Saints/Pardew fiasco to enter spotlight

[doddisalegend]

How is Roy Hodgson the second best PL manager? what a joke.

 

edit - nevermind, it's only based on a couple of games

 

yeah it's split into four quarter seasons (and then give a final season total at the end) in the first quarter niether Nigel or Roy make it into the top 20 (Gus Poyet is in there though) they've now moved on to the second quarter of the season so not to many games have been played lets hope Nigel can keep it up.

[Wes Tender]

im not denno and i aint benanili, who i must say was the biggest a'hole ,horrible bturd in th world !!!......on the pitch....but the nicest opponent you could wish to meet after the final whistle!

 

where dya go now westin?

( and bit ****ed tonight and ive nearly declared)

played against them both though!!

 

No head bobbing up and down or Brandy in hand? She must be feeling a bit deflated, your "girl". No puncture kit to hand?

[georgeweahscousin]

im not denno and i aint benanili, who i must say was the biggest a'hole ,horrible bturd in th world !!!......on the pitch....but the nicest opponent you could wish to meet after the final whistle!

 

 

 

where dya go now westin?

( and bit ****ed tonight and ive nearly declared)

played against them both though!!

 

Olivier Barnard?

[Viking Warrior]

Minsk your spot on

 

How many of them do you know? Of all the very many I have met there was not a single thicko amongst them, and most people would be surprised by their average physique; they are not huge guys with bulging muscles.

 

I have met a fair few of these boys in the past. NI and mostly in salalah. and they are not thicko.s I had two mates (Medics) who joined the regiment. I had not seen them for a few years , we did a course together I was shocked when one of them told me he was with the regiment. He was the last person in the world who would have joined them. Not your roughy toughy type individual. So those

that mock there attributes , establish the facts first they are not thickos

[brmbrm]

im not denno and i aint benanili, who i must say was the biggest a'hole ,horrible bturd in th world !!!......on the pitch....but the nicest opponent you could wish to meet after the final whistle!

 

 

 

where dya go now westin?

( and bit ****ed tonight and ive nearly declared)

played against them both though!!

 

Aha! Not Denno, not Benanli, and a drinker! The shortlist is now down to 2!

 

(This is a bit like cluedo!)

[Wade Garrett]

im not denno and i aint benanili, who i must say was the biggest a'hole ,horrible bturd in th world !!!......on the pitch....but the nicest opponent you could wish to meet after the final whistle!

 

 

 

where dya go now westin?

( and bit ****ed tonight and ive nearly declared)

played against them both though!!

 

I couldn't give a toss who you are, but who the f*ck is benanili?

 

For the record, I am not Dennis or Benali either. But I haven't said I'm not Peter Shilton or Terry Gennoe.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I think lefback is Ottery in a cunning disguise

[capitalsaint]

i am leftback

[Dangerous Albert]

Adie Aymes ?

[buctootim]

Aha! Not Denno, not Benanli, and a drinker! The shortlist is now down to 2!

 

(This is a bit like cluedo!)

 

And likes a blowjob, that narrows it down even more.

 

oh.

[hypochondriac]

eh? surely its a pretty good indicator though. In fact a manager can be crap at everything else in the job if he wins games people will rate him.

 

Fact is though, you can bet your life that most managers in the Prem this year will have a higher win percentage than the person who finishes 17th. Now if that is someone like Blackpool then that is a remarkable achievement which in my opinion take more managerial skill than say someone like Villa finishing ninth.

[Smirking_Saint]

Fact is though, you can bet your life that most managers in the Prem this year will have a higher win percentage than the person who finishes 17th. Now if that is someone like Blackpool then that is a remarkable achievement which in my opinion take more managerial skill than say someone like Villa finishing ninth.

 

I hate to reply, but i agree with this.

 

Unfortunately some people just don't see this and only see win % as some sort of measuring stick without looking at the whole situation.

[hypochondriac]

I hate to reply, but i agree with this.

 

Unfortunately some people just don't see this and only see win % as some sort of measuring stick without looking at the whole situation.

 

I'll let you off if you're agreeing with me.

[JackFrost]

I hate to reply, but i agree with this.

 

Unfortunately some people just don't see this and only see win % as some sort of measuring stick without looking at the whole situation.

 

Agree also.

 

I don't want to get into the whole debate again but it's why I thought Pearson did a better job than Burley here considering the respective circumstances they were in, even though Pearson's win percentage was lower.

[benjii]

I am Duncan Spedding.

[Window Cleaner]

And likes a blowjob, that narrows it down even more.

 

oh.

 

Are there blokes who don't then??? 8th wonder of the world...a well executed BJ.

[Frank's cousin]

Why does anyone really care? And sadly why does this sort of thing always result in taking sides, more bolox vitriol and a black and white speculation fest?

 

What we know is very little, and that is how it should be - We know that NC and AP did not get on... for whatever reason ... there could be something tangible or just a personality clash - but it was not something that would go away. Now most fans always side with the manager against the board.... why the need to take any side? A decision was made to make a change and NC will be judged on whether the cahnge is successful or fails - end of.

 

Why is it whenever these things happen, out of the woodwork pop thsoe with agendas of their own and start spouting to anyone who will listen?

 

AP was a good manager for Saints - he put together a squad that by the end of last season was probably the best in the league. NC made a change and now he carries the responsibilty as well as ensuring NA gets the same support - if we can afford it and NA makes good choices, then it will all be well and good. NOt really sure why so many feel obliged to side with one side or another? Pls explain? this is life, these things happen, and so to me its a non strory. Yes I was surprised, yes I rated Pards as he had a done a good job, that does not change. But I also believe NC is doing a good job and is right to act if he feels the management team relationship has broken down - FOR WHATEVER REASON - as it never leads to good things if you just let it fester either because of concerns about fan reaction or media speculation.

 

Whenever there is change in a club, business, there are some that will get it, others that dont, some will have noses put out of joint as the new regime implements plans that theyr either disagree with or simply dont get. The problem in football is when fan favourites, ex players and managers, use thsi as an excuse for a return to the media spotlight and are negative about it - because we tend to fololow the heart and believe way too much that is said and forget that our 'heroes' might have their own agenda...

 

AP - good manager, did well sad to see him go

NA - good manager - doing well and glad we have him on board

NC - probably a hard taskmaster, driven, and unlikely to be easy to get on with if you dont support the plan - but doing a good job in my opinion.

 

What is the problem?

[ottery st mary]

Frank may I dare to suggest you are totally correct......The majority of fans would agree with your statement..

 

I for one agree 100% with the above......

 

For me it is the next game and 3 points please..

 

Come on Saints.

 

WIFM

[benjii]

Why does anyone really care? And sadly why does this sort of thing always result in taking sides, more bolox vitriol and a black and white speculation fest?

 

What we know is very little, and that is how it should be - We know that NC and AP did not get on... for whatever reason ... there could be something tangible or just a personality clash - but it was not something that would go away. Now most fans always side with the manager against the board.... why the need to take any side? A decision was made to make a change and NC will be judged on whether the cahnge is successful or fails - end of.

 

Why is it whenever these things happen, out of the woodwork pop thsoe with agendas of their own and start spouting to anyone who will listen?

 

AP was a good manager for Saints - he put together a squad that by the end of last season was probably the best in the league. NC made a change and now he carries the responsibilty as well as ensuring NA gets the same support - if we can afford it and NA makes good choices, then it will all be well and good. NOt really sure why so many feel obliged to side with one side or another? Pls explain? this is life, these things happen, and so to me its a non strory. Yes I was surprised, yes I rated Pards as he had a done a good job, that does not change. But I also believe NC is doing a good job and is right to act if he feels the management team relationship has broken down - FOR WHATEVER REASON - as it never leads to good things if you just let it fester either because of concerns about fan reaction or media speculation.

 

Whenever there is change in a club, business, there are some that will get it, others that dont, some will have noses put out of joint as the new regime implements plans that theyr either disagree with or simply dont get. The problem in football is when fan favourites, ex players and managers, use thsi as an excuse for a return to the media spotlight and are negative about it - because we tend to fololow the heart and believe way too much that is said and forget that our 'heroes' might have their own agenda...

 

AP - good manager, did well sad to see him go

NA - good manager - doing well and glad we have him on board

NC - probably a hard taskmaster, driven, and unlikely to be easy to get on with if you dont support the plan - but doing a good job in my opinion.

 

What is the problem?

 

Outer casing of a nut.

[Legod Third Coming]

Outer casing of a nut.

 

Yep. No argument from me.

Now let's just get on with the job!!

[Toadhall Saint]

Frank may I dare to suggest you are totally correct......The majority of fans would agree with your statement..

 

I for one agree 100% with the above......

 

For me it is the next game and 3 points please..

 

Come on Saints.

 

WIFM

 

Abso bleedin' lutely!

[doddisalegend]

I hate to reply, but i agree with this.

 

Unfortunately some people just don't see this and only see win % as some sort of measuring stick without looking at the whole situation.

 

By that thought process our Nigels not that good then becuase he has a massive advantage over every other manager bar Lee Clarke, makes Poyet look even better. At the end of the day the succsess of a manager is judged in games won (which in turn will relate to titles and trophies) weather he does it like Eddie Howe on no budget or like numerous Chelsea bosses with a **** load of cash doesn't matter as long as they get results.

[hypochondriac]

By that thought process our Nigels not that good then becuase he has a massive advantage over every other manager bar Lee Clarke, makes Poyet look even better. At the end of the day the succsess of a manager is judged in games won (which in turn will relate to titles and trophies) weather he does it like Eddie Howe on no budget or like numerous Chelsea bosses with a **** load of cash doesn't matter as long as they get results.

 

You still won't convince me that win percentage is the best factor to judge managerial ability

[Mowgli]

Largely agree with Frank - certainly with the sentiments. Not so sure about NC / AP not getting on though. Some have suggested NC defended him when Markus wanted him out. No doubt that something happened to casue a rift leading to the dismissal but up until then.... ...who knows? Does it matter anyway?

[Smirking_Saint]

By that thought process our Nigels not that good then becuase he has a massive advantage over every other manager bar Lee Clarke, makes Poyet look even better. At the end of the day the succsess of a manager is judged in games won (which in turn will relate to titles and trophies) weather he does it like Eddie Howe on no budget or like numerous Chelsea bosses with a **** load of cash doesn't matter as long as they get results.

 

Not really, Poyet has done a fantastic job atm and far better then our Nigel has done, at the end of the day anyone should be able to get us promoted from this league with the team and cash we have and anyone that does it would not be doing a groundbreaking job. Perhaps if he then goes and wins the Championship then i will say he is indeed a fantastic manager. His achievements at S****horpe for me are a far better achievement then Norwich tearing the league apart last year.

 

Win % are relevant to the situation at the club, the top teams are always going to get fantastic win percentages as they have the squads and money to back it up. Holloways achievement is far better then Chelsea winning the league for instance and if he keeps them in the prem then wow, even better. Twitchy Redknapp also recieved manager of the year last year and was well worth it for breaking into the top 4 with Tottenham.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I am Duncan Spedding.

 

What are you doing now apart from winding people up on a forum - I need to update my records.

[doddisalegend]

Not really, Poyet has done a fantastic job atm and far better then our Nigel has done, at the end of the day anyone should be able to get us promoted from this league with the team and cash we have and anyone that does it would not be doing a groundbreaking job. Perhaps if he then goes and wins the Championship then i will say he is indeed a fantastic manager. His achievements at S****horpe for me are a far better achievement then Norwich tearing the league apart last year.

 

Win % are relevant to the situation at the club, the top teams are always going to get fantastic win percentages as they have the squads and money to back it up. Holloways achievement is far better then Chelsea winning the league for instance and if he keeps them in the prem then wow, even better. Twitchy Redknapp also recieved manager of the year last year and was well worth it for breaking into the top 4 with Tottenham.

 

and how's he going to do that if its not by winning games? He got to the prem by winning games, Redknapp got into the top four by winning games. Winning games is the single most important thing a manager does. Talking of Redknapp he broke into the top four by spending a shed load of cash so surely that makes his achievment less? I agree win percentages aren't the whole story but at the end of the day everyone want's a manager with a high win ratio regardless of wheather it's achieved on a huge budget or none at all.

[ottery st mary]

I think lefback is Ottery in a cunning disguise

 

His English is much betta than mine...

 

I am only left back when the manager moves me over from my usual right back in the stand slot..

 

Would be interested to know who is the real FF......

 

Then again with all your ITK.... Duncan you could be left back but with an attacking bent..against poor defenceless young posters like me........BULLY..

 

 

Anyway thought Weston identified him as a cricket player/ex or fan going on the Ashes tour......Wish I had that much money and time...

 

ER indoors wouldn't let me go anyway..

 

Then again your English is slightly better than the real left back..

 

Come on you Saints.

 

WIFM

Edited 13 November, 2010 by ottery st mary
spellin and forgot the Ashes info

[ottery st mary]

I could be left back but am much younger and far better looking.

[Dalek2003]

It amazes me how some people can't let go and just get on with the future.

 

After all does it really matter whether we know the truth of what really happened ? Why don't we just re-write history so that it is all nice and rosy ?

[St Chalet]

The 'who is leftback' debate is very interesting. It is right up there with classic ITK teases like Help Me Rhonda and Tommac

[Window Cleaner]

The 'who is leftback' debate is very interesting. It is right up there with classic ITK teases like Help Me Rhonda and Tommac

 

except that LB knows stuff,unlike the other pair of charlatans..amusing though they were.

[Windmill Arm 2]

I had heard about the punches etc, i had heard that the whole Pardew sleeping with someone was all b*llocks but there was some sort of training ground bust up resulting in Pardews coaching techniques.

 

Whether it come out or not, the more i think about it the more id rather it didn't, part of me wants it to come out in order to put it all to bed, but a lot of me would rather it stays hidden, at the very least until the season is over.

 

The team has managed to rise above any rumours, incidents, upset at removal or whatever it was and seems to be moving towards an in form march up the league, the last thing we need right now is more destabilization IMO.

 

This whole incident will not be as black and white as it appears, i would imagine that neither Pardew nor Cortese would come out particularly well as was suggested.

 

The important thing is that appointing Adkins seems to have been a winning idea and now all efforts to help him achieve the goal of winning the league (or atleast being promoted) should be done.

PARDEWS A VIRGIN ?????????????

[St Chalet]

except that LB knows stuff,unlike the other pair of charlatans..amusing though they were.

 

Valid point. Looking forward to seeing if his team news is correct again.

[Window Cleaner]

Valid point. Looking forward to seeing if his team news is correct again.

 

I don't doubt that it will be,he's (or she's) usually spot on.Unless of course NA knows there's a leak and is feeding duff info,but the bibs would tend to indicate that the game plan is as he says.

[St Chalet]

im not denno and i aint benanili, who i must say was the biggest a'hole ,horrible bturd in th world !!!......on the pitch....but the nicest opponent you could wish to meet after the final whistle!

 

 

 

where dya go now westin?

( and bit ****ed tonight and ive nearly declared)

played against them both though!!

 

Declared, sounds like a cricketing term to me....

Hmm which Southampton school did Benali go to?

'Denno', calling him by a nickname you might have been quite close, even fleetingly.

[Red and White Army]

Hmm which Southampton school did Benali go to?

 

Benali was a Bellemoor boy.

[Legod Third Coming]

and how's he going to do that if its not by winning games? He got to the prem by winning games, Redknapp got into the top four by winning games. Winning games is the single most important thing a manager does. Talking of Redknapp he broke into the top four by spending a shed load of cash so surely that makes his achievment less? I agree win percentages aren't the whole story but at the end of the day everyone want's a manager with a high win ratio regardless of wheather it's achieved on a huge budget or none at all.

 

You are right.

 

Anyone need only look at Mourinho's win ratio versus Scolari's at Chelsea to see that it is the MANAGER who creates the victories not the environment.

 

What seems to be the case here is that people are saying Mourinho is a worse manager than Gus Poyet because Mourinho always has access to large resources at a world leading club.

 

Patently this is cobblers. He is in those positions because he is among the best managers in the world, if not the best and Gus Poyet is not. He may well be one day, but today he is not.

 

Over very short periods it is fair to see that managers can do better than pure results suggest because of their circumstances, but in the long run the managers who win most matches are the best. Anyone who says otherwise is mad because they are using a measure of success that noone in the world of football does. You appoint a manager BECAUSE he WINS matches - we appointed Nigel Adkins because he WON A DISPROPORTIONATELY HIGH number of matches.

 

So win ratio is actually even more important than some people claim because if a manager is in a 'poor' club yet still wins a high number of matches then he is de factor an even better manager.

 

This is so common sensical that I cannot really comprehend why people are arguing with it. What they're saying is Holloway is a better manager than Houllier. He's not. That's why Houllier has a trophy cabinet full of medals and Holloway doesn't. (And I say that as a passionate Holloway fan).

[Made in Southampton]

The 'who is leftback' debate is very interesting. It is right up there with classic ITK teases like Help Me Rhonda and Tommac

 

I'm Leftback and so's my wife.

[dronskisaint]

Why does anyone really care? And sadly why does this sort of thing always result in taking sides, more bolox vitriol and a black and white speculation fest?

 

What we know is very little, and that is how it should be - We know that NC and AP did not get on... for whatever reason ... there could be something tangible or just a personality clash - but it was not something that would go away. Now most fans always side with the manager against the board.... why the need to take any side? A decision was made to make a change and NC will be judged on whether the cahnge is successful or fails - end of.

 

Why is it whenever these things happen, out of the woodwork pop thsoe with agendas of their own and start spouting to anyone who will listen?

 

AP was a good manager for Saints - he put together a squad that by the end of last season was probably the best in the league. NC made a change and now he carries the responsibilty as well as ensuring NA gets the same support - if we can afford it and NA makes good choices, then it will all be well and good. NOt really sure why so many feel obliged to side with one side or another? Pls explain? this is life, these things happen, and so to me its a non strory. Yes I was surprised, yes I rated Pards as he had a done a good job, that does not change. But I also believe NC is doing a good job and is right to act if he feels the management team relationship has broken down - FOR WHATEVER REASON - as it never leads to good things if you just let it fester either because of concerns about fan reaction or media speculation.

 

Whenever there is change in a club, business, there are some that will get it, others that dont, some will have noses put out of joint as the new regime implements plans that theyr either disagree with or simply dont get. The problem in football is when fan favourites, ex players and managers, use thsi as an excuse for a return to the media spotlight and are negative about it - because we tend to fololow the heart and believe way too much that is said and forget that our 'heroes' might have their own agenda...

 

AP - good manager, did well sad to see him go

NA - good manager - doing well and glad we have him on board

NC - probably a hard taskmaster, driven, and unlikely to be easy to get on with if you dont support the plan - but doing a good job in my opinion.

 

What is the problem?

 

Perfectly put 100% agree

[Thedelldays]

and how's he going to do that if its not by winning games? He got to the prem by winning games, Redknapp got into the top four by winning games. Winning games is the single most important thing a manager does. Talking of Redknapp he broke into the top four by spending a shed load of cash so surely that makes his achievment less? I agree win percentages aren't the whole story but at the end of the day everyone want's a manager with a high win ratio regardless of wheather it's achieved on a huge budget or none at all.

 

 

did he..?

[Gingeletiss]

It amazes me how some people can't let go and just get on with the future.

 

After all does it really matter whether we know the truth of what really happened ? Why don't we just re-write history so that it is all nice and rosy ?

 

Still funny!, can't see why people don't get you metal man!.

[The Kraken]

did he..?

 

Yes, he did...

 

2008/09

Inherited £40M of players signed in the summer by Ramos (Bentley, Corluka, Pavluchenko etc.) and he signed:

Jermain Defoe £15M

Wilson Palacios £12M

Carlo Cudicini Free

Pascal Chimponda £3M

Robbie Keane £12M

 

2009/10

Kyle Naughton Undisclosed

Kyle Walker Undisclosed

Peter Crouch £9M

Sebastien Bassong £8M

Niko Kranjcar £2M

Jimmy Walker Free

Younes Kaboul £5M

Sandro £8M

So yes, I think its fair to say that Redknapp spent quite a bit of money at Tottenham.

[Window Cleaner]

Yes, he did...

 

2008/09

Inherited £40M of players signed in the summer by Ramos (Bentley, Corluka, Pavluchenko etc.) and he signed:

Jermain Defoe £15M

Wilson Palacios £12M

Carlo Cudicini Free

Pascal Chimponda £3M

Robbie Keane £12M

 

2009/10

Kyle Naughton Undisclosed

Kyle Walker Undisclosed

Peter Crouch £9M

Sebastien Bassong £8M

Niko Kranjcar £2M

Jimmy Walker Free

Younes Kaboul £5M

Sandro £8M

So yes, I think its fair to say that Redknapp spent quite a bit of money at Tottenham.

 

most of it now being paid off due to a whirl in the CL

[The Kraken]

most of it now being paid off due to a whirl in the CL

 

Of course; but that wasn't the original point. It was that Spurs/Redknapp have spent a hell of a lot of money to break into the top 4.

[Window Cleaner]

Of course; but that wasn't the original point. It was that Spurs/Redknapp have spent a hell of a lot of money to break into the top 4.

 

As you now have to because the game at the top is now played in a certain way and if you haven't the right personnel you can't play the game at that level. Just been watching Villa/Utd ,completely unwatchable because they're both trying to play a game with players that don't know what they're supposed to be doing,British players trying to play non-British football.

[The Kraken]

As you now have to because the game at the top is now played in a certain way and if you haven't the right personnel you can't play the game at that level. Just been watching Villa/Utd ,completely unwatchable because they're both trying to play a game with players that don't know what they're supposed to be doing,British players trying to play non-British football.

 

I don't disagree. Even Arsenal, who are considered to be small spenders in the transfer market relative to their position, have spent over £50M on players in the last 2 years.

 

It's kind of why its a bit of a paradox supporting Saints at the moment. While we of course aspire to be as good as we can be and in the highest division, I've enjoyed going to watch games in league 1 at least as much as when we were in the PL, sometimes I've enjoyed it more. There's a lot to be said for lower league football, even if the ultimate aim is to leave it behind.

[Window Cleaner]

There certainly is something to be said for lower league football from a spectators point of view because a lot of EPL games are complete crap, either because the sides are too unevenly matched or that certain have 3 or 4 weak links in a side that would otherwise be attractive to watch (like Wes Brown and John O'Shea).

[The Kraken]

Agreed. Sky bang on about it being the "best league in the world TM". Stoke v Blackburn, Blackpool v Wigan, Birmingham v Wolves, Bolton v West Brom. I wouldn't pay money to be anywhere near games like that.

 

Give me a trip to Dagenham & Redbridge any day!