Adkins Saints record

[gjphilsaint]

NA must be given as long as possible..this manager merry go round has to stop.. stability needed... everything he has achieved so far is with an inherited team.. so when he gets the funds and opportunity to add his own players, I am hoping for the next gear or so..... stability,stability, stability.... long may it reign..................

[stanthemanfairoak]

NA must be given as long as possible..this manager merry go round has to stop.. stability needed... everything he has achieved so far is with an inherited team.. so when he gets the funds and opportunity to add his own players, I am hoping for the next gear or so..... stability,stability, stability.... long may it reign..................

think your right boy but we must not upset letsbavenue

[St Marco]

Adkins has done very well since he has been here. He seems a nice guy and knows what he is talking about.

However i was at the game yesterday and like a few games before that we are not playing well. Our results recently have boiled down to a lot of luck rather then actually deserving to win them out right. Too many players are looking out of sorts and we are no longer running midfield like we used to. But it is early days still and you have to give him the time to get it right because personally i think he will get it right.

[Window Cleaner]

Adkins has done very well since he has been here. He seems a nice guy and knows what he is talking about.

However i was at the game yesterday and like a few games before that we are not playing well. Our results recently have boiled down to a lot of luck rather then actually deserving to win them out right. Too many players are looking out of sorts and we are no longer running midfield like we used to. But it is early days still and you have to give him the time to get it right because personally i think he will get it right.

 

Consequentialism is a concept as old as time,as long as the result is right the means are justified.We may not be playing particularly well but we are getting the points necessary to get us out of this crap league.When you listen to his interviews NA always stresses the same thing "winning games of football", we battle it out against teams who are just there for a good old scrap, I very much doubt that there is such a thing as constant beautiful football in this league,odd matches or sequences of play yes but given the standard of the opposition in most cases it's a lost cause.Sides will come at us early on and we just have to survive during that onslaught because at the end of the day only winning counts.

Now I remember watching Arsenal in their first double season back in the early 70s, it was atrocious most of the time,they had hackers in their side who wouldn't get a game in the Conference nowadays but they won most matches and the double to boot.

[The9]

I think Adkins start has been very encouraging and is starting to justify Cortese's decision to get rid of Pardew.

 

There's a long way to go yet but there could be quite a few people eating their words with regards to Cortese at the end of the season.

 

Saints overall are playing better than we were doing than at the start of the season, we are starting to look like a team that will be going after Brighton at the top of the table

 

Not sure where you get your logic from, but nothing Adkins does this season will tell us what Pardew could or would have done this season. Equally most of the criticism of Cortese is about non-footballing matters, and on that topic he seems to have reeled himself in significantly in the last couple of months. His sacking of a manager after a 4-0 was merely the catalyst for overdue criticism for a lot of other things, some of which he's since undone.

 

Overall I'd say we are better than at the start of the season, but we were all shocked at how poor we were then, so we're only starting to do what we should have been doing anyway. Adkins deserves some credit for improving some players (notably Puncheon) but he's going to have to go some to take too much credit from getting this squad into the top 2.

 

Incidentally, knock 10 points off our current total and we'd be 23rd rather than "one win off 2nd", shows how much effect that 10 point deduction would have been having last year.

Edited 31 October, 2010 by The9

[The9]

and where would we have finished if they gave us our 10 points back....something like 5th wasnt it..? wow, for a team that was so good...etc

 

-10 and a 2 month performance handicap as we signed a remotely competent squad for League One, as you well know.

[Thedelldays]

-10 and a 2 month performance handicap as we signed a remotely competent squad for League One, as you well know.

 

2 month performance handicap.....?

why so..why is that so special to saints..?

 

other teams had a high turnover of players..sacked their manager after pardew came in and had no where near the resources...yet they did not get a "2 month handicap"..????

[The Kraken]

I always find it amazing how a positive thread topic still manages to bring the negativity out of people to such an extent.

 

Yes, we're probably still a way off playing to our ultimum standard. But yesterday we won 3-1, and had 60% of posession. That suggests we're moving in the right direction and not "playing poorly".

 

As I said earlier and others have also mentioned, we need to look at form over a long period. Longer than the first few games of the season, and longer than the 9 games Adkins has been in charge. If we're judging a manager over the course of 9 games (when his stats are still pretty good) and after he has only been allowed to bring in 2 loan signings, then I think its a very sad state of affairs.

 

The bigger tests will come against Brighton and Peterborough; but until then you can only beat what's in front of you. We started this season fanastically poorly, and then got even worse after Pardew left. Already under Adkins we've improved massively, and to make such sweeping generalisations about his ability after less than 2 months in charge is a bit daft IMO.

[NickG]

2 month performance handicap.....?

why so..why is that so special to saints..?

 

other teams had a high turnover of players..sacked their manager after pardew came in and had no where near the resources...yet they did not get a "2 month handicap"..????

 

not special just to us but there is no doubt we were handicapped.

 

Differences those without our resources may not have turned it around so well as we did

[John B]

Have we improved under Adkins?

 

Yes or no.

If you answer yes,i believe you are wrong.

But as in life,you are entiltled to your opinion.

 

Are you confident of victory when going into games?

 

Yes or no.

If you answer yes then you are lieing to yourself,imo.

 

We are unconvincing and flatter to decieve with the results and the form table that many appear to base all things upon.

 

Yes I agree with you but the apart from Brighton no one is outstanding so we have every chance of getting promoted not sure how we will perform in the Championship.

 

Before the season started I thought we would do pretty well with a few additions but not so sure now

[Legod Third Coming]

We don't need to improve on last season - if we play like we did then we will go up

 

Exactly. Last year we were the 2nd highest scorers and had the 3rd best defence, despite not really starting until October.

This year, with a full squad available from day one (not October) automatic promotion should be a certainty.

I will be very surprised if we don't win the league. However well Gus is doing down the road, he simply doesn't have our strength and depth of pocket!

[dune]

Really pleased with everything about Adkins. He's just so enthusiastic and not cliquey. I think he'll be a great manager and we are going up this year.

[The9]

2 month performance handicap.....?

why so..why is that so special to saints..?

 

other teams had a high turnover of players..sacked their manager after pardew came in and had no where near the resources...yet they did not get a "2 month handicap"..????

 

I was talking about 2009/10, who else was in administration in pre-season and competing for the play-offs at the end ?

Edited 31 October, 2010 by The9

[Thedelldays]

I was talking about 2009/10, please keep up.

 

I know....I know exactly what you were refering to....only in the mind of saints fans does this magical "2 month" honeymoon or "handicap" exist.....

[dune]

Have we improved under Adkins?

 

Yes or no.

If you answer yes,i believe you are wrong.

But as in life,you are entiltled to your opinion.

 

Are you confident of victory when going into games?

 

Yes or no.

If you answer yes then you are lieing to yourself,imo.

 

We are unconvincing and flatter to decieve with the results and the form table that many appear to base all things upon.

 

You're talking sense, but we are becoming more difficult to play against and the fact we're winning games without setting the world on fire is a positive and when we do start firing on all cylinders we should be very very good. It'll be interesting to see how we fair away from the St Marys bowling green when the pitches start getting sticky because this was an achiles heel for us after Christmas last season.

[theyin]

I still remain unconvinced that Adkins is the man to take us forward.

Any manager worth his salt should get this squad promoted,however,we are still playing in an unconvincing manner.

We beat a poor Tranmere and a 10 man Notts County side,besides that we have been poor.

He may still gain us promotion,and i surely hope he does,but he will not be here this time next year.

The managerial revolving door will be in operation soon, promotion this season or not.

Some still see him as the 'new messiah' after a couple of results,however we are playing mediocre football with a squad capable of alot more.

Prove me wrong Adkins,but thus far we are inferior to last season.

I do not go in to games confident of a victory.

The style of football that so many on here were convinced we would play,quick fluid passing with width and flair,when he was appointed has been non exsistant.

Sfc and Scunny are tottally different animals.

Mediocre manager, managing a medicore side that should be producing more.

All imo.

 

whoah a bit harsh on the managerial front. Give the lad some time will you?

There's obviously plenty of work to do, not least in NJ convincing NC where he needs to strengthen in January.

We can do this, plainly. It's a matter of application, no doubt we have the manager who can do it, he's proven it twice.

I hope NC has a homegrown philosophy and wants to be seen to be the foreign 'owner' (you know what I mean), that bucks the trend and sees the worth in backing a British manager through to the Premiership as seems to be the case in the academy.

There could be good times ahead.

You never know with Saints though.

[MarkSFC]

I do wonder sometimes why some people actually support Saints. They're not happy when we are losing and they're not happy when we are winning.

 

Sure we are all different but I go to games firstly to see Saints win. That's number one. Secondly if that win is managed in a great entertaining manner then even better. But if we lose and it's we've played entertaining football I'm unhappy.

 

Against Colchester I thought we played some really good stuff and I saw glimpses of a different style to last season. But we drew so the overriding feeling is disappointment.

 

Watching beautiful exciting football is largely reserved for the premier league. Consciously or not most fans judge their team against what they see in the Prem, without really taking into account the opposition and "real" quality of player at the club.

 

This season is only about winning. I don't give two f**** if we win every game with a dubious penalty in the 97th minute as long as we go up! Of course that won't be the case but in Adkins I think we have someone who knows how to get the win against all opposition. Pardew proved he couldn't.

 

The players we have proved last year that on their day they can play good football AND score goals. This year for lots of reasons that hasn't quite happened but 4 wins out of 5 and 5 wins out of 7 shows that the mentality is there.

 

Performance in sport, well anything actually is all about thought processes and behaviour. Each helps the other but how you think has more effect on behaviour than vice versa.

 

Only the players themselves know exactly how they think in preparation for games, during training etc, but I have an incling that Adkins has done more in that regard than the physical stuff. After all unless someone is open to new ideas they will not implement them, at least not to full capacity or long term. They will merely revert to type.

 

When coaching people the only thing that eventually cements change is "seeing results". Only when the person or team see fruition of there work can you hope for sustained performance.

 

The world is a results based world where winning and success are priority. Entertainment in itself is secondary because winning or seeing your team win is more satisfying.

[redkeith]

I think the difference could be the home form, as NA seems to have a better plan against the teams who come down and park the bus.

 

His mantra of making the pitch bigger when you have possession is borrowed from the dutch coach from 1974 ( total football era). Hug the touchline to make use every inch of space, and if players won't do it, bring on someone who will, like the Dickson and Holmes double substitution against Colchester.

[Thedelldays]

I was talking about 2009/10, who else was in administration in pre-season and competing for the play-offs at the end ?

 

who else blew everyone out of the water with money..

 

lambert alone cost as mush as the next 3 biggest buys....

 

nearly all of the other 23 clubs would have happily swap playing catch up with a billionaire to having no money

[franny]

I do wonder sometimes why some people actually support Saints. They're not happy when we are losing and they're not happy when we are winning.

 

Sure we are all different but I go to games firstly to see Saints win. That's number one. Secondly if that win is managed in a great entertaining manner then even better. But if we lose and it's we've played entertaining football I'm unhappy.

 

Against Colchester I thought we played some really good stuff and I saw glimpses of a different style to last season. But we drew so the overriding feeling is disappointment.

 

Watching beautiful exciting football is largely reserved for the premier league. Consciously or not most fans judge their team against what they see in the Prem, without really taking into account the opposition and "real" quality of player at the club.

 

This season is only about winning. I don't give two f**** if we win every game with a dubious penalty in the 97th minute as long as we go up! Of course that won't be the case but in Adkins I think we have someone who knows how to get the win against all opposition. Pardew proved he couldn't.

 

The players we have proved last year that on their day they can play good football AND score goals. This year for lots of reasons that hasn't quite happened but 4 wins out of 5 and 5 wins out of 7 shows that the mentality is there.

 

Performance in sport, well anything actually is all about thought processes and behaviour. Each helps the other but how you think has more effect on behaviour than vice versa.

 

Only the players themselves know exactly how they think in preparation for games, during training etc, but I have an incling that Adkins has done more in that regard than the physical stuff. After all unless someone is open to new ideas they will not implement them, at least not to full capacity or long term. They will merely revert to type.

 

When coaching people the only thing that eventually cements change is "seeing results". Only when the person or team see fruition of there work can you hope for sustained performance.

 

The world is a results based world where winning and success are priority. Entertainment in itself is secondary because winning or seeing your team win is more satisfying.

 

Spot on

[NickG]

As said above the MK game was before Adkins had seen and trained the team to any degree, we went from

 

L 0-3

L 0-2

L 0-1

L 0-2

 

Adkins taking training

 

D 0-0

W 1-0

D 1-1

W 2-0

W 2-0

L 0-2

W 2-1

W 3-1

 

Shame some still criticising and doubting Adkins.

 

make that:

 

D 0-0

W 1-0

D 1-1

W 2-0

W 2-0

L 0-2

W 2-1

W 3-1

W 4-0

[teacher]

make that:

 

D 0-0

W 1-0

D 1-1

W 2-0

W 2-0

L 0-2

W 2-1

W 3-1

W 4-0

 

67% win rate according to those stats - that surely adds to automatic promotion if carried on for the rest of the season.

[NickG]

about 84 points is what has been needed over last 10 years.

 

46 games - less than 2 per game.

 

We are going at 2.25, which carried on for rest of season (not neccessarily going to happen I know but last 9 games is quite a good indicator of form and where we are now + must have strongest second 11 in league + more likely to spend in Jan) -would give us 94 points - promoted with games to spare.

Edited 2 November, 2010 by NickG

[NickG]

http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/CurrentForm/0,,10794~201025,00.html

[The Kraken]

make that:

 

D 0-0

W 1-0

D 1-1

W 2-0

W 2-0

L 0-2

W 2-1

W 3-1

W 4-0

 

Nick, lets not discard the MK Dons defeat just because it doesn't make as pretty reading. It would be in there if we had won, so lets not run away from it. Much more accurate to represent the true facts. Which are: P10 W6 D2 L2. 2 points per game, championship winning form.

[RonManager]

does anyone know how many points we had last year? Cheers

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10280~20091031,00.html

[S-Clarke]

does anyone know how many points we had last year? Cheers

 

I guess you mean at this same stage last year?

 

we had 12pts on the board, 22nd in the league, 15pts from the top 6.

[NickG]

make that:

 

D 0-0

w 1-0

d 1-1

w 2-0

w 2-0

l 0-2

w 2-1

w 3-1

w 4-0

 

 

d 0-0

w 1-0

d 1-1

w 2-0

w 2-0

l 0-2

w 2-1

w 3-1

w 4-0

w 2-0

[NickG]

incluing winning last 5, scoring 12, conceding 1

[Andy_Porter]

Nick, lets not discard the MK Dons defeat just because it doesn't make as pretty reading. It would be in there if we had won, so lets not run away from it. Much more accurate to represent the true facts. Which are: P10 W6 D2 L2. 2 points per game, championship winning form.

 

It is championship winning form again, we're back to the sort of form we had from Feb-May last season.

 

Just need to keep this up now, would love another decent cup run, hopefully a big away game in the third round.

[RobM]

I'd love a big-name Premiership club in the next round so we can have a great day out, put on a show, lose, feel no shame in the loss and then concentrate on the league.

[NickG]

isn't it another round before prem?

[RobM]

isn't it another round before prem?

 

Oh balls. That somewhat ruins my plan. Ok, new plan...

 

I'd love one more game against any team which we win and then I'd love a big-name Premiership club in the next round so we can have a great day out, put on a show, lose, feel no shame in the loss and then concentrate on the league.

[sotonianproud]

When do Championship teams enter the cup??

[RobM]

Please don't make me do another plan.