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Posted
We need to look at the defensive mistakes made yesterday rather than NA tactical shortcomings,otherwise we would be celebrating a win.

 

dead right; the defensive mistakes and the fluffed goal efforts as well.Just as NA says up to there I'm right with him but to me he creates the environment for these to happen with the selection of Jaidi and the eternal use of RL as the main striker.

 

I've been reading through the minute by minute on the Carlisle site and I must admit from there we didn't look too bad,Merrington is such a whiner that a lot of what we do isn't reported or just given a negative bias.

Posted
Although I don't think the answer is new players all of the time.That's probably what got us into this awful shambles of a division in the first place.NA has to decide what his first team is and play it.To me the team that he has been playing of late isn't the right one

and yesterday he seemed to realise that and tinkered with it but in a sort of half hearted way.Until he makes the obvious change that he seems reluctant to make (or is he even allowed to!) we are going to have problems. Lambert is absolutely dire and it's plain for everybody to see,yet it's Barney that gets dropped,Guly must be wondering wtf he is doing here, he sees the abject Lambert getting 90 minutes every week and he doesn't even get 5 minutes.The players must be thinking wtf is going on.

 

Completely agree. No wonder there is talk from leftback that players are rolling their eyes at team selection when instead of picking strikers based on form he picks a striker based on his previous successes. Wouldn't be surprised to see a few transfer requests in January if things don't change in this regard.

Posted
Completely agree. No wonder there is talk from leftback that players are rolling their eyes at team selection when instead of picking strikers based on form he picks a striker based on his previous successes. Wouldn't be surprised to see a few transfer requests in January if things don't change in this regard.

 

Don't be ridiculous.

Posted
Completely agree. No wonder there is talk from leftback that players are rolling their eyes at team selection when instead of picking strikers based on form he picks a striker based on his previous successes. Wouldn't be surprised to see a few transfer requests in January if things don't change in this regard.

Don't think there will be need for transfer requests, there will be 2 or 3 shipped out in January. NA will dispose of anyone he sees as not being part of the team, and bring in some replacements that he will prefer to work with. One of the problems taking over after start of season, you need to work with the players you have (generally) even though some of those players are part of the problem. We do need to bring in a proper cover for RL though, Barney and DC or even Guly cannot take on that role, so RL will not be dropped regularly until that move is made in Jan (unless there is an emergency loan in the 10 days).

Posted
Don't think there will be need for transfer requests, there will be 2 or 3 shipped out in January. NA will dispose of anyone he sees as not being part of the team, and bring in some replacements that he will prefer to work with. One of the problems taking over after start of season, you need to work with the players you have (generally) even though some of those players are part of the problem. We do need to bring in a proper cover for RL though, Barney and DC or even Guly cannot take on that role, so RL will not be dropped regularly until that move is made in Jan (unless there is an emergency loan in the 10 days).

 

to ship players out you need willing acquirers as we have often found out in the past. Some of those who may want to go may not be amongst those who we don't want to keep. I can see some transfer requests as well,some may have already gone in ,who knows.

Posted

I agree with your post delldays, but with regards to this point...

 

The only common link with all out failures in the last few years is our moaning fan base

 

...you have played a bigger part in mindless moaning than most, if not all, over the years on this messageboard. So I think this picture deserves another airing.

 

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Posted
dead right; the defensive mistakes and the fluffed goal efforts as well.Just as NA says up to there I'm right with him but to me he creates the environment for these to happen with the selection of Jaidi and the eternal use of RL as the main striker.

 

I've been reading through the minute by minute on the Carlisle site and I must admit from there we didn't look too bad,Merrington is such a whiner that a lot of what we do isn't reported or just given a negative bias.

 

Did Jaidi cost us yesterday though? I only listened on Solent but it sound that a lot of their attacking came through Harding who appeared to be having an uncharacteristic howler of a display.

 

Agree about Merrington. Usually I'd defend him but his obsession with anything other than 442 being negative (and then banging on about it ad nauseam) is beyond tiresome. He was the same last season when Pardew employed the 451 and we played some great football.

Posted
On here.. The old nudge nudge wink winks an the comments on how Nige has not won the dressing rooms

 

Players rolling their eyes etc

 

Moaning at his media skills

 

How sad that after a couple of months in charge.. A fair few wins some fans are already sharpening their verbal knives for the new manager

 

 

Sometimes I think we deserve to be in division 3... The only common link with all out failures in the last few years is our moaning fan base

Fair play TDD, there are some right *****s on this forum.
Posted
I assume the Chelsea Fans Forums are full of Ancelotti out threads after their result at Sunderland today

 

Oh Cheers Phil, I've been doing a 'Likely Lads' all afternoon and trying to avoid the result !

 

As for what we on here happen to think of Nigel Adkins. I've been a Saints fan quite long enough to know by now that whatever we mere fans say about a manager makes not the slightest difference.

Posted

When Saints play well..It is because Nigel is a world class coach and has got more out of the players..

 

When we play badly..the players are Pards boyzz and it is not our Nigels fault....

 

Funny old game..

 

Get Ancelotti in..

Posted
On here.. The old nudge nudge wink winks an the comments on how Nige has not won the dressing rooms

 

Players rolling their eyes etc

 

Moaning at his media skills

 

How sad that after a couple of months in charge.. A fair few wins some fans are already sharpening their verbal knives for the new manager

 

 

Sometimes I think we deserve to be in division 3... The only common link with all out failures in the last few years is our moaning fan base

 

rightttttttttt so the fans are the cause really? This is an internet forum the whole point of this place is to spout off about crap results or revel in good ones. I find it ironic that some on this thread complaining about people having ago at Nigel where quick enough to put the boot into Pardew last season. Nigel f ucked up yesterday not by playing 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 but by not changing things sooner when it became clear things weren't working. I doubt that many want him sacked some how but I resevre the right to come on here and ***** if I think he has f ucked up.

Posted
I assume the Chelsea Fans Forums are full of Ancelotti out threads after their result at Sunderland today

 

Its wasn't at Sunderland, the Mackems came to the bridge and gave Chelsea a hiding. And 606 has had a few Chelsea fans coming on moaning about Acelotti over the past couple of weeks.

Posted

Exactamundo. Team loses, a tricky away tie. Fans on website collectively wet their pants. Think they know better than a professional, qualified manager who assesses the team all week.

Posted
The NA reaction thread is a joke. Supporting Saints was a much more sane experience before the wonders of the internet.

 

So very true .....

  • 5 weeks later...
Posted
On here.. The old nudge nudge wink winks an the comments on how Nige has not won the dressing rooms

 

Players rolling their eyes etc

 

Moaning at his media skills

 

How sad that after a couple of months in charge.. A fair few wins some fans are already sharpening their verbal knives for the new manager

 

 

Sometimes I think we deserve to be in division 3... The only common link with all out failures in the last few years is our moaning fan base

 

This sort of statement really hacks me of, why's it all ways our fault??

 

Strachan was Liked as was Hoddle, Pearson and Pardew. Sturrock, we didn't even get a chance to try him before Lowe acted, JP & Wotte???? I defy any fan to find something positive to say about that whole fiasco.

 

Now we have Adkins!

 

For me the biggest problem I have with him is he is, in no way a step up from Pardew. It's only an opinion but I don't for one minute believe we'd be struggling if he was still here, I think we'd be easily top 2! Whats Pardew, Gillet, Mill's and Puncheon got in common???? None were good enough for Saints yet they are all good enough for better teams than ours!!!!

Posted
A cynic would point to defeat at Carlisle compared to a 4-1 cakewalk at Wembley and defeat at Huddersfield compared to a 5-0 win at St Mary's under Pardew.

 

But generally I agree with you. People are far too ready to criticise, we're going to lose some games here and there but overall should have more than enough for this division. Save the criticism for a time when we're not in a strong position to challenge for promotion - the margins in this league are usually defined by effort, and both the teams I mentioned above had the additional motivation of their last result against us.

 

No doubt someone will be starting a thread about Pardew's success damaging Adkins' chances now... :D

 

Anyone with any common sense would see that Adkins is missing a 30 goal striker, something Pardew would not lasted the season without. And the reason we are missing that 30 goal striker + a range of problems, is because the same thwat screwed up pre-season.

 

We played some superb football under Pardew, but the method of play (requiring high energy levels) and our stamina meant we suffered when having to play two games a week. It was constantly a case of after the Lord Mayors show. Pardew rightly thought that if he could sort out that stamina problem, we would mullah this league. He was right to an extent, just never had the players who could raise to that challenge. And in his failed attempt, has bluggered us for most of this season, doing far more damage than good. Adkins is now forced to juggle with the pieces that are left.

 

As for the hormonaly unbalanced, those criticisms will always be there to some extent, no matter who the manager. Thankfully the one that matters does not see things that way.

Posted
This sort of statement really hacks me of, why's it all ways our fault??

 

Strachan was Liked as was Hoddle, Pearson and Pardew. Sturrock, we didn't even get a chance to try him before Lowe acted, JP & Wotte???? I defy any fan to find something positive to say about that whole fiasco.

 

Now we have Adkins!

 

For me the biggest problem I have with him is he is, in no way a step up from Pardew. It's only an opinion but I don't for one minute believe we'd be struggling if he was still here, I think we'd be easily top 2! Whats Pardew, Gillet, Mill's and Puncheon got in common???? None were good enough for Saints yet they are all good enough for better teams than ours!!!![/QUOTE]

 

Hits nail on head.

Posted
This sort of statement really hacks me of, why's it all ways our fault??

 

Strachan was Liked as was Hoddle, Pearson and Pardew. Sturrock, we didn't even get a chance to try him before Lowe acted, JP & Wotte???? I defy any fan to find something positive to say about that whole fiasco.

 

Now we have Adkins!

 

For me the biggest problem I have with him is he is, in no way a step up from Pardew. It's only an opinion but I don't for one minute believe we'd be struggling if he was still here, I think we'd be easily top 2! Whats Pardew, Gillet, Mill's and Puncheon got in common???? None were good enough for Saints yet they are all good enough for better teams than ours!!!!

 

It was Pardew who rated Mills as a 3rd rate LB and Gillet behind Wooton!

 

Haven't seen anything from Adkins that makes me think he will do worse than Pardew. We have improved considerably since his arrival

Posted

I think he is doing out and will end up doing very well. But to be honest if we were to get rid of him in the near future who in their right mind would take the job. I think we will make the play offs after just missing out on the top 2.

Posted

I know some were doubtful of Adkins when he signed but you've got to give him time. At least give him a transfer window ffs. I know, you know, everyone knows that promotion this season is imperative - no-one knows that more than Adkins, and he will bust a gut to make sure we will achieve it.

 

It's up to Cortese to back his appointment in January with the necessary funds - to get out this league we need a goalscorer AT LEAST, although I do think Rickie will come good in the latter part of the season, just an inkling, and we can't keep relying on a 17 year old to fire us to promotion on the right wing.

 

I'm looking forward to January - I have a sneaking suspicion we'll be suprised.

Posted

It is Saints Lore that if you don't get promoted at the first time of asking you are a rubbish manager, as Adkins will find out if he doesn't get us up this year.

Posted
It is Saints Lore that if you don't get promoted at the first time of asking you are a rubbish manager, as Adkins will find out if he doesn't get us up this year.

 

Yawn. No it isn't. Change the record.

 

Adkins took the job on the understanding that the club is promoted to the Championship this season. That's his brief. He's got the resources to achieve just that and no one forced him to take the job. And he'll be well paid to boot.

 

That's the real world of professional football in 2010. That's right, 2010. You want to try living here some time.

 

Spare us the 215th reading of your Ted Bates/Lawrie Mac lecture.

Posted
Although I don't think the answer is new players all of the time.That's probably what got us into this awful shambles of a division in the first place.NA has to decide what his first team is and play it.To me the team that he has been playing of late isn't the right one

and yesterday he seemed to realise that and tinkered with it but in a sort of half hearted way.Until he makes the obvious change that he seems reluctant to make (or is he even allowed to!) we are going to have problems. Lambert is absolutely dire and it's plain for everybody to see,yet it's Barney that gets dropped,Guly must be wondering wtf he is doing here, he sees the abject Lambert getting 90 minutes every week and he doesn't even get 5 minutes.The players must be thinking wtf is going on.

You appear to miss the fact that he is injured.

Posted

FFS lets give a manager some time, we are in the third division for a reason, do people honestly think that even an Alex Fergusson or Morinhio (sp), could do better with the players available. Yes we are not running away with this league, but would yet another change in management work. Pardew under performed, and for what ever reason has gone, yet still the deluded think we should be walking it. Would Lambert be playing better under Pardew, who knows? Give Adkins the january window and see what he does, this is when we can get permenant players in. Loan players do not seem to be the answer. Puncheon was good when he was trying for a contract, but once obtained was sh1t. If we had won saturday the mood would be different, but we were missing Fonte, Barnard, Chaplow and had no other FIT strikers available on the bench. Are we that far behind the top two, I don't think so!

Posted

I think most people are sane enough to realise you can't judge a manager on just a few months worth of games.

 

However i think some people need to realise what Adkins is here for. He is here to get the team promoted THIS season. He is not here to build a team to get promotion next season. The team we have now is one of the best in the league. Comparing how he has started life here compared to how Pardew started life here is just silly. When Pardew came in we were a team with a dire first team squad with many of the better players moved on to help with the clubs finances. We had no coaching staff and the structure behind the scenes was pretty awful. Pardew over time changed those things.

 

Adkins on the other hand came in with one of the best squads already in place, a cup winning team. One that the season before only just missed the playoffs. There was a coaching set up and the set-up behind the scenes was a lot stronger and more proffesional.

 

What he will be judged on is his ability to change games when things are not going so well, his tactics, team selections and of course the results. He has made a good start to life at this club. And we all must back him 100%. But if he makes bad decisions like he has now on a couple of occasions then he has to take some responsibility for that. The same goes with certain players, if they are not pulling their weight for the club then drop them.

 

Thinking of replacing someone so soon is just mental. But questioning some of his decisions i think is pretty valid as isn't that what fans are supposed to do? To not expect those things i find more crazy!

Posted

I don't think there are too many who want him out - yet. I also don't agree that too many think he's a bad manager. However, it is true to say that results have not reflected the ambitions of the club particularly when so much money has been invested. Whatever we want to think may or may not happen with NA, NC will not hang about when making a decision on whether there is enough about NA to maintain the risk of keeping him on. The team does not appear to be responding well at the moment. However, the January window will be a great opportunity for NA to inject one or more players of his own into the squad and that might be the turning point. I hope so.

Posted
I think most people are sane enough to realise you can't judge a manager on just a few months worth of games.

 

However i think some people need to realise what Adkins is here for. He is here to get the team promoted THIS season. He is not here to build a team to get promotion next season. The team we have now is one of the best in the league. Comparing how he has started life here compared to how Pardew started life here is just silly. When Pardew came in we were a team with a dire first team squad with many of the better players moved on to help with the clubs finances. We had no coaching staff and the structure behind the scenes was pretty awful. Pardew over time changed those things.

 

Adkins on the other hand came in with one of the best squads already in place, a cup winning team. One that the season before only just missed the playoffs. There was a coaching set up and the set-up behind the scenes was a lot stronger and more proffesional.

 

What he will be judged on is his ability to change games when things are not going so well, his tactics, team selections and of course the results. He has made a good start to life at this club. And we all must back him 100%. But if he makes bad decisions like he has now on a couple of occasions then he has to take some responsibility for that. The same goes with certain players, if they are not pulling their weight for the club then drop them.

 

Thinking of replacing someone so soon is just mental. But questioning some of his decisions i think is pretty valid as isn't that what fans are supposed to do? To not expect those things i find more crazy!

 

Nail and head

Posted
It was Pardew who rated Mills as a 3rd rate LB and Gillet behind Wooton!

 

Haven't seen anything from Adkins that makes me think he will do worse than Pardew. We have improved considerably since his arrival

 

Do you honestly think we have?

I can't see a lot of difference. Maybe my expectations were higher after AP left which is clouding my judgement but I don't see us any further forward performance wise. Sorry.

Posted
On here.. The old nudge nudge wink winks an the comments on how Nige has not won the dressing rooms

 

Players rolling their eyes etc

 

Moaning at his media skills

 

How sad that after a couple of months in charge.. A fair few wins some fans are already sharpening their verbal knives for the new manager

 

 

Sometimes I think we deserve to be in division 3... The only common link with all out failures in the last few years is our moaning fan base

 

I have a fairly straightforward view on this.

 

NA has failed to impress, imo. Yes, we've won quite a few games, but not many against the quality opposition in this division, so I am left underwhelmed and doubting out ability to compete for the play offs (auto promotion is gone, imo).

 

HOWEVER....

 

He took over a squad that had been really shoddily treated and ran into the ground over the summer break, full of injuries, and very demotivated due to an number of factors, not least the usual "we're not going to rush things about appointing a new manager" temporary appointment of a clueless d*ckhead on a par with Dodd and Gorman. He has so far had extremely limited opportunity to put his mark on this squad with his own signings, and the same extremely limited opportunity to clear out underachieving p*ss-taking dead wood, in fact the two headline things he has done, shipping out "all fart and no sh*t" Puncheon and bringing back Chaplow have been spot-on.

 

So, before solidifying my opinion for or against his stewardship, I am going to sit quietly and observe the activity of the next transfer window. IF he makes the changes we so badly need, then he will have my approval. If he doesnt (and I see this as a big "IF" considering his statements 2 weeks about funds being available), I will think he is not up to the job.

Posted
It was Pardew who rated Mills as a 3rd rate LB and Gillet behind Wooton!

 

Haven't seen anything from Adkins that makes me think he will do worse than Pardew. We have improved considerably since his arrival

 

No we have not.

 

You can show as many stats as you like,again,i am not convinced we have moved on in any shape or form.

If anything we are worsening,at best we are stagnating.

Posted
I have a fairly straightforward view on this.

 

NA has failed to impress, imo. Yes, we've won quite a few games, but not many against the quality opposition in this division, so I am left underwhelmed and doubting out ability to compete for the play offs (auto promotion is gone, imo).

 

HOWEVER....

 

He took over a squad that had been really shoddily treated and ran into the ground over the summer break, full of injuries, and very demotivated due to an number of factors, not least the usual "we're not going to rush things about appointing a new manager" temporary appointment of a clueless d*ckhead on a par with Dodd and Gorman. He has so far had extremely limited opportunity to put his mark on this squad with his own signings, and the same extremely limited opportunity to clear out underachieving p*ss-taking dead wood, in fact the two headline things he has done, shipping out "all fart and no sh*t" Puncheon and bringing back Chaplow have been spot-on.

 

So, before solidifying my opinion for or against his stewardship, I am going to sit quietly and observe the activity of the next transfer window. IF he makes the changes we so badly need, then he will have my approval. If he doesnt (and I see this as a big "IF" considering his statements 2 weeks about funds being available), I will think he is not up to the job.

 

how can you say auto promotion has gone??? Been reading the tea leaves Alps?

Posted (edited)

NA has failed to impress, imo. Yes, we've won quite a few games, but not many against the quality opposition in this division, so I am left underwhelmed and doubting out ability to compete for the play offs (auto promotion is gone, imo).

 

HOWEVER....

 

 

This is a myth that's peddled on here with clockwork regularity. From the games with teams above us in the league, NA has taken 14 from 7 games. 2 points a game is not a bad haul. Throw in the fact that we have a striker who's only got one (deflected) goal from open play this season, compared to 12 this time last season, an attacking force generally blighted by injury and little or no pace in areas we can hurt teams (except for a 17-year old who'll get injured if he continues to be flogged this hard), I think it could have been a whole lot worse. One consolation is that NA has a knack of discovering decent forwards in the transfer market.

 

Look at an area where we do have some depth, defense, we probably have the best record in the league under NA (for the season as a whole, we're ranked 3rd). The idea that some are some arent giving him the benefit of the doubt until he's had at least one transfer window to change/tweak the hand he inherited is madness, mindful that the market will be pretty thin in Jan.

 

The one thing the club can help itself by doing is not to be choosey and insist were only going for players that can also get us out of championship. That attitude would be hard to defend. We need players here and now.

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Posted

Ricky Lambert is NA's no.1 conundrum, get him to start scoring and we go up the table, NA is a hero and everyone goes home with a big happy grin on their face.

 

If NA can't get big Ricky up and running then we tread water, NA is a zero and all the moaners come out in the virtual world.

 

AP got Ricky scoring and we did well, NA's yardstick has already been set.

 

At this moment in time he hasn't managed it but I'm still hopeful because I like the guy.

Posted
FFS lets give a manager some time, we are in the third division for a reason, do people honestly think that even an Alex Fergusson or Morinhio (sp), could do better with the players available. Yes we are not running away with this league, but would yet another change in management work. Pardew under performed, and for what ever reason has gone, yet still the deluded think we should be walking it. Would Lambert be playing better under Pardew, who knows? Give Adkins the january window and see what he does, this is when we can get permenant players in. Loan players do not seem to be the answer. Puncheon was good when he was trying for a contract, but once obtained was sh1t. If we had won saturday the mood would be different, but we were missing Fonte, Barnard, Chaplow and had no other FIT strikers available on the bench. Are we that far behind the top two, I don't think so!

 

 

You win the £10 book token for the 3,000th airing of the "Mourinho wouldn't do any better" line. Well done.

 

And the answer, of course, is yes they would do much better. There is a reason why Nigel Adkins didn't get the Inter Milan or Real Madrid jobs in recent years.

Posted

Look, it simply about winning games of football. Nigel Adkins knows that winning games of football is all that counts and since he has come into the building he has worked very hard so that we win games of football. Nigel Adkins has a good set of lads who are all working hard to win games of football and when we win games of football Nigel Adkins will make the fans very happy. This club is special with a good support lets all work together and win some games of football.

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