Knives sharpening for Adkins already

[Thedelldays]

Is this an exclusive Dell Days - I thought the reasons AP was sacked are still ranked state secret status - a bit like Barnard's hernia (or not) operation?

 

isnt that what NC said...? that "he had to go" and that it would not be in the public domain..?

have not heard a peep from pardew and Downes....not as if they need any money from saints..pardew will no doubt be a multi millionaire..

 

im SURE we would have heard rumblings in the press if pardew was that hard done by...we have not

[Window Cleaner]

isnt that what NC said...? that "he had to go" and that it would not be in the public domain..?

have not heard a peep from pardew and Downes....not as if they need any money from saints..pardew will no doubt be a multi millionaire..

 

im SURE we would have heard rumblings in the press if pardew was that hard done by...we have not

 

Why would either of them want to say anything, no doubt got a decent pay-off and now they both have what most would consider a better job.Our loss is others gain. Still we got to keep Wilkins eh................Wilkins must be one of the few Saints "managers" to lose 100% of the games he was in charge.

Edited 16 December, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[Thedelldays]

Why would either of them want to say anything, no doubt got a decent pay-off and now the both have what most would consider better job.Our loss is others gain. Still we got to keep Wilkins eh................

do you actually want this lot to succeed..? you seem to have written them off already..????

 

im sure you do want them to win...crying about it like you are going on and on and on will make no difference..

for once cant we just see where we go without "not trusting the chairman" in that SOMTHING sinister is going on.

 

no, im sure your response would be that you re just being a "fan" and this is a message board..but ffs..will the record with saints fans ever change..?

[Window Cleaner]

do you actually want this lot to succeed..? you seem to have written them off already..????

 

im sure you do want them to win...crying about it like you are going on and on and on will make no difference..

for once cant we just see where we go without "not trusting the chairman" in that SOMTHING sinister is going on.

 

no, im sure your response would be that you re just being a "fan" and this is a message board..but ffs..will the record with saints fans ever change..?

 

 

I certainly want the club to get out of this god awful league, I am unconvinced that we are going the right way about it though. I do not rate Adkins so far. To me he wasn't the right choice and results so far would seem to indicate that I am not wrong.If we carry on as we have been we will not obtain automatic promotion and then we go into a sort of lottery where one personal action can bring about collective disaster. I do not know why we appointed Adkins, his credentials are not those of a manager who will guarantee success,which is what seems to be required.

[Thedelldays]

apart from two promotions in recent years out of this league..

 

you will no doubt point to a relegation..but that is not our concern right now and who knows if adkins would have been relegated had he had a farthing to spend in the CCC

[Thedelldays]

mt last word on this as you already have adkins down as a failure and will pounce on every little thing he does wrong till he gets us up or leaves the club..

 

this post from Norwaysaint sums up this place somethimes (he was responding to a post which had more bollix about cortese)

 

This is a very "saintsweb forum" post. There's not a single fact in there, it's all rumour and invention, but it's stated like it's ITK fact. Stuff like this then later gets refered to as stuff everybody knows about, when really, it's all just ******** and supposition. It's what undermines the optimism we should all have about our club. So many people just have to believe it's all shady business, backstabbing and ulterior motives. When the "we're being sold" thread appeared, lots of posters immediately claimed they'd known about it for ages. Then they went quiet when it turned out this was rubbish too. Everybody wants to second guess some kind of sinister plot going on. It's a shame, occasional bad results and performances aside, they can't just enjoy supporting a club which is clearly on the up.

I think it's fine to come on here and criticise performances, players and management decisions and decisions Cortese has overtly made, but the whole culture on here of making up sinister behind the scenes back-stories really needs to end.

[RobM]

yep, only player Adkins attracted so far is Chaplow!

 

Who was a big success for us and when he left originally, the overwhelming majority of fans on this forum were disappointed to see go and desperately wanted to keep.

[ottery st mary]

mt last word on this as you already have adkins down as a failure and will pounce on every little thing he does wrong till he gets us up or leaves the club..

 

this post from Norwaysaint sums up this place somethimes (he was responding to a post which had more bollix about cortese)

 

Sailor Sam ..How dare you call my post bolllix........

 

I will pull the plug on your little sub if you carry on like that.

 

Your rum ration is cancelled forthwith.

[up and away]

why has the chairman made a rod for his own back

has he said adkins will be fired if we dont go up..?

 

pardew was sacked for non footballing reasons....sooo, he was not fired for not delivering the playoffs

 

 

i do laugh at those who think they have cortese sussed...usually means they cant be further from the truth

 

? Have you been on one of those trips under the pole?

 

Pardew was sacked for footballing reasons, Cortese has already stated that. During pre-season training Pardew was warned that his pre-season regime was in danger of doing more damage than good for the players, something that was relayed to Cortese but he did not interfere with the manager. I assume Les Reed had something to do with this, explaining Leftbacks position, but Reed was backed up by one of the medical staff.

 

When the season started and the players were less fit than when they went into pre-season + all the injuries, the writing was on the wall. Obviously by this time some had the knives out for Pardew and he had the look of a dead man walking when the damage was reflected on the pitch. The statement given out for his sacking is fully in line with this. This was not directly related to the playoffs, but something separate. That's not to say there may have been a certain cumulative effect in the decision, but it was triggered totally independently.

[Window Cleaner]

 

I will pull the plug on your little sub if you carry on like that.

 

 

 

I don't think there's any more baking powder anyway....something to do with defence cuts.

[Window Cleaner]

? Have you been on one of those trips under the pole?

 

Pardew was sacked for footballing reasons, Cortese has already stated that. During pre-season training Pardew was warned that his pre-season regime was in danger of doing more damage than good for the players, something that was relayed to Cortese but he did not interfere with the manager. I assume Les Reed had something to do with this, explaining Leftbacks position, but Reed was backed up by one of the medical staff.

 

When the season started and the players were less fit than when they went into pre-season + all the injuries, the writing was on the wall. Obviously by this time some had the knives out for Pardew and he had the look of a dead man walking when the damage was reflected on the pitch. The statement given out for his sacking is fully in line with this. This was not directly related to the playoffs, but something separate. That's not to say there may have been a certain cumulative effect in the decision, but it was triggered totally independently.

 

Strange that Strachan's run till you drop regimes were always lauded as the nec-plus ultra of football coaching and Pardew's weren't though isn't it.

[doddisalegend]

? Have you been on one of those trips under the pole?

 

Pardew was sacked for footballing reasons, Cortese has already stated that. During pre-season training Pardew was warned that his pre-season regime was in danger of doing more damage than good for the players, something that was relayed to Cortese but he did not interfere with the manager. I assume Les Reed had something to do with this, explaining Leftbacks position, but Reed was backed up by one of the medical staff.

 

When the season started and the players were less fit than when they went into pre-season + all the injuries, the writing was on the wall. Obviously by this time some had the knives out for Pardew and he had the look of a dead man walking when the damage was reflected on the pitch. The statement given out for his sacking is fully in line with this. This was not directly related to the playoffs, but something separate. That's not to say there may have been a certain cumulative effect in the decision, but it was triggered totally independently.

 

That is the bit that gets me why did he do nothing? if this all came to light in the summer it should have been sorted then and a new manager in place before the first match this season had taken place that way we could have avoid the wilkins era which could cost us come the end of the season, 9pts lost if you're generous and put MK dons down to Wilkins rather than Nigel.

[JackFrost]

Strange that Strachan's run till you drop regimes were always lauded as the nec-plus ultra of football coaching and Pardew's weren't though isn't it.

 

Maybe had something to do with Strachan's regimes making the side super fit whereas Pardew's regime made the side tired before the season began?

[Window Cleaner]

That is the bit that gets me why did he do nothing? if this all came to light in the summer it should have been sorted then and a new manager in place before the first match this season had taken place that way we could have avoid the wilkins era which could cost us come the end of the season, 9pts lost if you're generous and put MK dons down to Wilkins rather than Nigel.

 

I think it's a too many cooks spoil the broth case rather than a many hands make light work one.

[Window Cleaner]

Maybe had something to do with Strachan's regimes making the side super fit whereas Pardew's regime made the side tired before the season began?

 

And how do you think he managed that?? Too much pumping iron perhaps rather than endurance work.The number of muscular injuries we seem to have have might bear that out.

[aintforever]

During pre-season training Pardew was warned that his pre-season regime was in danger of doing more damage than good for the players, something that was relayed to Cortese but he did not interfere with the manager. I assume Les Reed had something to do with this,

 

It's impossible know wether it was Pardew messing up or Pardew being undermined that was the problem.

[ottery st mary]

I don't think there's any more baking powder anyway....something to do with defence cuts.

 

Windows

 

More of my bolllix about to come out.

 

No rum either I remember drinking most of it the last week it was served up.

TDD is now serving in the Navy when the few ships we still have are made of steel

and the sailors are made of wood.

 

In my day the ships were made of wood and the men were made of steel.

 

 

Now thats bolllix dell days.....

 

I stand by all my previous bolllix posts...its what made me the man I am today.

 

By the way I am still supporting the mighty Saints and the two current employees Adkins and Cortese.

 

 

Come on Nige sort it out before xmas otherwise I will not be getting a xmas card fro delldays.

 

As my old mate jonah would say ..like your use of crayons , ottery old boy.

 

Has he now joined Plymouth to spend more of their money?

 

Come on you Saints.

 

PS Merry xmas delldays and Windows xxxxx

Edited 16 December, 2010 by ottery st mary
forgot xmas greetings to my favourites

[jjsaint]

I am going to say the unthinkable.

 

I don't think we'll go up this year. We'll come close, maybe make the playoffs, but we won't go up. That's not being negative or whinging, that just what I think. And frankly, personally, I'm not that bothered. We'll go up eventually, when we get that extra bit of luck we've been missing on the pitch for years. League One is pants but after 2009 I'm just glad to have a club to support.

 

However, eventual, unhurried promotion doesn't fit in with NC's "5-year" plan. When he said in the BBC interview 'At the moment I don't want to think of a scenario where that [promotion] wouldn't happen', my heart sank. Reminded me too much of the 2006/7 season. I'm not accusing NC of a promotion-or-bust attitude, but surely there's a limit to how much money can be put into SFC with no return?

 

So. Nigel Adkins is a good manager, but maybe not good enough to all but guarantee us of promotion. If the longterm health of the club depends on promotion this season, then perhaps the 'knives sharpening' is predictable, if disheartening.

[NickG]

Who was a big success for us and when he left originally, the overwhelming majority of fans on this forum were disappointed to see go and desperately wanted to keep.

 

yes so the poster's worry about Adkins in this window is based on what?! Nothing

[Legod Third Coming]

why has the chairman made a rod for his own back

has he said adkins will be fired if we dont go up..?

 

pardew was sacked for non footballing reasons....sooo, he was not fired for not delivering the playoffs

 

 

i do laugh at those who think they have cortese sussed...usually means they cant be further from the truth

 

I didn't realise that as well as the SDSR resulting in sharing Aircraft carriers with the French, the Navy have further had to share around their braincells...

 

Sure, Pardew was fired for non footballing reasons.

 

Good luck with the frogs aboard HMS Ambush...

[NickG]

lost me!

[St. Jason]

FFS lets give a manager some time, we are in the third division for a reason, do people honestly think that even an Alex Fergusson or Morinhio (sp), could do better with the players available. Yes we are not running away with this league, but would yet another change in management work. Pardew under performed, and for what ever reason has gone, yet still the deluded think we should be walking it. Would Lambert be playing better under Pardew, who knows? Give Adkins the january window and see what he does, this is when we can get permenant players in. Loan players do not seem to be the answer. Puncheon was good when he was trying for a contract, but once obtained was sh1t. If we had won saturday the mood would be different, but we were missing Fonte, Barnard, Chaplow and had no other FIT strikers available on the bench. Are we that far behind the top two, I don't think so!

 

Loan players aren't the answer, but we're missing Chaplow??????

[West End Saint]

Ordinarily I agree with you. But the Chairman has now made a rod for his own back. If we don't go up under Adkins, he really has no choice but to fire him.

 

I would hate for this to be the case. But equally, we SHOULD go up and at a canter. I take nothing for granted in life and know from bitter experience that just because you are equipped, able and competent to do something it doesn't always mean fate won't through a sizable spanner in your works.

 

But imagine that Ferguson was today appointed manager of Blackburn. And was then handed £150 million to bolster the squad in January. And then he took them down. I reckon there is an 80% chance he would be fired after six months, let alone a few seasons.

 

That's not the way I like to see football being run, but sadly it just is how football is now run. Adkins was given a target, accepted it, has the best, most expensively assembled squad (by pro rata comparison) in our history and if he fails, well... I'm sure he knows the outcome.

 

I think this does demonstrate what a bloody ridiculous decision the sacking of Pardew was. All the good work put in last season is effectively null and void if Adkins wants to play a different way, needs different players and has a different philosophy. And that's not just because I really admired what Pardew achieved here, I would be saying the same about ANY manager. If we should have learned one thing it is that you cannot build a house without a foundation...

 

You are right if we dont go up NC will sack Adkins we have the squad I guess we are the Man City of league1 and NC expects results not excusses fair enough but if we are building a club with a playing style & going to make the best of our excellent academy we need some stability & long term management.

 

I really hope this turns out to be a pointless thread we get promotion & then Adkins will have the time to affect the club buy some players of his choosing for the stsbility & growth of our club we have to get promoted or we will be starting from scratch again.

[NickG]

don't think its a sure thing at all that Adkins will be sacked if we don't go up

[Hedgehog]

Loan players aren't the answer, but we're missing Chaplow??????

 

Sorry, didn't make myself clear. What i was trying to get accross was that we need to allow Adkins a transfer window to buy players before getting on his back.

Loan players are okay short term, but the problem is you can get a player in on loan, does well, then is off to his home club in a few months.

Chaplow I know is on loan, but what i was trying to say was that saturday we were missing a defender, midfielder and striker, all of which if fit would have made a difference.

Was trying to get two points accross at the same time.

[Saint 76er]

Pardew signings.....Pardew knows about football,I really am not sure that Adkins knowledge is as great, we shall see.Plus I think the chief scout was given the boot wasn't he??? Bill Green? Now at Leicester I think.

 

Adkins spent many years in the FL as a goalkeeper, he then managed Bangor City to two titles IIRC and took them to the Champions League. He then qualified as a physiotherapist before taking over at Scunny where his success was spectacular, surely no one could have done a better job with them. He has a full compliment of FIFA badges and a diploma in football management. For good measure he has a degree of some sort in financial management as well as one in sports psychology, just to make sure he is on top of the mind games.

 

Added to all this NA seems to have bought into the gameplan of Cortese and Les Reed, which is clearly a vital requirement for any manager to progress here at the present time. Now, none of this is an absolute guarantee of success at St Mary's, but Adkins couldn't come much better qualified as a modern tech savvy football manager, but who has still been in the game for the best part of 25+ years.

 

If he doesn't achieve success with us, I strongly suspect he will do in the near future for someone else ...

[buctootim]

Adkins spent many years in the FL as a goalkeeper, he then managed Bangor City to two titles IIRC and took them to the Champions League. He then qualified as a physiotherapist before taking over at Scunny where his success was spectacular, surely no one could have done a better job with them. He has a full compliment of FIFA badges and a diploma in football management. For good measure he has a degree of some sort in financial management as well as one in sports psychology, just to make sure he is on top of the mind games.

 

Added to all this NA seems to have bought into the gameplan of Cortese and Les Reed, which is clearly a vital requirement for any manager to progress here at the present time. Now, none of this is an absolute guarantee of success at St Mary's, but Adkins couldn't come much better qualified as a modern tech savvy football manager, but who has still been in the game for the best part of 25+ years.

 

If he doesn't achieve success with us, I strongly suspect he will do in the near future for someone else ...

 

He will do very well for us, maybe our best manager in recent times imo.

[aintforever]

Football badges etc mean jack ****, but it would be dumb to sack Adkins if we don't go up this season.

[doddisalegend]

Adkins spent many years in the FL as a goalkeeper, he then managed Bangor City to two titles IIRC and took them to the Champions League. He then qualified as a physiotherapist before taking over at Scunny where his success was spectacular, surely no one could have done a better job with them. He has a full compliment of FIFA badges and a diploma in football management. For good measure he has a degree of some sort in financial management as well as one in sports psychology, just to make sure he is on top of the mind games.

 

Added to all this NA seems to have bought into the gameplan of Cortese and Les Reed, which is clearly a vital requirement for any manager to progress here at the present time. Now, none of this is an absolute guarantee of success at St Mary's, but Adkins couldn't come much better qualified as a modern tech savvy football manager, but who has still been in the game for the best part of 25+ years.

 

If he doesn't achieve success with us, I strongly suspect he will do in the near future for someone else ...

 

Thats all very impressive but you could probably find a lot of managers higher up the leagues doing/having done a lot more with whole lot less of those qualifications. Nigels doing an alright job not spectacular but ok he is here until the end of the season come what may. After that it's down to how NC thinks he has done, but I suspect no promotion will equal no job.

[NickG]

think he is here for a while but who knows

[doddisalegend]

think he is here for a while but who knows

 

Possibly NC has said nice things about him, he seems to like Nigel. However it's a results game (and sometimes not even that, at least three managers have been sacked this season because the chairmen just didn't seem to like them) no promotion is a poor poor result.

[Legod Third Coming]

Possibly NC has said nice things about him, he seems to like Nigel. However it's a results game (and sometimes not even that, at least three managers have been sacked this season because the chairmen just didn't seem to like them) no promotion is a poor poor result.

 

Agreed. But I expect we will be promoted and will win the league. Our squad is good enough and the manager and Chairman both know it. I would be stunned if the players weren't given a severe bollacking for last week's shambles.

 

We must now kick on and put a string of decent wins together. And Adkins should then be allowed to build a decent squad for the Championship. I would genuinely like to see stability but if this team is not promoted, Adkins isn't a good manager and I don't see why the hell anyone would want to keep him? Especially those who were glad to see the back of Pardew.

 

I don't believe it will come to this. I think Saturday was a blip and with Fonte back, I would expect us to win the league at a canter.

[Window Cleaner]

I would expect us to win the league at a canter.

 

 

I don't, we're too far back and have too many away games stacked up, second maybe but Brighton or Sheffield Wednesday will win the League.

[Dalek2003]

Agreed. But I expect we will be promoted and will win the league. Our squad is good enough and the manager and Chairman both know it. I would be stunned if the players weren't given a severe bollacking for last week's shambles.

 

We must now kick on and put a string of decent wins together. And Adkins should then be allowed to build a decent squad for the Championship. I would genuinely like to see stability but if this team is not promoted, Adkins isn't a

 

I would expect us to win the league at a canter.

 

 

Hahahahahahahhahh hohohohohohooh side splitting laughter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Window Cleaner]

 

 

Hahahahahahahhahh hohohohohohooh side splitting laughter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

i think many fans would do well to revisit some of the videos available on Saint's Player from last season, look and see how potent we were in attack,how fast we moved from midfield, how well we defended, where RL was most of the time, the impact Antonio made and then say "why is it no longer like that"

[NickG]

Rickie's form is much much more of loss than having Antonio as bit part player. Would have him back tho!

[up and away]

i think many fans would do well to revisit some of the videos available on Saint's Player from last season, look and see how potent we were in attack,how fast we moved from midfield, how well we defended, where RL was most of the time, the impact Antonio made and then say "why is it no longer like that"

 

And if they look at them all, they will find just as many bad Antonio performances as good. Similar with Papa, but he scored some scrappy goals when played upfront, that bit more effective than Antonio. But just take a way Ricky's goals and mount him on the back of a slug and there is your over riding reason.

[Legod Third Coming]

I don't, we're too far back and have too many away games stacked up, second maybe but Brighton or Sheffield Wednesday will win the League.

 

I'm pretty sure if we win 70% of our games from now until May we will win the league. And that percentage could go up from here.

 

The key thing is to start putting results together in a sequence and not to lose the very winnable games. We can afford the odd slip up, but we do now need to start burying a few teams and behaving like the POWERHOUSE we are in this league.

 

That could start by a few fans who seem content to let us drift, being a bit more animated about WINNING footbal matches and for the manager to start utilising the players at his disposal in a system that suits THEM and not HIM.

 

Does Ricky Lambert thrive on the long ball? Then punt it to him.

 

Will I miss the fast free flowing football that saw us rolled over by Brentford? Will I feck. Do I want to be entertained? Yes. Which is why I'm seeing Tron at the IMAX.

 

As for this god-foresaken league, let's just win the thing and worry about how we play when we no longer need to concern ourselves with winning every week...

[Fan The Flames]

And what is the difference between these performances ??? it comes down to the same 2 men all of the time, Antonio and Lambert. One's no longer here the other is just a cardboard cut out of the real thing.

 

This is it for me, anyone who thinks our team is as strong as last season needs to sober up and smell last nights kebab. The positive is that we are doing better this time of the season compared with the same time last year, so if we strengthen equally as well as we did last year then happy days. This will be NA's big task.

[Legod Third Coming]

This is it for me, anyone who thinks our team is as strong as last season needs to sober up and smell last nights kebab. The positive is that we are doing better this time of the season compared with the same time last year, so if we strengthen equally as well as we did last year then happy days. This will be NA's big task.

 

Hmmm... I'm not sure that Oxo hasn't already contributed at least 50% of what Antonio pro-rata??

 

Lambert is clearly a massive issue - either:

 

1. he is not fit

2. he is not motivated

3. we are not playing a game which suits his game

4. or a mix of the above.

 

That notwithstanding, we have other strikers at the club and/or could play an alternative game. And as yet Lallana and the other midfielders don't appear to be scoring as regularly as they did last season.

 

This is how we compare after 19 games...

 

Last Season

Won 7 Drew 8 Lost 4 Scored 32 Conceded 24 Points 29 (not including minus 10)

 

This Season

Won 8 Drew 4 Lost 7 Scored 26 Conceded 18 Points 28

 

In reality, performances aside, we are nine points better off this season, which if we'd had last season would have meant finishing on 82 points in fifth in the play-offs.

 

The BIG Question is... is play-off performance good enough for this team/club/chairman??

[NickG]

difficult to compare - last season we started with putting a squad together, this season we have slow start followed by 4 defeats when changing manager (which hopefully won't be repeated in 2nd half of the season!)

[buctootim]

Hmmm... I'm not sure that Oxo hasn't already contributed at least 50% of what Antonio pro-rata??

 

Lambert is clearly a massive issue - either:

 

1. he is not fit

2. he is not motivated

3. we are not playing a game which suits his game

4. or a mix of the above.

 

That notwithstanding, we have other strikers at the club and/or could play an alternative game. And as yet Lallana and the other midfielders don't appear to be scoring as regularly as they did last season.

 

This is how we compare after 19 games...

 

Last Season

Won 7 Drew 8 Lost 4 Scored 32 Conceded 24 Points 29 (not including minus 10)

 

This Season

Won 8 Drew 4 Lost 7 Scored 26 Conceded 18 Points 28

 

In reality, performances aside, we are nine points better off this season, which if we'd had last season would have meant finishing on 82 points in fifth in the play-offs.

 

The BIG Question is... is play-off performance good enough for this team/club/chairman??

 

....

Edited 18 December, 2010 by buctootim
what nick said

[lordswoodsaints]

Our Christmas fixtures and the upcoming transfer window will be an indication of how good/bad we are and how serious the management/owners are about getting out of this crappy little league.

It seems that intentionally or not NC has turned the heat up with his comments about getting promoted and although Adkins has done better than I expected he is under pressure and I'm not sure that is something he has experienced in his other jobs.

[Window Cleaner]

Our Christmas fixtures and the upcoming transfer window will be an indication of how good/bad we are and how serious the management/owners are about getting out of this crappy little league.

It seems that intentionally or not NC has turned the heat up with his comments about getting promoted and although Adkins has done better than I expected he is under pressure and I'm not sure that is something he has experienced in his other jobs.

 

I must be over exigent then, I expected whoever manages our club to get at least as many points as AP's side did once he got it on the rails last season. 74 points from 36 games from BR home onwards. 2 points a game is the bare minimum for me because it is basically the same side.

[lordswoodsaints]

I must be over exigent then, I expected whoever manages our club to get at least as many points as AP's side did once he got it on the rails last season. 74 points from 36 games from BR home onwards. 2 points a game is the bare minimum for me because it is basically the same side.

 

I'm with you,with the quality of player we have and the most expensive squad in this league and much of the league above we should be ****ing all over whoever is put in front of us but it's not really happening.

Adkins has done ok but has he done any better than pardew would of? (for the record I'm not a real fan of either pardew or Adkins)

Perhaps I'm over expectant too,but I think it is more case of me not being able to come to terms with our rapid decline after relegation from the prem and my desire for a quick return that clouds my opinion,but I'd like to think that we should be a league closer to the prem at the end of this season.

[buctootim]

I must be over exigent then, I expected whoever manages our club to get at least as many points as AP's side did once he got it on the rails last season. 74 points from 36 games from BR home onwards. 2 points a game is the bare minimum for me because it is basically the same side.

 

The same side is playing better than last season imo, with one crucially important exception - RL. We have more shots on goal than any other bar one, and yet have scored fewer goals than almost any other team. RL not scoring is almost the sole reason for the team underpeforming this season. I see that as a major handicap for Adkins, you seem to see it as an Adkins failing. Thats the only real difference.

[Legod Third Coming]

The same side is playing better than last season imo, with one crucially important exception - RL. We have more shots on goal than any other bar one, and yet have scored fewer goals than almost any other team. RL not scoring is almost the sole reason for the team underpeforming this season. I see that as a major handicap for Adkins, you seem to see it as an Adkins failing. Thats the only real difference.

 

I'm not convinced that's true - Hammond and Lallana both contibuted more last season in terms of goals, if nothing else.

 

As for Lambert underperfoming - that is true, no doubt about it.

 

We're one point worse than the team who started last season, at the same stage. That's still play-off material but it's far from good enough for our resources, team or Chairman. The key question is how will Adkins address Lambert's underperformance? Change the way he plays to go more direct, replace him or what?

 

I'm not against Adkins (although it's no secret I was massively pro Perdew) and if he wins 70% of the remaining games we will almost certainly be promoted. But really, this should be the minimum am and I do tire of the low expectations of some fans. We should be walking this league - really we should. We are financial giants. We have two players who are worth more than the Brentford squad. Being beaten by them can happen (we did after all beat United once or twice) but it can't happen again this season.

[Thedelldays]

I'm not convinced that's true - Hammond and Lallana both contibuted more last season in terms of goals, if nothing else.

 

As for Lambert underperfoming - that is true, no doubt about it.

 

We're one point worse than the team who started last season, at the same stage. That's still play-off material but it's far from good enough for our resources, team or Chairman. The key question is how will Adkins address Lambert's underperformance? Change the way he plays to go more direct, replace him or what?

 

I'm not against Adkins (although it's no secret I was massively pro Perdew) and if he wins 70% of the remaining games we will almost certainly be promoted. But really, this should be the minimum am and I do tire of the low expectations of some fans. We should be walking this league - really we should. We are financial giants. We have two players who are worth more than the Brentford squad. Being beaten by them can happen (we did after all beat United once or twice) but it can't happen again this season.

 

news flash for you - WE WILL LOSE AGAIN THIS SEASON...we may even lose another home game

Edited 18 December, 2010 by Thedelldays

[John Boy Saint]

I have to say that it is complete cobblers that this thread is still so high up in the posts list ( yes I know that I have not helped with this) so many folks have to pull their heads out of their backsides and give one of the most promising young English managers a chance. Some folks need reminding that Sir Alex was on his last chance and now Man U are a team we would all like Saints to emulate. We are in league one partly because of the revolving door policy with managers. Get off Adkins back

[dune]

With all these games getting called off it feels like the close season and this thread is a classic close season thread.