NA's reaction

[hypochondriac]

You simply can not use this as an excuse. If Adkins is not capable of getting the best out of THIS team then he should not have been brought in AFTER the transfer window closed. It really is as simple as that. Sacking Pardew at the end of August was terrible timing at best, and will cost us our chance at promotion this season at worst.

 

Yep. Pardew knew he was going to be sacked way earlier than he was. Should have been done at the end of the season.

[John Smith]

What a shame that some posters on this board cannot look forward. Looking backward to those heady days of -10 points, or relegation from the Championship or humiliation in the Premiership must seem just like yesterday. I was having a chat with a friend yesterday and mentioned that after the loss to Carlisle, this forum will be attacking the management once again. He asked why? And I tolf him that there are too many Southampton supporters with short memories. Supporters who can;t remember only winning 10 or 11 games in a season, those that can't remember 22 games without winning a game. Certainly too many out there that can;t remember what it means to be a Saints supporter. I for one do not expect to win game after game. Not because I don;t want us to, but because since I have supported Saints, we never have. Certainly in modern times, we've not put together a string of wins of say 20 on the bounce, and yet, this is what people on here expect?

 

Question, how many games on the bounce do you expect us to win at any particular time? Is it 5 or 6 or 10 or 20?

 

Maybe a pinch of realism is needed in a game where it is a 2 horse race and there isn;t really a lot to choose between the two, unlike Haymaker v's Ordinary Harrison.

[landford.saint]

As a Manager you can prepare a team and tactics. You can work all week and then pick your best eleven. Once 3pm comes alll you can do is watch what they do, offer advice at half time and modify the tactics if the other team have changed the formation/tactics you expected them to play. You cannot go out there and play for them.

 

The players in defence did not do what was fundamentally expected of decend defenders. It was not about tactics.

 

Adkins can be questioned about players, particularly those that failed in defence. Harding has been a decent left back. He is not performing badly every game. Schneiderlin shold know how to defend. He is suposed to have a little bit of class but he is lazy.

 

We scored two goals away going forward. It was defensive mistakes, not tactics. Five in Midfield when the opposition has the ball away from home is sound. When we have the ball it should immediately become 3 up front with 2 midfield holding high up the pitch and the other forcing the game forward.

 

Saturday it was blatently obvious that tactics did have a role to play. As it does in any game of whatever sport you play. After 20 mins it was obvious to anyone that although we had the lions share of play we had no penetration. Lambert was stranded up front on his own with no one to head/pass the ball to. Start of the second half when the two wide midfield started to come forward a bit (probably after a half time b*ll*cking from NA), we showed a bit more incisiveness. However it was only when we eventually went 4-4-2 that we seemed to get going, and if changed earlier, could have got us something out of the match. We are all human and c*ckups like own goals happen. Agreed several players were below standard on saturday but we still had the skill to win that game despite this. Few teamks in this league can cope with us going forward, home or away, we should use what we have to our advantage not neuralise it like we did for 3/4 the match at Carlisle.

[del boy]

On radio solent he waffled a lot and mentioned not complicating things.......hello???????, he complicated things by trying to be too clever when there was no need.

 

If we expect to progress through the next level we should have players with the savvy to cope with 4-5-1 and a few simple instructions?

[doddisalegend]

If we expect to progress through the next level we should have players with the savvy to cope with 4-5-1 and a few simple instructions?

 

They played it last season quite well the only difference was Wotton was sat in front of the defence and we had Antonio/Papa in the side oh and Lambert was in s hit hot form (unlike at the moment) so it's not like most of the players haven't done it before.

[corky morris]

I have listened to the interview on the BBC as well & he appears quite angry. Not just at the goals, but at the suggestions 4-5-1 had anything to do with losing. For me, that is a little naive. However, it was good to hear a little passion in his voice rather than his usual tone.

[ottery st mary]

So Harding gets on the wrong side of Marshall when he was the last defender, Harding again last man, sticks out his right foot and completely miskicks, Schneiderlin loses his man in the six yd box, Three goals hardly Adkins fault. He then replaced both of them. I didn't like the 4-5-1/4-3-3 because the lone striker isn't performing or particularly mobile, The midfield three with the exception of Chaplow aren't mobile enough to help out Lambert, so I was surprised we didn't bring on another striker as soon as we went two goals down.

 

If anything maybe Adkins is being unnecessarily loyal to a striker that isn't performing and more importantly isn't putting in the necessary effort. If Adkins is open to criticism, it is trying to play a lone striker who isn't up to the job at the present time. Eventually he will have a team of players capable of playing the way he wants, but at the moment he is having to adapt and live with a team that isn't capable of playing the way both he and Cortese want it to play. He still has to get results to keep us in the promotion hunt and up to Saturday we were the best performing team in the league over the last six games.

 

 

Next two home games and our Nigel will be best manager in the world..........Like Pards last season...Although you never gave him credit. In truth NA has the same end product as Pards. Hope Nigel continues with plenty of points here on in.

 

Regarding your statement re Nigel playing to suit others.....Suggest that he trains the team selects the right players and

the right tactics for the three points each game. Regardless of what NC wants...Good football will be a bonus.

 

As I said from the the beginning... his team, and it will be his glory or failure.

 

NC will just get another manager whenever he decides it is right for the club.

 

I hope to god that he is not adapting and living with a team that isn't capable of playing the way HE wants.. Surely not..

It is ..His team and the hell they had better play the way he requires them to....Or am I being naive.

 

I begin to wonder if we would have been better sticking with Pards for this season.

 

Then again regardless of our Nigels ability..a few wins and we will all be smiling.

 

Like most fans I want him to get the results in order for us to be at the top where I believe we belong.

 

Whatever you think I still have faith in our Manager and believe we will be right there at the top sooner than later.

 

 

Come on you Saints.

 

Not so sure Watson would be a good Chief Scout though.

Then again that decision would be for Sir Les and NC..God bless them both.

[ottery st mary]

As a Manager you can prepare a team and tactics. You can work all week and then pick your best eleven. Once 3pm comes alll you can do is watch what they do, offer advice at half time and modify the tactics if the other team have changed the formation/tactics you expected them to play. You cannot go out there and play for them.

 

The players in defence did not do what was fundamentally expected of decend defenders. It was not about tactics.

 

Adkins can be questioned about players, particularly those that failed in defence. Harding has been a decent left back. He is not performing badly every game. Schneiderlin shold know how to defend. He is suposed to have a little bit of class but he is lazy.

 

We scored two goals away going forward. It was defensive mistakes, not tactics. Five in Midfield when the opposition has the ball away from home is sound. When we have the ball it should immediately become 3 up front with 2 midfield holding high up the pitch and the other forcing the game forward.

 

As we have all said many times......plan B a nd maybe even Plan c and D ready at any time during a game as required.

My concern is that he didn't adapt to the circumstances as required........Why wait til half time...About 15/20 minutes were enough for tweaking the tactics/pattern etc

 

Pointless blaming the players...If they are not doing the job or are not up to it ..then there off..He is the boss

and should manage accordingly.

 

I accept that players make mistakes but the game was there to win and the managing decisions came too little and too late..

 

You and particularly derry were berating Pards for this nearly all the time...

 

I believe Nigel is a good manager and hopefully will get us there sooner than later.

But to blame the players is not on....His team, his selection and his tactics. He should have either had Barnard up front or driven his support players further up to support Rikkee........Spiderman is my main concern in the team.....Rikeee wil respond with goals these next few games. Spiderman is a passenger and will need some careful attention/coaching.

Still strongly believe that NA will...

 

One day be as good or even better manager than Pards..just wish he would be a little more street wise.

As I said before..two wins and everything will look rosy and Nigel will become my hero again. We start the next surge now..

 

Onwards and upwards our Nigel..more points please.

 

Come on you Saints

Edited 15 November, 2010 by ottery st mary
spellin as usual

[sperm_john]

I think his reaction was the correct one, the players need to stay focused at places like Carlisle if we are to get out of this league and defensively we under performed... but its a bit 6/1 half dozen to the other as I also think NA should of had two strikers up front or if anyone was going to be the loan striker give it to Barnard or take a punt on Guly or something (a risky punt ..granted) ..On the plus side this result may have been the little sobering thought in our ear we needed before we have to handle the Posh and Brighton consecutively .. so for that reason, I wasnt too bothered ..I fancy us to get a couple of decent results against these two big teams partly because of losing at Carlisle ...all IMO of course

[Fitzhugh Fella]

As we have all said many times......plan B a nd maybe even Plan c and D ready at any time during a game as required.

My concern is that he didn't adapt to the circumstances as required........Why wait til half time...About 15/20 minutes were enough for tweaking the tactics/pattern etc

 

Pointless blaming the players...If they are not doing the job or are not up to it ..then there off..He is the boss

and should manage accordingly.

 

I accept that players make mistakes but the game was there to win and the managing decisions came too little and too late..

 

You and particularly derry were berating Pards for this nearly all the time...

 

I believe Nigel is a good manager and hopefully will get us there sooner than later.

But to blame the players is not on....His team, his selection and his tactics. He should have either had Barnard up front or driven his support players further up to support Rikkee........Spiderman is my main concern in the team.....Rikeee wil respond with goals these next few games. Spiderman is a passenger and will need some careful attention/coaching.

Still strongly believe that NA will...

 

One day be as good or even better manager than Pards..just wish he would be a little more street wise.

As I said before..two wins and everything will look rosy and Nigel will become my hero again. We start the next surge now..

 

Onwards and upwards our Nigel..more points please.

 

Come on you Saints

 

According to the Echo NA is none to happy with Schneiderlin's contribution on Saturday and blames him for not picking up his man when they scored their 3rd.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him dropped because he is I think part of the problem at present. I wonder if he has become unsettled. Something is not right.

[sfc4prem]

According to the Echo NA is none to happy with Schneiderlin's contribution on Saturday and blames him for not picking up his man when they scored their 3rd.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him dropped because he is I think part of the problem at present. I wonder if he has become unsettled. Something is not right.

 

Something to do with the St Ettienne bid perhaps? Maybe he just wants away. He doesn't suit this league at all.

[NickG]

or just not having good game?

[Window Cleaner]

According to the Echo NA is none to happy with Schneiderlin's contribution on Saturday and blames him for not picking up his man when they scored their 3rd.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him dropped because he is I think part of the problem at present. I wonder if he has become unsettled. Something is not right.

 

But he was already dropped up until last Saturday.He hasn't been right since he came back from bleuets duty to find himself dropped and replaced by Chaplow.Just started the game when Deano was suspended since then(Oldham must have been), subbed and subsequently dropped again,given 'time off against Shrewsbury' and then recalled but only because the system changed .

He might have actually wanted to go the StE, it's a good outfit now and they're riding high,would have been a good move for him but we probably priced him out of the market cos a million £ was all they could afford and then probably not all at once, no money in french football nowadays.

Edited 15 November, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[up and away]

You simply can not use this as an excuse. If Adkins is not capable of getting the best out of THIS team then he should not have been brought in AFTER the transfer window closed. It really is as simple as that. Sacking Pardew at the end of August was terrible timing at best, and will cost us our chance at promotion this season at worst.

 

If anything costs us promotion, it will be the state Pardew left the team in and the small fact that Ricky is nowhere near the player he was last season. The midfield has always had this weakness, never addressed by Pardew. Give me Adkins any day of the week.

[ottery st mary]

According to the Echo NA is none to happy with Schneiderlin's contribution on Saturday and blames him for not picking up his man when they scored their 3rd.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him dropped because he is I think part of the problem at present. I wonder if he has become unsettled. Something is not right.

 

A talented player with lots of potential...Not sure where his position is best suited if in the side.

 

Not even sure if his head is right for this level of football.

 

Had my doubts from early on when he was asked to play centre back and was quite apparent that he could not head or tackle.

 

His main asset is his passing and link up play but that seems to be spasmodic.. Confidence gone..maybe...

 

His tackles are late or non existent and therefore more likely to get bookings.

 

Personally think he wants out and has lost his heart for the cause.

 

Other options would suit the side much better.. We need an anchor midfield player.

 

Nothing personal re Spiderman but we need team players now..

[leftback]

the echo are right about na not fancying ms too much,its understandable as ms had told ap on returning from a tournament for france in the summer that he wanted to go back to France and if nobody came in for him he was going to let his deal run out and return.

Ap had reservations about ms' temperament this season especially after the mk and more specifically Yeovil sendings off, but had a clear the air talk where ms said he would give his all while still here, and ap said he would start with a clean sheet on the disciplinary front.

If na is aware of ms' intention he is entitled to be a bit ticked off with him.

So when na said he had inherited the best squad in the league, he wasnt aware of ms situation, and certainly couldnt know that rl was going to perform like a drain.

Ricky was offered a new contract in the summer by bruno,it was only an extension of his current deal with no salary increase,ap told bruno this might put rickies nose out, but the offer was still put to him.

ricky had the hump because he hadnt gone to the club looking for a new deal and thought it was a poor offer.

This manifest itself in ricky actively ignoring bruno for the whole swiss trip.

ap told him to get his head down and play well and score and he would make sure ricky got a new deal in nov /dec, if this is reason enough for ricky to be abject, then he wont get himself a move anywhere except in to the developement abyss.

 

na wasnt to know any of this when he came and i think he must be very successful in the run up to the window if he wants bruno to back him,or the "best squad in the league" quote may come back to haunt him.

 

We've got to keep winning till na can make his changes for the final push.......and no wembley this year!!

 

wether this is why ricky has been abject

[Weston Saint]

leftback, I am not sure of your motive but your posts of late give too much private information away, unless of course Lambert and Schneiderlin have said it can go in the public domain.

 

Some of this is personal HR information. You appear to lack the judgement of what to disclose and what should be kept off the forum. Someone is likely to get found out soon.

[NickG]

Reckon we are on way to championship with NA

[leftback]

leave me alone western

[saint_mears]

leftback, I am not sure of your motive but your posts of late give too much private information away, unless of course Lambert and Schneiderlin have said it can go in the public domain.

 

Some of this is personal HR information. You appear to lack the judgement of what to disclose and what should be kept off the forum. Someone is likely to get found out soon.

 

He can post what he likes.

[Saint_clark]

He can post what he likes.

 

Debatable.

 

If anything costs us promotion, it will be the state Pardew left the team in and the small fact that Ricky is nowhere near the player he was last season. The midfield has always had this weakness, never addressed by Pardew. Give me Adkins any day of the week.

 

Hmm - i'd still prefer to have Pardew in all honesty. But I can see where you're coming from.

[Weston Saint]

leave me alone western

With alacrity

[Big Bad Bob]

If anything maybe Adkins is being unnecessarily loyal to a striker that isn't performing and more importantly isn't putting in the necessary effort. If Adkins is open to criticism, it is trying to play a lone striker who isn't up to the job at the present time.

 

Derry, something from you that I can agree with 100%.

 

I can understand why he wants to stick with Lambert (just in case) but there has got to come a time to take the bull by the horns and leave him 'in the building'

[Big Bad Bob]

He can post what he likes.

 

Umm probably not, would you like your intimate dealing with your workplace splashed all over the public domain??

[Window Cleaner]

Umm probably not, would you like your intimate dealing with your workplace splashed all over the public domain??

 

as long as remains non-libellous and factual one can say what one likes provided there's no non-disclosure agreement in force.

But if the source is an employee of the club the problem is there because his discretion in matters concerning the club certainly is covered by a clause in what is basically a standard contractual obligation.

[Big Bad Bob]

as long as remains non-libellous and factual one can say what one likes provided there's no non-disclosure agreement in force.

But if the source is an employee of the club the problem is there because his discretion in matters concerning the club certainly is covered by a clause in what is basically a standard contractual obligation.

 

True, it is somehow hypocritical that he's quite happy to dish the juicy on people he (obviously) works with but gets upset that Weston is trying to out him.

 

Live by the sword etc.

[Window Cleaner]

True, it is somehow hypocritical that he's quite happy to dish the juicy on people he (obviously) works with but gets upset that Weston is trying to out him.

 

Live by the sword etc.

 

says he doesn't work for the club though, or at least I seem to remember him saying that.

[Pat from Poole]

I am not doubting the validity of leftback's comments, but am a bit puzzled about the bit that says we've got to keep winning so as to be able to make changes in the January transfer window.

 

If we actually were to keep winning, would it not be a bit odd to make loads of changes in January? (I think the squad undoubtedly needs more depth, but I'm not sure that equates to changes).

[buctootim]

I am not doubting the validity of leftback's comments, but am a bit puzzled about the bit that says we've got to keep winning so as to be able to make changes in the January transfer window.

 

If we actually were to keep winning, would it not be a bit odd to make loads of changes in January? (I think the squad undoubtedly needs more depth, but I'm not sure that equates to changes).

 

It makes sense if NA wants to start upping the quality to compete in the championship and NC would only sanction that if it looks like we will get promoted.

[SimplyRed&White]

left back seems to be drawing attention from another web site

 

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_mb.php?m=v&t=11436#60

[dune]

leave me alone western

 

He's trying to be helpful. It's nice to hear gossip, but no one wants to see you get in trouble. You'd be better off calling it a day.

[Saint_clark]

Probably best if this gets back on topic, rather than veering off into whether or not leftback is "genuine".

[leftback]

youre right dune .

i was a nob for putting the team on,didnt think opposition teams would really resort to believing a forum for team intel.

na didnt mess around resolving the punch cosby animosity.

thats freed up some money for a players wages in jan at the least.

seabourne injured now , will we stick with radi or give martin a go again,

anyone know if he cracked a rib last week?

[Matthew Le God]

i was a nob for putting the team on,didnt think opposition teams would really resort to believing a forum for team intel.

 

Problem is, you obviously do have contacts and once you have been shown to post the line up more than once, people believe you whenever you do so in the future. I think it is in the best interests of the club if you don't post any more team news in the build up to games. I know you didn't post them for any other reason than letting us know, but if other teams do catch on that Saints tactics/formation are available before the game it makes it easier for them to adjust their own tactics/personnel to counter what Saints might do. For example if they know Lambert isn't playing they may not play the hulking centre half and use someone else.

[leftback]

if we wanna win the league points gotta start with 1

" " " get promoted " " " " 9

" " " da play offs " " be 84+

 

4 strikers gotta weigh in with 55

6 mf (inc wide men) 35

10 goals from defence

 

i think we need to liven up,these next two games,v important with where bruno allows na to go with his restructuring of the best squad in the league.

seabourne out for 3 weeks now.

olly lancashire definately plays on saturday!!!

[Saint_clark]

if we wanna win the league points gotta start with 1

" " " get promoted " " " " 9

" " " da play offs " " be 84+

 

4 strikers gotta weigh in with 55

6 mf (inc wide men) 35

10 goals from defence

 

i think we need to liven up,these next two games,v important with where bruno allows na to go with his restructuring of the best squad in the league.

seabourne out for 3 weeks now.

olly lancashire definately plays on saturday!!!

 

For Walsall?

[NickG]

would prefer Martin.

[Viking Warrior]

Leftback

 

if you were having difficulties in the workplace would you want your dirty laundry aired in public because what you are doing is exactly that. You have a grudge, and are either a very disgruntled former employee, a NOW reporter, Ian Murray or even Graham Hiley

just show a degree of decorum with what you print.

 

Also I see its not only this forum you are spitting your Bile, Eh Salamander oh and should I reveal all your other identies on the other sites you frequent?

[Dutch-Saint]

I for one could not care less who stays or goes....as long as we have real players leftover who play for their club with a passion.....not just for the wages etc. I say that NA is the right man....give him time to weed out the trouble makers and or non-motivated players....trust in him, trust in saints.....!

[doddisalegend]

I for one could not care less who stays or goes....as long as we have real players leftover who play for their club with a passion.....not just for the wages etc. I say that NA is the right man....give him time to weed out the trouble makers and or non-motivated players....trust in him, trust in saints.....!

 

I think those days died the day MLT played his last game for saints such players no longer exsist in modern football.

[Pat from Poole]

Leftback

 

if you were having difficulties in the workplace would you want your dirty laundry aired in public because what you are doing is exactly that. You have a grudge, and are either a very disgruntled former employee, a NOW reporter, Ian Murray or even Graham Hiley

just show a degree of decorum with what you print.

 

Also I see its not only this forum you are spitting your Bile, Eh Salamander oh and should I reveal all your other identies on the other sites you frequent?

 

 

I am beginning to think that leftback is an agent representing a currently disgruntled player (Lambert possibly). Why else would disclosures be made about Guly being the top-paid player? There seems to be a lot of knowledge about Lambert's contract talks over the summer as well.

[dune]

I think too many people are being taken in by leftback. He's just a bitter man with an axe to grind or is on a wind up. Either way he not important and what he says should be taken with the same pinch of salt you'd take any other posters views.

[leftback]

how on earth have i got caught up in this exchange.

how can you be so ......i dont even know the word!!!!!

who are the people you refer to?

thank the lord i am unable to pay the 5 pound forum money.

 

anyone remember when frank lampard scored in a cup tie and danced round the corner flag!

just had a beta max rush

[Weston Saint]

how on earth have i got caught up in this exchange.

how can you be so ......i dont even know the word!!!!!

who are the people you refer to?

thank the lord i am unable to pay the 5 pound forum money.

 

anyone remember when frank lampard scored in a cup tie and danced round the corner flag!

just had a beta max rush

The 1980 cup one involving snr or 2009 jnr

[hypochondriac]

I think too many people are being taken in by leftback. He's just a bitter man with an axe to grind or is on a wind up. Either way he not important and what he says should be taken with the same pinch of salt you'd take any other posters views.

 

I agree. I also think it's important to make sure people don't abuse someone or totally dismiss what they have to say because of this though.

[Dalek2003]

Adkins is out of his depth and it is beginning to show.

[derry]

Adkins is out of his depth and it is beginning to show.

 

Of course it is, bring in Hoddle!

[buctootim]

The 1980 cup one involving snr or 2009 jnr

 

Just a wild guess but if hes using betamax, erm 1980?

[Give it to Ron]

Adkins is out of his depth and it is beginning to show.

 

Yeah lets replace him with a Spanish 2nd division manager. One with such a great record of being sacked from last 2 jobs!

[NickG]

Adkins is out of his depth and it is beginning to show.

 

is this where it is showing?

 

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/oform.html