hamster Posted 29 October, 2010 Share Posted 29 October, 2010 Just watching tonights episode! I was so surprised that the word'SCAB' is still in common use, but it is and it is still used in it's purest form, with the same emotion and absolute disdain. It may be a dog eat dog world but why oh why do we allow those top dogs who working man? I make no excuses for my nurtured beliefs and values; my mum's side of the family have historically stood shoulder to shoulder in the feint belief that they were fighting not only for themselves but for their son's and grandson's right to work. Honest decent people who want to provide for their families. This government and recent ones have basically created a new under-class imho. You see them on every street corner, in every pub and in every dole queue. Please don't lable them scroungers, they are forgotten and ignored, they are victims through no fault of their own. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 October, 2010 Share Posted 29 October, 2010 the gap betweeen rich and poor keeps widening as capitalism takes hold on this planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 October, 2010 Share Posted 29 October, 2010 Watching the programme I would say that the fault was their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 October, 2010 Share Posted 29 October, 2010 ahh, the deserving poor, true i have no idea what this programme is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 29 October, 2010 Share Posted 29 October, 2010 We're advertising a job at the job centre for a machine operator. In one month we have had 4 CV's. Two from over 65's and one from a guy in Spain who is willing to commute from Spain on a weekly basis. So we have 1 CV from people of working age in Chichester and the surrounding areas. They may as well close the dole office in Chichester as no-one cleary needs any.....because they are all working.....aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 October, 2010 Share Posted 29 October, 2010 We're advertising a job at the job centre for a machine operator. In one month we have had 4 CV's. Two from over 65's and one from a guy in Spain who is willing to commute from Spain on a weekly basis. So we have 1 CV from people of working age in Chichester and the surrounding areas. They may as well close the dole office in Chichester as no-one cleary needs any.....because they are all working.....aren't they? 5 quid an hour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 5 quid an hour... Would you commute to Spain for £5 an hour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 5 quid an hour... That's illegal, isn't it? The minimum wage is £5.93 an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 That's illegal, isn't it? The minimum wage is £5.93 an hour. Of course it is. If you want to attract talent, you need to pay more than that too. As I said before, they need to close the dole office in Chichester as it is not needed quite clearly (this would also contribute towards the defecit cuts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 Just watching tonights episode! I was so surprised that the word'SCAB' is still in common use, but it is and it is still used in it's purest form, with the same emotion and absolute disdain. It may be a dog eat dog world but why oh why do we allow those top dogs who working man? I make no excuses for my nurtured beliefs and values; my mum's side of the family have historically stood shoulder to shoulder in the feint belief that they were fighting not only for themselves but for their son's and grandson's right to work. Honest decent people who want to provide for their families. This government and recent ones have basically created a new under-class imho. You see them on every street corner, in every pub and in every dole queue. Please don't lable them scroungers, they are forgotten and ignored, they are victims through no fault of their own. Thoughts? Absolute rubbish. If you wantto work you can get a job. If you want to earn more money tell your boss you want a pay rise, when he says no ask what do you need to do to get one, do it, get pay rise, get promoted by grafting, doing extra hours and training the skills you have and learning new ones, create contacts using basic social skills, save some money, start your own business, empoy people as hungry as you were, build business make loads of money for your family to enjoy the nicer things in life. Easy, anyone that moans about low pay, poor prospects are lazy scum in my opinion. Rather than looking for excuses have a look in the mirror and ask what you could do to make your and your families life better, if that means moving to a different area/ country whatever - do it or stop moaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 Just watching tonights episode! I was so surprised that the word'SCAB' is still in common use, but it is and it is still used in it's purest form, with the same emotion and absolute disdain. It may be a dog eat dog world but why oh why do we allow those top dogs who working man? I make no excuses for my nurtured beliefs and values; my mum's side of the family have historically stood shoulder to shoulder in the feint belief that they were fighting not only for themselves but for their son's and grandson's right to work. Honest decent people who want to provide for their families. This government and recent ones have basically created a new under-class imho. You see them on every street corner, in every pub and in every dole queue. Please don't lable them scroungers, they are forgotten and ignored, they are victims through no fault of their own. Thoughts? There are some in society who as you rightly say through no fault of their own, need help. That's fine - I am ok with that. It's when people do not first try to help themselves and expect everything handed to them on a plate that gets my goat. If they are not willing to help themselves why should I. Two different sections of society. The needy and vunerable and the professionally idle. One deserves help, the other doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 Actually there is a third group - they are the ones who want to work, but because of the screwed up benefits system will actually lose out if they did as their beneifts are removed. I don't blame them, I would do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 We're advertising a job at the job centre for a machine operator. In one month we have had 4 CV's. Two from over 65's and one from a guy in Spain who is willing to commute from Spain on a weekly basis. So we have 1 CV from people of working age in Chichester and the surrounding areas. They may as well close the dole office in Chichester as no-one cleary needs any.....because they are all working.....aren't they? Presumably this is a skilled job. Could it be that there is no-one with the required skills currently unemployed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 Presumably this is a skilled job. Could it be that there is no-one with the required skills currently unemployed? Semi skilled, no previous experience required, full training given. There is work out there if you want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 (edited) Absolute rubbish. If you wantto work you can get a job. If you want to earn more money tell your boss you want a pay rise, when he says no ask what do you need to do to get one, do it, get pay rise, get promoted by grafting, doing extra hours and training the skills you have and learning new ones, create contacts using basic social skills, save some money, start your own business, empoy people as hungry as you were, build business make loads of money for your family to enjoy the nicer things in life. So if everyone did that, who would do the menial minimum-wage jobs that are essential to the rest of society? Easy, anyone that moans about low pay, poor prospects are lazy scum in my opinion. Rather than looking for excuses have a look in the mirror and ask what you could do to make your and your families life better, if that means moving to a different area/ country whatever - do it or stop moaning. Absolute tosh. There are a significant percentage of people who do not want the stress and the responsibility of the rat race; people who are not power-hungry and ambitious and have no interest in having a 'career'. After all, the only reason we go out to work is to earn money to support ourselves as this is the only way we can get by in a capitalist society. I know plenty of people like this and they are honest, hard-working people who just want to do what they have to in order to earn a living and spend the rest of their time as they see fit. According to you, people like this are lazy scum are they? Edited 30 October, 2010 by Sheaf Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 Actually there is a third group - they are the ones who want to work, but because of the screwed up benefits system will actually lose out if they did as their beneifts are removed. I don't blame them, I would do the same. I employ a cleaner in my business, lovely lady but she has told us that she cannot work fulltime now because it effects her benefits. This is the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franny Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 So if everyone did that, who would do the menial minimum-wage jobs that are essential to the rest of society? Absolute tosh. There are a significant percentage of people who do not want the stress and the responsibility of the rat race; people who are not power-hungry and ambitious and have no interest in having a 'career'. After all, the only reason we go out to work is to earn money to support ourselves as this is the only way we can get by in a capitalist society. I know plenty of people like this and they are honest, hard-working people who just want to do what they have to in order to earn a living and spend the rest of their time as they see fit. According to you, people like this are lazy scum are they? I also know some of these peop;e you refer to and surely if they are happy livivng in the slower lane they do not fall into the category of those moaning about low pay etc.. so do not come into the group Jackanory refers to? I also know some in the group Jackanory talks of and whilst I would not call them scum they certainly are professional whingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 Read 'Life at the bottom - the worldview that makes the underclass' by Theodore Dalrymple. One of the best books I have ever read about the reasons why the underlcass exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 Easy, anyone that moans about low pay, poor prospects are lazy scum in my opinion. Rather than looking for excuses have a look in the mirror and ask what you could do to make your and your families life better, if that means moving to a different area/ country whatever - do it or stop moaning. So if you're underpaid but can't find a better job, or in a job you love but being underpaid you are scum? You get some really nice people on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 30 October, 2010 Share Posted 30 October, 2010 Even if I won the lottery, I'd want to work. The attraction to do bugger all would be great for a short while, but you'd soon get bored of it. I'd probably buy a pub and run it. I love work, not only does it give me a sense of longing, and satisfaction that I'd earning money to keep my missus and myself in accommodation, but it also gives me a chance to meet new people and have other friends besides my own. I do get paid a lot, but in my old job working for a boat company, I was on minimum wage, and I still enjoyed that. In fact, it was the best job I will ever have I reckon. I do know that if I ever lost my job in the Tube, I'd go back to being a temp until I found something more permanently. Living off the government wouldn't suit me. My friend finished Uni in 2002, and has spent the last 8 years travelling around the world, scraping through on handouts and things. As much fun as he's had, he'll grow old regretting it IMO. Me, I need to know where my next pay cheque is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 My friend finished Uni in 2002, and has spent the last 8 years travelling around the world, scraping through on handouts and things. As much fun as he's had, he'll grow old regretting it IMO. Im sure he will have regretted travelling the globe, life isnt all about work/$$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 Absolute rubbish. If you wantto work you can get a job. If you want to earn more money tell your boss you want a pay rise, when he says no ask what do you need to do to get one, do it, get pay rise, get promoted by grafting, doing extra hours and training the skills you have and learning new ones, create contacts using basic social skills, save some money, start your own business, empoy people as hungry as you were, build business make loads of money for your family to enjoy the nicer things in life. Easy, anyone that moans about low pay, poor prospects are lazy scum in my opinion. Rather than looking for excuses have a look in the mirror and ask what you could do to make your and your families life better, if that means moving to a different area/ country whatever - do it or stop moaning. what if youve asked for a pay rise, but apparently at the top of the scale? what if youve had the same salary for 3 years, very low, always working hard, but cant even get an uincrease in line with inflation cos "theres a recession on" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 what if youve asked for a pay rise, but apparently at the top of the scale? what if youve had the same salary for 3 years, very low, always working hard, but cant even get an uincrease in line with inflation cos "theres a recession on" These have been very difficult times for most businesses. If you employ 30 people then a 3% pay rise equals one job and sometimes the decision is between paying more or losing some workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 These have been very difficult times for most businesses. If you employ 30 people then a 3% pay rise equals one job and sometimes the decision is between paying more or losing some workers. Problem is that excuse will last a lot longer than the difficult times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 These have been very difficult times for most businesses. If you employ 30 people then a 3% pay rise equals one job and sometimes the decision is between paying more or losing some workers. Doesn't seem to have stopped the executives of the FTSE 100 companies averaging a 55% pay rise this year. And bear in mind it's 55% of quite a large amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 Problem is that excuse will last a lot longer than the difficult times. It's not an excuse. I know many small businesses who only kept going because the owners took no salary. Some even put in their life savings to keep going rather than lose staff but eventually the money runs out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 It's not an excuse. I know many small businesses who only kept going because the owners took no salary. Some even put in their life savings to keep going rather than lose staff but eventually the money runs out. I understand that, but I expect there are also companies doing very well but use the "hard times" as an excuse not to pay people any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 I understand that, but I expect there are also companies doing very well but use the "hard times" as an excuse not to pay people any more. The only way to tell is to look at the books. Incidentally, in the US many companies have found that they prefer working with smaller workforces, even if it's with a smaller turnover. But whoever you sre, if you've been stung badly you will be very slow to take people on again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 No aspirations, no culture, a problem class created by various injustices and various idiots who then self-reinforce and celebrate their own ridiculous life choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 That's illegal, isn't it? The minimum wage is £5.93 an hour. No, it depends how old you are Minimum wage went up in the last few weeks but this is what I believe it is: Under 18 - £3.64 18 and over - £4.92 (up from £4.83) Over 21 (was 22) - £5.93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 I haven't worked since I inherited lots of money years ago. I am agoraphobic though, so I just stay indoors drinking tea and winding up my ginger housemate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 I haven't worked since I inherited lots of money years ago. I am agoraphobic though, so I just stay indoors drinking tea and winding up my ginger housemate. danny alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 Robsk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 Read 'Life at the bottom - the worldview that makes the underclass' by Theodore Dalrymple. One of the best books I have ever read about the reasons why the underlcass exist. Just been looking at the reviews on Amazon and have bought this myself now, looks an interesting read, good shout Barney!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 No, it depends how old you are Minimum wage went up in the last few weeks but this is what I believe it is: Under 18 - £3.64 18 and over - £4.92 (up from £4.83) Over 21 (was 22) - £5.93 Hmm my mistake - I made the assumption that we WERE talking about adult wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 Hmm my mistake - I made the assumption that we WERE talking about adult wages. Well it doesn't sound like a well paid or highly skilled job, and someone 18-21 is an adult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 Well it doesn't sound like a well paid or highly skilled job, and someone 18-21 is an adult. I think we're at cross purposes here The minimum wage for 18 (to 21) year olds is £4.92 and over 21 it's £5.93. I don't know what sort of age the poster was looking for for the job in question. I'd assumed, given that no information was given, that it was an over 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 31 October, 2010 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2010 Read 'Life at the bottom - the worldview that makes the underclass' by Theodore Dalrymple. One of the best books I have ever read about the reasons why the underlcass exist. Just been looking at the reviews on Amazon and have bought this myself now, looks an interesting read, good shout Barney!! I'm in the middle of The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. Quite extraordinary what some of our parents and grandparents 'tolerated' as normal. Re the OP I was not referring to ALL people on the dole, I was on about people like the chap on the programme. Having said that my starting point with people who claim benefits is that they are genuine and that there is more to their story than meets the eye. OF COURSE I am wrong about some of them, but to label everyone on benefits, dole, ILA, etc etc as "SCUM" and worse is actually in my very humble opinion nearer to idiocy that those the insult is aimed at. If people have not experienced first hand these people's situation then can we honestly say that we can judge them? Leaving school at 15 to learn the trade and work honestly for decades in that and only that trade only to have it whipped away from you is a social injustice, it is not fair. Bear in mind that the chap in the programme had to endure the fact that the job still existed, only he wasn't the man doing it and for no other reason than the company who took the job on (and subsequently 'subbed' it out AT A PROFIT) had snuck in due to the one that had the work sold to them messed it up and went bust. Surely the incoming company could/should have taken on the workforce too initially? Nah, scrap heap for these scrounging scum, not their problem, apparently they are now OUR problem and to some they really are a problem and should leapfrog 20+ years of the IT revolution and learn to do something else instead. NEWSFLASH - IT AINT THAT EASY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 the gap betweeen rich and poor keeps widening as capitalism takes hold on this planet Maybe, but it's like Lady Thatcher says. The richer are richer and the poor are richer. Better that than the rich being poorer and the poor being poorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 Maybe, but it's like Lady Thatcher says. The richer are richer and the poor are richer. Better that than the rich being poorer and the poor being poorer. That old t wat always did talk ******** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 That old t wat always did talk ******** She's talking complete sense. The Capitalist system raises living standards. That is why North Americans, Oceanians and Western Europeans have the highest standards of living. You might not like this fact, but it is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 Even if I won the lottery, I'd want to work. The attraction to do bugger all would be great for a short while, but you'd soon get bored of it. I'd probably buy a pub and run it. I love work, not only does it give me a sense of longing, and satisfaction that I'd earning money to keep my missus and myself in accommodation, but it also gives me a chance to meet new people and have other friends besides my own. I do get paid a lot, but in my old job working for a boat company, I was on minimum wage, and I still enjoyed that. In fact, it was the best job I will ever have I reckon. I do know that if I ever lost my job in the Tube, I'd go back to being a temp until I found something more permanently. Living off the government wouldn't suit me. My friend finished Uni in 2002, and has spent the last 8 years travelling around the world, scraping through on handouts and things. As much fun as he's had, he'll grow old regretting it IMO. Me, I need to know where my next pay cheque is coming from. how many lottery winners said that before striking paydirt I wonder and in any case, I wouldnt spend too much time planning for life after the lottery jackpot. Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 She's talking complete sense. The Capitalist system raises living standards. That is why North Americans, Oceanians and Western Europeans have the highest standards of living. You might not like this fact, but it is a fact. Sorry Dune i disagree. The capitalist system works fine for those at the very top,but it keeps those less fortunate at the very bottom.Every country that uses it,will always have an underclass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 Read 'Life at the bottom - the worldview that makes the underclass' by Theodore Dalrymple. One of the best books I have ever read about the reasons why the underlcass exist. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 31 October, 2010 Share Posted 31 October, 2010 (edited) Sorry Dune i disagree. The capitalist system works fine for those at the very top,but it keeps those less fortunate at the very bottom.Every country that uses it,will always have an underclass. Maybe so, but what would be better, using the relative strengths of all to create a homogenous society or using allowing the strengths of society to flourish allowing better potential benefit for all? I liken it to this; It's the Daleks or the Cybermen. What would you rather? Both are flawed but at least one allows for excellence to flourish and that is the only way humanity will grow. Socialism is nobel, but will never work as humanity itself is fundamentally flawed there will always be someone in it just for themselves. Play to it's desire to grow and succeed rather then it's inability to always do the right thing. Edited 31 October, 2010 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 1 November, 2010 Share Posted 1 November, 2010 I think we're at cross purposes here The minimum wage for 18 (to 21) year olds is £4.92 and over 21 it's £5.93. I don't know what sort of age the poster was looking for for the job in question. I'd assumed, given that no information was given, that it was an over 21. We can't discriminate on age, but suffice to say that the pay is way above min wage (so much so that someone is prepared to fly from Spain to work during the week). With this in mind, why have we only had one CV from UK residents of working age? It wasn't that long ago that you would have a queue of poles outside the front door, but they seem to have all gone home. We've now thrown it out to the recruitment agencies and I am sure we will find someone, but I am astounded at the lack of people who are prepared to work. In my mind it highlights a major problem with Britain that needs fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 1 November, 2010 Share Posted 1 November, 2010 Perhaps people want to work but don't reach the standards required by your company so they don't bother applying ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuengirola Saint Posted 1 November, 2010 Share Posted 1 November, 2010 We can't discriminate on age, but suffice to say that the pay is way above min wage (so much so that someone is prepared to fly from Spain to work during the week). With this in mind, why have we only had one CV from UK residents of working age? It wasn't that long ago that you would have a queue of poles outside the front door, but they seem to have all gone home. We've now thrown it out to the recruitment agencies and I am sure we will find someone, but I am astounded at the lack of people who are prepared to work. In my mind it highlights a major problem with Britain that needs fixing. Correct me if i'm wrong but you are in Chichester aren't you? It's not really on a par with Gateshead or Liverpool when it comes to unemployment is it? That said why are the job centre not sending people to you? It sounds perfect, training given, no previous experience necessary, What is the wage out of interest? If its that good i might come back to work during the week as well ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 1 November, 2010 Share Posted 1 November, 2010 So if everyone did that, who would do the menial minimum-wage jobs that are essential to the rest of society? Those happy to go about their business without moaning. People like my Mum, a retired ex teacher, and missus, a teacher. They don't/ didn't get into teaching for money, more what they get out of helping others. These people are essential to any civilized society and without them we wouldn't function. Absolute tosh. There are a significant percentage of people who do not want the stress and the responsibility of the rat race; people who are not power-hungry and ambitious and have no interest in having a 'career'. After all, the only reason we go out to work is to earn money to support ourselves as this is the only way we can get by in a capitalist society. I know plenty of people like this and they are honest, hard-working people who just want to do what they have to in order to earn a living and spend the rest of their time as they see fit. According to you, people like this are lazy scum are they? Again, good on them. Sorry but I really don't see what I've said in my post than conflicts anywhere with what you've posted? Those content with a job that provides a good work life balance that may not pay as well as other jobs good luck to them. However I have a problem with those that moan about their pay without ever doing anything about it, or moan they are better than their boss, again, without ever doing anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 1 November, 2010 Share Posted 1 November, 2010 So if you're underpaid but can't find a better job, or in a job you love but being underpaid you are scum? You get some really nice people on this site. So if you're underpaid but can't find a better job: First of all, are you underpaid? Do some research, phone competitors, tell your boss your worth more? If the companies making money ask what you have to do to get a pay rise, do it and more. Exceed expectations then ask again. I'd take to tas why can't you get another job, how hard have you tried? Have you called all relevant recruitment consultants, offered to use your holiday time to work for a competitor for free for a week as a good mate of mine, a spiral wielder did - (this got him a 30% pay rise at a competitor and better working conditions). in a job you love but being underpaid - Great, surely you don't do that job for the money? If money is such a key motivator I'd consider leaving the idillic job and chasing the money. You'll probably hate it and want your old job back before long though. No problemt with those that work in a job they love for low pay, good on them. However when they moan their pay is too low again, ask the boss, improve performance etc etc but ultimately remember why you do the job in the forst place and stop moaning! You get some really nice people on this site - Can you please clarify what I have posted that is not "nice"? Just to reaffirm my point, low pay and high job enjoyment - good on ya, moan about low pay and do nothing about it - your own fault, quit the moaning or get another job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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