Lambert bust up with Adkins (Hoax)

[revolution saint]

I didn't go yesterday but from what I've seen so far Ricky has been poor compared to last season. It's not just the goals either. There was a moment in the Brighton game where he turned and had space to run - last season he would have but instead he tried a pass that didn't come off. I have no idea whether it's confidence, injury or attitude but to pretend that he's performing to the same levels as last season, in my opinion, simply isn't true. Unfortunately we don't have many other options but if we did then I would have thought he would be close to being dropped.

 

Personally I wouldn't sell him but if the reason for the poor form is that he doesn't want to be here then I would get rid.

[Dark Munster]

Because obviously he'd just come out and say that wouldn't he? Goon. If you watch the interview he hesitates before he says hip.

 

Perhaps he was about to sarcastically say "lip injury" but changed his mind at the last moment.

[up and away]

One thing that suprised me yesterday was on two occassions Lambert had an opportunity to go for goal but headed across a crowded penalty area. Almost as if he had a bet on himself not to score.

 

It is either a confidence thing or he is not bothered. I am getting concerned it is the latter. Not at all suprised to see him come off at half time.

 

That does not add up for me. This has been going on for a long time now and if Adkins believed it was down to attitude, he would have done something about it. You only have to look at the way he celebrates with the rest of the team to see it means something to him and most go to Ricky when celebrating their goal, even if he is not involved. The most striking thing for me is his inability to jump. Now and again puts in something along the lines of what we have seen previously, but nowhere near the same overall.

 

Adkins has said a couple of things on saints player in the past regarding Ricky and has been fully supportive of him, something he would not do for someone swing the lead. He mentions his struggles to get fit at the beginning of the season, briefly mentioning groin and knees. Subsequently saying we don't all know what is going on behind the scene with injuries and something he would not elaborate on further for giving ammunition to the opposition. Bearing in mind he openly has mentioned Barnard's and Jaidi's problems several times, looking around the pitch only seems to leave Ricky as a possible.

[beatlesaint]

Let's not rewrite history whilst it's still the present, eh?

that is, he is still winning 99% of his headers

 

I have stuck up for Rickie virtually all season but as has been mentioned by a few posters already this staetment is blatantly not accurate.

I dont know what you have been watching but you are re-writing the present, never mind history.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Rickie....If your reading all the garbage on here...ignore it...as i `m sure you are

As soon as you score a few and you will, the "scapegoateers" will move on to

some other unfortunate chap....

 

They`ve`got to have someone to whine about you see...

[benjii]

Rickie....If your reading all the garbage on here...ignore it...as i `m sure you are

As soon as you score a few and you will, the "scapegoateers" will move on to

some other unfortunate chap....

 

They`ve`got to have someone to whine about you see...

 

Do you think his form has dipped massively from last season or not? We're not talking about a barren run for 3 or 4 games, we're talking about manifestly inferior performance levels over about 20 games. This isn't a witch hunt but it's the most important thing that's happening on the pitch for Saints this season.

[beatlesaint]

Rickie....If your reading all the garbage on here...ignore it...as i `m sure you are

As soon as you score a few and you will, the "scapegoateers" will move on to

some other unfortunate chap....

 

They`ve`got to have someone to whine about you see...

 

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[Give it to Ron]

I went yesterday and the one thing that stood out for me was he was far too deep again.

He spent a vast percentage in our half not up on the last man like he should of been meaning we only had Guly

who was getting beat too easily.

If I had been manager I would of had a word as well!

Lamberts link up play has been good but thats only half of the job and like someone else said he never went for goal when he should of yesterday.

[doddisalegend]

I went yesterday and the one thing that stood out for me was he was far too deep again.

He spent a vast percentage in our half not up on the last man like he should of been meaning we only had Gulywho was getting beat too easily.

If I had been manager I would of had a word as well!

Lamberts link up play has been good but thats only half of the job and like someone else said he never went for goal when he should of yesterday.

 

exactly to often he is not were a striker should be to score goals.

[St Marco]

I was there like many. And i have just one question really.

 

The bust up didn't happen on the pitch as we would of seen it. So it happened at half time in the changing room.

 

If there was a bust up and Adkins was that offended why did he send him back out to start the 2nd half only to sub him. And when he got subbed why was he not looking ****ed off as he came off? If he had a bust up he probably would of done the evil shake of the head aimed at him as he came off. I don't remember seeing anything like that.

 

Sounds like bull**** to me.

[Whitey Grandad]

He was subbed during half time?

[St Marco]

He was subbed during half time?

 

I am sure i saw him come out. Acording to the report he was subbed 1min into 2nd half.

 

EDIT: Scrap that he did come off at half time. Forget what i said then.

 

I guess we will find out soon enough if true or not.

Edited 28 November, 2010 by St Marco

[derry]

There is no way of finding out at the moment the answers to some vital questions. Firstly does he have some deep seated injury or injuries and is he being kept going with injections? Secondly if he doesn't have an injury is there something else medically that is causing problems? Thirdly has he got some attitude problem relating to an alleged enquiry from a higher division?

 

Going back to yesterday there were two occasions that he opted to play crosses when he could have scored, as he probably would have done last season, at the very least tried to score. This I think is the point Weston Saint is making.

 

What really stood out for me was his running which was a long way off flat out. Even though there were times he needed to go for it, he never got above three quarter pace. If there is no injury issue this is unacceptable. I personally felt that he should have been taken off because of this. In the event I was surprised he was replaced at half time as it used up the third sub. I thought then, either he was injured or Adkins had addressed the problem head on. I am not surprised by the rumour but hope that it isn't so. Either way Lambert should be left out until a) he recovers, or b) until he sorts himself out. The way he is playing is devaluing him as a player and it is not fair on the rest of the team to have a player that is so short of effort whatever the reason.

[RedWillie]

one other thing...don't forget Barnard could still be detained at Her Majesty's Pleasure yet....................Isn't he back on bail in a couple of weeks??although I can see it dragging on still

[sfc1971]

I have been to every home game this season bar 1, And Mr Lambert is not pulling his weight (pun ) He needs to be dropped to see if it bucks him up.

if not get rid.

 

Tellytubby.

[saintscottofthenortham]

I think, he just doesn't fit into our game at the minute. He had gone from having the ball hoofed to him at every opportunity, to watching the ball zip in and around him. He has been involved in alot of our movement, his first touch has been superb, his headers maybe down on last year bit he is being mauled by each and every centre back he comes up against. I think, get behind the bloke. He showed us last year why he is capable of. He is a notoriously slow starter, the difference now is that he has a mighty fickle fan base who "Oooh Ah" every time he plays a sidewards pass and doesn't go forward. His confidence is down, as would any striker who is going through a dry patch. He is trying to adapt his game, whilst being out of form. Cut the guy some slack FFS. You don't score the most goals in the country in a single season by being sh*t.

[kpturner]

Because obviously he'd just come out and say that wouldn't he? Goon. If you watch the interview he hesitates before he says hip.

 

Watch edit several times (because the highlights video doesn't work) and he doesn't mention "hip" anywhere. In fact, he does not go into any detail at all regarding Lambert and his alledged injury.

[Kingsland Red]

I think, he just doesn't fit into our game at the minute. He had gone from having the ball hoofed to him at every opportunity, to watching the ball zip in and around him. He has been involved in alot of our movement, his first touch has been superb, his headers maybe down on last year bit he is being mauled by each and every centre back he comes up against. I think, get behind the bloke. He showed us last year why he is capable of. He is a notoriously slow starter, the difference now is that he has a mighty fickle fan base who "Oooh Ah" every time he plays a sidewards pass and doesn't go forward. His confidence is down, as would any striker who is going through a dry patch. He is trying to adapt his game, whilst being out of form. Cut the guy some slack FFS. You don't score the most goals in the country in a single season by being sh*t.

 

.... and of course the opposition do their homework and ensure he is double marked, thus creating space for others / making others look good.

No wonder he drops deeper.

[dronskisaint]

Watch edit several times (because the highlights video doesn't work) and he doesn't mention "hip" anywhere. In fact, he does not go into any detail at all regarding Lambert and his alledged injury.

 

I saw the full interview on the ITV FA Cup highlights...go have a look. You have to watch Cheltenham's manager saying positive things about us for a couple of minutes but I assure you it's there.

[derry]

Adkin's interview post match, "Lambert came off injured"

[Saint_clark]

I can't say I agree with people who think he's not bothered, just watch the way he reacts when we score, whether it's him or someone else.

[hypochondriac]

I can't say I agree with people who think he's not bothered, just watch the way he reacts when we score, whether it's him or someone else.

 

Surely you can't honestly believe that he has won 99% of headers this year or looked really sharp? Surely not!

[georgeweahscousin]

People wanting rid of him, I say this. Be careful what you wish for.

 

You don't become a bad player between seasons. I think he is suffering from a lack of confidence fuelled by starting the season unfit and playing with niggly injuries.

 

He is a couple of confidence boosting strikes away from being prolific again.

 

Remember Beattie? He had loads of dips in confidence, and always came back scoring in the end.

[Turkish]

People wanting rid of him, I say this. Be careful what you wish for.

 

You don't become a bad player between seasons. I think he is suffering from a lack of confidence fuelled by starting the season unfit and playing with niggly injuries.

 

He is a couple of confidence boosting strikes away from being prolific again.

 

Remember Beattie? He had loads of dips in confidence, and always came back scoring in the end.

 

Spot on. Look at Fernando Torres, half the player he was when he joined Liverpool, missed two chances today he'd have tucked away a year ago. Doesn't mean he's suddenly become a bad player. I still dont think Lambert is fully fit, he doesn't look sharp and that coupled with a lack of confidence explains his below par performances. A couple of goals and all of a sudden he'll be a hero again.

[dune]

Spot on. Look at Fernando Torres, half the player he was when he joined Liverpool, missed two chances today he'd have tucked away a year ago. Doesn't mean he's suddenly become a bad player. I still dont think Lambert is fully fit, he doesn't look sharp and that coupled with a lack of confidence explains his below par performances. A couple of goals and all of a sudden he'll be a hero again.

 

Disagree. He reminds me of Kevin Davis when he played for us. We should sell him because he'll never come good again.

[Viking Warrior]

why do our fan base create false rumours.if your not a saints fan then just F uck off sorry guys if I sound offensive but lets just stop all this negativity

its painful hearing people constantly trying to find fault with the club or the players

[Big John]

there were rumours of player/manager discourse with players under Lawrie Mac, mark wright is a good example. never harmed the team and in some ways galvanised the squad as it was handled properly at the time.

 

if they had a squabble then so be it, good i say as it clears the air and reminds players and managers that we are all emotional creatures who sometimes need a fatherly tap on the shoulder and the benefit of worldly wisdom.

 

and nought imho wrong in us knowing about it, if of course it did happen in the first place.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

For everyone saying Lambert will be sold sold in Jan. I think you'e forgetting this is a business. If we get into the championship, his price will double. Sell him in the summer.

Teams looking relegation in the face in Jan may well pay over the odds for a proven goal scorer, and many clubs over the years have bought out of sorts (or fading) goalscorers based on their previous record hoping they will return to form. Jan can be a good time to get a good price.

[sammysaint]

Lambert will still be here in jan and next season, He's a class player for this league he will score 20 goals plus this season, as for next season I think if were in the championship he may be dropped to the bench and be a bit part player, it all depends on what NA has planned IMO play rickie with a quick quality striker with league one and championship experience and banard as our 3rd striker were be winning most weeks with ease.

[scotty]

Disagree. He reminds me of Kevin Davis when he played for us. We should sell him because he'll never come good again.

 

Right on, Kevin Davis never came good again did he. Or are you being sarcy again?

[Turkish]

just out of interest, who on here still thinks Lambert should be in the England squad?

[hypochondriac]

just out of interest, who on here still thinks Lambert should be in the England squad?

 

Or that he s better than Torres?

[doddisalegend]

Or that he s better than Torres?

 

Maybe Lambert is like Morgan too good for this league if he was playing PL he'd be better, it's not Lambert at fault it's the poor players around him.....................................

[dune]

Right on, Kevin Davis never came good again did he. Or are you being sarcy again?

 

Not really being sarky as only a dime bar would not instantly get the point I was making.

[Weston Saint]

This was the article, the subject of the op - http://www.fansonline.net/southampton/article.php?id=914

 

And here is a post on the Ugly from the writer of the above article

 

I should point out that I was just talking ****e and trying to stir things and have no idea if anything happened. But I do think it was very odd to take Lambert off, even if he had a slight knock, when we had made two subs and the keeper was struggling and twice needed treatment for the same injury

 

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_mb.php?m=v&t=12419&r=127212#127212

[Turkish]

This was the article, the subject of the op - http://www.fansonline.net/southampton/article.php?id=914

 

And here is a post on the Ugly from the writer of the above article

 

I should point out that I was just talking ****e and trying to stir things and have no idea if anything happened. But I do think it was very odd to take Lambert off, even if he had a slight knock, when we had made two subs and the keeper was struggling and twice needed treatment for the same injury

 

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_mb.php?m=v&t=12419&r=127212#127212

 

What a complete crumpet, why on earth would someone make something up like that?

[dubai_phil]

What a complete crumpet, why on earth would someone make something up like that?

 

Poster on football fans forum in "Making something up" Shocker

[Window Cleaner]

Who cares anyway, if he's cooked his goose with NA so much the better for us. He's not up to scratch this season anyway;Although he could have done the decent thing and fallen out with the manager before the loan window closed, not that anyone would lend us a decent striker anyway.

[SaintRichmond]

NA on the solent interview said lambert had picked up an injury. However, he did go into detail of Holmes's which he said looked quite bad. He also said Richardson picked up a slight groin strain. He did not go into any detail about Lambert, all he said he had picked up an injury......[/QUOTE]

 

Bruised ego it is then

[Window Cleaner]

NA on the solent interview said lambert had picked up an injury. However, he did go into detail of Holmes's which he said looked quite bad. He also said Richardson picked up a slight groin strain. He did not go into any detail about Lambert, all he said he had picked up an injury......[/QUOTE]

 

Bruised ego it is then

 

Although in his latest piece on the OS NA does say that they think RL's injury is a minor one but they'll have to see.

[SaintRichmond]

 

Although in his latest piece on the OS NA does say that they think RL's injury is a minor one but they'll have to see.

 

A small bruised ego then

[eurosaint]

If NA feels that RL is not pulling his weight, there have been many occasions when he could have left him out (Shrewsbury and Cheltenham for starters) ! Many feel that he has been overly supportive of him, so it's a bit surprising that it's suddenly turned full circle !

Anyway I would just leave it to the manager as it's always his head on the block if we do not achieve success !

[Window Cleaner]

If NA feels that RL is not pulling his weight, there have been many occasions when he could have left him out (Shrewsbury and Cheltenham for starters) ! Many feel that he has been overly supportive of him, so it's a bit surprising that it's suddenly turned full circle !

Anyway I would just leave it to the manager as it's always his head on the block if we do not achieve success !

 

he did leave him out against Shrewsbury

[sandwichsaint]

Maybe Lambert is like Morgan too good for this league if he was playing PL he'd be better, it's not Lambert at fault it's the poor players around him.....................................

 

It looks like Beckford is finding it soooo much easier with better players around him, is there any real 'evidence' that you can be 'too good' for Lge 1?

 

I guess the Prem Lge and the top half of the CCC(sic) is full of players that looked-ok-but-never-did-much in the third division; is it just that I haven't noticed them?

[Window Cleaner]

Why sell him? Maybe 2m in the summer, but now, an out of form out of shape 29 year old? 800k? No point. He may find form again, I'm sure he wants to. I'd just like to see him thinking less and shooting more like last season. Even if it's a poor effort, just to see him being more instinctive and positive. Everyone has a poor patch. MLT was at his worst when trying too hard. Lambert isn't in the sense of running solidly for 90 minutes, but maybe in trying to make things happen.

 

Another striker would take the pressure off though.

 

we wouldn't get 800k for an old war horse like Lambert,we wouldn't have got 2 million for him in the summer either.There are numerous young bucks in the UK and elsewhere who could do a better job in the higher leagues than an ageing D3 hotshot,

[doddisalegend]

It looks like Beckford is finding it soooo much easier with better players around him, is there any real 'evidence' that you can be 'too good' for Lge 1?

 

I guess the Prem Lge and the top half of the CCC(sic) is full of players that looked-ok-but-never-did-much in the third division; is it just that I haven't noticed them?

 

I was being sarcastic (should of put a smilie). Apparently I was told on another thread that some (one in partuicular) of our players can't play league one but would be great in the prem I just wondered if Lambert has now joined this elite group.

[Turkish]

we wouldn't get 800k for an old war horse like Lambert,we wouldn't have got 2 million for him in the summer either.There are numerous young bucks in the UK and elsewhere who could do a better job in the higher leagues than an ageing D3 hotshot,

 

Jordan Rhodes for example.

[Jez]

Beckford is one example, his form is irrelevant in how well Lambert would do.

 

 

I lol everytime I see Beckford play with Everton - he is turning into their new James Beattie i.e gonna be a flop for them.

[farawaysaint]

Crap, my rose tinted specs will be shattered if Lambert goes

[Super_Uwe]

We paid 1m then he scored a ****load of goals. We'd have got 2m.

 

Couldn't agree more. He's hardly an "old war horse", he's 28! OK, his best years probably aren't all that far ahead of him now, but at the end of the day he's not some has-been either.

 

Technically he would have no problem in my opinion playing in the Premier League, however his mobility might let him down - but if he could find some sort of role a la Sheringham then I have no doubt he'd do well.

 

I personally believe that he's struggling with injuries, and coupled with his physique as well, I doubt he's the quickest healer either (just my opinion again, could be wrong). But it's difficult for us to leave him out even if he's not fully fit as he's a real force to be reckoned with at this level.

 

Maybe a couple of weeks off might do the trick both physically and mentally, something needs to be done to get him back to his best ready for the end of season run-in.