Who would you off load in Jan ?

[Dr Who?]

I read some of the comments on here and it makes me cry.. with laughter!

 

Why not get shot of the lot and start again sod it!! ha ha ha ha ha

[St_Tel49]

 

Good thing you aren't the manger then.

 

A good job he isn't the manager either

[St_Tel49]

What a load of ******** that is. He is the best central midfielder we have. He should play just in front of the back 4. He does not just pass sideways. The best passes we see from Saints nearly always orginate from him. NA was a muppet to play him as the front of the 3 on Saturday. Did you see Chaplow & Hammond on Saturday? Hammond was terrible. Did you see his tackle for the corner that lead to the 3rd goal? Chaplow missed the goal 1 on 1 & often won the ball really well only to pass between 2 players.

I would drop Hammond on Saturday.

I like Chaplow for his hard work and terrier like attitude but his passing ability does not come within a country mile of Spiderman's.

[Window Cleaner]

I like Chaplow for his hard work and terrier like attitude but his passing ability does not come within a country mile of Spiderman's.

 

Neither does his ball control or his creation of time for other players to move into space (which some of them aren't too great at just now) but Chaplow is NA's binky so whatever happens he'll be on the team sheet, just like Lambert. Dropping MS for Chaplow when he came back from the 2 game U21s session last month was not wise.It's obviously p*ssed Morgan off and I don't doubt that all he wants now is to leave.

[captainchris]

Spiderman

Puncheon

Wotton

[Viking Warrior]

for those that want lambert puncheon spiderman off the books Just who do you think will be their replacements

[benjii]

Hammond is a joke of a captain, doesn't lead by word or by deed. He has been almost ever present, and almost always average or worse.

 

What utter rubbish.

[benjii]

for those that want lambert puncheon spiderman off the books Just who do you think will be their replacements

 

Jancker, de Pedro, Matty Holland.

[dune]

Guly and Dickson are pretty crap imo.

[Badger]

Guly and Dickson are pretty crap imo.

 

Dickson seemed promising against Plymouth, he just hasn't had a chance in the team to prove himself.

[Guan 2.0]

What utter rubbish.

 

Different views from different fans and all that. Apart from his (deflected) first goal of the season, if you can come up with examples of Hammond playing out of his skin, or Rallying the team when they have been under-performing under AP or NA, I'll happily concede. I was still keeping an open mind until the shrews match, when out of a **** poor bunch, he and Guly made the least impact. For me, his form only gone backwards since he's been here.

[Saints foreva]

Dickson seemed promising against Plymouth, he just hasn't had a chance in the team to prove himself.

 

I suspect he might now though, with Harding's OG at the weekend.

[John Smith]

Different views from different fans and all that. Apart from his (deflected) first goal of the season, if you can come up with examples of Hammond playing out of his skin, or Rallying the team when they have been under-performing under AP or NA, I'll happily concede. I was still keeping an open mind until the shrews match, when out of a **** poor bunch, he and Guly made the least impact. For me, his form only gone backwards since he's been here.

 

I just get fed up with saying it andf pointing it out. Also, there are countless games last season where Hammond was the best player by a country mile, remember Huddersfield at home?

 

Anyway, can't be bothered to keep banging this drum, people on here want to slate our players because it's easy and it makes them look interesting. Call it your opinion if you like, but when the captain plays well week in week out and even in his quiet games, controls the centre mid, to me this is great. Alos, we are in League 1 FFS, if Hammond was Premiership quality, he'd be premiership consistancy, NONE of our players are Prem quality, not yet anyway.

 

Anyhow, read, digest, concede:

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25474-Hammond-amp-Jaidi&p=863332#post863332

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25386-Hammond&p=868502#post868502

[John B]

I just get fed up with saying it andf pointing it out. Also, there are countless games last season where Hammond was the best player by a country mile, remember Huddersfield at home?

 

Anyway, can't be bothered to keep banging this drum, people on here want to slate our players because it's easy and it makes them look interesting. Call it your opinion if you like, but when the captain plays well week in week out and even in his quiet games, controls the centre mid, to me this is great. Alos, we are in League 1 FFS, if Hammond was Premiership quality, he'd be premiership consistancy, NONE of our players are Prem quality, not yet anyway.

 

Anyhow, read, digest, concede:

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25474-Hammond-amp-Jaidi&p=863332#post863332

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25386-Hammond&p=868502#post868502

 

Hammond is not a Championship Player but more than adequate in League 1

 

Suggest he may leave in the summer

[K,Billy's supersound]

players being adequate in League 1 are not the type that we should be hoping to get us promoted. we need to add atleast 3 really good players to come in and push us on so we finish top two. i fear the team as it stands is not good enough to gain promotion and nigel know's this. his continued comment's of 'let us be within reach come january then after going on to win the race' i fully expect money to be spent and not to sure we should offload to many only players who have offered nothing to the campaign thus far pulis,forecast,holmes,wotton or anyone who wishes to leave should be allowed to do so.

[Turkish]

I just get fed up with saying it andf pointing it out. Also, there are countless games last season where Hammond was the best player by a country mile, remember Huddersfield at home?

 

Anyway, can't be bothered to keep banging this drum, people on here want to slate our players because it's easy and it makes them look interesting. Call it your opinion if you like, but when the captain plays well week in week out and even in his quiet games, controls the centre mid, to me this is great. Alos, we are in League 1 FFS, if Hammond was Premiership quality, he'd be premiership consistancy, NONE of our players are Prem quality, not yet anyway.

 

Anyhow, read, digest, concede:

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25474-Hammond-amp-Jaidi&p=863332#post863332

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25386-Hammond&p=868502#post868502

 

I agree with you John, i really dont see why Hammond gets so much stick, a lot of people seem to think the only good players are ones that beat all 11 opposition defenders with a mazey run or bang in goals from 30 yards. None of our players have reached the levels of last season but he seems to be slated everytime he is less than very good.

[Turkish]

i'd get rid of Kevin Davis, doesn't command his area well enough, Richardson, injury prone, Butterfield, too old, Jaidi ditto, Martin, too young too inexpereienced, Fonte, doesn't want to be here, Seabourne, just crap, Harding, mistake prone, Dickson, worse than Harding, Puncheon, rubbish, Chamberlain, too young, Chaplow, too bald, Schniderlin, too slow, Hammond, joke of a caption, lallana, too slow, misses to many chances, Lambert, too slow, crap in the air, Barnard, too blond and going to go to nick anyway, Conolly too old and injury prone, Gully, not as good as Romario in his prime.

[S-Clarke]

Holmes - he needs to get his career back up and running, it's not going to happen here.

 

Mills - I have a feeling that Donny will pick him up in january on a perm. He's done well there

 

Wotton - will probably leave on a free or stay on loan for the season up until his contract expires

 

I don't agree with people saying that we need to get rid of Morgan and Lambert, that's just silly. Be patient with Lambert, you don't just lose talent. He will come good I'm totally convinced by it, he's put himself in a difficult position though as it was always going to be hard for him to replicate or improve from last year - he'll still get 25+ goals though IMO.

[Guan 2.0]

I just get fed up with saying it andf pointing it out. Also, there are countless games last season where Hammond was the best player by a country mile, remember Huddersfield at home?

 

Anyway, can't be bothered to keep banging this drum, people on here want to slate our players because it's easy and it makes them look interesting. Call it your opinion if you like, but when the captain plays well week in week out and even in his quiet games, controls the centre mid, to me this is great. Alos, we are in League 1 FFS, if Hammond was Premiership quality, he'd be premiership consistancy, NONE of our players are Prem quality, not yet anyway.

Anyhow, read, digest, concede:

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25474-Hammond-amp-Jaidi&p=863332#post863332

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25386-Hammond&p=868502#post868502

 

No offence, but those links lead to a one thread that you have started about how great Hammond is, a thread were roughly 50% of the peeps say that Hammond is either out of form or not playing to the standards of last season (I happen to agree, hence why I said he's gone backwards). And one more where it was specifically stated how poor he has been This Season. Whilst neither are 'proof' in the debate, it is proof that both you and I are not alone in thinking these things (called opinions), even if we differ. I think you'll find in football (and life) that people will see things Differently.

 

I've been to several matches this season (and yes, heard a few on the radio), and Hammond has not pulled his weight for me. He frequently misplaces simple passes, is less than anonymous in urging others, and for a 'water carrier', often plays others into trouble, whilst not making himself available when it seems the smart/easy thing to do. And spectacularly failed to get near the form of the last year. So I've written my opinion on here, not to sound interesting, but in replay to a thread about who we should sell, and why. I never said anything about premiership, and FWIW, I always saw the value in Telfer and Oakley (even when others labelled him 'the mistress').

 

The trouble is I do Remember Huddersfield at home, and how far apart from that, in terms of form and time it is from the present. Also FWIW, I do not believe you are his Bum Chum as others have insinuated.

[sandwichsaint]

Lambert will do well to get 25+ this season; on current form he will get 10-12 tops. Genuine question, has a side ever got auto promotion and their leading scorer has got 10-ish goals? I don't know the answer but I would suggest that every team in the auto slots for the last 'x' seasons has fielded a 20-a-season man?

 

Do we have such a player? I'm sure NA has ideas where he could get one from (STFC or P'boro) or manufacture one himself, tho that could take time that he hasn't really got....

 

 

MS, the real deal or just a fancy foreign dan? He showed some real form and consistency in the second half of last season but it's all gone a bit PeteTong (again) this year. One goal in two years? He is the same age as BALE and WALCOTT FFS (all b 1989).... those two are both ripping up the Champions Lge while he is still struggling at Notts County and Carlisle... Premier League? Ur 'aving a larf!

So he's disaffected/disillusioned/waiting to move, or perhaps he's just 'too good for this lge' ... why keep a player who doesn't want to be here, or isn't much use to us?

 

Cashback for the pair of them, neither have shown NA enough and I'm sure he has plenty of targets he could get here with a cool 2m burning a hole in the back pocket of his Farrah's. The target has to be get out of this league, this season (no promo = no Adam, no Fonte, no NA, no chance next year either, ...). If we are to get top-two this season then we simply 'must' sign a proven goal scorer and a centre-mid who is better than the three we already have .... I don't think that NC will want to spend big in Jan (assuming that he's got the money anyway?), once bitten, twice shy and all that.... therefore NA has to wheel and deal to improve the squad.... only a limited number of his players have any real value at this level .... it would be commercial and footballing suicide to sell Lallana ... who else does that leave?

 

We could of course get rid of Gobern, Pulis, Forecast, Wotton, but that wouldn't really finance the mini-rebuild we are all looking for.

 

 

Of course he doesn't 'have' to do anything, we have one of the strongest squads in the league, we are on a decent run, albeit not playing particularly well, two good results this week and a bit of fine tuning and we would be well on our way... who'd be a manager eh?

 

And one that had to answer to NC every Monday morning!

 

If it was my arse on the line I would be searching my contacts for a proven in-form striker and a next-level CM now!

[ottery st mary]

i'd get rid of Kevin Davis, doesn't command his area well enough, Richardson, injury prone, Butterfield, too old, Jaidi ditto, Martin, too young too inexpereienced, Fonte, doesn't want to be here, Seabourne, just crap, Harding, mistake prone, Dickson, worse than Harding, Puncheon, rubbish, Chamberlain, too young, Chaplow, too bald, Schniderlin, too slow, Hammond, joke of a caption, lallana, too slow, misses to many chances, Lambert, too slow, crap in the air, Barnard, too blond and going to go to nick anyway, Conolly too old and injury prone, Gully, not as good as Romario in his prime.

 

Generally very accurate....

 

NC ..having read this very good description has turned the five year plan into a ten year hope and pray...

 

Basically the point is that we keep the players and get rid of the fans..

[John Smith]

No offence, but those links lead to a one thread that you have started about how great Hammond is, a thread were roughly 50% of the peeps say that Hammond is either out of form or not playing to the standards of last season (I happen to agree, hence why I said he's gone backwards). And one more where it was specifically stated how poor he has been This Season. Whilst neither are 'proof' in the debate, it is proof that both you and I are not alone in thinking these things (called opinions), even if we differ. I think you'll find in football (and life) that people will see things Differently.

 

I've been to several matches this season (and yes, heard a few on the radio), and Hammond has not pulled his weight for me. He frequently misplaces simple passes, is less than anonymous in urging others, and for a 'water carrier', often plays others into trouble, whilst not making himself available when it seems the smart/easy thing to do. And spectacularly failed to get near the form of the last year. So I've written my opinion on here, not to sound interesting, but in replay to a thread about who we should sell, and why. I never said anything about premiership, and FWIW, I always saw the value in Telfer and Oakley (even when others labelled him 'the mistress').

 

The trouble is I do Remember Huddersfield at home, and how far apart from that, in terms of form and time it is from the present. Also FWIW, I do not believe you are his Bum Chum as others have insinuated.

 

No Offence? Err, I didn;t start these threads, I argued agaist the OP and then backed up my arguement with 'actual' games where he played well, both commented on by 'our' supporters at the game and on the radio commentary. 50% of the people don;t argue against it, most are in agreement with me, and that is because it is a handful of people, including yourself, that want to bash our players everytime we lose.

 

You've been to several matches and yet you think Hammond 'frequently' misplaces passes, now I know you;re on drugs mate. Yes, he has given the ball away, but, playing Guly in the hole has allowed Hammond to control the Centre Mid and also gives Kelvin the opportunity to bowl the ball out to the wide Centre Backs. He is always available for the ball and covers the attacking midfielders. In some games this season, he has been immense. I think you forget which league we're in. Hammond is a very good Centre Mid at this level, and to think we might get prem quality means you're one of those that think throwing money at the situation is the be all and end all. We have Hammond, he is our captain, this is fact, not opinion. He needs to be supported, he may have an off game now and again, BUT, overall his season will be good, just think he should score more. But then if he did, he'd be in the Championship, not League 1.

 

If you saw the value in Telfer, then at league 1, you have to concede, Hammond is by far the better. i never saw telfer make a defense splitting mode or turn the defence as Hammond does. Hammond will play well next game and the next, then he'll have an off game, blimey, wish the rest of our team were as consistent, isn;t this why Puncheon's out on loan? Isn;t this why we're bemoaning lambert? Guly has only just been slotted in. Who's the permanent Right back? Butterfield or Richardson? How many times do people put Harding down? Should Dickson play there? What about centre Back, Jaidi, Seabourne or Martin to partner Fonte? And the biggest issue, Morgan or Chaplow.

 

Personally, singling out hammond from all of the other decisions to make, you are barking up the wrong tree mate. Adkins knows hammond is a decent midfielder, who plays along side Hammond is the key question he'll be asking himself. But hey, maybe Nige should give you a call, I'm sure he values your opinion on one of our best players this season. And without Hammond, morgan off form and let's say Chaplo0w goes back in january, you;re suggesting we get rid of Hammond? OK, without Hammond, Morgan or Chaplow, who's your centre pairing? You must have a replacement, as you;re so sure Hammond should go.

 

7 games is a few, but I suggest you watch Hammond a bit more closely, he will surprise you. A very good player at this level, as is Harding. People should remember where we are before mouth gets into action. Suggestions for 2 centre mids that will tear this league apart and cost no more money than hammond please, after you...

[Guan 2.0]

No Offence? Err, I didn;t start these threads, I argued agaist the OP and then backed up my arguement with 'actual' games where he played well, both commented on by 'our' supporters at the game and on the radio commentary. 50% of the people don;t argue against it, most are in agreement with me, and that is because it is a handful of people, including yourself, that want to bash our players everytime we lose.

 

You've been to several matches and yet you think Hammond 'frequently' misplaces passes, now I know you;re on drugs mate. Yes, he has given the ball away, but, playing Guly in the hole has allowed Hammond to control the Centre Mid and also gives Kelvin the opportunity to bowl the ball out to the wide Centre Backs. He is always available for the ball and covers the attacking midfielders. In some games this season, he has been immense. I think you forget which league we're in. Hammond is a very good Centre Mid at this level, and to think we might get prem quality means you're one of those that think throwing money at the situation is the be all and end all. We have Hammond, he is our captain, this is fact, not opinion. He needs to be supported, he may have an off game now and again, BUT, overall his season will be good, just think he should score more. But then if he did, he'd be in the Championship, not League 1.

 

If you saw the value in Telfer, then at league 1, you have to concede, Hammond is by far the better. i never saw telfer make a defense splitting mode or turn the defence as Hammond does. Hammond will play well next game and the next, then he'll have an off game, blimey, wish the rest of our team were as consistent, isn;t this why Puncheon's out on loan? Isn;t this why we're bemoaning lambert? Guly has only just been slotted in. Who's the permanent Right back? Butterfield or Richardson? How many times do people put Harding down? Should Dickson play there? What about centre Back, Jaidi, Seabourne or Martin to partner Fonte? And the biggest issue, Morgan or Chaplow.

 

Personally, singling out Hammond from all of the other decisions to make, you are barking up the wrong tree mate. Adkins knows Hammond is a decent midfielder, who plays along side Hammond is the key question he'll be asking himself. But hey, maybe Nige should give you a call, I'm sure he values your opinion on one of our best players this season. And without Hammond, Morgan off form and let's say Chaplo0w goes back in January, you;re suggesting we get rid of Hammond? OK, without Hammond, Morgan or Chaplow, who's your centre pairing? You must have a replacement, as you;re so sure Hammond should go.

 

7 games is a few, but I suggest you watch Hammond a bit more closely, he will surprise you. A very good player at this level, as is Harding. People should remember where we are before mouth gets into action. Suggestions for 2 centre mids that will tear this league apart and cost no more money than Hammond please, after you...

 

First off, I did think that thread was was stated by you, becasue the link you provided opened on your post, but looking at it again, yes, you were responding to it. And there are around 50% in those links that don't see Hammond as the midfield general you think his form entails.

 

As for some of the stuff you've written about my wanting to throw cash at the situation, or thinking we're still in the prem, or most laughably 'bashing our players every time we lose', you couldn't be further from the truth. In the past I've been accused of being a 'happy clappy' for urging caution in after people knee jerk to defeats, especially since I believe players who drop down just for money are likely to act, not just appear mercenary in our opinion.

 

I've also repeated that it's because Hammond has not hit the heights of his previous form (Beacuse I don't have problem with him, just the way he's been playing), he should be a contender to be moved on. Which is what this thread was about, and you now seem me to want to identify targets for SFC before posting and opinion on a harmless thread. WTF? This is off laod thread, not recruitment thread.

 

But it's no secret we've approached the likes of Stock and Danns, most likely to fill our need for a Fonte (Prepared to drop down for long term Ambition) style midfielder. Indecently the only bit of ITK I've ever heard was when Danns was turned down because he suddenly increased his wage demands. Which in my book was a good decision.

 

But it's not so much this but about Hammond, he has constintently underpormed this season, (and by your own admission, has not been as good as last year). He is when on top form, a very good League one player. This season he has been an average League one player, who has struggled to impose himself even on League two Shrewsbury (Discounting the Wilkins era, when most of the squad was universally awful). We need players that can consistently be very good league one players, or conceivably decent championship players.

 

And I have watched Hammond this Season, unlike Harding, (who I believe could do a job in the championship), he has not had patchy form as much as mostly bad games. You mention the guly 'hole', but how often will our seemingly fixed 4-4-2 (seeing as the players didn't respond well to 4-5-1) enable that? And whilst he is our captain now, seemingly no one in our sqaud is immovable under Adknins, as you pointed out, Puncheon poves that.

 

All IMHO of course.

[PaulGilchrist_76]

Different views from different fans and all that. Apart from his (deflected) first goal of the season, if you can come up with examples of Hammond playing out of his skin, or Rallying the team when they have been under-performing under AP or NA, I'll happily concede. I was still keeping an open mind until the shrews match, when out of a **** poor bunch, he and Guly made the least impact. For me, his form only gone backwards since he's been here.

 

I agree with this. Hammond lacks pace, always passes sideways and is slower turning than a double decker bus. If he tries to tackle, he usually fouls the other guy. Most times, when the going gets tough, he simply disappears from play. Bit like spiderman (the invisible man?') really.

[Redondo Saint]

Wotton

Pulis

Spiderman

Lambert

 

Saint Nicholas for one - I am already ****ed off with all the songs about him.