for Lambert might be needed we've come through both a transfer and loan window the club still haven't brought in any back up for him. I can understand that they hoped things would improve but they say they new he had injury problems so why no back up even if it was just a loan?

 

No idea, i said before the start of the season our main problems (replacement wise) would not be Antonio or Papa as IMO we have more than enough wide men, or we did before we let Punch go. But would be a midfielder and backup to Rickie, we have sorted the midfield slot but now we really need to be looking at striking replacements.

[VectisSaint]

The question is why people on here were pointing out last summer that some sort of back up for Lambert might be needed we've come through both a transfer and loan window the club still haven't brought in any back up for him.

Was Bignall a figment of my imagination? Admittedly not with us long, but the Club did actually bring in backup.

[doddisalegend]

Was Bignall a figment of my imagination? Admittedly not with us long, but the Club did actually bring in backup.

 

Was Bignall a replacement for Lambert? didn't look like a big front man to me looked more of a pacey player like Guly though hard to tell as I only saw him play about 15mins while he was here. Also as you say he wasn't here long considering the state of our strike force at the moment prehaps someone else before the window shut would have been helpful.

[Scudamore]

If he scores a couple he should come good but saying that he will still get 20 this season is almost as rediculous as calling for him to be sold.

 

How is it ridiculous to believe that he'll score 20+ goals this season?

 

Perfectly possible.

[Saint_clark]

How is it ridiculous to believe that he'll score 20+ goals this season?

 

Perfectly possible.

 

Indeed, he's got 7 so far, do people honestly expect him to go the rest of the season scoring less than 13 goals?

[doddisalegend]

Indeed, he's got 7 so far, do people honestly expect him to go the rest of the season scoring less than 13 goals?

 

only 6 goals surely. Even if he's scored 7 thats one every three games if he keeps that rate up for the rest of the season he should get around another 8 (possibly 9) so yes in less his form improves I could see him scoring less than 20 this season. When was the last game he scored in?

[Chez]

One thing that suprised me yesterday was on two occassions Lambert had an opportunity to go for goal but headed across a crowded penalty area. Almost as if he had a bet on himself not to score.

 

It is either a confidence thing or he is not bothered. I am getting concerned it is the latter. Not at all suprised to see him come off at half time.

Good spot, but to say he is not bothered makes you look foolish. He is quite clearly low on confidence and that it is hurting him.

Personally I was srprised he came off. He has been very poor this season, but he was not poor on Saturday.

[Secret Site Agent]

So, this is all a hoax and a wind up.

 

At least it has stimulated some good debate.

[Wes Tender]

Indeed, he's got 7 so far, do people honestly expect him to go the rest of the season scoring less than 13 goals?

 

As virtually all of his goals have been from penalties rather than from open play, then it rather depends on how many more penalties we will be awarded between now and the end of the season. As Weston Saint pointed out, he did have opportunities a couple of times to have buried headers in the Cheltenham match and opted instead to head across the goal for somebody else to attempt a tap in. The Lambert of old would definitely have headed towards the goal himself. The longer he goes without scoring in open play, the lower will his confidence fall.

[West End Saint]

His class will tell the last few league games he has played well leading the line and linking the play and has been unlucky not to score he will find his goal scoring boots and when he does it is happy days for us.

 

Yes he has been going through a barren spell and 1 problem I have noticed is once he has linked the play he hasnt been gettig into the box quick enough but I remain confident he will get on the scoresheet soon & then go on a run the goals will come.

 

If Lambo finds form and we continue to play well the timing could just be right for us the league is wide open & we are just outside the mix this could still be our year

[benjii]

Here's a thought for you.

RL probably played what somewhere around 58 games for us last season, most of them the full 90, that's probably nigh on a double season for most players. We might have burnt him out .

Southampton played far too many games last season and we may well be paying the penalty for it this season.

 

Could be some truth in that.

[thesaint sfc]

with our f*ck load of money and aspirations, I can't understand why we were unable to get a striker in on loan or something. I think Lambert just needs to be dropped and given a rest and give someone else a try - then he can play for his place in the team. He's far from sh*t - he scored more goals than anyone else in the FL last season! Something is wrong though - and he needs dropping to be able to sort it out.

[Scudamore]

only 6 goals surely. Even if he's scored 7 thats one every three games if he keeps that rate up for the rest of the season he should get around another 8 (possibly 9) so yes in less his form improves I could see him scoring less than 20 this season. When was the last game he scored in?

 

Yes well if life were actually quite so logically dull I'd probably not bother watching football. Is it "ridiculous" to believe a striker like Rickie Lambert could find form and score 14 goals in the remaining 28 games? No of course it's not.

 

We're gonna be scoring some serious goals in the coming months...and at some point Rickie's gonna be in amongst em. And once he starts firing in a couple and the confidence returns then all will be good.

 

Jeez...you lot are all so used to looking for the turd lining to every cloud. Our top striker not maintaining a strike rate as high as last season's ridiculously high marker does not mean he will be or should be sold in January.

 

We've got some people on here spending out on five new players in the transfer window. Is that really necessary?

 

Fortunately the man in charge has more of a clue when it comes to the real life world of football management and I'm sure it will be one of his top priorities to get to the bottom of how we can get Rickie back on top of his game. And i'm pretty sure he wont just usher the proven goalscorer out of the door for some bloke who's amehhhzen on Football Manager 2010.

 

Perhaps a rest would be good though. Get him out of the firing line for a bit. Give him a reason to come back with something to prove. Perhaps see how Barnard gets along up front with Guly before allowing Rickie back in to shove it up everyones a::se with a brace on his return!

[Wade Garrett]

Lambert is playing far too deep at the moment. He needs to be doing his work in and around the penalty area, not halfway up the pitch, or out wide.

 

Until that changes, he won't be scoring too many.

[doddisalegend]

Yes well if life were actually quite so logically dull I'd probably not bother watching football. Is it "ridiculous" to believe a striker like Rickie Lambert could find form and score 14 goals in the remaining 28 games? No of course it's not.

 

We're gonna be scoring some serious goals in the coming months...and at some point Rickie's gonna be in amongst em. And once he starts firing in a couple and the confidence returns then all will be good.

 

Jeez...you lot are all so used to looking for the turd lining to every cloud. Our top striker not maintaining a strike rate as high as last season's ridiculously high marker does not mean he will be or should be sold in January.

 

We've got some people on here spending out on five new players in the transfer window. Is that really necessary?

 

Fortunately the man in charge has more of a clue when it comes to the real life world of football management and I'm sure it will be one of his top priorities to get to the bottom of how we can get Rickie back on top of his game. And i'm pretty sure he wont just usher the proven goalscorer out of the door for some bloke who's amehhhzen on Football Manager 2010.

 

Perhaps a rest would be good though. Get him out of the firing line for a bit. Give him a reason to come back with something to prove. Perhaps see how Barnard gets along up front with Guly before allowing Rickie back in to shove it up everyones a::se with a brace on his return!

 

or could not, no one knows he could hit form and fly for the rest of season he might just stay as he is or even get worse. Hopefully the club management aren't basing our season on the hope that Lambert just clicks (like some on here) and have a contigency plan in place.

[dubai_phil]

Lambert is playing far too deep at the moment. He needs to be doing his work in and around the penalty area, not halfway up the pitch, or out wide.

 

Until that changes, he won't be scoring too many.

 

Thnak fook, I thought I was seeing things. I am sure he is playing behind Barnard, sort of an advanced "In The Hole" position.

 

Having seen it myself twice, that seemed to me to be a clear tactical decision and would explain why he isn't in the box as much and why NA is happy with what he is doing for the team

[Window Cleaner]

 

 

 

 

Perhaps a rest would be good though. Get him out of the firing line for a bit. Give him a reason to come back with something to prove. Perhaps see how Barnard gets along up front with Guly before allowing Rickie back in to shove it up everyones a::se with a brace on his return!

 

 

Trouble with Barney is that he doesn't seem to be able to go the distance any too often,we get an hour out of him each time but no more.Lambert has been shouldering all the donkey work for far too long and we don't have any real alternatives,last season we had Papa and Antonio to help out a bit. When you look at the appearance statistics this season and last for some of our players you can see exactly why their form might have dipped. Rickie 83 games in 16 months (plus pre-season) Deano virtually the same,Lallana 70 odd,Morgan 70 ish plus 6 or 7 internationals, the lads are probably ****ged out most of the time,some handle it better than others but you can bet your old boots that any base injuries (you know those deep rooted niggles that you can tolerate) aren't getting any better.

[jasoneuelllfanclub]

Trouble with Barney is that he doesn't seem to be able to go the distance any too often,we get an hour out of him each time but no more.Lambert has been shouldering all the donkey work for far too long and we don't have any real alternatives,last season we had Papa and Antonio to help out a bit. When you look at the appearance statistics this season and last for some of our players you can see exactly why their form might have dipped. Rickie 83 games in 16 months (plus pre-season) Deano virtually the same,Lallana 70 odd,Morgan 70 ish plus 6 or 7 internationals, the lads are probably ****ged out most of the time,some handle it better than others but you can bet your old boots that any base injuries (you know those deep rooted niggles that you can tolerate) aren't getting any better.

 

Barnard has a hernia which is why he doesnt complete 90 minutes very often. Adkins is "managing" his injury which means he plays 60 mins or so at which point the hope is that he had made an impact and we have a comfortable lead. the problem is if we are behind or need a goal then I doubt we have the firepower on the bench to turn games around. we are definately more effective with barnard in the team.

[Chez]

with our f*ck load of money and aspirations, I can't understand why we were unable to get a striker in on loan or something.

 

maybe the money or the player (or both) is not there. Maybe NA thinks Lambert will play himself into form. I hope so as we'll start to win a lot of games.

[Window Cleaner]

Barnard has a hernia which is why he doesnt complete 90 minutes very often. Adkins is "managing" his injury which means he plays 60 mins or so at which point the hope is that he had made an impact and we have a comfortable lead. the problem is if we are behind or need a goal then I doubt we have the firepower on the bench to turn games around. we are definately more effective with barnard in the team.

 

Yes I know that but it would seem to me that Barney was subbed a lot last season as well, it's probably the same problem. I think that the medical staff are managing quite a lot of players at the moment,Adkins refers to it in most of his Saintsplayer interviews.I wouldn't doubt that they are managing a few cases of mental fatigue as well, Jose and Morgan being two obvious candidates.

You can never be certain because NA obviously doesn't speak of individual cases most of the time, he indicates it's happening though and you can pick your own candidates.

[SuperMikey]

Not sure if this has been posted already, and I cba to read back through the thread to check, but in his ITV post-match interview after the Cheltenham game, NA said that RL was taken off with a hip injury.

I'd not heard that it was a hip injury before, so that was interesting to see. Any more news on this?

[trousers]

"Hoax"?

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Beckford is one example, his form is irrelevant in how well Lambert would do.

 

Luke Varney, out of form in the championship and league 1, good in the top flight. Another example that has no impact on how well Lambert would do.

 

You can pick most the Blackpool squad for players who've struggled below the premiership and are now doing well there. Or Delap? Fuller? Higginbotham? It happens all the time. Davies? Struggled on loan to Millwall, going nowhere with us, then found form again with Bolton.

 

The step up is largely a mental problem. Beckford proved he can finish, yet in the top flight, with the same shaped ball, same sized goal, he panics. If you can maintain the same composure as you rise through the leagues, you'll do alright. Lambert could do a job IMO, especially if he got off to a good start.

 

I think you are making an assumption that the only mental attribute is composure. Speed of thought, anticipation and awareness, imagination and coordination are also relevant. Having good feet is worth Jack if you don't (or can't be bothered to) think quickly enough. That magic thing called confidence - some players manage to keep it, some are more mentally fragile and let things affect them more easily. Generally it's speed of thought that is the critical mental attribute when it comes to "stepping up a level" as a striker. RL is reacting late, not anticipating well enough or making decisions quickly enough at the moment.