Andy_Porter Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Puncheon wasn't nearly as bad as some like to think. At this level he was good and suggestions that we'll replace with someone better lead to me to the obvious question, who is this better player? I'm concerned that we are now very reliant on Chamberlain. He's is fantastic, but I hope he stays fit because Holmes, Dickson and Lallana are all left sided players. 100% agree, evem an out of form Puncheon was still working hard at both ends, wanting the bal and still trying to make things happen. We only need a silly red card or an unfortunate injury and we're in all sorts of trouble. Lallana would have to move to the right as there's no way Dickson or Holmes could play out there and I feel Lallana is wasted on the right... It's unfortunate, but I think a few of our players were just playing for Pardew, Puncheon, Lambert and Schneiderlin all spring to mind, I wouldn't be suprised to see the other two shipped on in the January window, then you have to start worrying about Lallana, he's obviously not going to want to stick around in this league if we aren't looking like a side who will go up automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 If Puncheon has been causing trouble with his attitude towards Adkins, then he is not needed at the club. We need players who play for the shirt. I doubt Puncheon ever did- and thus he is not needed. No point having him if he doesn't care about us. nail on head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 (edited) Quite disappointed about this move. It is a move that will weaken the squad,imo,one that is hardly setting the world alight as it is. A suspension or injury to key players and this crucial period coming up will be made all the more harder. Puncheons form last year i deemed to be really quite good and effective,yet this season thus far seems to have dipped considerably. I think you can add others to that list,Harding,Jaidi,Shneiderlien,Fonte,and most prominantly Lambert...considering the majority of the side is built around players that were all in the league one side of the season last season,many are not fulfilling thier roles adequetly. Who would've thought that perhaps major surgery is required to the playing squad at the end of last season....i certainly did not. Why are these players not performing? If Puncheon was causing unrest then he has to go. Lets hope others are not too unsettled. Edited 17 November, 2010 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Quite disappointed about this move. It is a move that will weaken the squad,imo,one that is hardly setting the world alight as it is. A suspension or injury to key players and this crucial period coming up will be made all the more harder. Puncheons form last year i deemed to be really quite good and effective,yet this season thus far seems to have dipped considerably. I think you can add others to that list,Harding,Jaidi,Shneiderlien,Fonte,and most prominantly Lambert...considering the majority of the side is built around players that were all in the league one side of the season last season,many are not fulfilling thier roles adequetly. Who would've thought that perhaps major surgery is required to the playing squad at the end of last season....i certainly did not. Why are these players not performing? If Puncheon was causing unrest then he has to go. Lets hope others are not too unsettled. Fonte???? when was that as every game I have seen him he has been a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Quite disappointed about this move. It is a move that will weaken the squad,imo,one that is hardly setting the world alight as it is. A suspension or injury to key players and this crucial period coming up will be made all the more harder. Puncheons form last year i deemed to be really quite good and effective,yet this season thus far seems to have dipped considerably. I think you can add others to that list,Harding,Jaidi,Shneiderlien,Fonte,and most prominantly Lambert...considering the majority of the side is built around players that were all in the league one side of the season last season,many are not fulfilling thier roles adequetly. Who would've thought that perhaps major surgery was required to the playing squad at the end of last season....i certainly did not. It wasn't - we ended last season as red-hot favourites to walk the league this season, and justifiably so! Somewhere between Wembley and Plymouth we managed to lose the plot completely (including two of last year's better players). We are where we are, new manager but same old under-performance; I don't think NC is planning to spend a shed load of cash on more players, NA will obviously have to shuffle his pack if he can't get anymore out of what he has inherited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Fonte???? when was that as every game I have seen him he has been a rock. Yeah I certainly wouldn't say Fonte and Jaidi is just old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 It's unfortunate, but I think a few of our players were just playing for Pardew. But this 'form' has been going on since the start of the season, so maybe they weren't playing for AP at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 But this 'form' has been going on since the start of the season, so maybe they weren't playing for AP at all. Perhaps when Pardew became demotivated they did likewise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Perhaps when Pardew became demotivated they did likewise. So a swift sharp kick up the backside is needed to motivate them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Puncheon wasn't nearly as bad as some like to think. At this level he was good and suggestions that we'll replace with someone better lead to me to the obvious question, who is this better player? I'm concerned that we are now very reliant on Chamberlain. He's is fantastic, but I hope he stays fit because Holmes, Dickson and Lallana are all left sided players. I think better should mean a better suited player in terms of temperament, experience and skill to fit in with the team after all, we are a League One team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Originally Posted by Andy_Porter It's unfortunate, but I think a few of our players were just playing for Pardew. But this 'form' has been going on since the start of the season, so maybe they weren't playing for AP at all. You could go back to pre-season and no one gave a rats arse. There was an improvement under Adkins, but he is now laying down the law and not accepting a sub standard performance. The gloves seem to be off now and Adkins has decided changes need to be made otherwise it will be terminal. I don't know what happened to Pardew, but without a doubt I place the blame with him. There is no doubt in my mind that Cortese never intended to sack Pardew so quickly, this is something Pardew brought on himself. Whether it was because he wanted out or was demotivated, the damage had set in. Pardew himself had lost the plot to an extent, standing in front of players and just yelling into their face, maybe the pressure just got to him and he could no longer function. If we replace Morgan with a decent player, get in a 20 goal a season striker we should be ok. Ricky still has his uses, but he aint going to get us an auto spot the way he is going and no CCC team is going to want him on his current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Why is everyone p1ssed off. Thought he was gash this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 What are your thoughts on leftback? He obviously has his sources, which you have to analyze and attempt to remove the truth from the agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 He obviously has his sources, which you have to analyze and attempt to remove the truth from the agenda but why has he an agenda, that's what you need to work out, I mean it's not as if it's likely to change anything is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 but why has he an agenda, that's what you need to work out, I mean it's not as if it's likely to change anything is it. No idea, i also agree with a lot on here. As much as getting so much internal info is good, it can't be doing any good in the dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Quite disappointed about this move. It is a move that will weaken the squad,imo,one that is hardly setting the world alight as it is. A suspension or injury to key players and this crucial period coming up will be made all the more harder. Puncheons form last year i deemed to be really quite good and effective,yet this season thus far seems to have dipped considerably. I think you can add others to that list,Harding,Jaidi,Shneiderlien,Fonte,and most prominantly Lambert...considering the majority of the side is built around players that were all in the league one side of the season last season,many are not fulfilling thier roles adequetly. Who would've thought that perhaps major surgery is required to the playing squad at the end of last season....i certainly did not. Why are these players not performing?If Puncheon was causing unrest then he has to go. Lets hope others are not too unsettled. Becuase they were playing for AP now he has gone it would appear some want out. Fair enough. Nigels the manager now so he needs players that will play for him this fine and natural. Problem is while Nigels molding his team and getting rid of those he doesn't want (or don't want to be here) it can't be helping our promotion push. Last season buying big in january and intergrating new players into the team seemed to cost us a dip in form this year with the league so tight we can't really afford a dip in form. It all makes the timming of APs sacking so frustrating if he'd gone in the summer Nigel could have built the team he wanted in the summer, If we weren't going to get rid of AP in the summer we should of stuck with him this season and backed him to the hilt. My gut feeling is still that if AP was here we would be doing better with the team we have now. I still think Nigel can get us promoted with a team he has built himself but I'm not sure it will be this season (which of course will mean Nigel might not be here to try next season). This is the problem saints have had for years everty time we change manager it seems we have to re-build the team too to match the new managers way of doing things , it would be nice to have a settled team and manager over several years for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 No idea, i also agree with a lot on here. As much as getting so much internal info is good, it can't be doing any good in the dressing room. I have my own idea as to the identity of leftback, fits, i could see how he gets the info, but why he'd do that I just couldn't say. Perhaps he got turned down for the managers job......more than once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Leftback could be anyone of 100s of people. If you just include the close friends and immediate family of players, coaches, agents, manager, and key staff at Staplewood and SMS you get to a couple of hundred people at least. This "ooh I know who you are game" is a bit embarrassing for grown men tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Leftback could be anyone of 100s of people. If you just include the close friends and immediate family of players, coaches, agents, manager, and key staff at Staplewood and SMS you get to a couple of hundred people at least. This "ooh I know who you are game" is a bit embarrassing for grown men tbh. so not too much risk of him/her getting unmasked just yet...good oh, brightens up our dull existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 True. Is a good game tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 He obviously has his sources, which you have to analyze and attempt to remove the truth from the agenda So does that include believing what you want and dismissing anything you don't want to hear as b*llocks? What about when you dismissed leftback's posts and called it rubbish only for them to turn out to be true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 So does that include believing what you want and dismissing anything you don't want to hear as b*llocks? What about when you dismissed leftback's posts and called it rubbish only for them to turn out to be true? Nah, he's got the good gen alright,if LB says it then it's probably about right,it's why he's doing it that matters. 3 posts a day is enough to titilate us without having to expose his identity by paying.Go on Steve give him a freeby,make our day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Nah, he's got the good gen alright,if LB says it then it's probably about right,it's why he's doing it that matters. 3 posts a day is enough to titilate us without having to expose his identity by paying.Go on Steve give him a freeby,make our day. Yep I agree. I just hope this board gives a little more slack to people posting rumours in future. People were a lot more tolerant in the past and the forum was a lot more interesting for it. Let people post what they want and it is up to the individual what they believe or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Yep I agree. I just hope this board gives a little more slack to people posting rumours in future. People were a lot more tolerant in the past and the forum was a lot more interesting for it. Let people post what they want and it is up to the individual what they believe or not. I suspect that the intolerance comes from many having been taken in by clowns in the recent past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 (edited) I suspect that the intolerance comes from many having been taken in by clowns in the recent past. Perhaps quietly disbelieving someone or even better, sending a private message to the person in question (if that facility is available.) to attempt to ascertain where they got their info from rather than feeling the need to shout LIAR or something similar to anyone who will listen is the better course to take. Even people who have got things wrong in the past, may have a range of different connections to the club so it does not follow that they are automatically wrong. I have known of a few cases of that on here and through being smart have managed to gain quite a lot of information about the goings on at SFC. This forum really is an interesting place to find information if you are a bit more open minded and not so quick to shout people down without knowing if they are telling the truth or not. I call my approach the "Trousers" policy by the way. Never dismiss someone no matter how outlandish their claims Edited 17 November, 2010 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 my issue with leftback wasnt so much what he was saying but more the way it was said. As in every bit of info was followed by a bash at NC. That type of behaviour stinks of someone having an agenda and is therefore most likely to be shot down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPY Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 my issue with leftback wasnt so much what he was saying but more the way it was said. As in every bit of info was followed by a bash at NC. That type of behaviour stinks of someone having an agenda and is therefore most likely to be shot down. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 my issue with leftback wasnt so much what he was saying but more the way it was said. As in every bit of info was followed by a bash at NC. That type of behaviour stinks of someone having an agenda and is therefore most likely to be shot down. I dont see what is wrong with people having views about Chaiman of Football Clubs many I recall had issues with Rupert Lowe Left Back has an issue with NC I think you have to accept that fact that LB has these issues and you have to live with them I used to have an issue last season that lots of posters were saying in Pardew we trust but they genuinely thought Pardew was going to lead us to the promised land so I accepted there comments but did not fully agree with them. Looking Forward to Tuesday's game without Puncheon a win will probably be a turning point in the season a loss I cannot really contemplate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 my issue with leftback wasnt so much what he was saying but more the way it was said. As in every bit of info was followed by a bash at NC. That type of behaviour stinks of someone having an agenda and is therefore most likely to be shot down. But why does a poster who's been on the various incarnations of this forum since October 2007 suddenly have an issue with the new CEO, it's obviously linked in some way to the previous manager because it only started when AP was gone,and yet the poster has been here for a long time.I really can't believe he'd be doing it because his ST payment plan had been taken away. It's something to with AP, one of his staff or a personal grudge for some reason or other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 We were already reliant on Alex before today's announcement. Puncheon aint delivering. Don't think Ox-C is ready to be relied upon for every game this season, already showing huge differences in form. Shame to lose Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 I dont see what is wrong with people having views about Chaiman of Football Clubs many I recall had issues with Rupert Lowe Left Back has an issue with NC I think you have to accept that fact that LB has these issues and you have to live with them I used to have an issue last season that lots of posters were saying in Pardew we trust but they genuinely thought Pardew was going to lead us to the promised land so I accepted there comments but did not fully agree with them. Looking Forward to Tuesday's game without Puncheon a win will probably be a turning point in the season a loss I cannot really contemplate ah big difference is we all had our issues with RL over the way the club was clearly not run in a way we wanted, and the countless other issues we had with him. Leftback has constant swipes without really backing up his reasons. Yes, maybe his reasons are genuine but he doesnt have to swipe at him with every post. It is also odd that LB appeared after AP went, there is definitely an agenda of sorts here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 ah big difference is we all had our issues with RL over the way the club was clearly not run in a way we wanted, and the countless other issues we had with him. Leftback has constant swipes without really backing up his reasons. Yes, maybe his reasons are genuine but he doesnt have to swipe at him with every post. It is also odd that LB appeared after AP went, there is definitely an agenda of sorts here I guess the club isn't run in the way he wants then.Leave him be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 I guess the club isn't run in the way he wants then.Leave him be. no, sorry but i wont leave him be. If he has issues with NC then surley an internet forum is not the place to settle it. Yes ok if he has info he wants to share such as Fonte going on hols then fair enough but there is no need for that to be followed up with a swipe at NC. If LB comes out and lets us all know what his problem is then maybe he would get treated a little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 I find it totally ridiculous that the club would let him go. But I wouldnt want to play in front of "supporters" that boo me either. We pay his wages - his form and effort have been below the standard expected. I pay my money and if he's standing there like a lemon as he very often has this year he deserves to be shouted at to make more effort - same goes for any of them actually. The opposite is also true for players pulling their weight. Entirely logical......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 So does that include believing what you want and dismissing anything you don't want to hear as b*llocks? What about when you dismissed leftback's posts and called it rubbish only for them to turn out to be true? I didn't call it b*llocks, as far as i remember, no doubt you will now drudge through every post i ever made to prove a point though. I dismissed the fact that he only seems to post anything if it has a sort of anti NC slant, he may well be spot on with his info, and i will listen to that in regards to team selection and remove the general jist of his posts, but i am not paying too much attention to any anti NC ramblings in the same way i would disregard any super uber bigging NC up and treat those posts in a similar fashion. Perhaps if he posted with a bit of objectivity and didn't come across as a complete chip on shoulder bell end then he would recieve a bit more patience from people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 But I wouldnt want to play in front of "supporters" that boo me either. Probably not a good move going to Millwall then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 my issue with leftback wasnt so much what he was saying but more the way it was said. As in every bit of info was followed by a bash at NC. That type of behaviour stinks of someone having an agenda and is therefore most likely to be shot down. But we knew this. He has always been upfront about it. What is the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 my issue with leftback wasnt so much what he was saying but more the way it was said. As in every bit of info was followed by a bash at NC. That type of behaviour stinks of someone having an agenda and is therefore most likely to be shot down. Exactly. And whilst not wishing to be a pedant, if someone has the writing standard of a ten year old it is hard to take them seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 But we knew this. He has always been upfront about it. What is the problem? The problem is that there is obviously the risk of slipping stuff in purely for mischief amongst the "true" bits and so people will always be wary of that. Also, people that turn up on these boards dropping little bits of info and turning the running of a football club into some sort of Bond-villain plot usually turn out to be ****s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 The problem is that there is obviously the risk of slipping stuff in purely for mischief amongst the "true" bits and so people will always be wary of that. Also, people that turn up on these boards dropping little bits of info and turning the running of a football club into some sort of Bond-villain plot usually turn out to be ****s. Or maybe what he says about Cortese is also true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Or maybe what he says about Cortese is also true? Yes, maybe. That doesn't contradict anything I've said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Why is everyone p1ssed off. Thought he was gash this year? a few below par games just like any other wideman. But in general his laid back style just grates with some fans who choose to ignore the decent things he does and then jump on his back as soon as he does something bad. I thought he had turned it round to be honest. He started passing quicker and he had a very good game against Tranmere. But once fans have made their mind up its very hard to turn them round and Chamberlain was a revelation straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 (edited) I think better should mean a better suited player in terms of temperament, experience and skill to fit in with the team after all, we are a League One team.skill? Blimey, I doubt there's many league 1 players with his skill. Mind you its applying it that matters. Edited 17 November, 2010 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Don't think Ox-C is ready to be relied upon for every game this season, already showing huge differences in form. don't agree with that. Only a lack of supply has undermined a couple of displays. I do agree with you that its a shame to lose Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteleySaint30 Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Typical of this forum, everyone moans week in week out how *hit he is and then when we ship him out it is the worst decision in the world, i give up with you lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1971 Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Good news. Adkins is clearly losing patience with underperformers and is willing to do something about it. :lol: Ha Ha that made me laugh ! so any player with a bad attitude or Adkins dont rate will get moved up a division ?? We are doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 :lol: Ha Ha that made me laugh ! so any player with a bad attitude or Adkins dont rate will get moved up a division ?? We are doomed. ?? If Adkins doesn't rate them then it's obvious that they'll not be played and get shipped... If they have a bad attitude that affects their game, then of course they'll not play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 Typical of this forum, everyone moans week in week out how *hit he is and then when we ship him out it is the worst decision in the world, i give up with you lot. I give up with posters that can't understand that those wishing he stayed are not the same people who previously posted saying how **** he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K,Billy's supersound Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 strange one to loan him out till january leaving us with 1 less option. if he or the club wish to part way's then fine do it in the transfer window i have no problem with that but we havn't helped ourselves by agreeing to this situation. (unless we have a loan coming in ourselves) my view on puncheon is that he has worked more on his tracking back and team effort this season more than in the past but like many he hasnt performed as well as he can or as consistently. let us just see how Adkins is allowed to shape and bring in players he wants in january. i have said it before but i personally dont believe this squad as it stands is good enough for top two but come febuary 1st i hope we are still in a position and with a much stronger squad to go on and achieve what every saints fan hopes. COYRS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2010 Share Posted 17 November, 2010 I give up with posters that can't understand that those wishing he stayed are not the same people who previously posted saying how **** he was. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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