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Shroppie

Shroppie

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Sorry to see Puncheon go and I don't expect him back. Can only think there's a clash between him and NA because otherwise he's too good to let go. Just hope that NA has soemone lined up for Jan to replace him.

 

Now watch RL .....

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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What did he say about Lambert?

Does this mean his Cortese Court Case crap is also true???

 

TBH we don't know it isn't (although he didn't seem too sure himself about that one.) At the very least we should stay open minded rather than immediately dismissing something because it is something we don't want to hear.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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Terrible, absolutely terrible. I am pretty f*cked off this week, i just can't see AOC turning in the same performances week after week if he starts, he looks much more effective coming on from the bench for me. (baring the other night when he scored twice admitidly).

 

I really don't get how so many people think Puncheon was crap, he gives so much balance to the team, works hard, tracks back, puts in a good tackle and has outstanding ball control. He often to me looks the only one that can make things happen, he certainly did when Lallana was out of the team. Unfortunately his runs and passes were not being picked up by his team mates and this made him look bad, but things don't happen unless you try !!

 

If it is an internal matter however and there has been a bust up then i can accept that it is best if he is away, if not, and he is off i certainly hope we have a replacement lined up.

 

What are your thoughts on leftback?

trousers

trousers

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You reckon he's blown his cover?

 

No idea to be honest. Just dusting off my Columbo-esque 2+2=5 detective skills from 'the takeover years'...

 

I think it fits though...

corky morris

corky morris

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If you think about it.....he does not really stay anywhere very long does he? What does that say about him? Very interesting move IMHO. NA must have an alternative in mind..........(fingers crossed)

OR - He thinks Butterfield can play there???

Wes Tender

Wes Tender

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So we let go a player on one month's loan to a club in a higher division. The player in question is an enigma. He blows hot and cold. He has the skill, but he only shows it in patches. It could be that his attitude isn't right and he has been let go to see whether he comes back with an improved outlook, or fitter because he is playing more games than he would here.

 

Compare him to Lallana. Their footballing skill levels might be similar, but one is a real asset that the club wish to keep, even in preference to selling him to a Premiership outfit for a large sum of money. Several top flight clubs have expressed interest in buying him. He is a one club player since we signed him as a youngster and he is developing nicely. Puncheon on the other hand has been let go by other clubs already, none really busting a gut to keep him. There are no Premiership clubs fighting to sign him. Perhaps that speaks volumes about him. If he does really well at Millwall and proves himself, then we can get him back, but if he doesn't take this opportunity to shine, then it will be his own fault if he is gaining a reputation as a skilled player wasting his talents, a gifted misfit.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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So we let go a player on one month's loan to a club in a higher division. The player in question is an enigma. He blows hot and cold. He has the skill, but he only shows it in patches. It could be that his attitude isn't right and he has been let go to see whether he comes back with an improved outlook, or fitter because he is playing more games than he would here.

 

Compare him to Lallana. Their footballing skill levels might be similar, but one is a real asset that the club wish to keep, even in preference to selling him to a Premiership outfit for a large sum of money. Several top flight clubs have expressed interest in buying him. He is a one club player since we signed him as a youngster and he is developing nicely. Puncheon on the other hand has been let go by other clubs already, none really busting a gut to keep him. There are no Premiership clubs fighting to sign him. Perhaps that speaks volumes about him. If he does really well at Millwall and proves himself, then we can get him back, but if he doesn't take this opportunity to shine, then it will be his own fault if he is gaining a reputation as a skilled player wasting his talents, a gifted misfit.

 

I'm more inclined to believe leftback's version that he has had an argument with management.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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Seems like a rational explanations to why Lambert appears to be in a 'different place' mentally this year.

 

Seems like Lambert was 'left back' by Cortese then...?

 

What are you suggesting trousers ;)

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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From what leftback has being saying on different posts I think the team from last season is well on it's way to being dismantled seems like AP was the glue holding them together after all. Whole scale changes in january prehaps?

ottery st mary

ottery st mary

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Funny old game.....

 

Good luck Punch great player..class act but losing his way for whatever reason.

 

We must look forward and hope the club knows what it is doing.....Fingers crossed there then

 

Come on Saints......

 

Downing and Johnson will do as replacements..

saint-ross

saint-ross

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How is this bad news?? He's been gash all season, so now he's been given a chance to go out get some footy under his belt and hopefully get his confidence back.

 

We have plenty of players who could play as well as Punch has done this season, hell, even Pulis could probably have done a similar job.

 

Don't get me wrong, i quite like Punch, but lets face it, he's not the player we know he can be, so the club has done something about it, whether it be for footballing reasons or personality issues. Good on 'em I say.

sandwichsaint

sandwichsaint

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What a ****ing joke. Ambition my arse Saints.

 

Not quite the end of the world tho is it?

 

Decent player but one who has never settled or achieved very much anywhere he's been - if he had the right attitude/temperment he is prob good enough to have been playing in the next lge up (as we will no doubt see in the coming weeks!).

 

It's fairly clear reading between the lines that 'something' isn't right behind the scenes (and hasn't been right since Wembley) and if this is the first of NA's steps to clean the place up and re-calibrate our sights for the middle third of the season then I am right behind him, I don't think 'ambition' really comes into it - we all want to go up this year and NA is the man who has to plot the best way of doing that (wait for the solids to hit the ventilation when he moves RL on, for the same sort of reasons!)

Viking Warrior

Viking Warrior

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Well not suprised at this but the boo boys have got their way yet again

well done to those. I take it spiderman and Lambert are the next ones to leave

oh and don't be suprised if NC sells up and leaves.

 

What a sad day for the genuine saints fans

thesaint sfc

thesaint sfc

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Can't blame him what-so-ever. After he started getting booed it was clear he's a player who does get affected by that sort of thing. Shame as he had moments where he was absolutely stunning and the most creative player at the club - just lacked consistency. Hope this move pays off for him.

Wes Tender

Wes Tender

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I'm more inclined to believe leftback's version that he has had an argument with management.

 

"It could be that his attitude isn't right and he has been let go to see whether he comes back with an improved outlook......."

 

Seems to cover it IMO.

Weston Saint

Weston Saint

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After a positive start with Saints Puncheon never looked the same after. He had a bit of pace and skill BUT his thinking was too slow. He got past players but whilst he thought about what to do next the defenders blocked him time and time again.

 

There was clearly a problem with his attitude and general work rate. One poster who appears to have an inside track says there was a problem with him and our Assistant Manager. From that moment his time with Saints was limited.

 

Could be, of course, that it gives him an opportunity of reigniting his form with a fresh challenge and a time to heal wounds but I suspect he no longer features in our plans.

 

Chamberlain has been far far more successful. Lets look forward. Puncheon was ineffective most games. His skill flattered to deceive.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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Well not suprised at this but the boo boys have got their way yet again

well done to those. I take it spiderman and Lambert are the next ones to leave

oh and don't be suprised if NC sells up and leaves.

 

What a sad day for the genuine saints fans

 

Oh do give it a rest.

georgeweahscousin

georgeweahscousin

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After a positive start with Saints Puncheon never looked the same after. He had a bit of pace and skill BUT his thinking was too slow. He got past players but whilst he thought about what to do next the defenders blocked him time and time again.

 

There was clearly a problem with his attitude and general work rate. One poster who appears to have an inside track says there was a problem with him and our Assistant Manager. From that moment his time with Saints was limited.

 

Could be, of course, that it gives him an opportunity of reigniting his form with a fresh challenge and a time to heal wounds but I suspect he no longer features in our plans.

 

Chamberlain has been far far more successful. Lets look forward. Puncheon was ineffective most games. His skill flattered to deceive.

 

My thoughts exactly.

sidthesquid

sidthesquid

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The rumour I had heard was that Puncheon had fallen out with Crosby - NA's second-in-command. Certainly he is a very talented player, but clearly has mental 'issues'. I think one of the things NA is learning is that Pardew assembled a team that would do very well in the Championship, but forgot we still had to get out of League One. Morgan is a classic example - a gifted and classy player by any standard, but not really that keen to get down and dirty in the trench-warfare that is away games in Carlisle and Huddersfield. I have said for a while that what is lacking in our squad is mental toughness, not footballing ability, and from what we have seen and heard of Puncheon he fits that tag completely, and maybe NA has realised that, too. As gifted a player as I have seen here with a football, but Mr Woo didn't cut it as a footballer, no matter what tricks he had.

Mowgli

Mowgli

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To be fair, if a 17 year old kid turned up at my work and did my job twice as good I would probably want to leave.

 

TRherein lies the problem with a lot of fans. They assume that because one replaces the other they are doing the same job....

niceandfriendly

niceandfriendly

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Well not suprised at this but the boo boys have got their way yet again

well done to those. I take it spiderman and Lambert are the next ones to leave

oh and don't be suprised if NC sells up and leaves.

 

What a sad day for the genuine saints fans

 

Bit of an over reaction.

 

I've never booed Puncheon, (I think he's a good player when his mind is switched on) and I definitely consider myself to be a genuine Saints fan... but it's not a "sad day".

Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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Now I know why Guly went to right midfield against Shrewsbury.

I am not going to join the wrist slitters on here...but I do find this an odd one.

Seeing as he has been loaned out and not stayed anywhere for long it does make you wonder if its

a personality clash.

Puncheon has ability but he has not shown much of that this season.

forever a red and white

forever a red and white

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not surprised but disapointed it didn't work out.

 

I honestly prefer Lee Holmes. He was one of our better players in the season we went down despite playing only a handful of games. He has an excellent work rate and a fantastic cross and will suply great service to Lambert.

 

People would do well to remeber that Holmes has performed in the Championship and competenly, something that Puncheon and of course AOC haven't yet.

 

Give the bloke a chance, if fit, he deserves it.

SO16_Saint

SO16_Saint

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the same people who were b!tching, moaning and completely slating Punch are now saying that its a complete f*cking joke that he's been allowed to go on loan.

 

fickle fans? Never.

Turkish

Turkish

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not surprised but disapointed it didn't work out.

 

I honestly prefer Lee Holmes. He was one of our better players in the season we went down despite playing only a handful of games. He has an excellent work rate and a fantastic cross and will suply great service to Lambert.

 

People would do well to remeber that Holmes has performed in the Championship and competenly, something that Puncheon and of course AOC haven't yet.

 

Give the bloke a chance, if fit, he deserves it.

 

He is fit and it cant be just conicidence that Pardew and Adkins haven't given him a run. IMO he deserves a chance, but their must be a reason why he is not being picked.

SO16_Saint

SO16_Saint

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He is fit and it cant be just conicidence that Pardew and Adkins haven't given him a run. IMO he deserves a chance, but their must be a reason why he is not being picked.

 

perhaps he's just not cut out for League 1 football. It's a different ball game, there's generally no time on the ball to think and you're always under pressure whereas the Champs is a bit more cultured, which may suit his game better.

 

or he is genuinely sh!t.

 

time will tell

forever a red and white

forever a red and white

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He is fit and it cant be just conicidence that Pardew and Adkins haven't given him a run. IMO he deserves a chance, but their must be a reason why he is not being picked.

 

You would think, although I do remeber some quote from Pardew about Lee being ready to play and being patient bringing him back. He did then barely played again. Maybe he didn;t impress maybe it was injury.

ottery st mary

ottery st mary

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HOLMES.......Talented lad who has never FULLY recovered from his leg injury at Derby...

 

Aquired on a wing and a prayer with fingers crossed..

 

Never able to get up to full fitness/match fitness..

 

When he gets anywhere near team selection he is unable to play for a big part of the game

due to fitness and injury..

 

Has a great attitude and IF a miracle was to ever happen and he got REALLY fit he would be an asset at this level.

 

His total lack of speed does not allow him to be a regular at any level.

 

I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED WHY HE HAS NOT GONE OUT ON LOAN TO GET MATCH FIT AND TEST HIS LEG.

 

Will be off when his contract runs out....

 

In his condition no where near as valuable to the side as Puncheon would be.

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MarkSFC

MarkSFC

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Good ridance I say! Flattered to deceive in virtually every game, overall preety ineffective when it came down to the nitty gritty. Did like his ability on the ball and his sense of urgency but failed miserably in getting the result, i.e. the killer pass or goal. How often did he sky it over the bar from only a few yards out?!!!

 

I hope he does well but I like that NA has made a decision on him and is doing something about it. Strong positive management.

Teddy Nutkins

Teddy Nutkins

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Looked a very good player when he first came to the club and i can remember saying how well Pardew did to get someone of that ability to play for us in League One.

He has not, IMHO,reached anywhere near those standards since.No idea why, but he has had a few different clubs and has not stayed anywhere for too long.Shame but there you go.

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