Anyone else think Guly is Crap?

[Lighthouse]

This isn't just some knee jerk reaction to anything I saw tonight, but in most of the games I've seen from Guly he has been pretty poor. Yeovil being the exception. Whenever he has come off the bench in recent games, he hasn't had any real impact at all, he just spoons chances (1-on-1s tonight and Posh) and gives the ball away. Bradley Wright Prado.

 

Personally I'm hoping Adkins has noticed this and sends him back to Cessena in January. We can do better (Le Fondre pleeeeease Santa!)

[hypochondriac]

Yep. Had about 2 decent games from what I can see. He came with such excitement and its really been disappointing IMO.

[Benj]

I'm so glad someone else has noticed this! Thought I was the only one.

 

He is utterly utterly woeful. Awful first touch, can't hold the ball up. Consistently loses possession by being tackled or simply passing straight to the opposition.

 

Hope he doesn't get another game between now and his loan expiring!

[shurlock]

Has tended to be thrown on as a front-man with little time to settle - he's neither a striker nor a left winger (where Wilko played him). Should be played in the hole with lots of runners around him; barnard who shows good movement would be a decent foil as would Chaplow- but unfortunately, Guly gets stuck with the all too static Lambert.

[corky morris]

I dont think he is crap, but i would not sign him.

[Graffito]

This isn't just some knee jerk reaction to anything I saw tonight, but in most of the games I've seen from Guly he has been pretty poor. Yeovil being the exception. Whenever he has come off the bench in recent games, he hasn't had any real impact at all, he just spoons chances (1-on-1s tonight and Posh) and gives the ball away. Bradley Wright Prado.

 

Personally I'm hoping Adkins has noticed this and sends him back to Cessena in January. We can do better (Le Fondre pleeeeease Santa!)

 

He scored against Peterborough. I'd call that having an impact.

[georgeweahscousin]

He is being played out of position and not getting a lot of time on the pitch, so I think he needs more of a chance.

 

Having said that, I was always sceptical about a Brazilian in League One.

[Fozzybear]

He was woeful last night - no touch at all, the ball just seemed to bounce off him.

 

I would stick Connolly on over him everytime.

[Dr Who?]

Would not say he is crap... he is a little better than most of us on here!!

 

I think he is a confidence player. Just seems to get in a muddle sometimes. No need to be offside when he was going to be through on goal. He could see across the line.

[hypochondriac]

Would not say he is crap... he is a little better than most of us on here!!

 

I think he is a confidence player. Just seems to get in a muddle sometimes. No need to be offside when he was going to be through on goal. He could see across the line.

 

Well obviously but then we aren't professional footballers getting paid are we.

[SaintRichmond]

This isn't just some knee jerk reaction to anything I saw tonight, but in most of the games I've seen from Guly he has been pretty poor. Yeovil being the exception. Whenever he has come off the bench in recent games, he hasn't had any real impact at all, he just spoons chances (1-on-1s tonight and Posh) and gives the ball away. Bradley Wright Prado.

 

Personally I'm hoping Adkins has noticed this and sends him back to Cessena in January. We can do better (Le Fondre pleeeeease Santa!)

 

Careful, you will upset Nicola

[channonball]

Even Pulis is better than most on here!

[SaintRichmond]

Even Pulis is better than most on here!

 

 

Sorry, I would have to disagree with that

 

Even Stevie Wonder is better than Pulis

[Liquidshokk]

Every time I see him play I just cant help but think his playing style just doesnt match league 1... theres never any sense of urgency and he's too laid back on the ball.... Bit like someone eles in the squad this season...

 

I wouldnt say either are crap though. Just both not quite in the zone most games this season...

[Saint_clark]

Every time I see him play I just cant help but think his playing style just doesnt match league 1... theres never any sense of urgency and he's too laid back on the ball.... Bit like someone eles in the squad this season...

 

I wouldnt say either are crap though. Just both not quite in the zone most games this season...

 

Well I can't agree with that, at one point last night he ran about 50 yards closing down the ball.

He's got some ability, but I think his best position would be in CM and he would need to be taught to track back and tackle. In other words, too expensive and too much work needed. Let him go and sign someone else.

[Redbul]

Tbf, last night's game really wasn't a match for Guly, I'd have kept him on the bench and thrown on Connelly; arguably our best striker albeit a bit prone to visiting the treatment room.

[niceandfriendly]

No, he's not crap. He's really quite good, as he proved when he started against Tranmere. All our play came through him. His link up play is a class above, and he times runs brilliantly. Not to mention he chases all sorts of lost causes to good effect.

 

He's basically just a better version of Papa Waigo. But yes, we need a new scapegoat now Puncheon has gone so this thread makes sense.

[kpturner]

Not crap, not woeful.

 

HTH

[positivepete]

For those of you who think Guly has a poor first touch, what is your opinion of the quality of Lambert's first touch?

[SuperMikey]

I don't think lower-league English football suits his style of play. He'd do a good job in La Liga, Serie A etc because the pace is a low slower and is more based on technique rather than physicality.

We do need a replacement in January though.

[Lighthouse]

No, he's not crap. He's really quite good, as he proved when he started against Tranmere. All our play came through him. His link up play is a class above, and he times runs brilliantly. Not to mention he chases all sorts of lost causes to good effect.

 

He's basically just a better version of Papa Waigo. But yes, we need a new scapegoat now Puncheon has gone so this thread makes sense.

 

FWIW I think Waigo was a lot better. Seemed to create quite a few chances, when he was onside, and chipped in with a fair few goals. Also I rated Puncheon and certainly wasn't one of his bashers. Clearly however he has not been a happy bunny this season.

[Chez]

This isn't just some knee jerk reaction to anything I saw tonight, but in most of the games I've seen from Guly he has been pretty poor. Yeovil being the exception. Whenever he has come off the bench in recent games, he hasn't had any real impact at all, he just spoons chances (1-on-1s tonight and Posh) and gives the ball away. Bradley Wright Prado.

 

Personally I'm hoping Adkins has noticed this and sends him back to Cessena in January. We can do better (Le Fondre pleeeeease Santa!)

 

did you see the Tranmere game? In that game he was unbelievably good. One of the best displays from a player I haev seen for a long long time. Anyone that did see that game will have a totally different opinion of him to those that didn't. That said he has struggled a little in the other games, but its not always easy coming on as a sub, especially in a high intensity game like last night.

[Macey_J2]

Im not a fan, he played well against Tranmere, but hasnt made a significant impact in enough games overal.

[up and away]

No, he's not crap. He's really quite good, as he proved when he started against Tranmere. All our play came through him. His link up play is a class above, and he times runs brilliantly. Not to mention he chases all sorts of lost causes to good effect.

 

He's basically just a better version of Papa Waigo. But yes, we need a new scapegoat now Puncheon has gone so this thread makes sense.

 

Those who say he is not suited to League 1 football have no understanding of what he does or Brazilian league football. The cold and torrential rain may be a different matter, but the guy is as hard as nails, chases more lost causes than Polyanna in a brothel and can find the net. I understand the negative comments and some of his play deserves that, but this guy looks our only chance for getting out of the problems we have, but he needs a run to prove that.

 

I would be playing Ricky for the majority of games until he recovers, but a lot I would not even consider him and prefer to use Guly instead. Guly can break down defences and I would like to see what he can do given a run. Now if we get in someone else who can cover for Ricky, then fair enough and the need may not be there to use Guly in such a manner. If you are going to use 451 on occasions away from home (which I feel there is a definite need), there is absolutely no point in using Ricky, you may as well buy him a ticket in the stand and bring him down for any penalty. This is not a matter of confidence with Ricky, his knees are shot at the moment.

 

Yes Guly has been disappointing on occasions, but he has shown more than enough glimpses of his potential and he is ideally suited to this league. Going in where it hurts, a never say die attitude and the common sense to steer clear of the handbags.

[scotty]

Tbf, last night's game really wasn't a match for Guly, I'd have kept him on the bench and thrown on Connelly; arguably our best striker albeit a bit prone to visiting the treatment room.

 

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[West End Saint]

Jury is still out for me he has had a lot more poor games than good but the good v Tranmere was very good he shows some good touches and could well be a decent player but when he is bad he is awful.

 

Should have had a hatrick Saturday it didnt matter in the end but you have got to take your chances he didnt look good last nite

[hasper57saint]

He scored against Peterborough. I'd call that having an impact.

 

Oh! Yes. But he also missed an open goal too. He has failed to impress so many times this season I doubt his competence as a Div 1 Player.I personally think he should be sent back to Italy at the first possible moment. His positional play is that of a ten years old on sunday mornings on the Common.

[Barry the Badger]

Oh! Yes. But he also missed an open goal too. He has failed to impress so many times this season I doubt his competence as a Div 1 Player.I personally think he should be sent back to Italy at the first possible moment. His positional play is that of a ten years old on sunday mornings on the Common.

 

He didn't miss an open goal, you are exaggerating.

[CWD]

Very odd player. I don't think he's crap, I just don't think anyone knows where to play him. Including himself!

[Window Cleaner]

No I don't think he's crap, I'm not sure that NA knows what he's doing with him though. Does he feel he has to give him a bit of a run out every now and again.I'd have thought that last night's stalemate at 75 minutes called for something a bit different,a real striker.

Trouble with Guly is that he usually comes on to replace Barnard, an attacking midfielder for an out and out striker.Barnard doesn't last the distance at the moment so we replace him with a different kind of player,instead of a like for like with a fresh pair of legs.Now Connolly would seem to fit that description but he's errr not even on the team sheet again now. True LB said there was an issue Connolly but I guess we all presumed that had gone away with his heroics in the Cup game.

Edited 24 November, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[sperm_john]

I quite like him, could of scored a couple against pboro at the weekend, their keeper made a great save and im pretty sure he nearly slotted it past the keeper on a break and it glanced the post? either way he was good in the tranmere performance and I remember him having a good game against bournemouth at home when we won by pen's ...I dont think we should be calling for his head just yet ..

[Window Cleaner]

I quite like him, could of scored a couple against pboro at the weekend, their keeper made a great save and im pretty sure he nearly slotted it past the keeper on a break and it glanced the post? either way he was good in the tranmere performance and I remember him having a good game against bournemouth at home when we won by pen's ...I dont think we should be calling for his head just yet ..

 

he's only certainly here for another 6 weeks or so anyway.

[gammon cheeks]

He is should say not very good. In my opinion we need 3 players in january, plus we must sign chaplow as he is a class act. A quick powerful striker a wide man and another central midfielder is what nigel will be after.

[Charlie Wayman]

He is one effing useless apology for a second rate journeyman in my opinion, my heart sank when he came on last night and Barnard went off, then you just knew the game was up. here's a conundrum for Adders "How do you drop a gooley when you don't drop Guly?"

[hasper57saint]

He didn't miss an open goal, you are exaggerating.

 

Well from where I was sitting he SHOULD have beat the Posh keeper EASILY. That to me is an open goal. I am not impressed with him at all as you can see from my posts.

[The Kraken]

He's clearly a talented player, but playing up front is really not his position. He looks much better when he is running on to the ball rather than holding it up. The problem is that his type of position needs a team built around it, he just can't be shoe horned into a position that is not naturally his. And playing up front with an immobile Lambert is doing him no favours whatsoever.

 

I fear we will never see the best out of him as the current line up cannot accommodate his particular position. It was the same under Pardew; which makes it a very strange signing in the first place.

[Thedelldays]

the brighton tattors last night were saying guly has an embarrassing first touch

[thesaint sfc]

He's good on fifa.

[simo]

This is not a matter of confidence with Ricky, his knees are shot at the moment.

 

Can i enquire how you know this and if its true why is he still playing ?

[derry]

He is one effing useless apology for a second rate journeyman in my opinion, my heart sank when he came on last night and Barnard went off, then you just knew the game was up. here's a conundrum for Adders "How do you drop a gooley when you don't drop Guly?"

 

As you said recently when forecasting the results of forthcoming games. 'Then what do I know'.

[Scudamore]

He's clearly a talented player, but playing up front is really not his position. He looks much better when he is running on to the ball rather than holding it up. The problem is that his type of position needs a team built around it, he just can't be shoe horned into a position that is not naturally his. And playing up front with an immobile Lambert is doing him no favours whatsoever.

 

I fear we will never see the best out of him as the current line up cannot accommodate his particular position. It was the same under Pardew; which makes it a very strange signing in the first place.

 

Which would be exactly what some would have said about Lallana a couple of years ago I'd say...

[dune]

I don't think he's crap, I know he's crap.

 

Charlie Austin from Swindon please.

[hackedoff]

My bird has be nagging for ages about getting a Brazilian,now after getting Guly she says he,s crap. I wish women would make their minds up.

[sfc4prem]

He's not a striker, not a natural finisher with little composure. He is a CAM. A "No. 10". Tip of the diamond. But can't play on the wings. Until he is played in his natural position, I cannot properly judge him.

 

And until he is slotted in his proper position in a formation that would accomadate him, it will remain an odd signing.

[revolution saint]

It's a squad game it's as simple as that but you have to win games of football at the same time. Now Guly do Prado is a great professional and he's shown that in training so that's good. He's willing to learn and be part of a squad. He's come over from Serie A where the style of football is different, to a different culture but listen he's starting to adapt now and give Nigel Adkins selection problems so that's good. He's loving being part of Southampton football club but who wouldn't? It's a great club. Ultimately though we want to win the division and if Guly can help us win games then great, it is after all about winning games of football - it's as simple as that.

[SNSUN]

He's far from crap but I wouldn't sign him, there are better options out there. He's not a striker and is just filling in. He'll be in central midfielder on Saturday I reckon if Chaplow isn't fit.

[Alain Perrin]

Well from where I was sitting he SHOULD have beat the Posh keeper EASILY. That to me is an open goal. I am not impressed with him at all as you can see from my posts.

 

LOL at the most stupid statement ever.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by up and away

This is not a matter of confidence with Ricky, his knees are shot at the moment.

Can i enquire how you know this and if its true why is he still playing ?

 

He's still playing because he has something to offer the team, which I can easily accept for most occasions.

 

Why I believe his knees are shot at the moment are the comments from Adkins, fans observations and the comparison with Fuller. A friend runs corporate hospitality at Saints for his company and one of the main comments he has picked up on from guests who go infrequently, is that Ricky is much slower than last season, something echoed by Saints fans on here who have gone to St Mary's for the first time this season. It's something I have never really picked up upon for what ever reason.

 

Adkins mentioned on Saints player the problem Ricky had at the beginning of the season with getting back to full fitness and his knees got a mention then. In another interview he went on about players being restricted in training and some carrying "problems" that he was not going to tell the opposition about. Now we all know about Barnard and he regularly comments on his hernia for the reason he comes off early, similarly he has rested Jaidi. So looking around at what is remaining, the likelihood that Ricky falls into that description looks pretty high.

 

Since the beginning of the season it has been obvious that Ricky is not the same player as last season and I have been puzzled as to why. One of the most noticeable things previously has been his inability to jump, which triggered something in the back of my mind. This looks a carbon copy of Fuller when he came to Saints and that took until long after he left us to get over, which was all down to his knees. Resulting in an inability to jump and slow off the mark, but still playing regularly. I keep thinking I see small improvements in Ricky, which come and then seem to disappear again. I don't know how long it will be for Ricky to be the striker he was last season, but Adkins seems bullish. I've seen Ricky play several times with plenty of confidence, just in front of goal he never had the pace to free himself or the spring in the header. Just one goal from open play after all the games he has played, just looks impossible from last season.

[Jez]

Well from where I was sitting he SHOULD have beat the Posh keeper EASILY. That to me is an open goal. I am not impressed with him at all as you can see from my posts.

 

So if someone was shooting at a goal where the keeper was not present, what would you call that? A really open goal?

[Clifford Nelson]

I just wish that people had the good sense to look up a players cv, just to see what he's done over the years. We are in Div3, remember, and Guly, as Waigo before him, is bottom of Serie A/top of Serie B type of quality. That doesn't make either of them "crap", but it doesn't make them faultless superstars either. Both have qualities that can't be found in our division or our team, but it requires them to be able to use those skills, and their fellow players to understand what kind of skills they have, and how to take advantage of them. The last 15/20 minutes at the end of games is not a way to get the best out of them. It is the kind of experience that Adkins hasn't had yet, so I'm not going to blame him.

 

The idea that you can be too good to play at a low level is nonsense. A good player will always be a good player, but only if you are using what he is good at. Our dear club has got a history of buying players good at something, only to ask them to do something else.

 

I defy anybody who saw the Tranmere game to claim that Guly isn't a good player. There hasn't been a performance like it at SMS for years. And for anybody who says differently I show you a fool.