C`mon guys

[benjii]

hahaha. nice one.

 

"loyal" and "can't be arsed" don't tend to fall into the same category.

 

Carlisle and Hartlepool away coming up in the next few weeks chaps...................

 

You're talking rubbish mate, complete rubbish.

 

If you don't like that phrase then fine, replace it with, "don't want to go for a multiplicity of reasons" but the point stands. It is perfectly consistent to be a loyal fan and to decide not to attend certain matches. If you can't bear to miss a match that badly there's probably something wrong with you.

[JRM]

You're talking rubbish mate, complete rubbish.

 

If you don't like that phrase then fine, replace it with, "don't want to go for a multiplicity of reasons" but the point stands. It is perfectly consistent to be a loyal fan and to decide not to attend certain matches. If you can't bear to miss a match that badly there's probably something wrong with you.

 

I think you have an over inflated opinion of your own loyalty, i guess you could define a loyal fan as someone who doesn't stop supporting a team through the bad times, but realistically a true definition of a loyal fan is those who still turn up when the "can't be arsed" brigade dont.

I have missed games before, through my own financial poor planning / family commitments and holidays, but not through apathy.

[Wes Tender]

I personally felt it was embaressing.

 

Shrewsbury wanted £25 we want £10, the FA awarded it at £15. Seems like we did quite well there. Why the website did not just say the price was set by the FA I don't know. There was absolutely no need whatsoever to start critiscising Shrewsburys actions or belittling them as a club. We effectively got what we wanted and should have been happy with that. No need to abuse Shrewsbury. Another very very poor piece of PR from the Club to add to the list.

 

I think that it will be instructive to show what was written on the OS so that some can attempt to see whether there are other interpretations or nuances that can be applied to it.

 

"Bearing in mind the opposition and the number of other significant home matches during November, the Club had wished to push through discounted rates for this match, in order to reward our most loyal fans.

 

However, our opponents from League Two, were looking to cash in their trip to St Mary's by charging both sets of fans full price tickets, an over ambitions move designed only to line their own pockets.

 

As no compromise was able to be reached, the matter was handed over to the FA and the club are pleased to announce that they have sided with Saints. We are extremely grateful to the FA for agreeing that the club's initial pricing structure represents a fair and honest option for both Saints and Shrews fans."

 

So the price was set by the FA and the OS confirmed that.

 

The line about "bearing in mind the opposition" has to be taken together with the "number of other significant matches in November" What was meant was that because there were a lot of other important matches in November, the Club recognised that it might be difficult to pursuade fans to cough up the extra cash to attend this match unless it was priced realistically.

 

Can anybody on here justify why the game should be priced at normal match level prices for League One when we are playing a League Two side? Can anybody gain any further justification for the prices being set at that level just because it will be helpful to the finances of that lower league Club, even though it would mean that our own attendances will be reduced because many just "can't be bothered" to go and watch us play Shrewsbury" at those prices?

 

The Club had attempted to do our fans a favour and to encourage larger attendances through fairer prices. It must also be pointed out that many Shrewsbury fans might also be thankful that the prices are set at a reasonable level too and I doubt that many of them will be militating that they ought to be paying £25 for the privilege of playing a third division club in the early rounds of the FA Cup.

 

The statement aIso makes it clear that the Club had tried to reach a compromise with Shrewsbury over the pricing, but some seem to automatically assume that we are entirely at fault because nothing could be agreed.

 

It saddens me that some seem to prefer to take the stance in favour of rival managments over our own people.

[RonManager]

Awwwwwwwww C'mmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Guys.

 

It'll be a swell game of saccer.

[Noodles34]

I think that it will be instructive to show what was written on the OS so that some can attempt to see whether there are other interpretations or nuances that can be applied to it.

 

"Bearing in mind the opposition and the number of other significant home matches during November, the Club had wished to push through discounted rates for this match, in order to reward our most loyal fans.

 

However, our opponents from League Two, were looking to cash in their trip to St Mary's by charging both sets of fans full price tickets, an over ambitions move designed only to line their own pockets.

 

As no compromise was able to be reached, the matter was handed over to the FA and the club are pleased to announce that they have sided with Saints. We are extremely grateful to the FA for agreeing that the club's initial pricing structure represents a fair and honest option for both Saints and Shrews fans."

 

So the price was set by the FA and the OS confirmed that.

 

The line about "bearing in mind the opposition" has to be taken together with the "number of other significant matches in November" What was meant was that because there were a lot of other important matches in November, the Club recognised that it might be difficult to pursuade fans to cough up the extra cash to attend this match unless it was priced realistically.

 

Can anybody on here justify why the game should be priced at normal match level prices for League One when we are playing a League Two side? Can anybody gain any further justification for the prices being set at that level just because it will be helpful to the finances of that lower league Club, even though it would mean that our own attendances will be reduced because many just "can't be bothered" to go and watch us play Shrewsbury" at those prices?

 

The Club had attempted to do our fans a favour and to encourage larger attendances through fairer prices. It must also be pointed out that many Shrewsbury fans might also be thankful that the prices are set at a reasonable level too and I doubt that many of them will be militating that they ought to be paying £25 for the privilege of playing a third division club in the early rounds of the FA Cup.

 

The statement aIso makes it clear that the Club had tried to reach a compromise with Shrewsbury over the pricing, but some seem to automatically assume that we are entirely at fault because nothing could be agreed.

 

It saddens me that some seem to prefer to take the stance in favour of rival managments over our own people.

 

think you have missed the crucial point here, no one is arguing that NC was effectively right in what his point was, and that he was trying to do us a favour etc. but the real point is the words he used which you have conveniently not commented on.

[Noodles34]

hahaha. nice one.

 

"loyal" and "can't be arsed" don't tend to fall into the same category.

 

Carlisle and Hartlepool away coming up in the next few weeks chaps...................

 

good for you mate, clearly you are the most loyal and bestest fan around and you like to prove that by name dropping some geographically awkward places to go to.

My record is 110 games home and away consecutively (norwich away on a weds in the zds being one), where do i rank? probably low down because i didnt go by train perhaps?

If there was a super fan award i'm sure you'd win it, if there was a 'big head patronising super fan', well you'd get my vote.

[Sour Mash]

good for you mate, clearly you are the most loyal and bestest fan around and you like to prove that by name dropping some geographically awkward places to go to.

My record is 110 games home and away consecutively (norwich away on a weds in the zds being one), where do i rank? probably low down because i didnt go by train perhaps?

If there was a super fan award i'm sure you'd win it, if there was a 'big head patronising super fan', well you'd get my vote.

 

But did you have the same seat for every single one of those games? Can't have been much fun otherwise.

[Saint_clark]

yeah, you're right but you have deleted my point about the word 'mong', so you clearly do not tolerate racist, homophobic abuse but you are saying its alright to call someone a spastic on this forum, yeah?

 

I skipped through the rest of the thread trying to find the post, but couldn't see it. If you find something offensive there is a report button.

[Noodles34]

But did you have the same seat for every single one of those games? Can't have been much fun otherwise.

 

good one...

[Whitey Grandad]

But did you have the same seat for every single one of those games? Can't have been much fun otherwise.

 

You don't understand this customer loyalty marketing thingy do you?

[RedWillie]

2 more going....

 

Wife ' I need to go to west quay tomorrow, if saints are at home why don't you go ??'

 

I picked myself up off the floor and booked tickets for me and eldest

[JRM]

good for you mate, clearly you are the most loyal and bestest fan around and you like to prove that by name dropping some geographically awkward places to go to.

My record is 110 games home and away consecutively (norwich away on a weds in the zds being one), where do i rank? probably low down because i didnt go by train perhaps?

If there was a super fan award i'm sure you'd win it, if there was a 'big head patronising super fan', well you'd get my vote.

 

hahaha, the name dropping of "geographically awkward places" just happens to be our next two away games, which i'm sure plenty of people on here have looked into being big saints fans.

 

your record from the early 90s is very admirable, and one which probably can't be matched by many so you would rank highly in my opinion for that (would like to hear more about Norwich in the ZDS), and the dedication shown, if anything, the fact you did that should make the fact people try to excuse themselves for games such as shrewsbury with the pitiful excuses of not having "thier seat" all the more laughable. We got much smaller crowds back in those days as well, and the reasons then are the same as now, people just cannot be bothered, get a big draw and suddenly everyone is interested.

[Sour Mash]

You don't understand this customer loyalty marketing thingy do you?

 

Quick, tell me, what is it I've missed?

[for_heaven's_Saint]

I'd go if I could afford it.

[JRM]

I'd go if I could afford it.

 

if we were playing pompey could you afford it ?

[Turkish]

if we were playing pompey could you afford it ?

 

or Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal.

[Noodles34]

hahaha, the name dropping of "geographically awkward places" just happens to be our next two away games, which i'm sure plenty of people on here have looked into being big saints fans.

 

your record from the early 90s is very admirable, and one which probably can't be matched by many so you would rank highly in my opinion for that (would like to hear more about Norwich in the ZDS), and the dedication shown, if anything, the fact you did that should make the fact people try to excuse themselves for games such as shrewsbury with the pitiful excuses of not having "thier seat" all the more laughable. We got much smaller crowds back in those days as well, and the reasons then are the same as now, people just cannot be bothered, get a big draw and suddenly everyone is interested.

 

Norwich away, weds night, 88 fans, ZDS, might have been the year we won it, though reckon it could have been previous year, made plymouth away in the same comp with a World class save from Tim.

 

After reading some opinions on here about the seats and in reflection, it is a **** poor reason, hold my hands up to that one, just aint got the enthusiasm as i did when watching the likes of MLT, Shearer, Case etc etc, maybe thats a reflection on todays game

[JRM]

Norwich away, weds night, 88 fans, ZDS, might have been the year we won it, though reckon it could have been previous year, made plymouth away in the same comp with a World class save from Tim.

 

After reading some opinions on here about the seats and in reflection, it is a **** poor reason, hold my hands up to that one, just aint got the enthusiasm as i did when watching the likes of MLT, Shearer, Case etc etc, maybe thats a reflection on todays game

 

brilliant stuff, i bet the 88 who were at Norwich all remember it for that very reason, did you go to Middlesbrough away around 1992 on a tuesday when we had about 40 fans up there? (i wasnt but remember my dad telling me about it) i'm too young for that era really, was 11 in 1992 was at Chelsea away in the ZDS "area final" we had half the crowd at that, old crumbling stamford bridge, i did used to go to the programme shop and get every away programme from the games i didnt do and would marvel at fixtures like ZDS away when the programme would be about 5 pages and tiny crowds, i'm sure one of the older lads i know told a story about going to Bristol City away in the zds and the reserves were playing at swindon in the afternoon and they did both!!

[Whitey Grandad]

Quick, tell me, what is it I've missed?

 

Ok, not everybody who goes to watch Saints is a committed, 100%, go what may dedicated follower like you or me. A large portion of them are creatures of habit who go for a number of reasons, habit, it gets them out of the house, saves them having to go shopping, or a host of other reasons. If they have a season ticket then they will go even if they feel under the weather, tired, have other things that need doing, nagging wives. If you want them to come to extra games then you must make it as easy as possible for them to come and with the minimum of changes to their habitual routine or they may not make the extra effort that is required. Many of them will have followed the Saints for years and no longer wish to stand and sing and be happy just to be in the same stadium as their heroes, even if they can't see what is happening. They are used to having the best views in the stadium (you can guess that I'm talking Kingsland here) and anything else is a poor comparison. For some of them, even the extra walk round the stadium is a struggle. They may be getting on a bit and almost everything is a struggle, not just going to football. In short, you must make it as easy as possible with the minimum of changes if you want them to come along. Extra charges for buying tickets on the day or over the phone, or for parking when they already have a parking season ticket, will only dissuade them further from attending. Without them you are down to the 'core' support, which is what I expect tomorrow.

 

Out of interest, when we had this situation last year for Luton(?) I made a small survey of the people near me in central Kingsland and out of about 16, 12 said that they would only come if they could have their usual seat, or one with a similar view.

[Sour Mash]

Ok, not everybody who goes to watch Saints is a committed, 100%, go what may dedicated follower like you or me. A large portion of them are creatures of habit who go for a number of reasons, habit, it gets them out of the house, saves them having to go shopping, or a host of other reasons. If they have a season ticket then they will go even if they feel under the weather, tired, have other things that need doing, nagging wives. If you want them to come to extra games then you must make it as easy as possible for them to come and with the minimum of changes to their habitual routine or they may not make the extra effort that is required. Many of them will have followed the Saints for years and no longer wish to stand and sing and be happy just to be in the same stadium as their heroes, even if they can't see what is happening. They are used to having the best views in the stadium (you can guess that I'm talking Kingsland here) and anything else is a poor comparison. For some of them, even the extra walk round the stadium is a struggle. They may be getting on a bit and almost everything is a struggle, not just going to football. In short, you must make it as easy as possible with the minimum of changes if you want them to come along. Extra charges for buying tickets on the day or over the phone, or for parking when they already have a parking season ticket, will only dissuade them further from attending. Without them you are down to the 'core' support, which is what I expect tomorrow.

 

Out of interest, when we had this situation last year for Luton(?) I made a small survey of the people near me in central Kingsland and out of about 16, 12 said that they would only come if they could have their usual seat, or one with a similar view.

 

[100%Red&White]

Norwich away, weds night, 88 fans, ZDS, might have been the year we won it

 

I'm impressed, you 88* maybe the only fans to have ever travelled away to a ZDS game anywhere in the country - other than a semi/final!

 

We never won it btw. *33,000 went to Wembley!

[Saints4Prem]

Bought my tickets this afternoon disappointed that only 7000 sold so far according to the ticket office. My season ticket is in the Kingsland at the Northam end so will be interesting to sit in the opposite corner and see the atmosphere in the Chapel tommorrow.

[Paul75]

Chapel now open, must be selling better than first thought. Also, if NC doing wrong, how come attendences going up.

[Whitey Grandad]

Bought my tickets this afternoon disappointed that only 7000 sold so far according to the ticket office. My season ticket is in the Kingsland at the Northam end so will be interesting to sit in the opposite corner and see the atmosphere in the Chapel tommorrow.

 

I suppose there's a first time for everything.

[Saints4Prem]

Yes that was a bit tongue in cheek

[JRM]

Bought my tickets this afternoon disappointed that only 7000 sold so far according to the ticket office. My season ticket is in the Kingsland at the Northam end so will be interesting to sit in the opposite corner and see the atmosphere in the Chapel tommorrow.

 

ouch, hopefully with a decent walk-up crowd we will get more than what we had for the swindon JPT game and avoid once again breaking out lowest st marys attendance.

[Turkish]

Ok, not everybody who goes to watch Saints is a committed, 100%, go what may dedicated follower like you or me. A large portion of them are creatures of habit who go for a number of reasons, habit, it gets them out of the house, saves them having to go shopping, or a host of other reasons. If they have a season ticket then they will go even if they feel under the weather, tired, have other things that need doing, nagging wives. If you want them to come to extra games then you must make it as easy as possible for them to come and with the minimum of changes to their habitual routine or they may not make the extra effort that is required. Many of them will have followed the Saints for years and no longer wish to stand and sing and be happy just to be in the same stadium as their heroes, even if they can't see what is happening. They are used to having the best views in the stadium (you can guess that I'm talking Kingsland here) and anything else is a poor comparison. For some of them, even the extra walk round the stadium is a struggle. They may be getting on a bit and almost everything is a struggle, not just going to football. In short, you must make it as easy as possible with the minimum of changes if you want them to come along. Extra charges for buying tickets on the day or over the phone, or for parking when they already have a parking season ticket, will only dissuade them further from attending. Without them you are down to the 'core' support, which is what I expect tomorrow.

 

Out of interest, when we had this situation last year for Luton(?) I made a small survey of the people near me in central Kingsland and out of about 16, 12 said that they would only come if they could have their usual seat, or one with a similar view.

 

It's not just the old 'uns, a lot of the young spolit brats in our support that have grown up pampered being given everything they want by their fool hardy parents who have created this arrogant little monster, no doubt probably stamp their spoilt little feet in protest that they dare have "their seat" taken away from them. Sulking and complaining that everything is made so difficult for them. These are they type that dont know what life was like before the internet and mobile phones when you actually had to use your inititive to do things and get to places. There are quite a few on this forum, *****ing and complaining about everything and anything. A lot of people that go to football these days i wouldn't call football supporters, they are football consumers.

[Whitey Grandad]

Never, ever insult your customers. They pay your mortgage.

[warsash saint]

brilliant stuff, i bet the 88 who were at Norwich all remember it for that very reason, did you go to Middlesbrough away around 1992 on a tuesday when we had about 40 fans up there? (i wasnt but remember my dad telling me about it)

 

I was there ... 40 fans ... lost 1 nil ... freezing cold night .... got home at 5.30am overtaking milk floats .... got up & was at work at 8am

 

I am the bestest Saints fan ever

[Whitey Grandad]

Yes that was a bit tongue in cheek

 

I shall not be too far away. Perhaps we can raise some enthusiasm there? Lift an eyebrow or something.

[The Cat]

If we only get 7000 that will be pathetic. Anything under 12000 is quite disgraceful.

 

I just hope it's 6-5 to Saints so all the people who had something else "more important" to do miss out.

[dune]

Bought my tickets this afternoon disappointed that only 7000 sold so far according to the ticket office.

 

Now i'm glad i'm not going. It's gonna be like a pre season friendly atmosphere.

[Whitey Grandad]

If we only get 7000 that will be pathetic. Anything under 12000 is quite disgraceful.

 

I just hope it's 6-5 to Saints so all the people who had something else "more important" to do miss out.

There are a number of reasons that the regulars are not going, and as I have said before, if you close stands then you can't sell tickets for them. I also wonder sometimes whether the decision to close the Kingsland is so that it does not look bad on television. Perhaps a small crowd will cause the ticket office to reconsider next time. They will probably just use it as justification for their decision.

[Sour Mash]

Now i'm glad i'm not going. It's gonna be like a pre season friendly atmosphere.

 

I'm also glad you're not going.

[dune]

I'm also glad you're not going.

 

Don't be like that.

[Sour Mash]

Don't be like that.

 

I was agreeing with you

[dune]

I was agreeing with you

 

So you were.

[Wes Tender]

think you have missed the crucial point here, no one is arguing that NC was effectively right in what his point was, and that he was trying to do us a favour etc. but the real point is the words he used which you have conveniently not commented on.

 

Really? I thought that I had commented on the statement. But as to whether they were his words or somebody else's written on his behalf, I do not know. Do you know?

[The Kraken]

Really? I thought that I had commented on the statement. But as to whether they were his words or somebody else's written on his behalf, I do not know. Do you know?

 

Being as the story still appears on our website after all the publicity it received, I think it's fair to say that whether he wrote it or not Cortese sees it as fair comment and is happy for the club to stand by the sentiments expressed.

[Wes Tender]

Being as the story still appears on our website after all the publicity it received, I think it's fair to say that whether he wrote it or not Cortese sees it as fair comment and is happy for the club to stand by the sentiments expressed.

 

Why should he withdraw it? It's in the archives now anyway and the righteous indignation expressed in the Shrewsbury rag was long ago chip wrapping. I don't see what he might wish to retract even if he had written it. I agree with it all, the sentiments expressed and the actual wording.

[The Kraken]

Why should he withdraw it? It's in the archives now anyway and the righteous indignation expressed in the Shrewsbury rag was long ago chip wrapping. I don't see what he might wish to retract even if he had written it. I agree with it all, the sentiments expressed and the actual wording.

 

Fair enough. I think the digs at Shrewsbury were petty and unnecessary; there were many other ways that the article could have been written in order to express the story of prices etc, but the club chose a deliberately aggressive, patronising and ultimately offensive posture. And I think Shrewsbury's reaction to it was pretty much spot on, being how far we've fallen we'd do well to publicly show a bit more humility.

 

I don't disagree with us fighting our corner for ticket prices; but then I don't disagree with Shrewsbury's right to attempt to maximise profits, it's what pretty much all lower league clubs will do. I just think the tone of the article smacked of brinkmanship and, ultimately, pettiness.

[Noodles34]

I'm impressed, you 88* maybe the only fans to have ever travelled away to a ZDS game anywhere in the country - other than a semi/final!

 

We never won it btw. *33,000 went to Wembley!

 

yeah, that is true, we were clearly the only fans that did travel that night though!

[Noodles34]

brilliant stuff, i bet the 88 who were at Norwich all remember it for that very reason, did you go to Middlesbrough away around 1992 on a tuesday when we had about 40 fans up there? (i wasnt but remember my dad telling me about it) i'm too young for that era really, was 11 in 1992 was at Chelsea away in the ZDS "area final" we had half the crowd at that, old crumbling stamford bridge, i did used to go to the programme shop and get every away programme from the games i didnt do and would marvel at fixtures like ZDS away when the programme would be about 5 pages and tiny crowds, i'm sure one of the older lads i know told a story about going to Bristol City away in the zds and the reserves were playing at swindon in the afternoon and they did both!!

 

I do remember going to Boro on a night game, course it was cold and yes, not many there if i remember so it could well have been that one. There was also Sundrland away on New Years day, at the old Roker Park, think Kevin Ball scored the only goal.

 

I have to say that they really were the good old days when football was football and players were people and fans were proper fans and not here for the prawn sandwiches or 'kids for quid' games. Still never went by train though, except to London games like QPR, cause you had to really.

[View From The Top]

hahaha. nice one.

 

"loyal" and "can't be arsed" don't tend to fall into the same category.

 

Carlisle and Hartlepool away coming up in the next few weeks chaps...................

 

Didn't realise that to be a "proper" fan you had to attend every single game? Makes me even more grateful that I have a life.

 

Got our tickets for Carlisle and will be going with my 8yo nipper to Hartlepool as well but I really can't be arsed to drive down to Soton for a nothing game.

 

For a change I'll spend the Saturday with my girls.

[rocknrollman no2]

As i said earlier,i am going and so are most of my crowd.Now im going because i want to see Saints,want to have a beer or two with my mates and i actually like the FA Cup.

If other Saints fans dont want to go,then fair enough,who am i to critise.

But i do find it weird that if we we were playing Man ure or Chelsea,then you wouldnt be able to move for people wanting tickets.

[Sour Mash]

Didn't realise that to be a "proper" fan you had to attend every single game? Makes me even more grateful that I have a life.

 

Got our tickets for Carlisle and will be going with my 8yo nipper to Hartlepool as well but I really can't be arsed to drive down to Soton for a nothing game.

 

For a change I'll spend the Saturday with my girls.

 

Thing is you're missing the point. No one is saying you're not a "proper" fan if you don't go to every game, there are a million and one good reasons not to make it to a match. What they do get p****d off about is fans posting on this board about "not being @rsed" to go to a "nothing game", can't imagine ever describing a Saints game like that myself, but each to their own.

[explorer saint]

yeah, that is true, we were clearly the only fans that did travel that night though!

 

We took about 1000 to stamford bridge for the semi, which I think we won 2-0 both goals from Le Tiss one from the spot? and around that time we also beat them in the league in a midweek game around 12000 there in total. Makes you laugh about the Chelsea fans now nobody wanted to know them then, thanks to Ken Bates and their 'electric fencing'

[RedWillie]

If we sold only 7000 , why is the Chapel open then?

 

Wonder how many Shrewsbury are bringing?

[Wes Tender]

Fair enough. I think the digs at Shrewsbury were petty and unnecessary; there were many other ways that the article could have been written in order to express the story of prices etc, but the club chose a deliberately aggressive, patronising and ultimately offensive posture. And I think Shrewsbury's reaction to it was pretty much spot on, being how far we've fallen we'd do well to publicly show a bit more humility.

 

I don't disagree with us fighting our corner for ticket prices; but then I don't disagree with Shrewsbury's right to attempt to maximise profits, it's what pretty much all lower league clubs will do. I just think the tone of the article smacked of brinkmanship and, ultimately, pettiness.

 

Well, that is the conclusion that you reach without any knowledge of the discussions that were held in an attempt to reach a compromise between the two clubs. It could always be of course, that the Shrewsbury Chairman was the one who was petty and that the response on the OS was therefore rather terse because of their intransigence and the extra trouble that it caused to take it through the jurisdiction of the FA. And as for their attempt to maximise profits, they take half of the gate receipts as I understand it and I agree entirely with somebody's earlier suggestion that we probably did them a favour by getting the prices down, as at the £25 level, the stadium would have been almost empty. I certainly wouldn't be paying £50 for me and my son to watch Shrewsbury and might even not have attended solely to reduce revenue just to spite them for scuppering our attempt to reduce prices to make it more affordable to a wider audience.

[JRM]

Didn't realise that to be a "proper" fan you had to attend every single game? Makes me even more grateful that I have a life.

 

Got our tickets for Carlisle and will be going with my 8yo nipper to Hartlepool as well but I really can't be arsed to drive down to Soton for a nothing game.

 

For a change I'll spend the Saturday with my girls.

 

Of course you can still be a proper fan, and spending time with family is fair enough, but I get ****ed off with the 'nothing game therefore I will not go mentality'.