another one bites the dust

[buctootim]

You and Hypo must take special pills.

[John B]

oh and in answer to elsewhere on here, frazer in,guly out,chaplow out.........punch in not aox.

my friend is a friend of a player at notts co who confirmed this to me!! which is quite worrying

 

 

 

Seems to have good information perhaps some of his other stuff is genuine

Edited 30 October, 2010 by Saint_clark
Sorted the quote out for you

[Saint_clark]

Leftback has got the team right on many occasions, but been completely wrong on other matters. He probably does have an insider who likes to make out he's in the thick of things, when in reality he just holds the pen and paper whilst Adkins is thinking who to pick.

Besides, no-ones doubting that the Chief Scout has been sacked - the majority of us however trust Cortese' judgement, rather than lapping up the media drivel and turning on probably the best chairman outside the Prem, and certainly better than a few inside it.

[The Kraken]

Seems to have good information perhaps some of his other stuff is genuine

 

I think leftback has been on the nose many more times than he's been wrong with information out of the club; unfortunately it tends to sometimes get caught up in his self-confessed anti Cortese/Reed/Hunter agenda.

[Andy_Porter]

On what basis is he the best chairman outside the PL?

 

He's done well so far but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

[Saint_clark]

On what basis is he the best chairman outside the PL?

 

He's done well so far but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

 

Despite what you read in the papers, it's my belief that the manager is left to do his job. Cortese keeps to himself, he doesn't try to get in the limelight all the time like some chairman/directors do (like our friends Al Fahim and Storrie).

He has restructured the club and won the admiration of other professionals in the game (there was a thread about a charity event where a Saints fan spoke to the Walsall chairman, who said that he was very impressed with what Cortese was doing).

Again, don't believe what the likes of Mitchell and Wharton tell you - they have proven themselves to be very unprofessional.

[Andy_Porter]

I don't base my opinion on what others say or idle rumour.

 

He's made some serious PR gaffs over the last 6-9 months. Removing the ST installment plan after the STH charter, the photography ban (fair play he realised and sorted it quickly), the whole moaning in the press about our league form and obviously sacking Pardew at the wrong time...

 

I've said a few times he should get a good PR person or team in, he obviously hates the press and can't deal with them. Would save himself a lot of embarassment.

 

Like I've said he's doing a decent enough job, just could be a lot better. Will be very interesting to see how he backs Adkins in January and what he does at the end of the season if we haven't achieved promotion. Personally I think the Pardew situation has or will knock us back a year.

[Saint_clark]

There was a reason given for the removal of installment plans at that STHs dinner he held. Apparently they are installing a swipe card system this summer coming to make things easier and cut out the people who didn't pay up.

[hypochondriac]

I don't base my opinion on what others say or idle rumour.

 

He's made some serious PR gaffs over the last 6-9 months. Removing the ST installment plan after the STH charter, the photography ban (fair play he realised and sorted it quickly), the whole moaning in the press about our league form and obviously sacking Pardew at the wrong time...

 

I've said a few times he should get a good PR person or team in, he obviously hates the press and can't deal with them. Would save himself a lot of embarassment.

 

Like I've said he's doing a decent enough job, just could be a lot better. Will be very interesting to see how he backs Adkins in January and what he does at the end of the season if we haven't achieved promotion. Personally I think the Pardew situation has or will knock us back a year.

 

Totally agree Andy. Very fair post.

[hypochondriac]

There was a reason given for the removal of installment plans at that STHs dinner he held. Apparently they are installing a swipe card system this summer coming to make things easier and cut out the people who didn't pay up.

 

I think it was the lack of explanation which most people had a problem with rather than the decision itself.

[hypochondriac]

I am very good friends with Alan Pardew's lawyer - in fact, she's my lawyer too. And I would advise some people to start saving.

 

Don't be silly. I was talking rubbish earlier so it's perfectly alright for people to spread false rumours.

[Saint_clark]

I think it was the lack of explanation which most people had a problem with rather than the decision itself.

 

Agreed, I was a bit peeved myself, but as everyone knows he comes from a banking background. He's been in this job for just over a year, so i'm willing to cut him some slack.

[miserableoldgit]

course you have, weston course you have,

 

oh and in answer to elsewhere on here, frazer in,guly out,chaplow out.........punch in not aox.

my friend is a friend of a player at notts co who confirmed this to me!! which is quite worrying

 

it will be interesting to see which crony the ridiculouc brothers get in as chief scout!

its a very big appointment with the most critical window in the five year plan fast approaching

think we should sell lala as well cos i think nicolina will not turn down any bid over 1 - 1.5 mill

he will not sell aox though although there will be interest from chels.

i hope my spelling and grammar are up to everybodies standards, but brandy in one hand and watching a head bobbing up and down can put the concentration levels in japrody

 

course you do weston course you do!!!!

 

Sadly, they are far from it.

Edited 30 October, 2010 by Saint_clark
No need for the insult.

[derry]

Maybe we need a proper chief scout more than most. The likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, S****horpe etc have no trouble building decent footballing sides with very little money and average wages on crowds about a third of ours. We on the other hand seem to deal in high cost average players. Maybe it is time to tap into the real hidden talent rather than the agent inspired high cost player attracted by the money available. I have a feeling under Adkins we may well be tapping into that market.

[miserableoldgit]

Sadly, they are far from it.

Fair enough - edit. Will you be editing, for example, post 60? If you are going to edit every post on here with a perceived insult, you will have a full time job on your hands.

[Saint_clark]

Obviously this isn't a full time job, which is why we will sometimes miss things.

Perhaps if the report button was actually used from time to time we would be able to delete or edit more of the insults off the forum.

[hypochondriac]

You and Hypo must take special pills.

 

I really would rather you just ignored my posts if you have nothing of interest to add. Following me around to comment on my posts just makes you look a bit weird.

[up and away]

I think it was the lack of explanation which most people had a problem with rather than the decision itself.

 

We all think the lack of explanation would be better, but it was not that difficult to work out as I said at the time. So you have no problem with the decision, just not understanding how it came about. This is minor in anyone's language, unless your in the business of making mountains out of molehills. I'm still trying to figure out why you put yourself forward as a mod, how's that going to work with everyone on ignore?

[hypochondriac]

We all think the lack of explanation would be better, but it was not that difficult to work out as I said at the time. So you have no problem with the decision, just not understanding how it came about. This is minor in anyone's language, unless your in the business of making mountains out of molehills. I'm still trying to figure out why you put yourself forward as a mod, how's that going to work with everyone on ignore?

 

But I haven't said it is major. It's something I think should be changed. Not sure why you think I have a vendetta against Cortese. I don't and I've actually been pleasantly surprised by events since the start of the season (with only a couple of minor exceptions.) With regards to people on ignore, I have two which is Alpine and TDD purely because they post just to provoke reaction and argument (TDD has admitted as much.) I knew I was never going to be a mod (I said as much at the time), I just thought it would be handy to have mods from both 'sides' of the debate to give some balance

[Saint_clark]

But I haven't said it is major. It's something I think should be changed. Not sure why you think I have a vendetta against Cortese. I don't and I've actually been pleasantly surprised by events since the start of the season (with only a couple of minor exceptions.) With regards to people on ignore, I have two which is Alpine and TDD purely because they post just to provoke reaction and argument (TDD has admitted as much.) I knew I was never going to be a mod (I said as much at the time), I just thought it would be handy to have mods from both 'sides' of the debate to give some balance

 

It's possible to moderate impartially and still hold your own opinion.

[aintforever]

I think leftback has been on the nose many more times than he's been wrong with information out of the club; unfortunately it tends to sometimes get caught up in his self-confessed anti Cortese/Reed/Hunter agenda.

 

Maybe that agenda is also based on fact?

[hypochondriac]

It's possible to moderate impartially and still hold your own opinion.

 

Take your point but also the moderating team should have people from different sides to avoid any bias which would occur. Take Keith and his banning spree for example.

[Faz]

Take your point but also the moderating team should have people from different sides to avoid any bias which would occur. Take Keith and his banning spree for example.

 

From different sides of what?

[hypochondriac]

From different sides of what?

 

Bad choice of phrase. As diverse views as possible to reflect the diverse views of the fanbase on here.

[dune]

fai left back. sit doewn **** up fpoooook off. taht is all.

[Legod Third Coming]

fai left back. sit doewn **** up fpoooook off. taht is all.

 

Lack of grammar, capitalisation, punctuation and total inability to spell. I think we know what you are Dune - my old English teacher!

[Wes Tender]

i hope my spelling and grammar are up to everybodies standards, but brandy in one hand and watching a head bobbing up and down can put the concentration levels in japrody

 

 

You want to go carefully, LB. I'd imagine that a puncure repair would be difficult inside the mouth of one of those blow-up dolls. Did it cost much?

[benjii]

Unless you're a disgruntled ex of some sort you'd have to be mental or silly not to be grateful for Cortese and optimistic about the Saints.

[PokingFun]

Maybe we need a proper chief scout more than most. The likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, S****horpe etc have no trouble building decent footballing sides with very little money and average wages on crowds about a third of ours. We on the other hand seem to deal in high cost average players. Maybe it is time to tap into the real hidden talent rather than the agent inspired high cost player attracted by the money available. I have a feeling under Adkins we may well be tapping into that market.

 

Unfortunately Derry, I don't believe that this method would be a high percentage strategy to achieve a short term plan. I mean, how long have Brighton and Bournemouth been scratching around in the lower divisions? Brighton seem strong, but Bournemouth are showing signs of cracking. We are showing signs of being well up to the task of promotion. To rely on hidden gems to get us up would be madness when we have some financial muscle for the league we are in. The scouting system should be identifying players for when we go up as well as a couple of additions for January. If a hidden gem comes along then fine, but it won't be the thing that gets us up, tried and trusted players in this league will though!

[MarkSFC]

Maybe we need a proper chief scout more than most. The likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, S****horpe etc have no trouble building decent footballing sides with very little money and average wages on crowds about a third of ours. We on the other hand seem to deal in high cost average players. Maybe it is time to tap into the real hidden talent rather than the agent inspired high cost player attracted by the money available. I have a feeling under Adkins we may well be tapping into that market.

 

I agree that the Chief Scout and his team are very important but I think as you move up the leagues they will have less impact overall.

 

Brighton, Bournemouth and indeed NAs former team have far different (and lower) ambitions to us. When clubs build or plan new stadia the capacity is the clear factor in determining long term ambitions. Bournemouth are planning to go to 14,000, suitable for mid to low Championship over the long term. Brightons Fslmer ground I think is just 21k which I think says their ambitions at mid championship sustainability with the odd season up in play-offs and maybe the odd foray into the Prem. Both these clubs will rely more on their scouting system as opposed to signings loads of players.

 

Scunny with their single figure attendances have clearly achieved their status ( obviously with NA) with a great scouting system. Therefore perhaps NA wants some of those guys here.

 

A good scouting system can obviously save you millions long term so I hope any appointments in this area are made for the long term good of the club.

[jam]

I agree that the Chief Scout and his team are very important but I think as you move up the leagues they will have less impact overall.

 

Brighton, Bournemouth and indeed NAs former team have far different (and lower) ambitions to us. When clubs build or plan new stadia the capacity is the clear factor in determining long term ambitions. Bournemouth are planning to go to 14,000, suitable for mid to low Championship over the long term. Brightons Fslmer ground I think is just 21k which I think says their ambitions at mid championship sustainability with the odd season up in play-offs and maybe the odd foray into the Prem. Both these clubs will rely more on their scouting system as opposed to signings loads of players.

 

Scunny with their single figure attendances have clearly achieved their status ( obviously with NA) with a great scouting system. Therefore perhaps NA wants some of those guys here.

 

A good scouting system can obviously save you millions long term so I hope any appointments in this area are made for the long term good of the club.

 

If I remember correctly, Adkins in his first press conference with us said that Scunny effectively didn't have a scouting network in comparison to here.

[MarkSFC]

If I remember correctly, Adkins in his first press conference with us said that Scunny effectively didn't have a scouting network in comparison to here.

 

I stand corrected! Although I put two and two together and assumed that if our Chief Scout has indeed been relieved of hid duties then maybe NA wanted "his man". Maybe Scunnys "network" was really just "one man"!!

 

Even if nothing to do with NA I just hope we are getting the best for the job that we possibly can!

[itchen]

course you have, weston course you have,

 

oh and in answer to elsewhere on here, frazer in,guly out,chaplow out.........punch in not aox.

my friend is a friend of a player at notts co who confirmed this to me!! which is quite worrying

 

it will be interesting to see which crony the ridiculouc brothers get in as chief scout!

its a very big appointment with the most critical window in the five year plan fast approaching

think we should sell lala as well cos i think nicolina will not turn down any bid over 1 - 1.5 mill

he will not sell aox though although there will be interest from chels.

i hope my spelling and grammar are up to everybodies standards, but brandy in one hand and watching a head bobbing up and down can put the concentration levels in japrody

 

course you do weston course you do!!!!

 

Not up to mine.

[itchen]

course you have, weston course you have,

 

oh and in answer to elsewhere on here, frazer in,guly out,chaplow out.........punch in not aox.

my friend is a friend of a player at notts co who confirmed this to me!! which is quite worrying

 

it will be interesting to see which crony the ridiculouc brothers get in as chief scout!

its a very big appointment with the most critical window in the five year plan fast approaching

think we should sell lala as well cos i think nicolina will not turn down any bid over 1 - 1.5 mill

he will not sell aox though although there will be interest from chels.

i hope my spelling and grammar are up to everybodies standards, but brandy in one hand and watching a head bobbing up and down can put the concentration levels in japrody

 

course you do weston course you do!!!!

 

It's difficult to work out exactly what all this means but it seems to be saying that Chaplow and Chamberlain will be out, while Puncheon will be in. Tonight's team:

 

Davis, Richardson, Harding, Seaborne, Fonte, Chamberlain, Chaplow, Hammond, Lallana, Barnard, Lambert.

[Window Cleaner]

It's difficult to work out exactly what all this means but it seems to be saying that Chaplow and Chamberlain will be out, while Puncheon will be in. Tonight's team:

 

Davis, Richardson, Harding, Seaborne, Fonte, Chamberlain, Chaplow, Hammond, Lallana, Barnard, Lambert.

 

but that was on Saturday, exactly as it was.

[John Smith]

I love this guy, it must be pardew though (probably not, but maybe a friend who aspires to such), picking the team with a brandy in one hand and a whore on his pole. No wonder we're doing so much better now! Being a professional is one thing, but as you can see from this statement, being a professional and doing a professional go hand in hand with some. I'm just glad we have professionals running this club and not just running their mouths. I can't imagine what state this club would be in if the likes of leftback had any influence on the day to day running of this club, certainly wouldn't be Saintly.

[The9]

There was a reason given for the removal of installment plans at that STHs dinner he held. Apparently they are installing a swipe card system this summer coming to make things easier and cut out the people who didn't pay up.

 

Yes there was, and it was nonsense - "In 2009 people defaulted on the DD payments and we lost money". Yes, and we wouldn't want that to happen again - but that was the only time the club had EVER offered that payment option, and it was only due to the lateness of Administration ending.

 

If the club had either announced the 2010/11 ST prices in March and therefore got the payments before the season started so no-one would have got tickets until they were paid for, OR announced an ST payment plan based on a credit agreement - as with the previous 10-ish years before the admin summer, then the same situation could not have occurred.

 

This little fact seems to be overlooked in the complete lack of analysis of Cortese's "justification". It remains likely that the only reason for the ST plan removal was an attempt to make fans pay on a more expensive match-by-match basis (which is at odds with pretty much every other club's view of the importance of guaranteed ST revenues).

[The9]

Unless you're a disgruntled ex of some sort you'd have to be mental or silly not to be grateful for Cortese and optimistic about the Saints.

 

Either that or someone who thinks Cortese's made enough questionable decisions that he needs to be checked on occasionally - neither mental nor silly - rather than blindly accepting everything he does, which might be.

 

I'm optimistic up to the point that the club's future beyond this season is nothing like as assured as it was with Markus around, but even with that rider I think we've got enough to get to the Championship and stay up with the current squad, it'll only be if we need to push on from there that we might find problems.

Edited 3 November, 2010 by The9