Is Adkins living up to your expectations?

[Saint_clark]

Because I've paid my fiver and can say what I like as long as I stay within the rules when it comes to insult etc.

 

You're out of order pulling my post. I don't appreciate your pious attitude. Refund my fiver and delist me as a member.

 

From the article at the top of the page;

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If you "don't give a f*ck" what the OP has to say, it falls under this scenario.

[Wade Garrett]

From the article at the top of the page;

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If you "don't give a f*ck" what the OP has to say, it falls under this scenario.

 

You odious turd. Just refund my fiver and that'll be it.

[georgeweahscousin]

Totally different situation.

 

Pardew done a fantastic job rebuilding last season, you can dislike him or his style of football but the way he changed the club and team around fron Huddersfield, Swindon, Stockport etc early doors was superb.

 

Is it?

 

At least he had the luxury of spending loads of money and a pre-season with the players. Adkins has turned results around without those luxuries.

 

The proof will be the last day of the season. Promoted and he has to go down as a good appointment, condemned to another third tier season, then this thread will be more relevant.

[doddisalegend]

Is it?

 

At least he had the luxury of spending loads of money and a pre-season with the players. Adkins has turned results around without those luxuries.

 

The proof will be the last day of the season. Promoted and he has to go down as a good appointment, condemned to another third tier season, then this thread will be more relevant.

 

AP didn't have the luxury of a pre-sesaon when he first came to the club either. Secondly the money AP spent on players (re-building a shell of a team) those players are now Nigels they haven't come down in price (well Lambert probably has)they are still the most expensive team in the league. Nigel shouldn't need to spend loads of money re-building the team the way AP did he already has a good team he just needs to get them playing well.

[Legod Third Coming]

I don't think our performances this season are any different to last. If anything, they're not quite so good if you compare the period from when this squad was assembled.

 

However, Adkins needs to be given the same opportunity as Pardew to deliver - ie a season.

 

If we're not promoted automatically, chances are he will be sacked and rightly so.

 

The days of managers having years to turn things around are gone - and for good reason. The transfer windows now mean that there is a limited opportunity to build over the long term - squads can be decimated each January and July.

 

And with our resources and playing talent, we should be topping the league - no question. If Chelsea don't win a trophy this season, Ancelotti will probably be fired. Is it right? It doesn't matter. It just is.

[John B]

I don't think our performances this season are any different to last. If anything, they're not quite so good if you compare the period from when this squad was assembled.

 

However, Adkins needs to be given the same opportunity as Pardew to deliver - ie a season.

 

If we're not promoted automatically, chances are he will be sacked and rightly so.

 

The days of managers having years to turn things around are gone - and for good reason. The transfer windows now mean that there is a limited opportunity to build over the long term - squads can be decimated each January and July.

 

And with our resources and playing talent, we should be topping the league - no question. If Chelsea don't win a trophy this season, Ancelotti will probably be fired. Is it right? It doesn't matter. It just is.

 

I dont think we are as good as Chelsea

[Window Cleaner]

I dont think we are as good as Chelsea

 

they still got crapped on yesterday though...at home as well.

Remember seeing that Gyan at Rennes last year, didn't really rate him,a bit hit and miss but Chelsea obviously didn't know much about him and paid the price.

[docker-p]

I was never that enamored with AP, he was doing a 'reasonable' job. Where the wheels came loose is during the close season. If NC wanted a change, thats when he should have done it, and then the new guy would have a some preparation time, we wouldn't have been treading water under a caretaker manager, and NC wouldn't have been bounced into the only realistic appointment he could make.

That said, what we've got with NA is a manager with potential. He may realise that potential with us or it all might end in tears. If it's the later the only person to blame is NC.

Of course non of the above applies if you believe the smoke and mirrors stories rumored on here about training ground bust ups and gross misconduct against AP. All way too convenient for covering NCs ass. All in my humble non ITK opinion.

[Legod Third Coming]

I dont think we are as good as Chelsea

 

No but we have comparatively the same resources. Chelsea's team cost ten times Sunderland's and ours ten times Carlisle's.

 

It doesn't mean you won't lose the odd game, but it does mean over a season you should win the league - or at least come very very close.

 

Although money isn't everything, it does make a massive difference. Most of our players would walk into any other League One team and we HAVE to start behaving like and believing this.

 

There is way to much patience expended here given our resources - almost as though we don't have the wealthiest backing in the league by a massive margin.

 

People still seem to think like they did when we had a small family club and were fighting above our weight. We're not that club any more.

 

Like I said above, you don't have to like or dislike it - it just is.

[Toadhall Saint]

I think he's doing a good job and I'm happy he's our Manager. Saturday was a bit of a kick in the balls (never an easy place to play at) but I'm sure the team will bounce back.

[PokingFun]

No but we have comparatively the same resources. Chelsea's team cost ten times Sunderland's and ours ten times Carlisle's.

 

It doesn't mean you won't lose the odd game, but it does mean over a season you should win the league - or at least come very very close.

 

Although money isn't everything, it does make a massive difference. Most of our players would walk into any other League One team and we HAVE to start behaving like and believing this.

 

There is way to much patience expended here given our resources - almost as though we don't have the wealthiest backing in the league by a massive margin.

 

People still seem to think like they did when we had a small family club and were fighting above our weight. We're not that club any more.

 

Like I said above, you don't have to like or dislike it - it just is.

 

He has to deliver and is doing so. 2 points per league game since he has come in is evidence of that. So long as that continues for the rest of the season then we will comfortably get promoted as I cannot see any other team achieving that level of points per game with the exception of Brighton maybe but even they may have their bad patch to come. It's a results business and NA is getting results.

[NickG]

The voice of the fans was on solent tonight moaning that averaging over a point a game away from home and winning at home "just isn't good enough".

 

Think it probably would be!

[Window Cleaner]

The voice of the fans was on solent tonight moaning that averaging over a point a game away from home and winning at home "just isn't good enough".

 

Think it probably would be!

 

Of course it would be but as we've a bit of a handicap because of our crap start it may not be.

[NickG]

maybe but hardly warranted a "just not good enough" rant!

[Dalek2003]

Nothing special to be frank.

[cambsaint]

It is very unfair to judge a manager on results gained with his predecessor's team

Judge Adkins on his results with his own team.

I think (and fervently hope) he'll be a great success.

[offix]

Is he living up to my expectations? Yes, I expected very little, and that's exactly what we got

[Wildgoose]

i think he's doing a good job and i'm happy he's our manager. Saturday was a bit of a kick in the balls (never an easy place to play at) but i'm sure the team will bounce back.

 

+ 1

 

coys

[Andy_Porter]

they still got crapped on yesterday though...at home as well.

Remember seeing that Gyan at Rennes last year, didn't really rate him,a bit hit and miss but Chelsea obviously didn't know much about him and paid the price.

 

Of course they knew about him, it's not like he's come from no where.

 

The problem was starting with Ferriera at centre back, he's bad enough at right back, then playing him on the right of the two centre backs meant Ivanovic was all over the place... the whole defence was screwed.

[PaulGilchrist_76]

Is he living up to my expectations? Yes, I expected very little, and that's exactly what we got

 

Agreed.

 

With our support, facilities, current squad and financial resources, getting out out this league this season should be no big deal. Even a half decent manager should at least get us to the playoffs.

 

If we are truly ambitious and if the all important money is in place, why do we not obtain a really top class manager? This is probably the most important piece of the jigsaw.

 

Talk is cheap, why not show some REAL ambition Mr Cortese - Get the BEST people in even if it means loosening the purse strings a little.

[NickG]

Agree, half decent manager should easily get play offs - pretty confident from what I have seen, and results he has achieved, that Adkins will at least comfortably achieve this.

[Saint Billy]

Agreed.

 

With our support, facilities, current squad and financial resources, getting out out this league this season should be no big deal. Even a half decent manager should at least get us to the playoffs.

 

If we are truly ambitious and if the all important money is in place, why do we not obtain a really top class manager? This is probably the most important piece of the jigsaw.

 

Talk is cheap, why not show some REAL ambition Mr Cortese - Get the BEST people in even if it means loosening the purse strings a little.

 

I just get the feeling that the pot is empty and no further funds are forthcoming.

[adrian lord]

Exactly.

 

Like a bereaved widower, the Liebherrs will, after a suitable period to maintain decency, quietly remarry the mistress and drop the Saints project and sell up.

[CB Fry]

Agreed.

 

With our support, facilities, current squad and financial resources, getting out out this league this season should be no big deal. Even a half decent manager should at least get us to the playoffs.

 

If we are truly ambitious and if the all important money is in place, why do we not obtain a really top class manager? This is probably the most important piece of the jigsaw.

 

Talk is cheap, why not show some REAL ambition Mr Cortese - Get the BEST people in even if it means loosening the purse strings a little.

 

 

Christ almighty. As a club we've already spent more than enough to get out of League One twice over. We don't need to spend money to get out of this division.

[CB Fry]

No but we have comparatively the same resources. Chelsea's team cost ten times Sunderland's and ours ten times Carlisle's.

 

It doesn't mean you won't lose the odd game, but it does mean over a season you should win the league - or at least come very very close.

 

Although money isn't everything, it does make a massive difference. Most of our players would walk into any other League One team and we HAVE to start behaving like and believing this.

 

There is way to much patience expended here given our resources - almost as though we don't have the wealthiest backing in the league by a massive margin.

 

People still seem to think like they did when we had a small family club and were fighting above our weight. We're not that club any more.

 

Like I said above, you don't have to like or dislike it - it just is.

 

 

Great post. Aaaamen to that.

[PaulGilchrist_76]

Christ almighty. As a club we've already spent more than enough to get out of League One twice over. We don't need to spend money to get out of this division.

 

 

Ok, sounds like you are happy to see us struggle against the likes of Rochdale and Carlisle. That's your opinion and you are welcome to it!

[CB Fry]

Ok, sounds like you are happy to see us struggle against the likes of Rochdale and Carlisle. That's your opinion and you are welcome to it!

 

Don't be dopey. I expect us to be promoted this season. That's not the same as thinking we need to spend millions and millions to beat "the likes of Rochdales and Carlisle".

 

"The likes of Rochdale and Carlisle" haven't got a pot to p**s in, but you seem to think we need some team of multi-million pound galaticos to beat "the likes of Rochdale and Carlisle"?

 

How much did "the likes of Rochdale and Carlisle" spend to be so much "better" than us? Ah, right, they spent jack sh it.

 

We just need to get organised and winning with the million pound squad we've already got, not whining at Cortese to spend even more, like Harry Redknapp on Jan 1st.

[NickG]

reckon if Adkins carries on as he has we will be ok with bit to spare.

[PaulGilchrist_76]

I just get the feeling that the pot is empty and no further funds are forthcoming.

 

 

 

 

+1

 

There was a lack of transfer activity in the summer coupled with an increase in season ticket prices. Our present owners may be wealthy but I think the club is now expected to be self sufficient. Perhaps this is the real reason for Pardew's departure, he was not allowed to sign the players he knew we needed.

[S-Clarke]

Don't be dopey. I expect us to be promoted this season. That's not the same as thinking we need to spend millions and millions to beat "the likes of Rochdales and Carlisle".

 

"The likes of Rochdale and Carlisle" haven't got a pot to p**s in, but you seem to think we need some team of multi-million pound galaticos to beat "the likes of Rochdale and Carlisle"?

 

How much did "the likes of Rochdale and Carlisle" spend to be so much "better" than us? Ah, right, they spent jack sh it.

 

We just need to get organised and winning with the million pound squad we've already got, not whining at Cortese to spend even more, like Harry Redknapp on Jan 1st.

 

totally agree with you.

 

Blackpool aren't in the prem because they spent a zillion pounds.

 

These leagues are all the same, if you have a good spirit - 1 or 2 good players and good organisation then you have a chance. We've already assembled a squad that is probably more expensive than blackpools promotion winning squad from last season.

[S-Clarke]

+1

 

There was a lack of transfer activity in the summer coupled with an increase in season ticket prices. Our present owners may be wealthy but I think the club is now expected to be self sufficient. Perhaps this is the real reason for Pardew's departure, he was not allowed to sign the players he knew we needed.

 

tbf he already had the players to do well, we could maybe have done with antonio or papa coming back but young alex has come on leeps and bounds and is already filling that role.

[PaulGilchrist_76]

Don't be dopey. I expect us to be promoted this season. That's not the same as thinking we need to spend millions and millions to beat "the likes of Rochdales and Carlisle".

 

"The likes of Rochdale and Carlisle" haven't got a pot to p**s in, but you seem to think we need some team of multi-million pound galaticos to beat "the likes of Rochdale and Carlisle"?

 

How much did "the likes of Rochdale and Carlisle" spend to be so much "better" than us? Ah, right, they spent jack sh it.

 

We just need to get organised and winning with the million pound squad we've already got, not whining at Cortese to spend even more, like Harry Redknapp on Jan 1st.

 

I was referring to the fact that Cortese appointed a 'half decent' manager in Nigel Adkins instead of appointing a top class manager albeit this would cost the club a little more. I didn't suggest spending millions on 'galacticos' although one or two decent players wouldn't go amiss right now. With a 'half decent' manager comes 'half decent' results. Will this be sufficient? Not from what I have seen this season! Interesting to note that you think we can reach the promised land by not spending any more money. I hope your right but those living in the real world might think otherwise.

[croydonsaint]

Because I've paid my fiver and can say what I like as long as I stay within the rules when it comes to insult etc.

 

You're out of order pulling my post. I don't appreciate your pious attitude. Refund my fiver and delist me as a member.

Re post 51

 

I also had a post pulled by this moderator, with pretty much the same comments from him. To be fair I am not a paid up member because I would not pay to use a forum. He seems to have a mission to support the more idiotic posts/ posters. Like you feel his intervention is pathetic. Cant see me posting any more, only posting now because was annoyed about his biased and pious attitude and interested to see it was not a one off.

Could I ask if the other moderators support this, I think new moderators actions on this sadly declining forum.

[NickG]

Nigel Adkins was only thought of as a cheap option by some unrealistic fans on here.

 

He is well thought of, and imho, a good appointment.

 

Would have loved Jose but Cortesse wouldn't stretch to that

[CB Fry]

I was referring to the fact that Cortese appointed a 'half decent' manager in Nigel Adkins instead of appointing a top class manager albeit this would cost the club a little more. I didn't suggest spending millions on 'galacticos' although one or two decent players wouldn't go amiss right now. With a 'half decent' manager comes 'half decent' results. Will this be sufficient? Not from what I have seen this season! Interesting to note that you think we can reach the promised land by not spending any more money. I hope your right but those living in the real world might think otherwise.

 

 

Those living in the real world already know that we've spent more than Blackpool did and they've got to the Premier League.

 

Those living in the real world already know we have spent more than enough money to get out of this division, as all the clubs that have got promoted before us have shown - Leeds didn't spend anything like the money we have to get out of this division.

 

Who on earth is this "top class manager" desperate to come to third tier Southampton that you think we'll get. Pardew was the biggest name we could have possibly got, and Adkins is pretty much around that level too, albeit less proven further up.

 

Yeah, it's me not in the real world.....sheesh.

 

Oh, and "the likes of Rochdale and Carlisle" have top class managers and expensive squads do they, as you seem to think they're so much better than us?

[ottery st mary]

I just get the feeling that the pot is empty and no further funds are forthcoming.

 

 

Would be interested to know if the new staplewood project has ever got going..

 

Would give us an idea if things have stalled or are the builders still on strike.

 

Just curious to know..might not mean anything in the scheme of things or there are less pennies available..

[Dalek2003]

Exactly.

 

Like a bereaved widower, the Liebherrs will, after a suitable period to maintain decency, quietly remarry the mistress and drop the Saints project and sell up.

 

Hope your wrong, fear you could be right.

[LostBoys]

Sack them all and bring back Askham as chairman and Branfoot as manager I say - they would get us promoted. This thread should be interesting if we win the next two games

[adrian lord]

Hope your wrong, fear you could be right.

 

I sense the passion died with the man. Kids rarely take on their dad's hobbies after he dies.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Agree, half decent manager should easily get play offs - pretty confident from what I have seen, and results he has achieved, that Adkins will at least comfortably achieve this.

 

weren't you pretty confident last season as well?

 

The guy needs time and unfortunately in modern day football times waits for no man.

 

I wish he would think before he speaks and throw away his book of football cliches.

[Saints foreva]

Considering our squad and where we were meant to be at the start of the season, I don't think that's good enough.

 

Our squad isn't as good as people think, certainly not the best in the league.

[Charlie Wayman]

Adkins is living up to my expectations, absolutely.

 

I expected him to be a poor imitation of the subject of all the hyperbole and bull**** that surrounded his appointment as a "top notch English manager capable of taking our club into a new era (sic)", or transcribed into everyday speak - 'he was the cheapest we could get'.

 

So far what has he done to dispel my beliefs?

[The Kraken]

Our squad isn't as good as people think, certainly not the best in the league.

 

It's certainly not the tenth best in the league either.

[Give it to Ron]

Adkins is living up to my expectations, absolutely.

 

I expected him to be a poor imitation of the subject of all the hyperbole and bull**** that surrounded his appointment as a "top notch English manager capable of taking our club into a new era (sic)", or transcribed into everyday speak - 'he was the cheapest we could get'.

 

So far what has he done to dispel my beliefs?

 

Not played at the Emirates???

[Window Cleaner]

weren't you pretty confident last season as well?

 

The guy needs time and unfortunately in modern day football times waits for no man.

 

I wish he would think before he speaks and throw away his book of football cliches.

 

wouldn't that be his book of game of football clichés.

[sandwichsaint]

I thought, given where he started from, that he had a 50-50 chance of getting us up this season, and if he didn't do that (barring any spectacular foul ups this season) he would be the man to take us up next season. I also thought that there would be a measurable improvement in results and hopefully alongside that an improvement in playing style. I also thought his appointment was generally well-received and that he may start to win over the doubters who thought he wasn't a big enough name for us.

 

So far he appears to be delivering on his side of the bargain - results are demonstrably better and we are in a much more realistic position for promotion than when he took over, we have also played some good football in parts but perhaps not as much as people were expecting (?). Maybe when we get to the other side of the January window he will have shuffled the pack and he will be developing his own team (rather than managing the one he was given).

 

I would say he's very much on track to meet my (realistic) expectations but I am under no illusions that he is unlikely to get a second season if we don't go up this season ....

[Chez]

Adkins is living up to my expectations, absolutely.

 

I expected him to be a poor imitation of the subject of all the hyperbole and bull**** that surrounded his appointment as a "top notch English manager capable of taking our club into a new era (sic)", or transcribed into everyday speak - 'he was the cheapest we could get'.

 

So far what has he done to dispel my beliefs?

 

brought Chaplow to the club, who subsequently has been our best player and got rid of Wotton and Pulis and Puncheon - pretty much the fans-in-general pet hates.

[derry]

I thought, given where he started from, that he had a 50-50 chance of getting us up this season, and if he didn't do that (barring any spectacular foul ups this season) he would be the man to take us up next season. I also thought that there would be a measurable improvement in results and hopefully alongside that an improvement in playing style. I also thought his appointment was generally well-received and that he may start to win over the doubters who thought he wasn't a big enough name for us.

 

So far he appears to be delivering on his side of the bargain - results are demonstrably better and we are in a much more realistic position for promotion than when he took over, we have also played some good football in parts but perhaps not as much as people were expecting (?). Maybe when we get to the other side of the January window he will have shuffled the pack and he will be developing his own team (rather than managing the one he was given).

 

I would say he's very much on track to meet my (realistic) expectations but I am under no illusions that he is unlikely to get a second season if we don't go up this season ....

 

Agreed, however as long as he is getting on with Cortese and we are moving forward in the way we play I can't see the manager being changed.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Had there been internet forums around in 1973 what would the supporters made of Lawrie's start to his Saints career? When are we ever going to give a new manager a fair crack of the whip.How on earth can you judge a man after a dozen or so games. A major part of the Managers job is identifying and buying players, NA has been unable to do this yet.Another important part of his job is pre season, again NA has not had one of these.

[doddisalegend]

Had there been internet forums around in 1973 what would the supporters made of Lawrie's start to his Saints career? When are we ever going to give a new manager a fair crack of the whip.How on earth can you judge a man after a dozen or so games. A major part of the Managers job is identifying and buying players, NA has been unable to do this yet.Another important part of his job is pre season, again NA has not had one of these.

 

NA took the job knowing that though, I'm pretty sure he didn't say in his interview that he need to buy a load of players and needed a pre-season if NC wanted promotion this season. In fact I'm sure one of the first things Nigel said when he took the Job was how good our squad was. Also it's not up to the fans to give the manager a fair crack of the whip that's the job of our esteemed chairman.