Saints/Pardew fiasco to enter spotlight

[Saint J 77]

Let me guess, they'll wait until we're doing well (top 2) and then drop the bomb to fck our season up?

 

Cnts.

 

They are a bunch of c u next tuesdays arent they. They know what they are doing, they just want to ruin another season for us by unsettling the team just as we are finding our form.

[Window Cleaner]

They are a bunch of c u next tuesdays arent they. They know what they are doing, they just want to ruin another season for us by unsettling the team just as we are finding our form.

 

''they" don't give a toss about SFC anyway,and they won't until we reach a respectable level of football again. Why to the dailys I'm sure that the doings of the Ashes squad,what Rooney had for lunch or ever the sacking of an NFL coach are far more important than some obscure happening at SFC.

[Legod Third Coming]

''they" don't give a toss about SFC anyway,and they won't until we reach a respectable level of football again. Why to the dailys I'm sure that the doings of the Ashes squad,what Rooney had for lunch or ever the sacking of an NFL coach are far more important than some obscure happening at SFC.

 

To the dailies, the colour of SamCam's knickers is more signifcant than what goes on at SFC.

20,000 people pay money to watch our club - hardly likely to burst their income banks running a story about us is it?!

[Smirking_Saint]

To the dailies, the colour of SamCam's knickers is more signifcant than what goes on at SFC.

20,000 people pay money to watch our club - hardly likely to burst their income banks running a story about us is it?!

 

Unless it is massively ground breaking most of the red tops won't really give a toss, unless it is a slow news week.

Also, if they really wanted to run the story the only reason they would be waiting would be for some legal hold up.

 

The daily echo would probably love to print something though.

[Window Cleaner]

To the dailies, the colour of SamCam's knickers is more signifcant than what goes on at SFC.

20,000 people pay money to watch our club - hardly likely to burst their income banks running a story about us is it?!

 

Exactly, which is why I can't quite understand all this grannying about some hypothetical and future newspaper article affecting our promotion chances.

[NickG]

If you dont believe anything ive ever written on here please believe this,there was never any incident of a fight or a punch thrown by either ap or wd and players,or a fight between any players,unusual for any club!!

 

In fact it was only the atmosphere that permeated between bruno and ap that caused any problems, and that was only the demotivation of the tg staff,which inevitably filtered through to players,but which ap had numerous meetings emphasising the need for sticking together as a group, and not letting any of that affect the seasons only goal...the title.

 

The lads were 100% behind ap and you can see that from the results that followed immediately.I know they are well payed pros who should play for the jersey,but there it is, they DIDNT, for the entire magnificent wilkins era!!

 

Now we ARE playing for na so they are not a bad bunch, and to say there was offfield trouble is obviously somebody trying to justify the sacking for some reason....my thoughts are too obvious to print!!!!

 

Its a poor briefing if its true,done by somebody who isnt very media savvy and badly advised by their pr team,only if its true though.

 

On another matter, has there been any verification or news on the chief scout info i put on here, i know he's gone, but have we got another one in, as the window is approaching?

Or are we wholly reliant on our transfer committee /talent identification strategist guru supremo department?.

 

if what you are saying is true, then clearly Pardew and his team had to go. You cannot have a demotivated management team.

 

looking forward...

[NickG]

Seems easy to understand as far as I am concerned.

 

There was no fight. Pardew and Cortese did not get on. Training staff demotivated which fed into the players BUT they were 100% behind Pardew.

 

I had heard similar things.

 

again, another source saying management team demotivated - had to go unfortunately.

[hypochondriac]

if what you are saying is true, then clearly Pardew and his team had to go. You cannot have a demotivated management team.

 

looking forward...

 

Of course. I think the reasons why they were demotivated is the interesting bit.

[Weston Saint]

again, another source saying management team demotivated - had to go unfortunately.

Perhaps I should add that I heard this from outside the club from a source close to the echo. Players demotivation was not not part of it.

[Hamilton Saint]

"Not Pardew" as in 'Pardew wasn't punched' or "not Pardew" as in 'Not punched by Pardew"? Or both?

 

The original statement: "Somebody was punched. Not Pardew."

 

This means that Pardew was not the "somebody" who was punched. [Passive voice indicates the subject receiving the action.]

 

If the intended meaning was that Pardew did not throw the punch, the original staement would have been: "Somebody was punched. But not by Pardew."

 

HTH!

[NickG]

Perhaps I should add that I heard this from outside the club from a source close to the echo. Players demotivation was not not part of it.

 

they would be tho if manager is.

[NickG]

Of course. I think the reasons why they were demotivated is the interesting bit.

 

which is either some random incident we know nothing of (which may fit in with strange timing) or just lack of working relationship with Cortesse, and as at every club the solution is always going to be new manager

[Toadhall Saint]

The thing is toadhall, if the 'outsiders' you speak of are football people or the media, then they all know the story anyway, regardless of whether it 'comes out'.

 

And what point does it serve? Not to the betterment of SFC.

[Jimmy Gabriel's Halo]

Take this exactly how you want to.

 

I spoke to somebody today who works for the Daily Telegraph. He told me that the truth behind the Pardew dismissal will be entering the public domain at some point and that several papers are biding their time before printing.

 

He wouldn't tell me what he knew except that:-

 

Neither the club or Pardew come out of it looking good.

Somebody was punched. Not Pardew.

It will be upsetting to some people at the club.

 

Like I said make of it what you will. I have taken it with a pinch of salt.

 

Unfortunately, this does not explain why all three were sacked at the same time. BS I'm afraid.

[Legod Third Coming]

I don't want to rake over old ground but which players were apaprently demotivated? Was it the ones who were dropped for being fecking clueless by any chance?

None of them looked too dispirited when we played well but were held by Orient or thumped Bristol...

 

Of course, maybe that 4-0 win was the wake-up call the squad needed to remind themselves how downhearted they were!!

 

By contrast, the moment Pardew had gone they looked like someone had promised them a bunk up in a lesbian leper colony...

[hypochondriac]

which is either some random incident we know nothing of (which may fit in with strange timing) or just lack of working relationship with Cortesse, and as at every club the solution is always going to be new manager

 

We know nothing of yet. It's why the original post is potentially interesting. We shall see I suppose.

[Dalek2003]

Is this relevant to the reasons for Glenn Hoddle not being appointed in 2004 ?

 

If not, why not ?

[latter day saint]

^^ you need professional help !

[Legod Third Coming]

^^ you need professional help !

 

Even amateur help would help!

[Topcat]

To the dailies, the colour of SamCam's knickers is more signifcant than what goes on at SFC.

20,000 people pay money to watch our club - hardly likely to burst their income banks running a story about us is it?!

 

Has she started wearing them these days?

[Thedelldays]

who really cares.?

 

pardew has gone..time to move on

[Legod Third Coming]

Has she started wearing them these days?

 

Where did I suggest SHE wears them...

[merrimd]

Is this relevant to the reasons for Glenn Hoddle not being appointed in 2004 ?

 

If not, why not ?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[NickG]

Pardew punched Fonte's wife when she said Hoddle is a better manager.

[Deppo]

To be precise I heard about someone (maybe pardew) going public about his sacking and that neither looked very good. Heard nothing about punches though.

 

Thanks for being so precise Hypochondriac. It's always good to hear from reliable ITK's. I also think that there's something to be said for ITKers who have integrity and don't just spill whatever information they have until someone else has said the exct same thing earlier.

[dubai_phil]

Pardew punched Fonte's wife when she said Hoddle is a better manager.

 

So there it is in writing suitable for all the press and the lawyers to read it as it says. AP did it to Fonte's Misses.

 

Followed by

 

Fonte's Misses would like to work under Hoddle

 

I so should have been a journo - such an easy game

 

 

 

No, obviously those are not misspellings. To have spelt it correctly would have been to infer a libellous interpretation of another posters libellous interpretation of an allegation.

[lambertsrightleg]

in all fairness left back is the only person on here that i believe with naysort of inside knowledge. which is why i was dissapointed to find out that you are unable to reach him via pm as I could have done with some insight into a credible stroy I heard about Pardew's sacking

[Secret Site Agent]

One thing we do know.......No paper would publish ahead of the others to get a scoop, would they? Also, as we know, when you ask a paper to delay publishing an item, they will always follow your wishes, Like that paragon of Virtue, The Echo.

 

This thing would have been leaked like a sieve by now if true and publishable without the sanction of Legal Action.

[whizzpop]

On another matter, has there been any verification or news on the chief scout info i put on here, i know he's gone, but have we got another one in, as the window is approaching?

Or are we wholly reliant on our transfer committee /talent identification strategist guru supremo department?.

 

I've heard that a former striker of ours from the 90s is going for the post of chief scout

[Johnny Bognor]

Is this relevant to the reasons for Glenn Hoddle not being appointed in 2004 ?

 

If not, why not ?

 

Glen Hoddle was a chicken in a former life and therefore the concept of Nandos is tantamount to cannibalism. Does this answer your question?

[FloridaMarlin]

Normally to retain an ex-employee's silence and to enforce a Non Disclosure Agreement anything outstanding on a contract is paid out monthly over the remaining period.

 

I'm told Saints paid Pardew up all in one hit. Now he's got the money in his bank account, there's little stopping him spilling the beans if he wanted to.

 

The fact that Saints did pay him all in one go hints that they think he either has nothing to sell, or that if it does he won't come out of it very well either.

[St Chalet]

As others have mentioned, why keep a story inder wraps in case one of your rivals breaks it?

 

Anyway, going with the assumption that something is being held back, perhaps it is being held to break when Pardew gets his next role, as opposed to when we would be more in the spotlight.

[washsaint]

Who cares - he was a 3rd rate, billy big B*****s manager and we now have an articulate, potentially excellent manager who has turned this team round.

 

Could not care less about Pardew - he's history (and a good job too)

[leftback]

I didnt say the management staff were demotivated,it was the ancilliary staff ,physios ,analysts,secretaries,masseurs,kit men,cleaners ,cooks all treated appallingly and banned from eating and mixing with the players, and made not to be part of the football side of things.

 

These people are all really important to the mood /vibe at any TG. of course the mood is mainly down to results ,but there was a great sense of injustice around, and the senior staff were constantly trying to keep moral up everywhere.

 

The new staff who were appointed during the summer were responsible for the separatist "them and us ' mentality, I was told on a daily basis of how it wasnt a comfortable place to work.

i was hopefull that had now lifted with ap and his coaches gone,but there is still a resentment to how they were/ are treated.

 

Sorry if that was unclear.

 

LR and DB(who he!) were in cobham today conducting an interview for chief scout. cobham where chelsea train, bit of an obvious place if were nicking one of their staff!!!

 

I see Blackman scored a hat trick for mwell today, this was amassive bust up with cortese and ap as i posted ages ago, apparently downes had it all set up with allardyce and he was flying down from manchester but bruno knocked it back at the last minute because ap wouldnt take the 36 yr old italian,Ive forgotten his name now!!!

 

oh and by the way western i have never played for Saints!

sorry if i made that unclear.

[NickG]

At the moment the team are doing well.

 

That is the main (and almost sole) thing that matters.

 

I would love St Marys to be happy place, but if its not then it concerns me no more than whether people are happy at,for example, B&Q - as long as the manager is happy, well supported and the players are performing and want to stay.

 

The current run, and the recent recruiting of Chaplow, suggests things are pretty good within the club at the moment, and hopefully it will continue.

Edited 11 November, 2010 by NickG

[SaintBobby]

They are a bunch of c u next tuesdays arent they. They know what they are doing, they just want to ruin another season for us by unsettling the team just as we are finding our form.

 

Yep, Rupert Murdoch pays 100s of journalists to work just on this story. In order to ruin your day. True story.

[Gingeletiss]

Thanks for being so precise Hypochondriac. It's always good to hear from reliable ITK's. I also think that there's something to be said for ITKers who have integrity and don't just spill whatever information they have until someone else has said the exct same thing earlier.

 

 

A whopping big LOL!....saved me posting it.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

The Daily Telegraph is a right-wing newspaper ergo it won't be accurate.

 

;-)

I'd stick with the Mail

[saint lard]

Who cares - he was a 3rd rate, billy big B*****s manager and we now have an articulate, potentially excellent manager who has turned this team round.

 

Could not care less about Pardew - he's history (and a good job too)

 

I guess i will have to agree to disagree on all points of your post.

[sandwichsaint]

Who cares - he was a 3rd rate, billy big B*****s manager and we now have an articulate, potentially excellent manager who has turned this team round.

Could not care less about Pardew - he's history (and a good job too)

 

I guess i will have to agree to disagree on all points of your post.

 

Have a word with yourself!

[theyin]

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a toss. Pardew is gone, for whatever reason; it is immaterial now. Hearing some newspaper tales of their view of the events holds no interest for me, its old news (and not very important news at that).

 

I'll be interested to see your comments if and when the story surfaces then

[Wade Garrett]

I didnt say the management staff were demotivated,it was the ancilliary staff ,physios ,analysts,secretaries,masseurs,kit men,cleaners ,cooks all treated appallingly and banned from eating and mixing with the players, and made not to be part of the football side of things.

 

These people are all really important to the mood /vibe at any TG. of course the mood is mainly down to results ,but there was a great sense of injustice around, and the senior staff were constantly trying to keep moral up everywhere.

 

The new staff who were appointed during the summer were responsible for the separatist "them and us ' mentality, I was told on a daily basis of how it wasnt a comfortable place to work.

i was hopefull that had now lifted with ap and his coaches gone,but there is still a resentment to how they were/ are treated.

 

Sorry if that was unclear.

 

LR and DB(who he!) were in cobham today conducting an interview for chief scout. cobham where chelsea train, bit of an obvious place if were nicking one of their staff!!!

 

I see Blackman scored a hat trick for mwell today, this was amassive bust up with cortese and ap as i posted ages ago, apparently downes had it all set up with allardyce and he was flying down from manchester but bruno knocked it back at the last minute because ap wouldnt take the 36 yr old italian,Ive forgotten his name now!!!

 

oh and by the way western i have never played for Saints!

sorry if i made that unclear.

 

I know someone on the staff, and what they have told me is completely different to what you are saying.

 

Anyway, we're on a winning run. Who gives a toss. The end justifies the means etc etc.

[St_Tel49]

I'd stick with the Mail

 

I think that there is a superfluous "with" in there

[NickG]

d 0-0

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w 4-0

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[John B]

I know someone on the staff, and what they have told me is completely different to what you are saying.

 

Anyway, we're on a winning run. Who gives a toss. The end justifies the means etc etc.

 

Yes I agree but I still think the whole Pardew/Cortese saga cost the club but lets hope with Adkins in charge we get enough points to be promoted

 

I dont really see why it should not happen

[david in sweden]

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a toss. Pardew is gone, for whatever reason; it is immaterial now. Hearing some newspaper tales of their view of the events holds no interest for me, its old news (and not very important news at that).

 

Given the circumstances surrounding the dismissal of some of our previous " managers ", this will probabaly pale into insignificance!

[Viking Warrior]

Oh come on Left back

 

Is your angst against the NC down to the fact he didnt give you a job at the club and you no longer commentate

on saints player.

Nothing worse than a barrack room lawyer. Did you go to the gary neville school for trade union footballers.

You clearly have an agenda, so if your not leftback Mark. then you are the other person I thought you were.

[Saint Billy]

Thats what I heard. Then some poo came out of Pardew, Cortesse didnt like it so he sacked him.

 

Can you get sacked for having the runs?

[Pancake]

Exactly, which is why I can't quite understand all this grannying about some hypothetical and future newspaper article affecting our promotion chances.

 

Really? Imagine, if you will, that the allegation is that our beloved CEO punched a first teamer, to which Pardew was witness and didnt side with NC and was therefore sacked on trumped up "not performing" charges. I think that *might* have some effect on the team,especially if it meant someone high up had to leave.

 

Of course, what I have typed it a total fabrication, but it is one of many scenarios that could have happened.

[sotonist]

have we had the "connolly issue" yet? related/unrelated?