Loan deadline Thursday...

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Or taking anyone on loan.

 

Personal opinion or ITK?

[Windmill Arm 2]

Oh sorry, personal opinion. I know jack sheeite, but I can't see it somehow.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Fair play. I know sheeite too and am hoping you're wrong!!

[eelpie]

Yeah Kelv is worrying TBH.

 

Don't get me wrong, he seems a top bloke and a great shot stopper, but it is Paul Jones all over again.

 

What i mean by that is that i am pretty confident he will save most snap shots etc, however he is not very vocal and so doesn't organise very well, he often flaps at high balls and crosses and his play on the ground is poor. For a team like us that seem like they are concentrating on playing football you need a player with decent distribution.

 

The defence in front of him don't seem to trust him IMO and i don't think Adkins does either.

 

Its just a hunch, if not January i reckon it definately will be next year.

 

We have the second best defence in the league and you are worried about Kelvin.

[Castro 1]

Just on twitter - officialsaints: @WillFoxGolf Window closes at 5pm, as for signing anyone, you will have to wait for Adkins' pre-match interview on the OS! #saintsfc

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Just on twitter - officialsaints: @WillFoxGolf Window closes at 5pm, as for signing anyone, you will have to wait for Adkins' pre-match interview on the OS! #saintsfc

 

Probably a no then!

 

At least while we're not signing anyone, our rivals are losing players. Bournemouth have lost McQuoid, Plymouth have lost Fallon and Sheffield Weds could be about to lose Tudgay.

[georgeweahscousin]

but just tweeted this:-

 

just got back from training ground so should be up in next couple of hours. Nothing ruled out but happy with squad #saintsfc

[Window Cleaner]

Cherries have just loaned/sold thier main goalscorer McCoid to Millwall 550k. Makes them weaker.

 

seems a remarkably small sum,still they're desperate for cash I guess. millwall probably given them most of it as some sort of loan fee.

Still think we need an effective striker.

Edited 25 November, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[SuperSAINT]

Millwall still interested in Charlie Austin, despite signing McQuoid?

 

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/sport/8688876.Lions_still_interested_in_Austin_despite_McQuoid_signing/

[Appy]

Probably a no then!

 

At least while we're not signing anyone, our rivals are losing players. Bournemouth have lost McQuoid, Plymouth have lost Fallon and Sheffield Weds could be about to lose Tudgay.

 

Plymouth are not our rival.

[Saints foreva]

Probably a no then!

 

At least while we're not signing anyone, our rivals are losing players. Bournemouth have lost McQuoid, Plymouth have lost Fallon and Sheffield Weds could be about to lose Tudgay.

 

Good news for Plymouth, he's ****e.

[Give it to Ron]

seems a remarkably small sum,still they're desperate for cash I guess. millwall probably given them most of it as some sort of loan fee.

Still think we need an effective striker.

 

Not when you are pulling in gates of 6k when you are 3rd in a division.

[beavis17]

Brentford sign Rowan Vine...

[SuperSAINT]

Mills Extends loan at Doncaster...

 

http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10329~2229864,00.html

[Window Cleaner]

Mills Extends loan at Doncaster...

 

http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10329~2229864,00.html

 

Obviously not good enough for us though. Couldn't really understand that.We had Harding, we had Mills so what the flip did we want Dickson for;All 3 are much of a muchness.

[Window Cleaner]

He's just about **** and skatey enough to score against us.

 

doesn't score all that often really,not say compared to Lambert...oh wait.

[Saint_clark]

doesn't score all that often really,not say compared to Lambert...oh wait.

 

Lambert scored over 60 goals in the last two seasons. How many did Vine score?

[Window Cleaner]

Lambert scored over 60 goals in the last two seasons. How many did Vine score?

 

just what I said, he doesn't score many goals compared to say Lambert, but strikers have good periods and bad periods,hence the oh wait..

[beavis17]

Well I see your point but it's not really a fair comparison seeing as Vine is playing in a higher division, but not regularly and every game like Rickie

[Window Cleaner]

Well I see your point but it's not really a fair comparison seeing as Vine is playing in a higher division, but not regularly and every game like Rickie

 

but he's never scored goals at the same cadence as Rickie, never ever.

[Weston Saint]

It is al about bringing in better players than we have at present. No point loaning someone who is not going to follow up with a signed contract. That is the difficulty Saints face. Never thought we would get anyone in the loan window. Now January, that is a different matter.

[CB Fry]

but he's never scored goals at the same cadence as Rickie, never ever.

 

 

I don't think anyone has ever scored goals at any "cadence". I'd recommend choosing another word.

 

As we're clearly not signing anyone, and it is FA Cup R2 weekend, there's plenty of time for some etymological debate.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Just on twitter - officialsaints: @WillFoxGolf Window closes at 5pm, as for signing anyone, you will have to wait for Adkins' pre-match interview on the OS! #saintsfc

 

So, does this imply there might be a last minute deal or is NA going to 'reveal' his reasons why he's letting Joseph Mills stay at Donny for a little longer...?!

[saint_stevo]

Good old St Will

[Thedelldays]

Good old St Will

 

the lunatic

[Window Cleaner]

I don't think anyone has ever scored goals at any "cadence". I'd recommend choosing another word.

 

As we're clearly not signing anyone, and it is FA Cup R2 weekend, there's plenty of time for some etymological debate.

 

There certainly is, now in the French language cadence is a word that means rhythm or allure.It is used for anything that has a basic rhythm to it, like the speed of a production line " la cadence infernale de la chaine de production chez Renault". Cadence is a word adopted into middle english from Old French,from the Latin root cadere, which means roughly "falling" as in the falling of footsteps.But as in many cases the English have only adopted an approximate meaning of the word, just the musical term I guess.

So to me you can have a cadence of anything which occurs at intervals, like prolific goalscoring.

[Panda]

There certainly is, now in the French language cadence is a word that means rhythm or allure.It is used for anything that has a basic rhythm to it, like the speed of a production line " la cadence infernale de la chaine de production chez Renault". Cadence is a word adopted into middle english from Old French,from the Latin root cadere, which means roughly "falling" as in the falling of footsteps.But as in many cases the English have only adopted an approximate meaning of the word, just the musical term I guess.

So to me you can have a cadence of anything which occurs at intervals, like prolific goalscoring.

 

Thanks, I didn't know that. I am certainly familiar with the musical term cadence which,in sonata form, is the phrase of music leading to the close of a section of a movement. I had no idea it had wider connotations but I am not sure your application to Rickie goal scoring record is quite appropriate. Whilst he scores (scored?) goals often does he the frequency at which he does form a rhythm? Its a good word anyway and I would not want to unduly criticise its use in this context.

 

No further news on loans then?

[Window Cleaner]

Thanks, I didn't know that. I am certainly familiar with the musical term cadence which,in sonata form, is the phrase of music leading to the close of a section of a movement. I had no idea it had wider connotations but I am not sure your application to Rickie goal scoring record is quite appropriate. Whilst he scores (scored?) goals often does he the frequency at which he does form a rhythm? Its a good word anyway and I would not want to unduly criticise its use in this context.

 

No further news on loans then?

 

But if you say 25 goals from 50 games, that gives a mean goals/game rate and it becomes a cadence,1 goal from every 2 games;

Now compare that to 1 burger every 30 seconds, the cadence of a MacDonald's putter upper, he doesn't make exactly 1 burger every 30 seconds, sometimes it's 2 in 25 seconds and then another in the next 40 or whatever, it's still a cadence in the French (and true because the English comes from it in Norman times) usage of the word.

 

No loans no, don't expect any, loan cadence per day today= zero.

[St.Thomas7]

Jumped on here thinking something had happened as OS appears to be down... apparently not...

[paris]

No new bodies in the building at this football club simple as that.. .....

[The9]

I at least knew what he was getting at with "cadence", though that would make "regular cadence" a tautology.

 

Either way we appear to have signed no-one.

[verlaine1979]

I quite liked the usage. While not standard, the meaning was fairly obvious by implication, and had the highly desirable effect of remaking a sentiment generally expressed solely in clichés into something slightly more thought-provoking. Not every day you get to see a bit of ostranenie on a football forum.

 

Thanks, I didn't know that. I am certainly familiar with the musical term cadence which,in sonata form, is the phrase of music leading to the close of a section of a movement. I had no idea it had wider connotations but I am not sure your application to Rickie goal scoring record is quite appropriate. Whilst he scores (scored?) goals often does he the frequency at which he does form a rhythm? Its a good word anyway and I would not want to unduly criticise its use in this context.

 

No further news on loans then?

[Window Cleaner]

I quite liked the usage. While not standard, the meaning was fairly obvious by implication, and had the highly desirable effect of remaking a sentiment generally expressed solely in clichés into something slightly more thought-provoking. Not every day you get to see a bit of ostranenie on a football forum.

 

But then I'm a bit of a free-thinker as was Verlaine.Pity most people only know his work for the old 'sanglots des violins de l'automne" jibe. Strange choice of lyric by the wartime high command, perhaps he was a favourite of de Gaulles's.

[dronskisaint]

And tell him not to skirt around the subject, news and the truth dont always go hand in glove...

 

Sometimes he has the press in his pocket & there may be a silver lining?

[up and away]

I at least knew what he was getting at with "cadence", though that would make "regular cadence" a tautology.

 

Either way we appear to have signed no-one.

 

I believe we are after someone, whether or not we get what we want is another matter. That is too long a stretch to January with injuries still present.

[CB Fry]

But then I'm a bit of a free-thinker as was Verlaine.Pity most people only know his work for the old 'sanglots des violins de l'automne" jibe. Strange choice of lyric by the wartime high command, perhaps he was a favourite of de Gaulles's.

 

I agree, Marquee Moon is a cracking album.

 

 

 

We'll agree to disagree on cadence - just don't see that anyone scores goals "at a cadence". Even if a player happened to score precisely a goal every other game for an entire season, it's still not really a rhythm or cadence in your terms.

 

The way a striker runs could have a cadence, fine, and the way a manager finishes every phrase with "it's a simple as that" is kind of cadence, I suppose.

Edited 25 November, 2010 by CB Fry

[Window Cleaner]

I at least knew what he was getting at with "cadence", though that would make "regular cadence" a tautology.

 

Either way we appear to have signed no-one.

 

Now you can have an irregular cadence in harmony, I'm sure that there is some great work that is known for it.Then again I'm not a musicologist.

[Window Cleaner]

I agree, Marquee Moon is a cracking album.

 

 

 

We'll agree to disagree on cadence - just don't see that anyone scores goals "at a cadence". Even if a player happened to score precisely a goal every other game for an entire season, it's still not really a rhythm or cadence in your terms.

 

The way a striker runs could have a cadence, fine, and the way a manager finishes every phrase with "it's a simple as that" is kind of cadence, I suppose.

 

not really the same Verlaine, but then I suspect you knew that. Paul-Marie rather than Tom,

[Village Saint]

Yes were are struggling to keep up with the top teams at the moment which is surprising with all the money spent we are not even in the play offs and it is the end of November

 

 

We are not doing badly but unfortunatelely not doing as well as most fans expected at the start of the season

 

 

Over the last 12 games our record is 8-2-2. It is the best in the entire league. For god's sake get a sense of proportion. If over the next 24 games our record is 16-4-4 we will be leading the table with 5 games to go. Basically it is difficult to see how CURRENTLY we could be doing any better! There simply is nothing to moan about

[eurosaint]

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/frattonlatest/No-new-faces-at-Pompey.6640028.jp

 

Some good news at least !

[CB Fry]

But if you say 25 goals from 50 games, that gives a mean goals/game rate and it becomes a cadence,1 goal from every 2 games;

Now compare that to 1 burger every 30 seconds, the cadence of a MacDonald's putter upper, he doesn't make exactly 1 burger every 30 seconds, sometimes it's 2 in 25 seconds and then another in the next 40 or whatever, it's still a cadence in the French (and true because the English comes from it in Norman times) usage of the word.

 

 

The English language is not some direct adaptation of French though is it, so the assumption that the meaning of any French word is applicable in English is a pretty rum starting point for your theory.

 

The way your burger flipper makes his burgers may have a cadence, ie the rythmn of how he handles his ingredients and puts them together, but not the fact that he can make 12 in ten minutes.

 

Scoring 12 goals in 25 games on 25 seperate days in a four month period is not a cadence. If he scores precisely one every three games then retrospectively it is a pattern, but it isn't a cadence, especially as said striker did not set out to score one in three at the outset.

 

 

Now you can have an irregular cadence in harmony, I'm sure that there is some great work that is known for it.Then again I'm not a musicologist.

 

Yes, but then an "irregular cadence" of goal scoring is then so random it is no pattern at all and therefore definitely not a cadence either.

Edited 25 November, 2010 by CB Fry

[GenevaSaint]

The English language is not some direct adaptation of French though is it, so the assumption that the meaning of any French word is applicable in English is a pretty rum starting point for your theory.

 

Germanic predominantly

[SuperSAINT]

Crikey, Forest got Aaron Ramsey on loan - Hell of a signing.

[Window Cleaner]

Crikey, Forest got Aaron Ramsey on loan - Hell of a signing.

 

yep, Billy Davies's comments on the deal are slightly amusing.

[Mr Saints]

Over the last 12 games our record is 8-2-2. It is the best in the entire league. For god's sake get a sense of proportion. If over the next 24 games our record is 16-4-4 we will be leading the table with 5 games to go. Basically it is difficult to see how CURRENTLY we could be doing any better! There simply is nothing to moan about

 

Well said sir. But lets not let facts get in the way of a chance to moan.

[Window Cleaner]

Well said sir. But lets not let facts get in the way of a chance to moan.

 

Wrong facts sorry. Last 12 league games W7 D2 L3, but you can't hold MK Dons against NA really.

[derry]

Wrong facts sorry. Last 12 league games W7 D2 L3, but you can't hold MK Dons against NA really.

 

7-3-3 in league draws colchester, yeovil, brighton. 13 games + FAC1. So last 12 games - 24 points 2 defeats.

[Smirking_Saint]

That's how I feel. It does come across as arrogant, but in truth, I don't expect to win the league easily because we're Southampton and we deserve to be in a higher league...we're in division 3 because we were **** enough to fall that far. I expect us to win the league easily merely because of the sums we've spent. We effectively formed a League 1 allstars team FFS. Dickson and Richardson were 2 of the best full backs in the league, Fonte a good player from the league above, we signed the 2 top strikers, and had a fair few good players of our own besides. So I couldn't praise Pardew for failing to ever break into the playoffs, as 10 points off should have cost us automatic promotion, not the playoffs.

 

I don't blame Adkins, he's done fine and it obviously takes time. But it can't take forever and we can't put up with people off form when they're being paid so highly for this league. You don't need money to do well in L1, just look around at other teams. Just some good management and a consistent team pulling together. So the resources we have put us at a huge, huge advantage.

 

I can only think besides all the disruption, the problem is expectation, but that's something that comes with big money.

 

This

 

We're struggling, are we? Pardon me for having the impression that we were beginning to pick up after a slow start by Pardew and the dismal performance for those matches when he left. Why should you excuse the so-called top sides for not running away with it and not acknowledge that we are one of them? So they're allowed to slip up occasionally, but we aren't, is that it?

 

There is reading what i wrote and reading what you want to read,

 

You have unfortunately fallen into the latter category.

 

I am not all over slagging off our season, i understand that we have had a lot of disruption etc and we are where we are. Adkins is giving it a barnstorming effort aswell. I am only saying as Adrian has put it that compared to other teams with the money we have spent and the team we should have on the pitch i thoroughly expect us to be performing a hell of a lot better even if we had ronald McDonald in charge FFS.

 

IMO Pardew should have achieved the playoffs last season with the team we had and i said that from the start of the season, let alone when we got so close but f*cked it up towards the end.

 

This season having spent and improved even more than last year (i don't care how much people over-rate Antonio the team this year is far stronger if everyone was on form) we should be the front runners. And yes, we are keeping up with the top teams but it is more that they have all gone through large purple patches, as have we, but all i am saying is that if they sprinted ahead as they did last year we would be miles off by now. And thats not good enough.

[southbourne saint]

Bit fed up we didn't get anyone in today. But the Bournemouth Echo makes hilarious reading their lovely chairman stating how Josh McCoid is not leaving and how they are buiding a squad. At least we haven,t got rid of 2 strickers for very little money. One less team in the promotion race and a lot of egg on a smug gits face.

[Amesbury Saint]

surprised we did not sign anyone.