Big John Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Dave Jones Finance Director. Do you mean David FLETcher-Jones? the close friend of ------------ and ---------------. btw, i'm surprised that it has took this long for someone to actually name him. good detective work johnny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 (edited) Previous CEOs get slandered and no one gets banned. Absolute rubbish This one does and someone gets banned. Because leftback did it repeatedly It really isn't difficult to understand. You also don't think other things like leaking team line ups and personal situations between players (re: Puncheon)/Adkins on here had anything to do with it? No of course not it's all a propaganda conspiracy by Cortese, who just so happened to miss the thousands of threads/posts bashing him when he got rid of Pardew. Posted by hundreds of Cortese bashing posters who are still freely posting on here. . . . This is a free forum that is moderated by people who give up their own time and money to do it. If you want to think that this forum is run as an anti-Lowe/pro-Cortese utopia that's up to you, but please don't keep hijacking unrelated threads and going on about it. If I started a thread about running over a duck in my car you'd bring Lowe into it in no time. Why? Oh because one of his many hobbies was going duck shooting. If I started a thread about what a great job Dave Jones is doing at Cardiff City you'd bring Lowe into it in no time. Why? Because it just so happens Lowe hired him when he managed here. There are comparisons that can be made yes, but then there are agendas that pounce on the tiniest, most subtle link and go on about the same thing over and over again. The wonderfully ironic thing is you accuse the board for having a anti-Lowe/pro-Cortese agenda, but you make those accusations through your own pro-Lowe agenda. Edited 28 November, 2010 by JackFrost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Christ mate, calm down. It only a game for God's sakes. And for the record I am being pro Leftback, but then that doesn't fit with your agenda does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 soggy..why oh why do you have to keep going on about agendas...CEOs, lowe and taking sides.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Let's get one thing straight, the admin team have NO idea who leftback is. Yes, we have an email address, but that tells you nothing at the end of the day. There is no agenda from Steve or Baj on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 I liked Leftbacks posts as they actually seem to contain rather a lot of facts which is something that has been sadly lacking on here for years. I am a bit miffed that he has been banned for doing no more than others have been doing for years against other CEOs. And for the record I understand that Leftback was anti Lowe too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Let's get one thing straight, the admin team have NO idea who leftback is. Yes, we have an email address, but that tells you nothing at the end of the day. There is no agenda from Steve or Baj on this. Can you actually tell us why he was banned though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Let's get one thing straight, the admin team have NO idea who leftback is. Yes, we have an email address, but that tells you nothing at the end of the day. There is no agenda from Steve or Baj on this. So why can they not explain exactly whats happened and where they threatened by the clubs pr people with legal action ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Can you actually tell us why he was banned though? "Repeated libel" is the reason given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 So why can they not explain exactly whats happened and where they threatened by the clubs pr people with legal action ? why the hell should they...I dont recall them explaining any other banning..so why start now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 So why can they not explain exactly whats happened and where they threatened by the clubs pr people with legal action ? why the hell should they...I dont recall them explaining any other banning..so why start now I've said repeatedly if it were up to me every banning would be explained, it would stop threads like this occurring. If Steve and Baj don't want to explain why people get banned it's up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 So why can they not explain exactly whats happened and where they threatened by the clubs pr people with legal action ? You so hope that this is true don't you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 "Repeated libel" is the reason given. I see, thank you. If what someone says is factual though is that classed as libel? And where do we draw the line with slander? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 I reckon Baj/Steve got a bit twitchy, its a shame he is gone, i thought he was an utter tool but don't agree with banning people. Still, as i said before, its not the first time any clubs have put pressure on to get forum posters banned, and won't be the last if thats what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 why the hell should they...I dont recall them explaining any other banning..so why start now Because people are interested and there comes the question of freedom of speech. Be honest wouldn't you rather read posts from people who seems to know stuff? I know Lefback had a strong anti Cortese agenda but then his reasons for that were interesting (or would have been if we had got to the bottom of them). Obviously if he is saying stuff that could cause legal problems that is an issue, but over the years this site has been home to plenty of slander and abuse, but to club officials, managers and players along with each other! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 I reckon Baj/Steve got a bit twitchy, its a shame he is gone, i thought he was an utter tool but don't agree with banning people. Still, as i said before, its not the first time any clubs have put pressure on to get forum posters banned, and won't be the last if thats what happened. His posting style wasn't great and some of his comments were a bit full on, but he did post some interesting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Because people are interested and there comes the question of freedom of speech. Be honest wouldn't you rather read posts from people who seems to know stuff? I know Lefback had a strong anti Cortese agenda but then his reasons for that were interesting (or would have been if we had got to the bottom of them). Obviously if he is saying stuff that could cause legal problems that is an issue, but over the years this site has been home to plenty of slander and abuse, but to club officials, managers and players along with each other! what freedom of speech....this is a private message board not a general election...i should know, i have been banned more than once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 what freedom of speech....this is a private message board not a general election...i should know, i have been banned more than once Then you should agree with me surely DD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 (edited) Christ mate, calm down. It only a game for God's sakes. And for the record I am being pro Leftback, but then that doesn't fit with your agenda does it? I don't have an agenda regarding leftback LOL I've barely even mentioned him because you changed the subject of the thread somewhere Edited 28 November, 2010 by JackFrost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 what freedom of speech....this is a private message board not a general election...i should know, i have been banned more than once This is the point. I have no idea who that poster was or how he got team information. I have no idea if everything he said was accurate or just some of it. What was obvious though is that he was intent on smattering every post with personal attacks. These were, in some cases, nothing more than lame childish name calling but in some cases were potentially seriously detrimental to the reputation of the targets. Now, the people who own this board are potentially liable for consequences of ill-judged personal attacks on here and if they want to protect their asses then that's fine with me. They should be able to do this without facing an inquisition from some of the more obssessive weirdos on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 I don't have an agenda regarding leftback LOL I've barely even mentioned him because you changed the subject of the thread somewhere No but you seem to have one with Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 I think "obsessive weirdos" is a tad harsh. Nothing wrong in wanting to know about the banning of someone who posted some eye opening posts surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 No but you seem to have one with Lowe. I don't because he hasn't been involved in the club for well over 18 months now. Maybe you should have another look at this thread and a few others and find out who it was who first brought him up and keeps consistently bringing him up in unrelated threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 I don't because he hasn't been involved in the club for well over 18 months now. Maybe you should have another look at this thread and a few others and find out who it was who first brought him up and keeps consistently bringing him up in unrelated threads. There are plenty of people who haven't been involved with the club for a long time that get brought up, Ron Davies being one. Should we not mention him any more or is it only certain people we can/cannot mention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 There are plenty of people who haven't been involved with the club for a long time that get brought up, Ron Davies being one. Should we not mention him any more or is it only certain people we can/cannot mention? i think people would rather forget lowe......somehow, I dont think that is the case with ex great players.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 There are plenty of people who haven't been involved with the club for a long time that get brought up, Ron Davies being one. Should we not mention him any more or is it only certain people we can/cannot mention? Depends if it's relevant to the topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Some of what Left-Back had to say I agree with, some I didn't, a lot proved to be accurate some not so. He was entertaining though. A forum has to be about more than just "whose going to Hartlepool?" threads. If the mods banned LB because they were getting jumpy about Libel action, that is regrettable but understandable; it is after all their necks on the line. If the club put pressure on Saintweb to ban him that is bloody disgraceful, but given NC's inability to get along with anyone, and generally screw things up, not surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Some of what Left-Back had to say I agree with, some I didn't, a lot proved to be accurate some not so. He was entertaining though. A forum has to be about more than just "whose going to Hartlepool?" threads. If the mods banned LB because they were getting jumpy about Libel action, that is regrettable but understandable; it is after all their necks on the line. If the club put pressure on Saintweb to ban him that is bloody disgraceful, but given NC's inability to get along with anyone, and generally screw things up, not surprising. I don't think there is anything wrong with asking the question. If the relevant admin came on now and said that they decided to take the decision because they were worried about leaving themselves open to libel, then that's fair enough even though it's a bit of a pain. Think we should be told though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 I don't think there is anything wrong with asking the question. If the relevant admin came on now and said that they decided to take the decision because they were worried about leaving themselves open to libel, then that's fair enough even though it's a bit of a pain. Think we should be told though. think you have (by saint clark) quite a few times now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 think you have (by saint clark) quite a few times now... If you mean told that he has no idea what influenced the decision then you would be right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 I don't think there is anything wrong with asking the question. If the relevant admin came on now and said that they decided to take the decision because they were worried about leaving themselves open to libel, then that's fair enough even though it's a bit of a pain. Think we should be told though. I agree with you Hypo. But I don't think we will be told. In the absence of a proper and full explanation I have to presume the worst. Never mind. Who is going to Hartlepool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 If you mean told that he has no idea what influenced the decision then you would be right... why dont you assume (like most other bannings) that the admin made up their own minds.. did you think the club influenced them in banning stu..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 its almost like a few of you really want the club to have "influenced" the admin....frothing at the mouth it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 I agree with you Hypo. But I don't think we will be told. In the absence of a proper and full explanation I have to presume the worst. Never mind. Who is going to Hartlepool? Head for the hills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 why dont you assume (like most other bannings) that the admin made up their own minds.. did you think the club influenced them in banning stu..? I didn't realise he had been banned, just thought he was fed up with the site! Hey-ho, another one bites the dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 its almost like a few of you really want the club to have "influenced" the admin....frothing at the mouth it seems Why do you have to try to belittle people for holding an alternative view? Where in my post does it suggest that I am dying for the club to have influenced the admin? Like me you saw the death of saintsforever, caused mostly by the negative influence of the club on the site. Leftback posted potentially sensitive information with much of it proven to be correct. Stu posted lots of abuse (even though a lot of the time IMO he had a point.) so no wonder he was banned. The two cases are different. Just checking that the site remains as impartial and free from outside interference as ever. People have turned a blind eye to that sort of thing in the past (assuming as you put it) and look how S4E ended up. I'm not frothing from the mouth at any way, its just it is a Sunday afternoon and in between doing my work I am posting on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Why do you have to try to belittle people for holding an alternative view? Where in my post does it suggest that I am dying for the club to have influenced the admin? Like me you saw the death of saintsforever, caused mostly by the negative influence of the club on the site. Leftback posted potentially sensitive information with much of it proven to be correct. Stu posted lots of abuse (even though a lot of the time IMO he had a point.) so no wonder he was banned. The two cases are different. Just checking that the site remains as impartial and free from outside interference as ever. People have turned a blind eye to that sort of thing in the past (assuming as you put it) and look how S4E ended up. I'm not frothing from the mouth at any way, its just it is a Sunday afternoon and in between doing my work I am posting on here. I thought it was caused by a few obssessive idiots with no sense of proportion? TBH, I'm not ITK on this so I must, repeat must, presume the very very worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenwilkins Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Apparently Cortese forced the Saints Trust to remove the club logo from their website. He banned the Echo from SMS I don't doubt he would (and probably has) done the same to this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 hypo..just chill and stop being "forum police"...there is nothing you can do either way.. just assume, the adults the mods are...even so one of them has been pretty vocal in questioning cortese...that they made up their own minds in banning leftback...like they have banned others...im sure more posters in the future will also be "banned".. IF the club did influence anything....what are you going to do about it...? seeing as you are checking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Apparently Cortese forced the Saints Trust to remove the club logo from their website. He banned the Echo from SMS I don't doubt he would (and probably has) done the same to this site. the saints trust that is an utter sham that rips off fellow supporters..? and the echo that prints personal information about people being found innocent of crimes..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 I thought it was caused by a few obssessive idiots with no sense of proportion? TBH, I'm not ITK on this so I must, repeat must, presume the very very worst. So Keith virtually becoming the club's mouthpiece? Banning posters just for holding an alternative view? The club hiring PR people so all trust between posters was lost? Obviously 'Amygate' and an alleged poster off here cutting Keith's electricity was the final straw but it was heading that way before then I didn't say that bit about presuming the worst so please don't generalise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Apparently Cortese forced the Saints Trust to remove the club logo from their website. He banned the Echo from SMS I don't doubt he would (and probably has) done the same to this site. Which is why I asked the question knowing that Cortese has been quick to clamp down on things online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Which is why I asked the question knowing that Cortese has been quick to clamp down on things online. like what..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 like what..? The club have been quick to clamp down on things when they hear things they don't like. There have been numerous examples including the Echo bannings, The Saints Trust and Nick Illingsworth being threatened with legal action. Anyway this is completely irrelevant to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 The club have been quick to clamp down on things when they hear things they don't like. There have been numerous examples including the Echo bannings, The Saints Trust and Nick Illingsworth being threatened with legal action. Anyway this is completely irrelevant to this thread. because he used the clubs image to blatently rip off fellow fans....in cahoots with a known ex 657 hoolie.... no wonder he is not made to feel welcome at the club.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 hypo..just chill and stop being "forum police"...there is nothing you can do either way.. just assume, the adults the mods are...even so one of them has been pretty vocal in questioning cortese...that they made up their own minds in banning leftback...like they have banned others...im sure more posters in the future will also be "banned".. IF the club did influence anything....what are you going to do about it...? seeing as you are checking Doing something about it is not the point, even if there was something. The point is knowing whether the threads are a fair reflection of those who would post on it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 because he used the clubs image to blatently rip off fellow fans....in cahoots with a known ex 657 hoolie.... no wonder he is not made to feel welcome at the club.. That wasn't why. There was a clampdown on the club crest use in general. It's just an example on the club being proactive about how it is viewed, including online. I can very much see a scenario where some at the club were unhappy about leftback and so sought to get him removed. Whether that happened or not I have no idea. Hopefully not because the whole point of the forum is to allow everyone to post without fear of censorship as long as they follow the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Well if the club do read this forum and report back to Mr C may I ask them to ask him IF he got my letter ? The ticket office know my contact details BTW the deputy CEO of Air New Zealand responded to a letter and it wasn't a stock reply it was a personal reply that addressed every single point that I had made. Air New Zealand is a much larger company than Saints and known by a lot more people throughout the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Well if the club do read this forum and report back to Mr C may I ask them to ask him IF he got my letter ? The ticket office know my contact details BTW the deputy CEO of Air New Zealand responded to a letter and it wasn't a stock reply it was a personal reply that addressed every single point that I had made. Air New Zealand is a much larger company than Saints and known by a lot more people throughout the world. perhaps it's not replying to letters that has (if you believe some posters) brought about David Luker's demise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 November, 2010 Share Posted 28 November, 2010 Perhaps not the right thread but is it true that David Jones is no longer secretary or director of the club, replaced by Brendan McGlinchey (or something like that)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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