Could we have done...

[saint_bert]

What FCUM have created.

 

Obviously it was dangerously close to being goodnight Vienna not so long ago.

 

Do you think our fan base could have put together another team and created a "phoenix from the flames" so to speak.

 

Best of luck to them btw. I for one would certainly like an away game in the FA cup round 2 if we win today.

[Thedelldays]

not a chance in hell

[saint_bert]

not a chance in hell

 

Thats the spirit

[eurosaint]

One of their players said last night that he wanted Saints away in the next round !

I assume that he views us as the biggest team in the hat for the 2nd round ? (assuming we get there!).

[saint_bert]

Just read into the club in a bit more depth.

 

After the innitial buzz and novelty, it points out in the bit I was reading that attendences have decreased every season that the team has been in excistance.

 

Hmmm, five minute fad?

[Thedelldays]

Just read into the club in a bit more depth.

 

After the innitial buzz and novelty, it points out in the bit I was reading that attendences have decreased every season that the team has been in excistance.

 

Hmmm, five minute fad?

I suppose the glazers being there and winning the champions league did not help their cause

[chocco boxo]

Would have been strange, would like to think we could have carried it off but my heart tells me we would still be in Junior 2.

[Kenilworthy]

Why shouldn't we have done it? There are good examples in AFC Wimbledon and Aldershot who did it from much smaller fanbases than Saints.

I got the feeling that one of the initial drivings forces for FCUM was that Man U were about to implode. They didn't, they kept on winning trophies and that might explain the drop off in FCUM attendances. Now though that it does look like Man U's seemingly endless run of success might be coming to an end it will be interesting to see if FCUM's support starts to increase.

[saint_bert]

Why shouldn't we have done it? There are good examples in AFC Wimbledon and Aldershot who did it from much smaller fanbases than Saints.

I got the feeling that one of the initial drivings forces for FCUM was that Man U were about to implode. They didn't, they kept on winning trophies and that might explain the drop off in FCUM attendances. Now though that it does look like Man U's seemingly endless run of success might be coming to an end it will be interesting to see if FCUM's support starts to increase.

 

I wonder if the hardcore FCUM support, there since the formation, would find that type of fan almost against the whole ethos of what they want their club to stand for. On the flip side its another fan to add to the attendence figures.

Edited 6 November, 2010 by saint_bert

[MarkSFC]

FCUM aren't "the only team in Manchester" ( and of course manure are in Salford!) so they will struggle to gain big support I imagine.

 

Had the worst happened and Saints as we know it had disappeared I'm sure a new SFC in some guise would have been formed. Not having a football team representing my city would be unthinkable....whatever level it started in.

[SNSUN]

Many, though not all, Man U fans are glory supporters anyway, certainly a lot of the younger generation who have known Man U only as a title-winning, or potential title-winning, side. Ok, a few of the die hard fans that converted to FCUM fans will stick to their guns, but it's no suprise that many would rather be supporting a team that wins 90% or so of their games, than one stuck in the nether regions of English football.

 

I don't agree with the point behind FCUM anyway, your team is your team, no matter who is in charge and what is happening to the club. It's a tad petty running off and founding your own club, IMO. If a club goes out of business and starts again in non-League, that'd be acceptable, as it's technically still your club, (a similar thing happened to Slough Town when they were in the Vauxhall Conference), and I understand the frustrations of the Wimbledon fans having their club moved miles away starting their own league, but with FCUM I'm not sure. Protest, sure, but is starting a whole new team necessary? I doubt it.

[Badger]

I read somewhere that in their early stages some of the dissenting Man U fans spoke to SISA at the time about how they had started the fans protest groups down here.

 

This was before SISA became a bandwagon for a couple of egotists,and had a large broad support.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I don't think we could have done, we have too many people with far too many agendas to ever form a united front.

[waggy]

FCUM were in the same league as Guiseley (a Leeds team) last season. My father in law lives opposite Guiseleys ground and, due to the fact that they were playing a Leeds based team, they brought a huge fanbase with them and naturally enough Guiseleys home support quadrupled with LUFC loons. The usual 'niceties' were exchanged by both sets of fans and there was a larger police presence than we get at SMS. I think FCUM's following fluctuates depending on the opposition so should we draw them in round 2 they will probably have good support, home or away.

[CB Fry]

Why shouldn't we have done it? There are good examples in AFC Wimbledon and Aldershot who did it from much smaller fanbases than Saints.

I got the feeling that one of the initial drivings forces for FCUM was that Man U were about to implode. They didn't, they kept on winning trophies and that might explain the drop off in FCUM attendances. Now though that it does look like Man U's seemingly endless run of success might be coming to an end it will be interesting to see if FCUM's support starts to increase.

 

 

The end of the day we would never have needed to. There was no chance of us going out of existence like Aldershot and we weren't about to be moved to Milton Keynes.

 

Markus or no Markus we were never going out of existence. Our fanbase is too big, and there is no value in a second hand unused football stadium. It was never, ever, ever going to happen.

[SET]

Many, though not all, Man U fans are glory supporters anyway, certainly a lot of the younger generation who have known Man U only as a title-winning, or potential title-winning, side. Ok, a few of the die hard fans that converted to FCUM fans will stick to their guns, but it's no suprise that many would rather be supporting a team that wins 90% or so of their games, than one stuck in the nether regions of English football.

 

I don't agree with the point behind FCUM anyway, your team is your team, no matter who is in charge and what is happening to the club. It's a tad petty running off and founding your own club, IMO. If a club goes out of business and starts again in non-League, that'd be acceptable, as it's technically still your club, (a similar thing happened to Slough Town when they were in the Vauxhall Conference), and I understand the frustrations of the Wimbledon fans having their club moved miles away starting their own league, but with FCUM I'm not sure. Protest, sure, but is starting a whole new team necessary? I doubt it.

 

Never made a secret on here that I grew up MUFC, stopped my season ticket in may 2005 and became a founding member in FCUM. Since moving down here i've chosen to attend a number of Saints fixtures as my sat afternoon fix.

 

FCUM was never just about the Glazers, they were simply the catalyst.

 

ESPN summed up the club and why we did what we did fairly well

 

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/54786.html

[SET]

For what its worth i think Saints fans would really have struggled to create a breakaway.

 

You have far too many divisions within your groups.

 

At united we had Andy Walsh as the leader of our merry band, a leading member of IMUSA who as fans we had looked upto for years as someone who campaigned for our benefits.

[docker-p]

Without doubt we could and would have started again (as Southampton 1885 if i'd had my way). As has been pointed out Wimbledon, Aldershot, Newport County etc all managed it. If justice had caught up with Portsmyth, even there tiny support would have started up a new club.

The difference with FCUM is their 'mother club' didn't go bust, or up sticks and move.

But I agree with CB Fry, we were never, ever going to be wound up.

[CB Fry]

For what its worth i think Saints fans would really have struggled to create a breakaway.

 

You have far too many divisions within your groups.

 

At united we had Andy Walsh as the leader of our merry band, a leading member of IMUSA who as fans we had looked upto for years as someone who campaigned for our benefits.

 

 

What a load of boll ocks. FCUM is itself a "division", it's a breakaway. I bet I could walk into any Salford pub and find someone who thinks its leader is a ***** just like some fans on here slag off Illingsworth or whoever.

 

In case you haven't noticed, Manchester United has not gone out of business and is still there.

 

If Saints had gone out of existence (it was never going to happen) then a new club would be formed quite easily. We've got a solid, solid base of 15,000 absolute die hards so it wouldn't be difficult to build a small wessex league team out of that.

[SET]

What a load of boll ocks. FCUM is itself a "division", it's a breakaway. I bet I could walk into any Salford pub and find someone who thinks its leader is a ***** just like some fans on here slag off Illingsworth or whoever.

 

In case you haven't noticed, Manchester United has not gone out of business and is still there.

 

If Saints had gone out of existence (it was never going to happen) then a new club would be formed quite easily. We've got a solid, solid base of 15,000 absolute die hards so it wouldn't be difficult to build a small wessex league team out of that.

 

 

You find me a match going united fan of the last 20 years with a bad word to say about walshy, and i'll bring you father christmas

 

Illingsworth was the one who would have lead your new club, i spoke to him on a few occasions, most of you one here hate the bloke for reasons i dont know of

[docker-p]

For what its worth i think Saints fans would really have struggled to create a breakaway.

 

You have far too many divisions within your groups.

 

At united we had Andy Walsh as the leader of our merry band, a leading member of IMUSA who as fans we had looked upto for years as someone who campaigned for our benefits.

You may be right. We could have ended up a two, or more, club city. I would have followed the new club wearing red and white stripes. Others would have followed a club with no heritage or understanding of tradition and followed the club wearing a white kit with a red sash. Oh how i would have hated those tossers.

[SET]

Either way I dont think it really would have mattered, SFC were never going to the wall.

 

Only way i think it would have been needed is if RL had been the one to buy the club from admin

[CB Fry]

You find me a match going united fan of the last 20 years with a bad word to say about walshy, and i'll bring you father christmas

 

Illingsworth was the one who would have lead your new club, i spoke to him on a few occasions, most of you one here hate the bloke for reasons i dont know of

 

Well that took eight seconds....

 

http://therepublikofmancunia.com/fc-united-ticket-prices-and-how-we-compare-to-chelsea-arsenal-liverpool/

 

We were born to support one team, and thats Manchester United, FC are worse than Manchester City fans, at least they support one team.

Mr Walsh and Co, what a joke, leaving Manchester United, enough said.

 

So looks like I'm completely wrong. Manchester United fanbase completely united in supporting the existence of FC United of Manchester.

 

Absolutely no "divisions" at all there then. One big mega happy family. Errr, except they've formed a breakaway team. But no divisions like those horrible Saints fans.

 

Muppet.

[SET]

Well that took eight seconds....

 

http://therepublikofmancunia.com/fc-united-ticket-prices-and-how-we-compare-to-chelsea-arsenal-liverpool/

 

We were born to support one team, and thats Manchester United, FC are worse than Manchester City fans, at least they support one team.

Mr Walsh and Co, what a joke, leaving Manchester United, enough said.

 

So looks like I'm completely wrong. Manchester United fanbase completely united in supporting the existence of FC United of Manchester.

 

Absolutely no "divisions" at all there then. One big mega happy family. Errr, except they've formed a breakaway team. But no divisions like those horrible Saints fans.

 

Muppet.

 

Yes there are divisions now, but prior to glazer there were none was the point i was trying to make.

 

You'd struggle to get a unified voice to form a breakaway because it would be agenda this and agenda that

[Fan The Flames]

There are no different agendas in Southampton, there are personalities that some don't like; so what, people are allowed their opinion on people and it doesn't mean that we wouldn't have rallied around a new club. However new clubs are only formed when the original club is taken away, whether its by franchising Wimbledon, disenfranchising MU fans or clubs that have gone completely pop. We were never going to have our club taken away and we were never going to go completely pop, if we had gone bust we would have started up as a continuation of the club in the Blue Square in the forthcoming season. If RL bought us when we were in admin I would have hated it and I would have understood it if people were moved to form another club but as the original Southampton would still be alive I would have found it difficult to change allegiances.

 

I appreciate someone moving to the area coming to watch us but I find it a bit irritating that someone who has been here five minutes has an opinion on something that they really can't know that much about.