Carlisle 3 - 2 Saints - post match reaction.

[THEVMAN]

I think if we are going to keep Lambert in the side (maybe a contract clause) then we need someone like Adam to be doing the donkey work around him to maybe reignite him back into action(last post of the day from a non-anorak)

[Weston Saint]

Whilst it has been touched on before i would love to see Adam being played in the hole in a more central position.I think given the ball there he would cause twice the damage that he is already causing this season,he was a little ****ed off with the amount of ball he got yesterday.

Agree. He is not being given the ball enough playing out wide. Frustrating waste of his talent.

[Window Cleaner]

Agree. He is not being given the ball enough playing out wide. Frustrating waste of his talent.

 

Wasting talent is something we've always been pretty handy at.

[Window Cleaner]

Wasting talent is something we've always been pretty handy at.

 

Although I seem to remember NA saying something in his post match about the wide men not getting in enough.

[Window Cleaner]

Interesting that in the last 3 away games, the opposition have been really up for it - Greg Abbott said it was their best performance this season. We hae got to get wise to this asap and start bullying teams in the first 15 - 20 minutes like we did alot last season.

 

Carlisle have been on a roll of late, nothing like a 6-0 thumping of a non league minnow to boost your confidence,followed by a JPT win, that's why the JPT was so important last season,it boosted moral and gave us the possibility to try things out.

[Danny R]

Interesting that in the last 3 away games, the opposition have been really up for it - Greg Abbott said it was their best performance this season. We hae got to get wise to this asap and start bullying teams in the first 15 - 20 minutes like we did alot last season.

 

To be fair, we did do this and the 5 across midfield looked really good. Unfortunately you cannot legislate for individual errors giving a team a 2-0 headstart. After that their tails were up and we looked shot to bits.

[Clifford Nelson]

Agree. He is not being given the ball enough playing out wide. Frustrating waste of his talent.

 

Every time AP played AL in the no 10 role last season he became ineffective, Ron. We know what he likes to do and what he is good at, but he needs a bit of space around him to do it, quite apart from being given the ball. From a position up front or just behind the striker his chances of going for a run will be very limited. The no 10 position is a given, but in a more 4-4-1-1 type of formation. It has to be Guly, since there is nobody in the club who can move the ball around like him, quicky and constantly. The other players have got a problem in keeping up with his the speed of constant delivery. (I can't imagine that anybody suggests that this is a position that either Barnard or Connolly would make their own. Their game is a different one. AOX seems another given on the right hand side. Him, Lallana and Guly are the three players who should see a lot of the ball.

 

One of our problems at the moment is the lack of sharpness from all our strikers. Lambert's shortcomings have been done to death, and we all agree. He just isn't in the form he was last season, so he isn't scoring. Barney's scoring record is not great. I kept banging on about how inferior it was compared to Papa Waigo last season, and I remain of the same opinion. Anybody can compare their playing and scoring record for Saints, and remember to deduct the hatful Barney scored for Southend. He is hard working, but concentrates more on winning freekicks and penalties, with varied success. He is playing a very simple game, with no finesses. Connolly cannot be relied on fitness wise, and apart from that I can't see him playing any other role than the little guy off a big man.

 

In at least one respect AP was right: Somebody has got to be brought in to cover for and give competition for Lambert.

 

The 4-4-2 system stifles us at times because it excludes a genuinely creative player in the middle of the park. The Merrington belief in the 4-4-2 is the belief in a type of football which has shufled off into history. It is really time to move on!

[Window Cleaner]

 

The 4-4-2 system stifles us at times because it excludes a genuinely creative player in the middle of the park. The Merrington belief in the 4-4-2 is the belief in a type of football which has shufled off into history. It is really time to move on!

 

 

And boy did he spend all afternoon whining about it yesterday. Bloke is a dinosaur,there must be someone more adequate than he. The other thing that gets me is when one of our lads just has to make a bad tackle and take one for the team.He goes on and on and on about saying that the club should stamp it out and discipline the culprit etc etc etc.Jeez they must have been real fairies in the teams he managed.

[St_Tel49]

I sincerely respect your opinion,but......

in my view we are so far off being a great team it is untrue.

Who did he takeover from? Dean Wilkins,under his tenure we were very poor so it was hardley a surprise there would be a slight up turn in performance considering the upheaval after Pardew left.

you are correct we will not win every week,but i expect us,with the sqaud, coupled with all that goes with it we should be much much better on the pitch.

He has done nothing to upset me,i just want the best for SFC and i do not think he is the man for the job.

The bloody blind 'materstroke appointment' and 'superb manager' 'in Adkins we trust' ******** from the moment he was linked is vomit inducing.

He took Scunny up twice,so that means he took them down once...wow,thats the best credentials ever to take the helm at SFC ISN'T IT.

Scunny and Saints are completely different animals,where is this fast free flowing football with width people were pontificating he would introduce?

We are in no way better under his stewardship than any other manager that was linked with us,yet to some he is the messiah,even before a ball was kicked in anger.

All imo,which i,like you, are entitled too.

 

I suppose that you were one of those dreaming about Martin O'Neil

[Dr Who?]

I think a point would have been a far outcome. Saying that before the game yesterday I thought we would lose 1 of the 3 games (Carlisle, Peterborough, and Brighton), so as long as we win our next two games at home, I will be happy.

 

Not to worried at all at this stage, and even less so after the other results yesterday! Could we be playing Brighton just at the right time?

[sidthesquid]

Just seen the highlights and yet again Kelvin's inability to command his six yard-box has cost us dear, (and by all accounts that was an action replay of one in the first half.) It is a serious, game-costing flaw that no amount of great reaction saves can hide, as far as I am concerned.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Anybody actually at the match can tells us some facts, i.e. who were the players making basic defensive errors? Too many people slagging Adkins off on here who can't have seen the match. LIke he said, you can play any formation you like but if we miss good chances in front of goal and concede sloppy goals, it doesn't matter what formation you play. This assumption that players always do what the manager says so it must be his fault is crazy. Anybody who manages staff knows that they often don't do what you tell them.

 

You can't come on here and talk sense, it's just not what one does.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Same sort of 4-4-1-1 that Carlisle played yesterday then. Would probably be good but in that system the front man has to be

particularly percussive.

 

Yes, and then he becomes a cymbal for the rest.

[John B]

Just seen the highlights and yet again Kelvin's inability to command his six yard-box has cost us dear, (and by all accounts that was an action replay of one in the first half.) It is a serious, game-costing flaw that no amount of great reaction saves can hide, as far as I am concerned.

 

I think you are not very objective sometimes Davis saves the team from defeat sometimes he does not that is football like Carlisle's flukey second goal if Harding had left the ball Carlisle would probably not scored

[Leicestersaint]

Poor to let in 3 goals - if we score 2 away from home we should really get a point at least. My mate who was there says the tactics were all wrong.

[Jez]

Only teams that can perform week in, week out, get promoted. And we are looking like also rans who cannot cope with the competition - again.

 

I know this is from a few pages (days) ago, but what a ridiculous statement. Probably one of your greatest. I don't remember Leeds performing week in, week out last season when they got promoted? They went 6 games without scoring at one point (I think) and god knows how many they lost in the league after they beat Man Utd in the cup around xmas time.

Just shows how stupidly high your expectations are for Saints and why you are always so depressive whenever Saints lose. I'm sure we've not heard much from you over the past month or so when Saints have been doing well, and suddenly here you are again moaning about Saints failure to get promotion.

 

I am sure when I checked the league table this morning we are currently only 4 points from the automatic promotion spot. Hardly looking like also rans currently are we?

[doddisalegend]

I know this is from a few pages (days) ago, but what a ridiculous statement. Probably one of your greatest. I don't remember Leeds performing week in, week out last season when they got promoted? They went 6 games without scoring at one point (I think) and god knows how many they lost in the league after they beat Man Utd in the cup around xmas time.

Just shows how stupidly high your expectations are for Saints and why you are always so depressive whenever Saints lose. I'm sure we've not heard much from you over the past month or so when Saints have been doing well, and suddenly here you are again moaning about Saints failure to get promotion.

 

I am sure when I checked the league table this morning we are currently only 4 points from the automatic promotion spot. Hardly looking like also rans currently are we?

 

before saturday weren't we only two points away though? of course peoples expectations are high, last season many people (not all) where prepared to except that -10 points, re-building a team and coming out of admin where reasons not expect to much from the season. This year with the money we've spent on this team and the way the team performed after christmas last season, we shouldn't be in tenth place saying "it's ok were in the mix" we should already be in the auto places IMO.

[Window Cleaner]

before saturday weren't we only two points away though? of course peoples expectations are high, last season many people (not all) where prepared to except that -10 points, re-building a team and coming out of admin where reasons not expect to much from the season. This year with the money we've spent on this team and the way the team performed after christmas last season, we shouldn't be in tenth place saying "it's ok were in the mix" we should already be in the auto places IMO.

 

but it's not the same team is it, there in lies the rub.

[Jez]

before saturday weren't we only two points away though? of course peoples expectations are high, last season many people (not all) where prepared to except that -10 points, re-building a team and coming out of admin where reasons not expect to much from the season. This year with the money we've spent on this team and the way the team performed after christmas last season, we shouldn't be in tenth place saying "it's ok were in the mix" we should already be in the auto places IMO.

 

There is 30 games to go yet, and 4 points to make up. Hardly looking like also rans are we? (yes, it's the same question as you seemed to talk around my final question and focus on us being only 4 points from auto promotion spots as a bad thing comapred with last week - we're not gonna win EVERY game!!)

[Window Cleaner]

There is 30 games to go yet, and 4 points to make up. Hardly looking like also rans are we? (yes, it's the same question as you seemed to talk around my final question and focus on us being only 4 points from auto promotion spots as a bad thing comapred with last week - we're not gonna win EVERY game!!)

 

Correct, both Brighton and Huddersfield got crapped on this week as well, now if you'd asked me on Saturday morning what I thought Brighton would do against Hartlepool I'd have said easy winners, but they lost 3-1, perhaps this is one of the problems of this league even the better teams don't have much variety in their arsenal and once their strengths and weaknesses are sussed then they are beatable.Our problems at the back are plain for all to see, lack of pace and this ridiculous zone marking system at corners because from what I can see the problem is always the same, a runner from the back slotting into the grey area between the zones and having a simple easy header against a non defender. We should go back to man for man marking at corners so that our central defenders are on the biggest threats and not up against a 3ft 2 midget who won't head the ball in a 1000 years, also tell Davis to get off his flipping line at claim the ball.

[ericofarabia]

I think a point would have been a far outcome. Saying that before the game yesterday I thought we would lose 1 of the 3 games (Carlisle, Peterborough, and Brighton), so as long as we win our next two games at home, I will be happy.

 

Not to worried at all at this stage, and even less so after the other results yesterday! Could we be playing Brighton just at the right time?

 

They are probably saying the same thing about us !!

[Window Cleaner]

They are probably saying the same thing about us !!

 

They've lost Lua Lua and have a cup replay, we really didn't look that bad from the highlights...really not, w

because they are marking some sort of area between the near post and the penalty spot.

[ericofarabia]

They've lost Lua Lua and have a cup replay, we really didn't look that bad from the highlights...really not, w

because they are marking some sort of area between the near post and the penalty spot.

 

Did I read/hear somewhere that Adkins has got them doing zonal marking rather than man for man and they don't look comfortable with it (but to be fair that'll be no change from what they were doing before, based on the amount of goals we concede from dead ball situations.)

[Window Cleaner]

Did I read/hear somewhere that Adkins has got them doing zonal marking rather than man for man and they don't look comfortable with it (but to be fair that'll be no change from what they were doing before, based on the amount of goals we concede from dead ball situations.)

 

A decent keeper would have come out and claimed that ball though anyway. It wasn't very high and it wasn't far out.As for the man on the post it was pointless, we covered the far post only, no-one on the near post at all.True the ball went in at the far post and Dan might well have cleared it if he hadn't just swung a boot at it but it was always no better than a 50/50 chance anyway.

Anyway leading up to the corner,which came from Chaplow losing a ball that he should have won,our 3 central midfielders were in a

patch about 2 yards square, that can't be right surely.

Last addition, Morgan needs to get that 5th yellow and get the suspension out of the way,for the cup game in 2 weeks if possible, it's affecting his tackling,perhaps the coaches have told him to get no more cards.

Nope one more add on, is Fonte usually good at dead ball situations? I just can't remember.

Edited 15 November, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[ottery st mary]

Spiderman defending in his own area......Your having a larf.. A liability..no strength or determination.

 

You can blame the others but MS is unable to head the ball or even get off the ground.

 

Not a defender or a defensive mid fielder.....A luxury at the moment..we can ill afford.

 

Come to think of it that applies in both areas. No point in him zonal or man to man marking in those set pieces.

 

As for tackling then ...very slow improvement. If he bothers to get there.

 

Mobility......Leave that to others..

 

Goalscoring.........

 

This lad has not progressed as expected and does not do it for the Saints.

 

Will Nigel be able to do something with our Premier league star.

Edited 15 November, 2010 by ottery st mary
spellin

[Viking Warrior]

Well that was a long drive for me. 7 hours not including the ferry crossing. And Carlisle is very much a home game for me

 

Shame we lost. I could see what NA was trying to do re his first half formation. I have notice in games I have attended so far that

teams are trying to stifle our type of play from the off. carlisle were no different, hustling our ball players to make them release the ball early.

 

AP as well as NA have commented on this and we need to be able to adapt our game from the off. Until we do I can see as giving stupid goals away.

Finally I cannot believe a number of you are sharpening your knives for NA and others heads.

perhaps you should start attending more away games. carlisle is not an easy place to get a result.

[Window Cleaner]

Here ya go, the theory behind zone marking at corners,if your keeper doesn't come for the ball you're shàgged more often that not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/rules_and_equipment/4685580.stm

[eelpie]

I think if we are going to keep Lambert in the side (maybe a contract clause) then we need someone like Adam to be doing the donkey work around him to maybe reignite him back into action(last post of the day from a non-anorak)

 

This really should not be necessary. All the team need to be working for each other. We cannot afford a passenger who has to have our best asset doing the donkey work for him.

[corky morris]

Just watched the goals again on the iplayer & the player who looks pretty poor at defending on the first 2 is Fonte. Poor header out left for the first then Harding does not track the winger. And again token gesture of a challenge as the chap crosses the ball. Morgan at fault for the 3rd & you can see he knows it when it goes in. But if you watch the run that lead to the shot that lead to the corner Chaplow, Hammond & Fonte all fail to make a tackle.

Starting to come round to the idea that it was not just the formation - just very $ H 1 T defending by us!!!

[Weston Saint]

http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/greg-my-troops-stormed-past-future-league-one-champions-1.780209?referrerPath=sport/carlisle_utd

[trousers]

http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/greg-my-troops-stormed-past-future-league-one-champions-1.780209?referrerPath=sport/carlisle_utd

 

ABBOTT: CARLISLE UTD BEAT FUTURE LEAGUE ONE CHAMPIONS

Last updated at 13:42, Monday, 15 November 2010

Greg Abbott reckons his Carlisle United heroes defeated the future League One champions with Saturday’s storming victory over Southampton.

 

Sweet

[ottery st mary]

Always knew we could do it..

 

Come on you Saints..

[Window Cleaner]

 

ABBOTT: CARLISLE UTD BEAT FUTURE LEAGUE ONE CHAMPIONS

Last updated at 13:42, Monday, 15 November 2010

Greg Abbott reckons his Carlisle United heroes defeated the future League One champions with Saturday’s storming victory over Southampton.

 

Sweet

 

He's probably right, you have to admit that going forwards we looked pretty good, going backwards...well that's something else altogether.Still think we'd have done better with Seaborne(or Martin) instead of Jaidi because he was non-existent again a side that use the ball below head height.Out of place for the 1st two goals as well. I hope we use the same formation again because I think it works.

[trousers]

3 years ago to the day...

[smackalec]

please drop fat lambo

 

Amazing

[Batman]

then it is best to reconcile to no promotion again, right now.

 

It will help to cushion the blow for the resulting pull-out of Cortese and the Liebherr family.

 

number 82453 in alpines predictions

[Sheaf Saint]

Spiderman defending in his own area......Your having a larf.. A liability..no strength or determination.

 

You can blame the others but MS is unable to head the ball or even get off the ground.

 

Not a defender or a defensive mid fielder.....A luxury at the moment..we can ill afford.

 

Come to think of it that applies in both areas. No point in him zonal or man to man marking in those set pieces.

 

As for tackling then ...very slow improvement. If he bothers to get there.

 

Mobility......Leave that to others..

 

Goalscoring.........

 

This lad has not progressed as expected and does not do it for the Saints.

 

Will Nigel be able to do something with our Premier league star.

 

Who would have believed that just two seasons later he would have the highest number of tackles or interceptions in the PL. Amazing.

[ottery st mary]

Who would have believed that just two seasons later he would have the highest number of tackles or interceptions in the PL. Amazing.

 

 

I took over his coacing one on one....

 

 

his previous coach..Window Cleaner was useless.

 

 

Always had the talent..but was lacking in heading , tackling , shooting and positional play....

 

Vast improvement during his learning curve.

 

Soooo glad I stuck with him;)

 

If only I had been given more time with Ali Dia:mcinnes:

[shurlock]

number 82453 in alpines predictions

 

Two for the price of one even.

 

:alpinehappyclapperimage:

[St. Neil]

Fleetwood 1-0 Carlisle in the JPT tonight, hope we play them in the final again.

[Dr Who?]

Classic.... Same people!

[Golac's Iron Gonads]

Classic.... Same people!

 

yeah, but now they've discovered they can cover themselves (re. Lallana) with a simple 'at the time my comments were justified'

[St.JonB]

It's amazing that some people thought Barnard was a better option than Lampard! At no point has he ever been a better player. Barnard might run about more; but surely we have always wanted more from our footballers than that?

[Noodles34]

I took over his coacing one on one....

 

 

his previous coach..Window Cleaner was useless.

 

 

Always had the talent..but was lacking in heading , tackling , shooting and positional play....

 

Vast improvement during his learning curve.

 

Soooo glad I stuck with him;)

 

If only I had been given more time with Ali Dia:mcinnes:

 

Or Gaston Ramires?

[CumbrianSaint]

I was at this game, having lived in Carlisle at the time, and the one thing I will always remember is how many Saints fans turned up and sung their heart out for a League 1 clash, with one of the furthest away journeys you can make, felt really proud that day

[Fan The Flames]

Was that the game that stopped us being Champions.

[Barry the Badger]

Things like this certainly put the Gaston criticism in perspective. You don't always know what's going on behind the scenes and sometimes players are worth persevering with.

[sandwichsaint]

A great read, 'Lambert struggling at this level', 'MS, is he any good?', 'Should Lallana be moved into the hole?' '4-4-2' 'Fonte more suited to the Prem' (prescient that one) etc etc.

 

Selection dilemmas all over - KD or Bart, Harding or Dickson, Punch or Lee Holmes? Is NA up to it?

 

We've come a long way, but a part of me will always enjoy the L1 days, some of the best times I've had as a Saints fan.

[Maggie May]

It's amazing that some people thought Barnard was a better option than Lampard! At no point has he ever been a better player. Barnard might run about more; but surely we have always wanted more from our footballers than that?

 

That's a new one.

[Saint_Tony]

Hindsight's a wonderful thing. It's easy to criticise posts from back then, but who really predicted we'd be where we are after 3 years? It brings a smile to my face to think that was just 3 years ago, incredible.