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Legod Third Coming

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Well not suprised at this but the boo boys have got their way yet again

well done to those. I take it spiderman and Lambert are the next ones to leave

oh and don't be suprised if NC sells up and leaves.

 

What a sad day for the genuine saints fans

 

My friend if you think fans can influence team selection you need to get yourself down to the doctor and ask him to explain a superiority complex... Puncheon going has nothing to do with fans, unless that's how we're going to select and buy players in future, based on a fan clapometre??

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Weston Saint

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Let's look at some punchy statistics:

 

Games this season - 17 starts

Goals - none

Assists -two

Shots 19 on 18 off

 

Compare with Lallana

 

Games - 12 plus 3 sub appearances

Goals - five

Assists - four

Shots 17 on 12 off

 

Chamberlain

 

Games - 5 plus 4 sub appearances

Goals - four

Assists - one

Shots 8 on 6 off

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Dalek2003

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My friend if you think fans can influence team selection you need to get yourself down to the doctor and ask him to explain a superiority complex... Puncheon going has nothing to do with fans, unless that's how we're going to select and buy players in future, based on a fan clapometre??

 

My friend, fans can influence all sorts of things, like the appointment of a turnip for manager and the eventual downfall of this club.

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Big John

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His wage was too big anyway, compared to what is/was available.

 

I for one shall miss his back-tracking, of a standard and determination rarely seen at our current level.

 

I did a couple of weeks allude to the fact that he was in a period of adjustment. I meant that it was US who needed to adjust expectations not Punch as obviously he has not *****il now) played at the higher level.

 

really hope that we don;t regret not keeping hold but something tells me that he'll do well for them and they will appreciate him for what he offers.

 

in summary...our loss.

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SaintRichmond

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He can drop as many hints as he likes, I'm just worried we won't have the squad depth untill that happens. Losing Puncheon is a massive blow.

 

 

IMHO, Puncheon wanted OUT, and has got a nice move to a CCC Team, the level at which Puncheon himself thinks he is worthy of

 

Now, if Lambert, Schneiderlin, and Fonte think it through, Puncheon's way is a good way of getting to a HIGHER level of Football

 

Simples

 

(Something still aint right at St Mary's)

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up and away

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Lambert, Schneiderlin and Fonte are all underperforming by last season's standards.They were all here last season to gain promotion, it is common knowledge (well LB told us so anyway) that Schneiderlin wanted to leave last May.Probably not of his own doing but the FFF will have been getting on at him about it again.They see him as a future international and are probably not happy with the standard of play in our league or maybe even the day to day coaching that he gets.

 

Fonte is slightly under performing from last season, but as I have previously said, I believe that is down to not just trying to do his own job, but covering for the weaknesses of others. His biggest issue is getting pulled out of position in trying to cover too much. Whether that be covering for Kelvin or any other part of the defence. This is only a minor criticism, as Fonte is the real class player on that pitch.

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Fonte is slightly under performing from last season, but as I have previously said, I believe that is down to not just trying to do his own job, but covering for the weaknesses of others. His biggest issue is getting pulled out of position in trying to cover too much. Whether that be covering for Kelvin or any other part of the defence. This is only a minor criticism, as Fonte is the real class player on that pitch.

 

he is quality, but he needs to stop thinking he is a million miles better than every oponent. He dives in for everything. Every now and then he comes up against a touch of class and he needs to jockey a bit more.

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Saint Fan CaM

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Sound management decision from NA. Weed out the pretenders and bring players that have some substance and desire - not just a name. We might see more movement outwards of some of AP's 'wonder boys' - the ones that NA finds out as wanting. Just hope that NC now backs NA and gets proper replacements without hesitation.

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Saint_clark

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Sound management decision from NA. Weed out the pretenders and bring players that have some substance and desire - not just a name. We might see more movement outwards of some of AP's 'wonder boys' - the ones that NA finds out as wanting. Just hope that NC now backs NA and gets proper replacements without hesitation.

 

Will you be as supportive of him if he finds Morgan wanting? Because he certainly doesn't seem to like him at the moment. Got a feeling he'll be one of the first out the door in january. Of course, if he starts tomorrow i'll be proven wrong...

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Interesting link clearly indicating the stuff about Puncheon's clothing being inappropriate at the memorial service is utter gubbins (that's assuming his black jumper as opposed to everyone else's white shirt and dark jacket wasn't the problem).

 

That won't stop people going on about it forever though, this is one of these facts that we need a section in SaintsWeb to hold, so it can be linked every single time someone perpetuates the same old incorrect argument.

 

Like my personal favourite - the lie about Wilde spending £7m on players, when Rasiak was signed on loan under Lowe in the January with agreement of a permanent deal in the summer and £2m pricetag, all agreed before Lowe left, and therefore nothing to do with Wilde's expenditure at all. Also part of the "bigger picture lie" which claimed we outspent everyone in the CCC that season, when actually we were about 6th in expenditure, and the "they spent nothing" Sunderland and Derby sides who went up actually outspent us, and weren't needing to replace 17 players we'd shipped out in the post-Prem season.

 

But anyway, Puncheon...

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he is quality, but he needs to stop thinking he is a million miles better than every oponent. He dives in for everything. Every now and then he comes up against a touch of class and he needs to jockey a bit more.

 

I agree with this. I think Fonte is class but he does try to cover too much.

 

I can't remember who it was against but there was a two on two situation earlier in the season, as they broke at us, Aaron Martin was closest to the ball and gestured to Fonte that he had it covered, he was pointing Fonte to cover the spare man. Instead Fonte went rushing over and the ball ended up with the spare man, pretty sure they scored.

 

Now it was just a case of Fonte not trusting Martin and wanting to help, which is somewhat understandable given Martin's inexperience. But Fonte does need to keep his discipline and not act as though he's the only defender sometimes.

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Wow, I thought Lowe Luvvies had died out..

I found Puncheon's attitude to MLs remembrance service a disgrace, but could have lived with it if he had delivered on the pitch.

I am totally ambivalent about his departure.

I am worried that the squad seems to have some mewling prima-donnas within its ranks still.

 

he certainly played well in the game he returned back into the side despite fans looking to jump all over him if he did anything wrong. Althought it perhaps was more along the lines of him thinking to himself that he'd rather pass it quicker so they don't moan at him adn that was exactly what we needed - less ball hogging. I was told that he acts like a billy big balls, but then again he's a professional footballer, many tend to act like that don't they?

 

And herein lies the reason that Alpine is the type of poster that he is...

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SaintRichmond

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Sound management decision from NA. Weed out the pretenders and bring players that have some substance and desire - not just a name. We might see more movement outwards of some of AP's 'wonder boys' - the ones that NA finds out as wanting. Just hope that NC now backs NA and gets proper replacements without hesitation.

 

At first sight, yes, I agree

 

But think about it

 

Anyone NOT happy to be in Saints Division Three Team could now be a "pretender", and be shipped out, just like Puncheon

 

That could be a Good way to get back to the CCC for some

 

I think NA better think it through again

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At first sight, yes, I agree

 

But think about it

 

Anyone NOT happy to be in Saints Division Three Team could now be a "pretender", and be shipped out, just like Puncheon

 

That could be a Good way to get back to the CCC for some

 

I think NA better think it through again

 

Good, anyone who thinks that they're too big for Saints don't deserver to be playing for Saints.

 

Or are you advocating that we play players who don't want to be here and don't put in their all?

 

Also CCC clubs have to want the players for the players to get into the CCC!

 

Seriously I think RichmondSaint better think it through again.

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Good, anyone who thinks that they're too big for Saints don't deserver to be playing for Saints.

 

Or are you advocating that we play players who don't want to be here and don't put in their all?

 

Also CCC clubs have to want the players for the players to get into the CCC!

 

Seriously I think RichmondSaint better think it through again.

 

So, we have got rid of Puncheon, IMHO because he was not interested in helping us get out of Division Three

 

You are therefore happy then if, like Puncheon, the likes of Fonte, Lambert and Schneiderli adopt the same attitude, and also get shipped out ??? ( Don't try to tell me they are any more happier than Puncheon in being in Division Three )

 

If it happens, it would leave us even more threadbare than we already are don't you think ???

 

Mass Replacements in January ??? Don't hold your breath

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So, we have got rid of Puncheon, IMHO because he was not interested in helping us get out of Division Three

 

You are therefore happy then if, like Puncheon, the likes of Fonte, Lambert and Schneiderli adopt the same attitude, and also get shipped out ??? ( Don't try to tell me they are any more happier than Puncheon in being in Division Three )

 

If it happens, it would leave us even more threadbare than we already are don't you think ???

 

Mass Replacements in January ??? Don't hold your breath

 

So players who don't want to play for Saints and therefore don't give there all should be made to play? Is that what you're saying.

 

If push came to shove I would rather have a motivated kid with half the talent of the aforementioned players than an unmotivated player.

 

And if, as you're alluding, there is no money to buy new players then these players going will give us the resources to get new players in.

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So players who don't want to play for Saints and therefore don't give there all should be made to play? Is that what you're saying.

 

If push came to shove I would rather have a motivated kid with half the talent of the aforementioned players than an unmotivated player.

 

And if, as you're alluding, there is no money to buy new players then these players going will give us the resources to get new players in.

 

I am against any Player manipulating a situation whereby he can wangle a move just because he does not like the League he is currently in THEY ARE BOUGHT TO PLAY THE BEST FOOTBALL THEY CAN, not Sulk

 

Unfortunately, it would seem I cannot win this debate because Players Contracts are now not worth the paper they are written on these days

 

Can you imagine Brian Clough putting up with that sort of attitude ?? No way, the player would very soon be brought into line ie " You play to earn your corn lad, or you get no corn "

 

Our own Lawrie McMeney took no lip from Mark Wright when he was out of line, he sent him to play in the Third Team as I recall

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I am against any Player manipulating a situation whereby he can wangle a move just because he does not like the League he is currently in THEY ARE BOUGHT TO PLAY THE BEST FOOTBALL THEY CAN, not Sulk

 

Unfortunately, it would seem I cannot win this debate because Players Contracts are now not worth the paper they are written on these days

 

Can you imagine Brian Clough putting up with that sort of attitude ?? No way, the player would very soon be brought into line ie " You play to earn your corn lad, or you get no corn "

 

That really worked at Leeds didn't it??

 

Our own Lawrie McMeney took no lip from Mark Wright when he was out of line, he sent him to play in the Third Team as I recall

 

So you're still pushing them out of the first team UNTIL such point as they decide to toe the line, so therefore you are still excluding them from the first team, so you're still reliant on the young kid with half the talent....

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So players who don't want to play for Saints and therefore don't give there all should be made to play? Is that what you're saying.

 

If push came to shove I would rather have a motivated kid with half the talent of the aforementioned players than an unmotivated player.

 

And if, as you're alluding, there is no money to buy new players then these players going will give us the resources to get new players in.

 

Are you Poortvliet in disguise?

And in response to your first sentence - yes. Leeds did it with Beckford and it worked.

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That really worked at Leeds didn't it??

 

So you're still pushing them out of the first team UNTIL such point as they decide to toe the line, so therefore you are still excluding them from the first team, so you're still reliant on the young kid with half the talent....

 

Do you mean Leeds when Clough was only there for a few weeks ?? or Leeds last year when they told Beckford to help get them Promoted, THEN he could go ??

 

As regards players "toeing the line" ??? So you'd be happy to keep paying Full Whack to a player for a less than enthusiastic response ???

 

Players are Professionals and get Mega Professional Salary's, and as such, their Professionalism should mean they give 100% for the duration of their Contract

 

Letting them leave "on loan" is simply giving in to them

 

As my earlier Post implied, that could open Floodgates

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Crazy idea Nigel

 

Have you not watched the interview where Adkins said they may loan in some more players before next Thursday's deadline and huge hints that they will be spending in January then? Recent improvements in the last couple of days to the training ground development show the money hasn't stopped and so do the interviews with Cortse and Adkins over the last couple of months. Puncheon, simply is not going to get much action at Saints (as he hasn't in the last 4 games).

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SaintRichmond

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guess he wanted out

 

He sure did

 

What bugs me with ANY player is that they always take 100% of their "hard earned" Salary's, IRRESPECTIVE of whether they give a Toss about the Club, or whether they give far less than 100% in effort on the pitch

 

It is wrong that petulant attitudes such as that of Puncheon can still work in his favour, without any penalty levied against him for his "dosn't give a Toss" attitude

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OK the person who dies & the club he joined are not the most important thing..........It must have been a player, but for the life of me I cant remember who as I am not a Wolves luvey & dont have enough time to research all the bits & pieces. I stand corrected on who & where he went, but the point is still relevant - Mr point scorer!

 

In the five years i've read this forum, this has to be the most unintentionally funny post ever. Cheers for making my day fellah. Give this man a prize!

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Chez

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...and Adam Hamill scored for Barnsley, add another to the list of little blighters who perhaps go on to prove us alll wrong? Maybe he's off the Mars bars..

 

if every ex-saints scores against the Saints I'll cope better with allowing the better to leave us.

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Which just goes to show its an attitude problem, and therefore I hope we never see him in a Saints shirt again.

 

How do you work that out?

 

He was shooting as much as anyone before he left, it's not like his attitude meant he was hitting it wide or at the goal keeper, he was just out of form. There was no lack of effort, even when playing badly he was putting in a shift. Very unfair on him to suggest otherwise.

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