Ricky's miserable - but why?

[La BoIS Saint]

Story I heard is that his wife had a difficult first pregnancy and is currently carrying second child. No idea if this is true.

[LostBoys]

Middlesborough! if true which I seriously doubt he should be grateful he is still here

[Badger]

I know a guy who uses a pub in Baddesley every night of the week,and he told me that he has not seen RL in there for a few months.

The guy is a big Saints fan.

 

First time I've ever heard of a players drop in form due to not going out on the p!ss too often.

[saint lard]

If this is the case then whatever players dont want to be here can go, i dont care who they are (or think they are) no one player is bigger than our club.

 

Everyone needs to be 100% behind the manager and pulling in the right direction as a team, i have faith in Adkins to get us out of this division, he has managed in this league twice and been promoted twice and if the players dont back him then if we get the right price they can go imo

 

And relegated once IIRC.

[Graffito]

Maybe he's fed up because he's not scoring.

[West End Saint]

Lambo is a goal scorer he will come good as the season progresses he does a lot of good things wins the headers holds the ball up links the play yes he is off form & not upto last seasons standard but he is a threat he has been a yard short but as he gets fitter the chances and goals will come I still believe he will get 20 + this season

[Dimond Geezer]

I wouldn't know about his home life/drinking habits/transfer speculation. As I see it he's not getting the service he had last season. There has been no Waigo/Antonio replacements come in and we are now paying for it with lack of goals from RL.

[Big Bad Bob]

Right, Lambert was demotivated under Pardew enough to score 31 goals?? Can't wait to see him happy then...

 

Maybe I should have explicitly stated THIS SEASON!!

[Victor]

Maybe I should have explicitly stated THIS SEASON!!

 

What? You mean those 3 league games in which he scored 2 goals?!

[Big Bad Bob]

I wouldn't know about his home life/drinking habits/transfer speculation. As I see it he's not getting the service he had last season. There has been no Waigo/Antonio replacements come in and we are now paying for it with lack of goals from RL.

 

Are you saying that Waigo/Antonio provided for Rickie or are you saying he had better service because Waigo/Antonio pulled men off of marking Rickie so he had more space and time to compose himself??

[buctootim]

It was obvious that RL was demotivated / injured whatever under Pardew at the beginning at the season. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous. Thats not say its Pardews fault, as he hasnt improved under NA. Who knows what the problem is.

[eelpie]

Whichever way one looks at it, Rickie has been acting unprofessionally and hurting his own best interests.

 

Because he returned to the squad unfit and overweight in the summer. He should have kept himself in better trim condition.

He should be motivating himself to the best of his ability in order to attract clubs in higher leagues. This is not happening on the pitch as can be seen most weeks, sadly. We know that players suffer poor form spells and niggling injuries, but this is more than that. It is lack of motivation to do his best.

 

But why?

[keithd]

If he wants to go, let him go. He is replaceable, everybody is replaceable. Dont want sulkychops players at the club undermining others with a poor attitude.

 

Of course I want this rumour to be total bullmud and RL carry on playing for us and returning to last seasons form.

[Avenue Saint]

He is fat!

 

When n if he loses the weight I have no doubt his form will pick up.

 

As to why he hasn't been able to do that yet obviously is a damn good question..

 

But I simply think he just isn't as mobile as he was last season due to the extra weight which is plain for all to see

[monkadill]

Cos he is ginger(ish)

[Dimond Geezer]

Are you saying that Waigo/Antonio provided for Rickie or are you saying he had better service because Waigo/Antonio pulled men off of marking Rickie so he had more space and time to compose himself??

 

I was specifically thinking of the supply line they provided, and I'm sure the stats will bear this out (which I don't have & can't be bothered to go hunting for), but you make a good point as they also posed a threat and hence confusion in front of goal which would need to be dealt with allowing Rickie the time & space you mentioned.

[derry]

We had a spell at the start of last season when we couldn't score from play. Then Waigo arrived followed by Antonio and we started scoring for fun. Waigo/Antonio became the plan A and if we needed to have a go at the end to rescue the game one of them became plan B.

 

Apart from A-OC we are very static, Lallana is developing into a good player but does lack pace, however he is able to perform in spite of it, Hammond runs like he's just been snipped, Schneiderlin is immobile and just sits trying to give the responsibility to someone else showing a marked lack of effort, Chaplow gives all he's got.

 

Barnard is the most mobile of the front men but again lacks pace, the midfield is terribly static so the lack of movement is making things difficult for Lambert who isn't particularly dynamic and lacks pace, but he is a smart striker at the moment lacking vital confidence.

 

Provided there is no underlying political problem, if we are going to get the best out of Lambert again, it is vital to get in some movement and dynamism in central midfield, plus a couple of versatile quick wide players that can score goals and get to the byeline as per Waigo/Antonio and fill in as an alternative pacy striker if needed. These two are additions to the squad to provide alternatives and cover but the central midfield is vital.

 

Adkins and Cortese want to play a fast pass and move game but our goalkeeper and two of the central midfielders aren't going to play that way, so will have to be replaced. I can't see Lambert getting the freedom to play the way he likes unless these changes are made.

Edited 18 November, 2010 by derry

[Wade Garrett]

Adkins and Cortese want to play a fast pass and move game but our goalkeeper and two of the central midfielders aren't going to play that way, so will have to be replaced. I can't see Lambert getting the freedom to play the way he likes unless these changes are made.

 

So you would change our keeper because he doesn't play a fast pass and move game? Why not put AOC in goal?

[derry]

So you would change our keeper because he doesn't play a fast pass and move game? Why not put AOC in goal?

 

Yes because he isn't comfortable playing out quickly to the nearest free outfield player, secondly because he is a bloody liability anchored to the goal line with corners etc hit into the six yd box. He might save a few shots but his all round game is poor and we need a decent keeper who can dominate the penalty area. Loads of teams have them but we haven't.

[Cestrian Saint]

I said in July that Ricky was unhappy because he wasn't allowed to talk to a couple of premiership clubs over the summer. As usual I was shot down in flames by other forum members, despite the fact that I got my information from one of the coaching staff at the club.

[buctootim]

I said in July that Ricky was unhappy because he wasn't allowed to talk to a couple of premiership clubs over the summer. As usual I was shot down in flames by other forum members, despite the fact that I got my information from one of the coaching staff at the club.

 

Very rare for a footballer to want out of their contract as soon as something better comes along but insist on keep drawing their wages if they are crap or long term injured.

[Pedro]

Ricky was due a bad season, couldn't be top goalscorer every year and also probably expected to get promoted and not wanting another season in the third division.

 

Bet man U are asking the same about Rooney (although he's got reasons for his depression,how to spend his cash!!!!!)

[Deano6]

I've heard it's been because he's been having erectile dysfunction in bed. His wife is being supportive but its really affecting his confidence.

[Window Cleaner]

Echo says NA is considering dropping him, bet he doesn't though.If I had a fiver for every time AP said "Rickie needs a rest so we'll have to see what we can do" and then did nothing, I'd be rich.

[Roger Ramjet]

Yes because he isn't comfortable playing out quickly to the nearest free outfield player, secondly because he is a bloody liability anchored to the goal line with corners etc hit into the six yd box. He might save a few shots but his all round game is poor and we need a decent keeper who can dominate the penalty area. Loads of teams have them but we haven't.

 

I actually couldn't agree more.

 

Rarely post on here, but felt compelled to.

 

I cannot understand why KD seems immovable when we have a keeper sat on he bench who is just as capable, if not better. I don't think loyalty/sulking would be an issue either as he's waited long enough to get a chance (next season surely?!)

 

Where we sit, KD's known as 'The Crab'

[Saint_clark]

If he wants to go, let him go. He is replaceable, everybody is replaceable. Dont want sulkychops players at the club undermining others with a poor attitude.

 

Of course I want this rumour to be total bullmud and RL carry on playing for us and returning to last seasons form.

 

Can't agree with this. Leeds had exactly the opposite attitude with Beckford last season, and they got promoted. We should be keeping our best players.

[Saint_clark]

Yes because he isn't comfortable playing out quickly to the nearest free outfield player, secondly because he is a bloody liability anchored to the goal line with corners etc hit into the six yd box. He might save a few shots but his all round game is poor and we need a decent keeper who can dominate the penalty area. Loads of teams have them but we haven't.

 

Davis has actually picked out some fantastic quick throws/passes this season.

[derry]

Davis has actually picked out some fantastic quick throws/passes this season.

 

The only fantastic thing about Davis is his shot stopping. Against Tranmere he threw out all the time which was observed by the Huddersfield scout sat next to us. At Huddersfield the outlets especially Fonte were closed down quickly but Davis still threw the ball out to put players in trouble. He shows no judgement about when to release the ball and often delays so long he has to kick long. In the following match he kicked long all the time and hardly threw at all. Now he is predominately kicking.

 

He regularly causes problems with a stupid pass and in three games we only just managed to clear the ball, whilst against Notts County he damn near lost the ball when he was closed down by the striker and only managed to get the ball out of play, having been surprised and tried to dribble around the striker. His biggest problem is that he has no clear idea where he is going to pass to when he receives the ball, so he delays while he looks. Keepers that like playing short, already know where the ball is going almost before they get it and immediately release it. Furthermore our defenders are extremely wary and often are not looking for the ball as they know he wants to kick long.

 

IMO I think that Adkins is going to bring in a keeper that is comfortable playing from the back and as soon as he can get one Davis will be relegated and probably on his way. Added to that he is probably the biggest reason we are conceding goals from crosses/corners on the edge of the six yd box because he is on the goal line and doesn't command his goal area.

[benjii]

I actually couldn't agree more.

 

Rarely post on here, but felt compelled to.

 

I cannot understand why KD seems immovable when we have a keeper sat on he bench who is just as capable, if not better. I don't think loyalty/sulking would be an issue either as he's waited long enough to get a chance (next season surely?!)

 

Where we sit, KD's known as 'The Crab'

 

Bart's distribution is appalling and he makes gaffs. I have no idea how anyone can seriously think he is a better option. It beggars belief.

[benjii]

Davis has actually picked out some fantastic quick throws/passes this season.

 

Yeah. People slagged his distribution last season but he was only doing what Pardew asked him to do and his kicks are usually very accurate.

 

I think the problem he has is when he has to think too much. If things get complicated he seems prone to errors of judgment. This has been manifested a couple of times this season when he has tried to play short passes when he should have just hoofed it.

[chocco boxo]

Echo says NA is considering dropping him, bet he doesn't though.If I had a fiver for every time AP said "Rickie needs a rest so we'll have to see what we can do" and then did nothing, I'd be rich.

 

Could be the start to a rocky road. Peterboro are leaking goals let RL fill his boots Saturday.

[leftback]

It was obvious that RL was demotivated / injured whatever under Pardew at the beginning at the season. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous. Thats not say its Pardews fault, as he hasnt improved under NA. Who knows what the problem is.

 

read previous post.re rl

just another case of well done bruno.

hes lovely and petite isnt he, and so tidy

[Graffito]

We had a spell at the start of last season when we couldn't score from play. Then Waigo arrived followed by Antonio and we started scoring for fun. Waigo/Antonio became the plan A and if we needed to have a go at the end to rescue the game one of them became plan B.

 

Apart from A-OC we are very static, Lallana is developing into a good player but does lack pace, however he is able to perform in spite of it, Hammond runs like he's just been snipped, Schneiderlin is immobile and just sits trying to give the responsibility to someone else showing a marked lack of effort, Chaplow gives all he's got.

 

Barnard is the most mobile of the front men but again lacks pace, the midfield is terribly static so the lack of movement is making things difficult for Lambert who isn't particularly dynamic and lacks pace, but he is a smart striker at the moment lacking vital confidence.

 

Provided there is no underlying political problem, if we are going to get the best out of Lambert again, it is vital to get in some movement and dynamism in central midfield, plus a couple of versatile quick wide players that can score goals and get to the byeline as per Waigo/Antonio and fill in as an alternative pacy striker if needed. These two are additions to the squad to provide alternatives and cover but the central midfield is vital.

 

Adkins and Cortese want to play a fast pass and move game but our goalkeeper and two of the central midfielders aren't going to play that way, so will have to be replaced. I can't see Lambert getting the freedom to play the way he likes unless these changes are made.

 

I agree with much of this but pace, though desirable, is not essential to moving the ball quickly. Norwich last season moved the ball quickly but had little or no pace in the side.

[Graffito]

Yeah. People slagged his distribution last season but he was only doing what Pardew asked him to do and his kicks are usually very accurate.

 

I think the problem he has is when he has to think too much. If things get complicated he seems prone to errors of judgment. This has been manifested a couple of times this season when he has tried to play short passes when he should have just hoofed it.

 

I think his kicks are inaccurate and thereby ceded possession far too easily. It's a common fault of keepers in England though, partly due to the number of times the ball gets passed back to the keeper.

[aintforever]

Bart commands his area better than Kelvin IMO.

[dubai_phil]

Phew. Thanks lads, I'm glad we've cleared everything up.

 

Rickie is unhappy because KD is Krap.

[Fan The Flames]

If Middlesbrough did contact the club and ask to approach Lambert and if the club said no why did they allegedly only offer an extension to the contract without more money. I think, like a number of other transfer rumours, it is wide of the mark.

 

Your reason to disprove the rumour is a bit weak because the approach and the extension request could both happen. RL has scored 50 goals over the last two seasons and would generate interest from the higher division so it's not beyond the impossible for Middlesbrough to have made an approach. NC aware that RL is an asset may have looked to protect that asset a bit further and appreciate its worth by elongating RL's contract. NC is a hard cookie and again its not improbable that he may have tried to do this without offering any more cash on the basis that RL wages jumped quite a lot when we signed him from Bristol Rovers.

 

Furthermore it is possible that all this has unsettled RL, he is 28 and I would expect he would like a pop at a higher division before it's too late, he is a Northerner and may want to move closer to home etc etc. He wouldn't be the first player to play like an arse to force a move.

[Jackie@home]

Ricky is far too slow to play Premiership football, and probably the Championship as well. He's earning a lot more than he's ever done before, and most of his career he's been scraping around League 2 - this doesn't make him sound widely ambitious. He's probably struggling with all the extra attention defenders are giving him, and he's got no speed to get away from them. Trust some on here to pick on Kelv - any excuse. Amazing his fellow pros voted for him in the League One team of the season.

[Huffton]

Trust some on here to pick on Kelv - any excuse. Amazing his fellow pros voted for him in the League One team of the season.

 

Not really surprising, Puncheon has gone, time for a new scapegoat.

 

Look, as much as we all love RL, there is a reason he is 28 and still playing in L1.

[Junction 9]

Maybe someone gave him a link to this website?

[The boy done well]

Have I missed something or does no-one else on here subscribe to Saintsplayer. In his interview this afternoon Adkins spent around a minute and a half talking about RL. Quite simply, he said he'd had knee and hip injuries that have limited his ability to train so they've been having to nurse him through them while playing him as well. He has now recovered from these and they are hoping that gaining full fitness will help him recover his form. He also indicated that he actually dropped him for the Shrewsbury game. No wonder he's a bit miserable! Maybe he ought to join this forum!

[Fan The Flames]

Have I missed something or does no-one else on here subscribe to Saintsplayer. In his interview this afternoon Adkins spent around a minute and a half talking about RL. Quite simply, he said he'd had knee and hip injuries that have limited his ability to train so they've been having to nurse him through them while playing him as well. He has now recovered from these and they are hoping that gaining full fitness will help him recover his form. He also indicated that he actually dropped him for the Shrewsbury game. No wonder he's a bit miserable! Maybe he ought to join this forum!

 

It sounds like he might be over his Middlesbrough sulk then

[NickG]

Have I missed something or does no-one else on here subscribe to Saintsplayer. In his interview this afternoon Adkins spent around a minute and a half talking about RL. Quite simply, he said he'd had knee and hip injuries that have limited his ability to train so they've been having to nurse him through them while playing him as well. He has now recovered from these and they are hoping that gaining full fitness will help him recover his form. He also indicated that he actually dropped him for the Shrewsbury game. No wonder he's a bit miserable! Maybe he ought to join this forum!

 

sounds more likely explanation - and from better source!

[dubai_phil]

Have I missed something or does no-one else on here subscribe to Saintsplayer. In his interview this afternoon Adkins spent around a minute and a half talking about RL. Quite simply, he said he'd had knee and hip injuries that have limited his ability to train so they've been having to nurse him through them while playing him as well. He has now recovered from these and they are hoping that gaining full fitness will help him recover his form. He also indicated that he actually dropped him for the Shrewsbury game. No wonder he's a bit miserable! Maybe he ought to join this forum!

 

I'm sorry, you appeared to have found the wrong Saints fan forum. Please check your Internet Browser for your more normal "The Common Sense and slightly intelligent Saints fan forum".

 

This is the Southampton Samaritans web site, you found it by mistake, if you wish to post accurate facts make sure you find the right site in future.

 

In the meantime, thankyou. Thread over, and lolage at all the rest of it.

[Big Bad Bob]

Have I missed something or does no-one else on here subscribe to Saintsplayer. In his interview this afternoon Adkins spent around a minute and a half talking about RL. Quite simply, he said he'd had knee and hip injuries that have limited his ability to train so they've been having to nurse him through them while playing him as well. He has now recovered from these and they are hoping that gaining full fitness will help him recover his form. He also indicated that he actually dropped him for the Shrewsbury game. No wonder he's a bit miserable! Maybe he ought to join this forum!

 

No I don't subscribe to Saintsplayer, maybe I should.

 

I hereby unreservedly apologise for my denigration of Rickie!

 

Actually, maybe he should have been rested earlier for a couple of games. I'd prefer an earlier fully fit Rickie than a half hobbled one.

[Roger Ramjet]

Bart's distribution is appalling and he makes gaffs. I have no idea how anyone can seriously think he is a better option. It beggars belief.

 

I think that's a more accurate description of Kelvin Davis actually!

[Window Cleaner]

I think that's a more accurate description of Kelvin Davis actually!

 

6 posts in 18 months, then 2 posts in 2 days, watch it Bart, you'll become a forum junky and have to pay £5 to get your fix every day..:scared:

Edited 19 November, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[up and away]

Have I missed something or does no-one else on here subscribe to Saintsplayer. In his interview this afternoon Adkins spent around a minute and a half talking about RL. Quite simply, he said he'd had knee and hip injuries that have limited his ability to train so they've been having to nurse him through them while playing him as well. He has now recovered from these and they are hoping that gaining full fitness will help him recover his form. He also indicated that he actually dropped him for the Shrewsbury game. No wonder he's a bit miserable! Maybe he ought to join this forum!

 

This makes so much sense, I am just surprised never to have heard this before. A lot of Ricky's problems reminded me of the problems Fuller had whilst he was with us, especially the inability to jump. It took Fuller nigh on two seasons to get back to fitness and the time issue is the pressing problem with Ricky.

 

We need a striker who will get us 25 goals a season now, we can't afford to wait or the automatic spots will be out of our reach. Ricky still has his uses, but to pin our hopes without any real sign of recovery just does not seem the wisest move. I would be happier if we went directly into the loan market now if this problem could be solved.

[MarkSFC]

I think that's a more accurate description of Kelvin Davis actually!

 

I think neither are particularly great at kicking and distribution but for different reasons.

 

Davis would have learnt hid trade as a kid snd in his early pro days without the need to kick/control back passes. And very few schools/kids teams play from the back! Goalkeepers normally end up there cos they aren't the greatest kickers/passers of the football but can catch! Therefore David had had to learn this skill relatively late on. His level of performance in different aspects is quite wide, hence he's never played for England in a time when there hasn't been a great one since Shilton.

 

Bart on the other hand is effectively still learning. Although goalkeepers ate starting to get chances higher up the league at younger ages now it seems, because of his injury mainly and KDs form in a team that played the hoof ball mostly he hasn't had a chance to reach potential yet. I think he should get his chance soon but as our (former GK) manager sees him in training every day he's better placed than any of us to judge. I wouldn't be surprised to see another keeper in Jan or the summer.

[John B]

How did he play today