feeling a bit embarassed to be a Saints fan tonight

[Jonnyboy]

take a leaf out of john lydons book, he had a pink floyd t-shirt with "I hate" scrawled in marker pen above the name.

 

but he eats too much butter

[alpine_saint]

how did we only draw at home to Boro in 2005 when being 2-0 up going into injury time? We'd have stayed up on goal difference FFS.

 

The day I realised we were going down.........

[Saint_Jonny]

Wasnt it Viaffarra that pulled down howard in the box. I was there that day, but my memory is **** so im probably wrong. Maybe it was pele... I dunno.

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

how did we only draw at home to Boro in 2005 when being 2-0 up going into injury time? We'd have stayed up on goal difference FFS.

 

Hmm... I assume you mean the match in 2004 not 2005 and to be fair, we still had plenty of time to change it around after that match and did improve in the New Year. After losing on New Year's Day, we only lost two more games before the end of March and in fact we won ALL of our games in March culminating in a superb performance away against the same Middlesbrough side, including two cracking goals from Peter Crouch. It was after that match that the problems began.

 

You could probably forgive a defeat to Chelsea in our next match, but in the following match against Blackburn we just completely capitulated against a team that were around about the same position as us in the table. Morten Gamst Pederson was given the freedom of the pitch to run rings around our defence and we lost 3-0. That was the match where we got relegated - Redknapp had failed to get them motivated for the match and it completely knocked the stuffing out of us.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I think anyone who is embarrassed about our position is an embarrassment to the Club. Real football supporters, as opposed to plastics, really do give a **** about the 3rd division or even the 4th and Conference. As for being in the EPL, it is embarrassing that anyone actually uses that term. I can usually forgive our Colonial cousins (if you are one then howdy), but really the EPL? It is the Premier League, not the English Premier League, or if you want to pander to corporate sponsorship the Barclays Premier League. Never ever is it the EPL. Saints were in the Premier League for what, 13 seasons in our 125 year history. Are you embarrassed about the other 112 years. I'm certainly not.

 

LOL

 

I have no idea at all why anyone should get themselves so worked up about a simple abbreviation - 'EPL' seems both accurate and utterly innocuous - but despite following this club for the best part of 40 years man & boy I'm obviously still not a 'real' supporter according to you, so perhaps I'm missing some important point.

 

As for your apparent satisfaction with seeing SFC (does this abbreviation send you into a rage ?) languishing in this godforsaken division, all I can say is that those who are prepared to accept mediocrity deserve exactly that.

[trousers]

Embarrassed?

 

It's only football FFS...

[Secret Site Agent]

Well, it can't get any worse, only better. Just give it time, that's all and it'll come right in the end.

[lambertsrightleg]

say what you want about being in the 3rd division etc. i'll never be embarassed to be a southampton fan. In fact, every time I go to a game in League 1 and see 20,000 people turning out to watch my team makes me ****ing proud

[chocco boxo]

Come May this thread will mean **** all! Have faith!!!!

[dronskisaint]

Am I embarrassed? Sometimes for sure when we've failed (usually again) to do ourselves justice...in a sense we're in whatever division we're in for that season & I want to be best in that league...& go up.

 

I have an irrational (possibly!) hatred of the fish fondlers so always want to be higher in the league than them, Bompey don't really register as their size makes success a transitory experience from time to time & then they find their level again.

 

Typically though I'm as ardent a fan as I've always been which means I can criticise my team but woe betide any other supporter who dares to question ...that's not about embarrassment - it's too blind to recognise it!

 

But most of all....I remember last year when there was that prospect of having nothing to fight those battles for...& I will always be thankful to Markus - yes & NC....for giving me the highs & lows that come with my Saints addiction - that is beyond any embarrassment.

[iansums]

It's been fun in this league but two seasons will be enough for me. I do feel embarrassed by our position. Much as I like Bournemouth to do well I hate to see them (and Brighton) above us.

[Matty's Caddy]

And how did Prutton miss that sitter at West Brom???

 

I was about to post the exact same thing, inside the 6 yd box, I would definitely have put it away. 2.5M of absolute sh1te!!

[Window Cleaner]

then there wouldve been no markus...

 

I'd rather still be in the Championship under Lowe and Wilde than in the 3rd division with the now defunct Markus.Cos basically the extra TV money that we'd have had depasses by a great deal the sums that the new team has actually put into the team. 7 million against

about 4 million I guess. We haven't actually spent a lot on the team,more than everybody else to be sure but nothing by former standards,and gate revenue has increased as well,especially if you count the few bob we must have made from the JPT.With the 3£ per transaction booking fee and the all up front STs well that must have made a bit as well and yet the team investment this last summer was what a total of 450K or something like that.

[trousers]

I'd rather still be in the Championship under Lowe and Wilde than in the 3rd division with the now defunct Markus

 

^Not this

 

-1

[yorkie]

Having followed Saints for over 40-years - I undersatnd what is trying to be said but at the same time I am quite enjoying football again. In the latter seasons in The Premiership we carried a squad of has beens and couldn't care less players.

 

At least now you feel as though the players give a sh*t - and try their best. I'd rather watch 11-triers in this league than 11-overpaid prima donnas at grounds I was bored of going to.

 

Apart from all that have you seen the cost of going to a Premiership ground? That's enough to put me off!

 

Not embarased at all - just proud to have a team to follow, even if all the other south coast clubs are above us at the moment. Every dog has it's day - and ours is coming!

[Turkish]

Hmm... I assume you mean the match in 2004 not 2005 and to be fair, we still had plenty of time to change it around after that match and did improve in the New Year. After losing on New Year's Day, we only lost two more games before the end of March and in fact we won ALL of our games in March culminating in a superb performance away against the same Middlesbrough side, including two cracking goals from Peter Crouch. It was after that match that the problems began.

 

You could probably forgive a defeat to Chelsea in our next match, but in the following match against Blackburn we just completely capitulated against a team that were around about the same position as us in the table. Morten Gamst Pederson was given the freedom of the pitch to run rings around our defence and we lost 3-0. That was the match where we got relegated - Redknapp had failed to get them motivated for the match and it completely knocked the stuffing out of us.

 

Yes 2004. Ironically are we won away at Middlesbrough Redknapp came out and said "we had turned the corner" and also David Pleat said on radio he was "absolutely certain Southampton will stay up" we then go and lay down in front of Blackburn. We actually only won one more game all season, Norwich at home, which took a last minute winner. For me the game we got relegated was Villa at home, 2-0 up and crusing only to lost 3-2. After that any remaining confidence was well and truely crushed. The players looked liked frightened rabbits in the tunnel away to Pompey two games later. And we didn't win all out games in March, we won at home to Tottenham and away to 'boro but were smashed 4-0 at home by Man U in the FA Cup and only played two league games in that month.

[MarkSFC]

I'd rather still be in the Championship under Lowe and Wilde than in the 3rd division with the now defunct Markus.Cos basically the extra TV money that we'd have had depasses by a great deal the sums that the new team has actually put into the team. 7 million against about 4 million I guess. We haven't actually spent a lot on the team,more than everybody else to be sure but nothing by former standards,and gate revenue has increased as well,especially if you count the few bob we must have made from the JPT.With the 3£ per transaction booking fee and the all up front STs well that must have made a bit as well and yet the team investment this last summer was what a total of 450K or something like that.

 

wow! I never thought I'd hear someone say they would prefer Wilde and Lowe back over this regime!! Time will prove me right but the next few years will give all (and I use that word reservedly!!) far me enjoyment than we ever did or ever could had, particularly in terms of sustained success, under those two formerly mentionted cretins.

 

Your timescale is slightly wrong I think over the money, Lowe would never have sanctioned and never did I believe spending £7 mill in one season (not even when we signed the great and unbelievably over-priced record signing Rory "but I've got a long throw" Delap), it was Wilde and I think Trant(?) who gambled the £7mill on Burleys (clear-headed) judgement!!!

 

And spending as we have relatively big for a League 1 team and albeit without so far result doesn't mean by any sretch of the imagination that come the end of Jan and end of May next year we won't have a) spent a fee more hundreds of thousands if not a million or two on players and b) secured promotion.

 

I was disappointed that Pardew didn't make what I (and others on here) thought were glaringly obvious signings in the summer. CM, striker and a pacey option. To some degree and within the loan market NA has looked at doing it.

 

It's also a little difficult to sign alot of players for the kind of money you seem to be wanting/needing us to sign when in League 1. It will be easier to convince some Championship players to move in Jan when it is clearer on how likely we are to promotion and also the position of the players current employers.

 

I'm sure you won't be too disappointed!!!!

[Saint_Ash]

I'd rather still be in the Championship under Lowe and Wilde than in the 3rd division with the now defunct Markus.Cos basically the extra TV money that we'd have had depasses by a great deal the sums that the new team has actually put into the team. 7 million against

about 4 million I guess. We haven't actually spent a lot on the team,more than everybody else to be sure but nothing by former standards,and gate revenue has increased as well,especially if you count the few bob we must have made from the JPT.With the 3£ per transaction booking fee and the all up front STs well that must have made a bit as well and yet the team investment this last summer was what a total of 450K or something like that.

 

Wow, what a nut job!

[ottery st mary]

I'd rather still be in the Championship under Lowe and Wilde than in the 3rd division with the now defunct Markus.Cos basically the extra TV money that we'd have had depasses by a great deal the sums that the new team has actually put into the team. 7 million against

about 4 million I guess. We haven't actually spent a lot on the team,more than everybody else to be sure but nothing by former standards,and gate revenue has increased as well,especially if you count the few bob we must have made from the JPT.With the 3£ per transaction booking fee and the all up front STs well that must have made a bit as well and yet the team investment this last summer was what a total of 450K or something like that.

 

 

Come on windows...You really must let this love affair with Rupert go....He was never really your sort.

[Window Cleaner]

It's nothing to do with the regime in charge it's about the level of football. I'd rather have Genghis Khan in charge and be a division higher up than be in this awful division where the level of football of many of the teams is little above park standard.Nut job maybe but I like football, good football and it's not what we're seeing in this league.

[Super_Uwe]

I think we as fans have also struggled to accept where we are. Yes, we SHOULD be doing better, we SHOULD be in a better league. But we're not - we are where we deserve to be after the past 6 years. That's the simple truth. We have no divine right to be in the Premier League or the Championship.

 

The good news is of course that we are moving in the right direction, and we do have the infrastructure to make a fist of it if we get back to the Premier League.

[MarkSFC]

It's nothing to do with the regime in charge it's about the level of football. I'd rather have Genghis Khan in charge and be a division higher up than be in this awful division where the level of football of many of the teams is little above park standard.Nut job maybe but I like football, good football and it's not what we're seeing in this league.

 

What's that phrase? Oh yeah, patience is a virtue. If you really do only care about the here and now and not the future you are indicative of what's wrong with this world and "more importantly" (!!) football.

[Wes Tender]

In his defence it was fashion to list clubs at the time.

Not via a reverse takeover it wasn't. That was purely a device to enrich those old directors who held shares at a cost of a nominal £1 each, the value of which rocketed when we became a PLC. Happily some of those directors who held onto their shareholdings lost it all when we went into administration, but that had not prevented them from taking large sums out of the club in the form of salaries or consultancy fees and expenses.

 

Originally Posted by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

In all honesty 'Embarrassment' is just about the perfect word to describe just how I feel about seeing this beloved club of ours down in the 3rd division of English football. When a stranger asks you what team you support - that look of bewilderment (or is it pity ?) that comes over their face when you tell them "Southampton" is like a bleeding wound that will never heal with me. The truth is that this division and all the clubs in it just don't matter to the vast majority of football fans, and before we critise the shallowness of that attitude too much, if we are perfectly honest with ourselves how many of us really gave a toss about the lower leagues when we were back in the EPL ?

 

I know plenty of Saints fans quite enjoy us being in the lower divisions because this means they can see us win more games. All I can say is 'good luck to them' but I for one will never settle for seeing this club reduced to the state of near irrelevance it is in now.

 

You get what you deserve in life they say - the thing is that I've never been able to quite figure out what the average Saints fan has done to deserve the last 5 years of utter sh1t we've all had to endure.

 

What we had to endure the last five years is directly related to the mess caused by us being a PLC under Lowe and the resultant in-fighting between factions of egotistical shareholders because the board had only about 30% of the shares. But apart from that, I disagree that our lowly position is an embarassment. I take a great deal of unexpected pride in still supporting my club as fervently as when we were in the Premiership, feeling that I have been tested as a fan and have gained credit for remaining loyal regardless of where we now find ourselves. So the Skates are in the division above and the Cherries at the same level. So what? The entire footballing World knows that the Skates are there through cheating and living way beyond their means and that we will end the season well ahead of the Cherries. As to feeling embarrassment in the company of other fans of Premiership clubs, that depends on whether they have any valid reason for supporting that team beyond the reflected glory. If not, then I feel pity for them, or despise them for their shallowness, a position that is even more justified because we are two divisions below and therefore more credence for supporting your local club.

[Wes Tender]

I have no idea at all why anyone should get themselves so worked up about a simple abbreviation - 'EPL' seems both accurate and utterly innocuous - but despite following this club for the best part of 40 years man & boy I'm obviously still not a 'real' supporter according to you, so perhaps I'm missing some important point.

 

As for your apparent satisfaction with seeing SFC (does this abbreviation send you into a rage ?) languishing in this godforsaken division, all I can say is that those who are prepared to accept mediocrity deserve exactly that.

 

You're embarrassed by our current demise, but Vectis asked a perfectly valid question which you haven't answered. In our long history, we have been a lower league club for much longer than we have a top flight club. Were you therefore embarrassed to follow Saints when you first became a supporter before we reached the top flight?

 

As for the EPL thing, what is mildly irritating about it is the totally unecessary and superfluous "English". It's a bit like Adkins adding the word "football" in front of everything related. i.e. we needed to make use of the width of the football pitch, we need to play an attacking game of football, etc. Everybody knows that football is what is being played, that it is played on a football pitch.

[Turkish]

and for 90% of our fan base we have been above Pompey, Reading, Brighton & Bournemouth for most of our lifetimes. For a club of our size to be below them is embarassing. Forget all this i am proud of my club, i love my club, get behind the team FFS nonsense, for a club like Saints to be below little Bournemouth, a club who in years gone by we have played friendliess against to help them stay a float and a division below Portsmouth and Reading, is embarassing. the tables dont lie, the only teams worse than us in this area are Aldershot and Oxford at the moment.

[Petersfield Saint]

If only we'd held on to Lawrie Mac...

[St_Tel49]

If only we had appointed Hoddle instead of Sturrock in 2004....

 

You are reminding me of St Lard

[Wes Tender]

and for 90% of our fan base we have been above Pompey, Reading, Brighton & Bournemouth for most of our lifetimes. For a club of our size to be below them is embarassing. Forget all this i am proud of my club, i love my club, get behind the team FFS nonsense, for a club like Saints to be below little Bournemouth, a club who in years gone by we have played friendliess against to help them stay a float and a division below Portsmouth and Reading, is embarassing. the tables dont lie, the only teams worse than us in this area are Aldershot and Oxford at the moment.

 

Manchester City and Leeds have both been down where we are now in recent history, as have other former Premiership clubs like Sheffield Wednesday, Norwich, Charlton, Notts Forest, etc. Forest were European Champions within the memory of a good many on here. Only within the past year or so, some were saying that it was almost impossible to dislodge the top four, not contemplating that Liverpool could possibly fall so far, so I'm not about to slash my wrists just because we have fallen down there due to the actions of past incompetents running the club. When we return to the top flight, it will be all the enjoyable and satisfying because we sank so low. I could see your point had Bournemouth beaten us, but we have already beaten them twice this season.

[Dalek2003]

I think we as fans have also struggled to accept where we are. Yes, we SHOULD be doing better, we SHOULD be in a better league. But we're not - we are where we deserve to be after the past 6 years. That's the simple truth. We have no divine right to be in the Premier League or the Championship.

 

The good news is of course that we are moving in the right direction, and we do have the infrastructure to make a fist of it if we get back to the Premier League.

 

Moving in the right direction ? We dropped four places on Saturday !

[saint_bert]

Yes 2004. Ironically are we won away at Middlesbrough Redknapp came out and said "we had turned the corner" and also David Pleat said on radio he was "absolutely certain Southampton will stay up" we then go and lay down in front of Blackburn. We actually only won one more game all season, Norwich at home, which took a last minute winner. For me the game we got relegated was Villa at home, 2-0 up and crusing only to lost 3-2. After that any remaining confidence was well and truely crushed. The players looked liked frightened rabbits in the tunnel away to Pompey two games later. And we didn't win all out games in March, we won at home to Tottenham and away to 'boro but were smashed 4-0 at home by Man U in the FA Cup and only played two league games in that month.

 

 

What used to get me was hoe Redknapp, every game would say "we gotta score more then them, cos our defence is shocking"

 

Win/lose/draw the same line came out of his mouth.

 

After the Palce game I was sure we would stay up. Beat an unmotivated Man U at home should have been very do able. Van Nistelrooy almost looked apoligetic when scoring the second.

[Turkish]

Manchester City and Leeds have both been down where we are now in recent history, as have other former Premiership clubs like Sheffield Wednesday, Norwich, Charlton, Notts Forest, etc. Forest were European Champions within the memory of a good many on here. Only within the past year or so, some were saying that it was almost impossible to dislodge the top four, not contemplating that Liverpool could possibly fall so far, so I'm not about to slash my wrists just because we have fallen down there due to the actions of past incompetents running the club. When we return to the top flight, it will be all the enjoyable and satisfying because we sank so low. I could see your point had Bournemouth beaten us, but we have already beaten them twice this season.

 

and only Man City have got back to the top flight, what makes you so sure we will? There is a hell of a long way to go yet.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

You're embarrassed by our current demise, but Vectis asked a perfectly valid question which you haven't answered. In our long history, we have been a lower league club for much longer than we have a top flight club. Were you therefore embarrassed to follow Saints when you first became a supporter before we reached the top flight?

 

As for the EPL thing, what is mildly irritating about it is the totally unecessary and superfluous "English". It's a bit like Adkins adding the word "football" in front of everything related. i.e. we needed to make use of the width of the football pitch, we need to play an attacking game of football, etc. Everybody knows that football is what is being played, that it is played on a football pitch.

 

What happened 50 or even a 125 years ago is of historical interest only as far as I'm concerned, I love the study of history but I'm rather more concerned today with the successful club I've known and grown up with to be perfectly frank.

 

I've been following Southampton Football Club ever since I first developed a interest in football back in the mid 1970's, and for the vast majority of that time (1980 -2005 to be precise) we've been a 1st Division/Premier League club. Based on that personal experience that kind of Premier League (or at worst Championship) level is where I instinctively see this club as 'belonging'. That attitude could well be depicted as a form of arrogance I suppose, but rightly or wrongly please accept that is how I honestly feel about the situation.

 

To my mind every season this great club languishes in the 3rd Division (with relatively minor clubs such as AFC Bournemouth or Dagenham & Redbridge for instance) is a very public and highly embarrassing failure that I will never learn to accept happily as long as I live. I make no apology for repeating that.

 

As for this silly EPL business, you and Vectis are the only people I've ever seen object to what I would have thought is a admirably accurate and easily comprehended abbreviation. Nevertheless, in the interests of forum harmony if you can demonstrate that a significant number of our fellow SWF members share your objection then I will stop employing it.

[Turkish]

What used to get me was hoe Redknapp, every game would say "we gotta score more then them, cos our defence is shocking"

 

Win/lose/draw the same line came out of his mouth.

 

After the Palce game I was sure we would stay up. Beat an unmotivated Man U at home should have been very do able. Van Nistelrooy almost looked apoligetic when scoring the second.

 

Indeed, our results against the better sides that Season weren't that bad, drew twice with Arsenal, beat Liverpool & Tottenham at home, it was drawing at home with the likes of Charlton, Fulham & West Brom which cost us dearly, plus the amount of leads and late goals we conceded, two in injury time against 'boro, injury time equliser against Everton, two goal lead against Aston Villa, we even led Arsenal at Highbury that season going into injury time, but i can forgive that one. If we'd have held on in any of them we'd have stayed up on goal difference.

[Turkish]

What happened 50 or even a 125 years ago is of historical interest only as far as I'm concerned, I love the study of history but I'm rather more concerned today with the successful club I've known and grown up with to be perfectly frank.

 

I've been following Southampton Football Club ever since I first developed a interest in football back in the mid 1970's, and for the vast majority of that time (1980 -2005 to be precise) we've been a 1st Division/Premier League club. Based on that personal experience that kind of Premier League (or at worst Championship) level is where I instinctively see this club as 'belonging'. That attitude could well be depicted as a form of arrogance I suppose, but rightly or wrongly please accept that is how I honestly feel about the situation.

 

To my mind every season this great club languishes in the 3rd Division (with relatively minor clubs such as AFC Bournemouth or Dagenham & Redbridge for instance) is a very public and highly embarrassing failure that I will never learn to accept happily as long as I live. I make no apology for repeating that.

 

As for this silly EPL business, you and Vectis are the only people I've ever seen object to what I would have thought is a admirably accurate and easily comprehended abbreviation. Nevertheless, in the interests of forum harmony if you can demonstrate that a significant number of our fellow SWF members share your objection then I will stop employing it.

 

I have to agree with you CEC. My first game was 25 years ago this weekend, our centenery game v Everton. So up until 2005 i had never known us to be in any other league. Looking at the clubs in the Championship there are probably 10 or so that could also claim they "belong" in the Premier league, you could also include Sheffield Wednesday and possibly Charlton in that group. Saints are in a group of about 25 clubs some of which currently in the premier league who could make a decent fist of it in the right circumstances. We wont ever be one of the very big clubs but there is no reason why given the fan base, stadium, investment etc Saints couldn't do what we have in the past, be a regular fixture in mid/top half of top flight and give it a damn good go at getting European football every now and again. I mean if Fulham can do it. This is why it is frustrating and embrassing being the thirs lowest place team in our region.

[Aardvark]

I'm blame Crouch. If only he'd taken the ball into the corner towards the end of the Everton game rather than shooting and giving the ball back to them!

 

Harsh - one small misjudgement maybe, but he was one of the few (only?) players to come out of that season with any credit. Look to a tall gangling Norwegian for a scapegoat if you want - he had an appalling season

[Wes Tender]

and only Man City have got back to the top flight, what makes you so sure we will? There is a hell of a long way to go yet.

 

What makes you so sure we won't? We could be back there the season after next. Now that might be what you consider a long time. Of course it could take several years, but there is no reason to believe that it will take longer to get back than it took us to get down here, especially considering the resources we have now which we never had when we were in the Premiership.

[Turkish]

What makes you so sure we won't? We could be back there the season after next. Now that might be what you consider a long time. Of course it could take several years, but there is no reason to believe that it will take longer to get back than it took us to get down here, especially considering the resources we have now which we never had when we were in the Premiership.

 

I didn't say we definitely wouldn't now did I. But some seem to think we will get their as a matter of course. The team we have is currently not playing well enough to get us out of this league. We wont get there the season after next, very few teams achieve back to back promotions. We need to get out of this league first then worry about the championship, clubs of similar and bigger size than us plus 3 relegated teams coming down every season with all the parachute payments will make it a massive job to get to the Premier league. Given the form of the players this season none of them are top half Championship players.

[Saint Garrett]

Strange what difference a year makes...

[a1ex2001]

Strange what difference a year makes...

 

Scary how far we have come! also scary to see people saying they would have rather had Wilde and Lowe still at the club bet thats not the case now!

[Bartosz Bialkowski]

Turkish FACEPALM

[Sour Mash]

Strange what difference a year makes...

How bored must you be to pull that up? I'm more than happy to admit I had doubts at plenty of times during last season. Saw some cr@p performances.

[Wes Tender]

Strange what difference a year makes...

 

Isn't it? I'm particularly enjoying the conclusions in the last post of that thread before you re-opened it.

[Saint Garrett]

Well I was actually searching for David Connolly's goal vs Boro so I could send it to my Boro mate via facebook. And this was about the 10th thread so I had a flick through.

 

Very interesting to read through some of the comments on this thread.

[Sour Mash]

Well I was actually searching for David Connolly's goal vs Boro so I could send it to my Boro mate via facebook. And this was about the 10th thread so I had a flick through.

 

Very interesting to read through some of the comments on this thread.

You find random stuff written on a football forum a year ago "very interesting". And I thought I wasted too much time on here

[dronskisaint]

You find random stuff written on a football forum a year ago "very interesting". And I thought I wasted too much time on here

 

If wasted is the descriptive then you.........do.

 

What gives you the right to define how much time anyone else should spend and whether or not it is entertainment, educational or just time filling? Just asking?

[Saint Garrett]

Ha...it's more interesting than doing the coursework that I'm meant to be currently doing....

[Dalek2003]

Good to see a reference to Hoddle.

[MongoNeil]

Good to see a reference to Hoddle.

 

Aren't you on record from a few weeks back saying that you prefer Adkins to Hoddle now? I was hoping we'd see the end of the Hoddle references...

[Turkish]

What a wierdo dragging this one up. Excuse me for being disappointed we were utterly shi*e his time last year.

[Deano6]

You find random stuff written on a football forum a year ago "very interesting". And I thought I wasted too much time on here

 

I find it very interesting seeing the comparison too. I'm surprised you're getting nothing from it tbh.