Puncheon joins Millwall on loan - OS

[hypochondriac]

Come on now saint clark. No one is breaking any rules, and in many cases, the discussion about leftback is relevant to the debate.

[Saint_clark]

Come on now saint clark. No one is breaking any rules, and in many cases, the discussion about leftback is relevant to the debate.

 

Talking about the Puncheon rumour he posted, relevant. Going into depth about who he may be...?

But fair enough. Take what I said as more of a suggestion.

[up and away]

What did he say about Lambert?

Does this mean his Cortese Court Case crap is also true???

 

The Cortese court case was just a rumour he passed on from another source. Someone told me they had already heard this and the original source. I don't totally discount the idea, but I don't give a lot of verity to the origin.

 

He's got very good information from the training ground, but there is nothing to show it extends past there.

[surrey1saint]

He had the potential to be top class winger for us,but rarely showed it .....shame.

[Saint_Ash]

I personally think people should be showing leftback a hell of a lot more respect. Puncheon has been gash for ages though and to be honest if he did have a big argument maybe he is too much of a bad influence to have around.

 

Ha, why should why show someone who obviously has inside knowledge and loves to blab it, respect? Take your tongue out of his arse, I'd be more worried that inside stuff that should be kept in the dressing room is being blabbed about by leftback.

 

Now to Puncheon, who cares, obviously his nose is put out of joint by Chambo and has thrown his toys out the pram, I expect us to sign better in the window. He's NEVER done anything to make us talk about him like we do about Chambo or Lallana.

[eurosaint]

Adkins rattles on about 'team spirit' all the time so if JP was in any way disruptive I am not surprised to see him released !

Players come and players go, this is the reality of football today, so expect to see us replace him pretty soon !

This is yet another consequence of the 'ever changing manager' syndrome and if we are to move onwards and upwards, we really need to achieve stability over a longer period than has been the case in recent yeras !!

[eelpie]

On the one hand it will be good experience for Puncheon and he could return in January to be a better and key player in our promotion push.

 

Meanwhile, who covers for Chambo when he has to be rested as he surely must somewhen? He is possibly playing more than he should at his age. But I am heartened if this means that we definitely won't consider any offers for Alex in January.

[Sour Mash]

How is this bad news?? He's been gash all season, so now he's been given a chance to go out get some footy under his belt and hopefully get his confidence back.

 

We have plenty of players who could play as well as Punch has done this season, hell, even Pulis could probably have done a similar job.

 

Don't get me wrong, i quite like Punch, but lets face it, he's not the player we know he can be, so the club has done something about it, whether it be for footballing reasons or personality issues. Good on 'em I say.

 

My thoughts exactly. He's got a fair bit of talent, but really hasn't done much with it at all this season and even blew hot and cold for a fair bit of last season.

[eelpie]

A good move in january perhaps, but we have two fit clear wingers now. Holmes isn't good enough in my opinion, even if he was fit.

 

So who covers for them?

And you diss Holmes unfairly. He combined well with Connolly and changed the match when he came on recently.

[Nutwood2]

Brilliant management. If he doesn't put the effort in at Millwall, they'll soon let him know all about it. Perhaps he'll then return realising where he was well off!

[saintrich]

Martyn woolford as replacement from S****horpe someone was suggesting?

[Ewell]

Personally I have never been a big fan. The OC is a certain starter here and Chaplow or RIchardson can cover if Alex gets injured. This can either be the kick up the arse Puncheon needs or it may lead to a move elsewhere. If we can then get shot of Holmes as well and sign someone who has ability and can play wide left or wide right then I would be very happy.

[hypochondriac]

Talking about the Puncheon rumour he posted, relevant. Going into depth about who he may be...?

But fair enough. Take what I said as more of a suggestion.

 

Talking about who he may be may provide insight into why he is posting and therefore why he holds the opinions he does.

[Nexstar]

I don't know what happened to Holmes. He returned from injury and came on against Colchester and did very well and came close to scoring with his first touch. Then absolutely nothing.

 

I'd like to see him in the cup against Cheltenham for sure.

[Wes Tender]

Talking about who he may be may provide insight into why he is posting and therefore why he holds the opinions he does.

 

I'm all for his continued blathering. He's obviously somebody with a giant chip on his shoulder for some reason and appears to have some insider information which he leaks indiscriminately. It can't be good that such possibly sensitive internal information is being leaked like this, so the sooner he is apprehended and stopped, the better.

[Doctoroncall]

So Puncheon gets time away to either find the form he had last season, a break from the club or put himself in the 'shop window'. If he does leave I presume the club have a replacement in mind be it a squad player (e.g. Holmes) or a fresh face.

 

My expectation of him were high considering the hype of him joining and also his early impact. He does have talent and I hope he can fulfill it but it seems he's one of those guys who at the moment will not settle down for what ever reason. I'd be happy with a player who works hard, can deliver a good cross and plays for the shirt and the team, we have AL and AOC who can provide the extra skill to thrill the crowd.

[JackFrost]

Not too concerned by this myself

[RedArmy]

Not a fan of the timing.

 

AOC has now got to play in 2 big games in 4 days? What if he takes a knock in the P'boro game? We're fecked on Tuesday night.

[polegategavin]

Martyn woolford as replacement from S****horpe someone was suggesting?

 

Maybe Josh Wright or Michael O'Connor.

[iansums]

Not a fan of the timing.

 

AOC has now got to play in 2 big games in 4 days? What if he takes a knock in the P'boro game? We're fecked on Tuesday night.

 

No, Lallana can go right wing, Dickson or Holmes left.

 

Sorry, but much as I feel sorry for Puncheon as I hate to see any player get booed, he simply has not been performing this season. Even last season I felt he was a 'luxury' player, clearly talented but so often failing to deliver.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Loaning out an underperforming non scoring attacking midfielder who currently can't get in our first choice mid table third division midfield hardly represents a crisis.

[torsaint]

Bale played nearly every gamefor Saints as far as I remember at 16 or 17 so why not Oxlade-C?

[NickG]

Bale's form really dropped

[SuperSAINT]

Never a big fan of transfer moves that make us weaker.

 

He always was (and still is) one of the best wide men in league 1. Gutted to have lost him. Leaves a big gap in the squad too, as he can cover both flanks, and central midfield. I’m hoping we’ve got someone lined up to replace him.

[Whitey Grandad]

Not really a problem until we get injuries or suspensions. Then what?

[Lallana's Left Peg]

It's clear Puncheon has quality but it is also clear he doesn't apply himself enough. No-one doubts our quality in this league, but in the back of my mind ahead of every game I wonder what sort of application we'll see from the players. I'd feel happier seeing Chaplow in the team ahead of Puncheon even though I know Chaplow doesn't have as much quality.

 

I have no issues with this move.

[saint1977]

Clearly the timing is a surprise and puts more pressure on AOC than any of us would like but I felt JP was on his way in January. He simply hasn't come close to reproducing the type of scintillating performances that destroyed Leeds and Huddersfield last season and has looked very short of confidence this term. He also seems to have lost a good couple of yards of pace which is astonishing for a player the right side of 25. I know he was injured at the start of the season but should have got his mojo back by now. Someone isn't right, whether it's JP's attitude or our first team coaching set up. Lee Holmes is going to need to play through a bit of pain if need be.

 

The Lambert allegation that Left Back made is a more pressing issue for me. It could explain why Lambert has looked so disinterested but then he is still one of the highest, maybe the highest paid player at this level. Don't forget that Lambert was very laboured in some games last season and still scored goals so hopefully a desperately weak Peterborough backline will get Rickie firing on Saturday. If we can't score 3 or 4 on Saturday, God help us but Pboro will be equally our biggest test at the back so hopefully our back four play a million times better than the shambles at Carlisle. Playing Martin rather than Jaidi would help.

[Big Bad Bob]

Well not suprised at this but the boo boys have got their way yet again

well done to those. I take it spiderman and Lambert are the next ones to leave

oh and don't be suprised if NC sells up and leaves.

 

What a sad day for the genuine saints fans

 

Melodrama reigns supreme, you don't write for any of the Soaps do you by any chance??

[Big Bad Bob]

The Lambert allegation that Left Back made is a more pressing issue for me. It could explain why Lambert has looked so disinterested but then he is still one of the highest, maybe the highest paid player at this level..

 

Lets see, get offered a contract extension but no pay rise, means the club want to keep me but not THAT much!!

 

So I'm going to sulk and stamp my feet and prove them right!!

 

Man up and grow a pair! In the 'current economic climate' you're lucky to a) have a job and b) earn what you earn..

[Big Bad Bob]

Not really a problem until we get injuries or suspensions. Then what?

 

An equally valid question before Puncheon went!! What are we supposed to do have a squad of 50 players just in case??

[Clifford Nelson]

It only confirmed that his history told a story: A player who finds it difficult to knuckle down and settle and who struggles to take the next step up not just to show promise, but to shine. In the beginning it was fun to see the dribbles, then it started to grate a bit. We have already done better with AOX and if it gives an outing or two for Holmes we might find out if he has anything to offer.

 

Any new manager will make his own assessments about what changes he will need, and will also need to make a statement to the players. This is the latter. Now everybody will be aware that if their attitude isn't right and they don't follow instructions, improve and play for the team, there is an exit door. RL should be warned. On his current performances he isn't exactly putting himself in the shop window, and I don't think it is going anywhere towards a longer or better deal.

 

I don't think january will show us wholesale changes, but another couple of expressions of intent from both NA and NC ought to be on the cards.

[VectisSaint]

Would suggest without any inside knowledge that JP has become something of a disruptive influence, so shipping him out either temporarily or permanently makes a lot of sense. Teams cannot afford to have players in the squad who are not pulling in the same direction as everyone else. JP is not an Adkins player (same as everyone else), perhaps JP doesn't get on with him or vice versa. Who knows (maybe leftback). Won't shed any tears though.

[Fan The Flames]

Basically we had last year to go up, as all these players that were sold the story of an up and coming team with cash to splash are now getting a bit restless. The only thing that will stop the the restless legs of todays players is cash and we have been told that NC isn't go to roll over and let his tummy be tickled, so expect those less committed will want to leave and todays players just a force an exit by playing s*it.

 

Its a shame the JP has gone as he is a good player and it seems he wont be the last, so we will have to get used to it. Lets hope NA has targeted decent replacements.

 

In my opinion any player that plays crap to get a move is a c#nt and we play into their hands by booing as it gives them an excuse to throw their toys. Lets get in decent professionals.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Disappointed he's gone TBO, as he does have tremendous potential but shows it all to infrequently. If he has also got an attitude problem then he was never going to fit in with NA's whole team mantra. I get the sense that, while NA sees the team being key to everything, AP may have been willing to massage egos a little more to get performances out of players.

 

Think we really need some cover before the loan deadline, to tide us over until January, when we can make more permanent signings. AOC is very young, Holmes is injury prone, Dickson is a full-back really and Lallana does pick up the odd knock now and again.

[derry]

Aged 25, Wimbledon, Barnet, Plymouth, MK Dons, Saints and now Millwall. The perrennial tale of the journeyman footballer who has a talent but whose personality and fragility, together with the inability to take criticism and an ego that demands centre stage or the toys get chucked out of the pram. I don't see him as a star player but a cameo player with brief peaks but lots of falling out and changing clubs. In need of a Brian Clough father figure but then again probably wouldn't appreciate it.

[Wade Garrett]

Shame, good enough player for the squad. If Lambert is playing crap because he's got the hump, would the people who think getting rid of JP because of his disruptive influence think the same about Lambert?

[derry]

Shame, good enough player for the squad. If Lambert is playing crap because he's got the hump, would the people who think getting rid of JP because of his disruptive influence think the same about Lambert?

 

Yes, like every footballer he is only as valuable as his current form and if that isn't good and is tied in with a significant undertone of dissatisfaction, it is a cancer that needs to be excised PDQ.

[Window Cleaner]

Shame, good enough player for the squad. If Lambert is playing crap because he's got the hump, would the people who think getting rid of JP because of his disruptive influence think the same about Lambert?

 

 

I really doubt that Lambert is playing badly because he's got the hump, he's playing badly because he's not fit enough,whether that is because he's upset over something or other I couldn't say.I did read somewhere that Middlesborough made an enquiry about him that was turned down flat...could be all BS though.

[madruss]

Aged 25, Wimbledon, Barnet, Plymouth, MK Dons, Saints and now Millwall. The perrennial tale of the journeyman footballer who has a talent but whose personality and fragility, together with the inability to take criticism and an ego that demands centre stage or the toys get chucked out of the pram. I don't see him as a star player but a cameo player with brief peaks but lots of falling out and changing clubs. In need of a Brian Clough father figure but then again probably wouldn't appreciate it.

 

Spot on assessment. Shame though, thought Saints might be the club to stabilise him. Wasted talent.

[scotty]

Because I've paid my fiver and can say what I like as long as I stay within the rules when it comes to insult etc.

 

You're out of order pulling my post. I don't appreciate your pious attitude. Refund my fiver and delist me as a member.

 

You odious turd. Just refund my fiver and that'll be it.

 

 

Shame, good enough player for the squad. If Lambert is playing crap because he's got the hump, would the people who think getting rid of JP because of his disruptive influence think the same about Lambert?

 

"saintsweb admin saves a fiver" shocker!! Steve Grant claims "every little helps".....

[Wade Garrett]

"saintsweb admin saves a fiver" shocker!! Steve Grant claims "every little helps".....

 

Tight bastards. They only have to pay me and I'll be off.

[rolosfc]

Hopefully it may help him regain his confidence and form. I would not want to get rid of him on a permenant basis unless we have another decent wide player coming in. At the moment we have two decent wide players, one of whom is 17 and not the finished article yet.

 

But, if he wants out then fair enough, need to sign in Jan then to replace him.

[Whitey Grandad]

An equally valid question before Puncheon went!! What are we supposed to do have a squad of 50 players just in case??

 

No, we tried that and it got us nowhere. I thought that he was worth his place in the team this season and when Lallana was out I thought that our squad looked a bit thin. OC has started well but I think it would be asking a lot to expect him to continue in this from through the winter months. I live in hope.

[hypochondriac]

I'm all for his continued blathering. He's obviously somebody with a giant chip on his shoulder for some reason and appears to have some insider information which he leaks indiscriminately. It can't be good that such possibly sensitive internal information is being leaked like this, so the sooner he is apprehended and stopped, the better.

 

Meh. I just like listening to insider info. It makes this place interesting again.

[Chez]

Puncheon wasn't nearly as bad as some like to think. At this level he was good and suggestions that we'll replace with someone better lead to me to the obvious question, who is this better player? I'm concerned that we are now very reliant on Chamberlain. He's is fantastic, but I hope he stays fit because Holmes, Dickson and Lallana are all left sided players.

[channonball]

What was Leftback's Lambert allegation? I'm struggling to find it.

 

Thanks

[alpine_saint]

Puncheon wasn't nearly as bad as some like to think. At this level he was good and suggestions that we'll replace with someone better lead to me to the obvious question, who is this better player? I'm concerned that we are now very reliant on Chamberlain. He's is fantastic, but I hope he stays fit because Holmes, Dickson and Lallana are all left sided players.

 

We were already reliant on Alex before today's announcement. Puncheon aint delivering.

[Chez]

What was Leftback's Lambert allegation? I'm struggling to find it.

 

Thanks

 

he suggests Lambert is in a huff with Cortese bacause he was offered a contract extension that didn't include a pay rise.

[st alex]

If he continues his form this season over at Millwall, then I doubt whether they'd sign him permanently. But it does leave us a shirt for options on the right, no problems with the left wing. Puncheon's form had gradually been getting better, but no great loss - althought a lot now rides on Chamberlain to stay fit and perform.

[sandwichsaint]

Shame, good enough player for the squad. If Lambert is playing crap because he's got the hump, would the people who think getting rid of JP because of his disruptive influence think the same about Lambert?

 

Yes. If NA has been told to sell before he can buy then he will obviously be considering the position of one of his most expensive and least productive players.