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and 4 points away from the play-off zone

And Hull are only 3 points from the top of the prem, does that mean they are title contenders ? The point at issue is not how many points we may have managed to scrounge in the first 10 games, but how well we are actually playing, and the question is then whether after the next ten games we will be any more than 3 points above the bottom three, because we sure as hell will be many more than 4 points adrift of the top 6.

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And arsehole lucky in all of them,heavily reliant on Davis.

 

When we get found out, lose our luck and Davis cannot manage any miracle

saves we get stuffed.

 

We are not improving we are stumbling along with bind hope and

over optimism.

yes our first defeat in 5 games,but we had a great season last year finishing fifth from bottom.i am happy with this side,we are not perfect and they will improve and get better.

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yes our first defeat in 5 games,but we had a great season last year finishing fifth from bottom.i am happy with this side,we are not perfect and they will improve and get better.

 

 

Players get better because better players are introduced to the team not because the current 11 get better

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yes our first defeat in 5 games,but we had a great season last year finishing fifth from bottom.i am happy with this side,we are not perfect and they will improve and get better.

 

 

My god you have low standards and expectations 5th bottom a great season?...how Lowe would love another 15,000 like you !

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My god you have low standards and expectations 5th bottom a great season?...how Lowe would love another 15,000 like you !

if you read the thread i was taken the fact we finished 5 th from bottom as a joke and now we have some on here knocking our young side,who in my view are better then last seasons side.i do not give a toss about lowe,wilde or crouch etc. i support saints threw the good and bad times .

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Pearson managed George Burley's team at SMS, he didn't have a preseason and he didn't have a transfer window. The only thing he had was the loan system and with Lucketti, Perry and Wright he used that to prefection, shoring up our weak spots. Perhaps Jan should take a leaf out of his book and get in a couple of defenders on loan, or does he think our defense is ok?

 

And he also brought in Pearce & Pericard on loan. That's 5 players half a team 4 of whom were on far higher wages than we can pay now.

It took him 12 games to realise that Lallana was better thaan BWP, Pericard & Licka etc and give him a place on the bench despite the fact that anybody who watched the reserves last season could see that Lallana more than deserved a starting place.

When NP took over we were 16th and Ladbrokes were offering 5-1 against us going down. After 12 games under Pearson we were odds on to go down and 22nd. We were 20 minutes from relegation and he has become a hero because we beat a Sheff Utd side who had nothing to play for after half time.

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if you read the thread i was taken the fact we finished 5 th from bottom as a joke and now we have some on here knocking our young side,who in my view are better then last seasons side.i do not give a toss about lowe,wilde or crouch etc. i support saints threw the good and bad times .

 

 

as I said before Lowe needs another 15,000 like you to bail him out

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Jan Poortvliet and Mark Wotte are hardly untested in Holland, but I take SaintRichmond's point. However, this is the cheap option, and Saints have always gone for the cheap option. Time to get over it and support the Club. We can always say told you so, if it all goes pear shaped.

 

Told you so!

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Rupert's Doctrine Beginning to Bear Meaningful Fruit

 

Coventry, much maligned, taken over by "Bad" SISU, who Lowe rejected out of hand, now Managed by a "no hope" Manager, Chris Coleman ....... are now 6th in the CCC, after anihilating a pathetic SAints Team 4 - 1

 

Leicester, relegated on last day of last season, managed by the "no hoper" Nigel Pearson, who, in spite of heavy odds against, did guide Saints to safety on the last day of season, rejected out of hand by Lowe, mainly because he had not appointed in in the first place ........... now sit TOP of Div 1

 

Saints, stripped of any and all recognised "seasoned" Pro's, and run by Two untried and unproven Dutch Coaches, having started out on the path of "Total Football", and now trying to add a few CCC type players ........ crash yet again to a very bad defeat ......... now sit proudly 3 points away from the Drop Zone

 

......... So, everything seems to be going to your wonderful "I know everything" plan then Rupert ........... ???

 

 

 

You're funny.

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And another 15,000 like you to force the club into administration. Just STFU why don't you? You're a whining pathetic loser and the club is better off without you with your current attitude.

No, the club is worse off without him. We can't afford to alienate anybody. We need all the support that we can get and it's attitudes like this that drive them away.

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Do you think the clubs situation would have been different if Rupert appointed Pearson with the current situation we are in.

 

 

In short ... YES

 

Pearson DOES know how to Man Manage. He is NOT a yes man. He DID turn things around last season. I think he would have gone on from that.

 

If Lowe had realised that selling ALL "experienced" CCC players was TOO far, then I think Pearson would have had a "blend" of Very good youngsters AND very good Experienced Pros to guide them

 

People who moan about Pearson should realise this

 

You can, in business, have 40 people to Man Manage. The SKILLS of those 40 people will be varied, some good, some average, and some not so good ...... BUT, the common denominator is the "skill", "calibre" etc of the person in charge

 

At Leicester, it matters not about them being a Division below us. Pearson's influence is there for all to see. ..... He HAS guided them to the Top

 

You can have a Squad comprising the best players in the world, but, unless they have a good Manager behind them, it does not mean they will win anything at all

 

Lowe made yet another massive error of judgement regarding Pearson, thanks mainly to his blind obsession that he is always right, and he did not appoint Pearson in the first place

 

The "experiment" of YOUTH was fraught with danger, and quite a few people, FOOTBALL people, told Lowe that he was heading for trouble, especially with Two "unknowns" being appointed as Coaches as well

 

Our League position tells the story .......... as it does with every Team

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Jan Poortvliet and Mark Wotte are hardly untested in Holland, but I take SaintRichmond's point. However, this is the cheap option, and Saints have always gone for the cheap option. Time to get over it and support the Club. We can always say told you so, if it all goes pear shaped.

 

The problem is that whilst many will still support the Club come what may (and many of them post on here), there are very many who will not turn up having witnessed another 4-1 drubbing on the box.

 

Results, and dare I say peformances, aren't enticing people back and Lowe & Wilde don't engender that "We're all in this together" spirit, so I think our support will suffer.

 

 

 

But that will not be a crumb of comfort to anyone, because that will mean the Club we love will really be in the mire.

 

I don't think there will any time for crowing or shouting told you so, because we will be more concerned with our Club being thrown to the Wolves. I personally would rather be out doing a bucket collection to pay the bills, as opposed to getting off on saying how prophetic I was!!!!!!!!

 

What a bizarre notion. Wait until the end of the season and complain about the club ceasing trading, when it has been apparent for all to see that it was going to happen from the start of the season.

 

Told you so!

 

I appreciate all your points guys, and although my told you so is a weak response to Lowe/Wilde, I think it may be all we have. None of us is in a position to alter things. The lack of attendances is not down to people who have better things to do, or have to work on matchdays, because that has always been the case. The lack of attendance is down to disenchanted supporters, with the current state of the club and where it has gone - I totally see that. But I fail to see where we can make a change in its fortunes.

 

Realistic suggestions please form a short orderly queue.

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Realistic suggestions please form a short orderly queue.

 

Don't sign any more squad players or ones with broken bones but actually get in some defenders - preferably ones that can head the ball.

If we are that skint why sign Gasmi, Pulis, Smith when every man and his dog (even the guide ones) can see our problem is defence. The only manager to recognise the fact we can't win a header is Pearson when bringing in Lucketti.

Watch Saturdays game again and tell me how many headers we won....I reckon about 10% and at least 2 goals came from losing the header.

Nearly every side has a big lump of a centre half..not us we gamble on a bloke thats been injured for 4 years, a 16 year old left back , a young lad that has played mainly as a ball winning midfielder in the youth side as a right back, play another untried lightweight ball playing youngster alongside a tiny guy in Perry.

Thomas was told he is surplus to requirements and has an injury, Svennson will miss more games than he plays so lets get in some loan with a bit of experience and height and brick up the real problem.

Let the youngsters then play the game as they can knowing they have a rock solid backline behind them if they make a mistake.

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And another 15,000 like you to force the club into administration. Just STFU why don't you? You're a whining pathetic loser and the club is better off without you with your current attitude.

 

Snowballs is a well respected poster who's probably done more games than you've had hot dinners.

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And Hull are only 3 points from the top of the prem, does that mean they are title contenders ? The point at issue is not how many points we may have managed to scrounge in the first 10 games, but how well we are actually playing, and the question is then whether after the next ten games we will be any more than 3 points above the bottom three, because we sure as hell will be many more than 4 points adrift of the top 6.

 

And because they're Hull, you're just going to ignore them? How many games have to be left with them 3 points from the top for them to become title contenders?

 

The point at issue is how many points we scrounge from 46 league games - yes we will undoubtably be more than 4 points from the play-offs IMO, but at the current run-rate, we'll be more than 3 points from the relegation zone.

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My message for Rupert would be:

 

If you are only doing what the Bank tells you to do (as many on here state almost as fact), why don't you step aside?

 

And for those of you that say that he is the 'only' option, I'm sure any one of us could do what the bank tell us to do.

 

Rupert wanted Crouch to step aside so that he could 'save Saints'. He was the 'best' option for our survival. Well, I'm still waiting and watching for this Saviour to return us to somoe form of firm footing.

 

The bank control the purse strings, Rupert controls the Player selection, JP controls the tactics employed on match day. Don't think we need to 'pay' someone in Ruperts position to sign cheques, Crouch can do that and he has done it for free.

 

STEP ASIDE RUPERT LOWE, STOP TEARING OUR CLUB APART!

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His opinion is as valid as yours Nickh.

 

Losing your supposed evenhandeness are we?

On a post like this I would not be evenhanded, it is just another excuse to cause unrest. Like him you never are happy and always seem to post anti club threads/opinions.

I defend the club as when it fails in the short or long term it will effect me as I have purt a lot of time money and emotion into it.Therefore Im not happy to see it being torn by some who dont have IMO realistic plans or beliefs.

Get a new chairman I really wouldnt mind but not like the last lot you and others proclaimed were our saviours.

I have read (I dont know if it is true) on here that RL will not sell unless the people coming in are prepared to invest long term.Now to me that is responsible as a custodian.

I wish for the fans to be united but it is a forlorn hope that it will ever be as so many just cant see the wood for the trees.

We cant find an investor and so you cut your cloth accordingly and some wont understand that and that is why as a nation we have so many borrowings because people live beyond their means.RL etc is trying to prevent us doing so at our club, it is painful but needed.

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Best post i have sen for a long time Give It To Ron.

 

Thanks ...I am so bloody frustrated at the way this club has ignored the basics since Svennson got injured at Krap Nottarf.

Every successful side has a foundation at the back - Reading bought Bikey and Sonko to do a job - Sonko in Readings promotion season was the best defender I have seen in this division since our relegation - look at Blackpool brick **** houses with ability that win virtually every header, Barnsley an absolute ****e team that never looked like conceding with Darren Moore playing for them.

 

We however continue to play lightweight make do's playing out of position rather than address the fact.

I do not need reminding we have no funds but the squad has to have the right balance - more wins means more money via gate receipts and you will struggle if you lose every single header that comes into the box.

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Thanks ...I am so bloody frustrated at the way this club has ignored the basics since Svennson got injured at Krap Nottarf.

Every successful side has a foundation at the back - Reading bought Bikey and Sonko to do a job - Sonko in Readings promotion season was the best defender I have seen in this division since our relegation - look at Blackpool brick **** houses with ability that win virtually every header, Barnsley an absolute ****e team that never looked like conceding with Darren Moore playing for them.

 

We however continue to play lightweight make do's playing out of position rather than address the fact.

I do not need reminding we have no funds but the squad has to have the right balance - more wins means more money via gate receipts and you will struggle if you lose every single header that comes into the box.

I think that is valid, I said some time ago was sick of our defenders players playing the gentlemen excuse me.It started with Claus after killer went and has never been rectified.We as fans like to see good football and so it is a difficult thing to balance. No nonsense defenders are a must but the club must know this and for some reason have failed to sign them.
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On a post like this I would not be evenhanded, it is just another excuse to cause unrest. Like him you never are happy and always seem to post anti club threads/opinions.

I defend the club as when it fails in the short or long term it will effect me as I have purt a lot of time money and emotion into it.Therefore Im not happy to see it being torn by some who dont have IMO realistic plans or beliefs.

Get a new chairman I really wouldnt mind but not like the last lot you and others proclaimed were our saviours.

I have read (I dont know if it is true) on here that RL will not sell unless the people coming in are prepared to invest long term.Now to me that is responsible as a custodian.

I wish for the fans to be united but it is a forlorn hope that it will ever be as so many just cant see the wood for the trees.

We cant find an investor and so you cut your cloth accordingly and some wont understand that and that is why as a nation we have so many borrowings because people live beyond their means.RL etc is trying to prevent us doing so at our club, it is painful but needed.

 

 

But Nickh, this argument falls down when the person who won't sell because of lack of promised investment, won't raise that investment himself! All well and good claiming that the shares are worth, what was it, 34 pence per share, but where are they at now? And let's face it, anybody who buys this club now is buying a shell. No real assets left, no more trimming to be done, a stadium with a bare minimum squad with a inexperienced manager. Any body that comes in inherits debt! No more, no less.

 

Customer loyalty has been stretched as far as it possibly can be. The bank are apparently making the financial decisions, so the question still remains, what are we paying Lowe to do? I can't make it out. If we are in all but administration, Lowe does not have the luxury to pick and chose his suitors, and that's from a business perspective. IF he really did want to sell, he could get the best price and leave, he's not wanted by the fans (a large portion anyway), he's not needed by the bank (even Wilde could do what they tell him to), his ideas for cost cutting came from Crouch (as per, closing the corners, removing free bus tickets, etc), the selling of players was a given, so why is he still here?

 

Something tells me there is more to this picture than meets the eye as it doesn't make good business sense to keep driving the valuation of this club downward if you are looking to sell??????????

 

Jacksons farm? Personal Vendetta? First signs of a man losing his marbles?

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I think that is valid, I said some time ago was sick of our defenders players playing the gentlemen excuse me.It started with Claus after killer went and has never been rectified.We as fans like to see good football and so it is a difficult thing to balance. No nonsense defenders are a must but the club must know this and for some reason have failed to sign them.

 

But no nonsense defenders and teams that play good football are not alien to each other and you can have both.

Look at WBA last season Robinson is no pussycat and they played great football.

We have made so many mistakes when it comes to defenders ..whoever gave Powell an extension to his contract needed shooting what a complete waste of money. He had a threepenny bit head and had more injuries than Pahars and Delgado put together.

We keep relying on Svennson to be fit...then panicked into signing Thomas who now 'allegedly' is earning too much to play - not sure if true but having spoken to him personally know he is very much out of favour here.

I like Killer and really wish him well and admire his tenacity BUT he now has the turning circle of the Titanic and have let our emotion rule over what is best for the team which is not banking on a 4 year injury miraculously healing and the player not suffering any reaction - especially playing him in needless cup games.

 

Don't get me started on defenders that stand there with their arm in the air!!! ;-)

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We are run and managed by 2 dogmatic egotists Nickh.

 

I can see it as plainly i could see what Burley was after a few months.

That is your opinion.RL is a pragmatist IMO, bit also looking to make a profit.That doesnt worry me as that is life, find us an investor to waste 10m and Im right with you.

As for GB he is an international manager now and so what you were right about I dont know.

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But no nonsense defenders and teams that play good football are not alien to each other and you can have both.

Look at WBA last season Robinson is no pussycat and they played great football.

We have made so many mistakes when it comes to defenders ..whoever gave Powell an extension to his contract needed shooting what a complete waste of money. He had a threepenny bit head and had more injuries than Pahars and Delgado put together.

We keep relying on Svennson to be fit...then panicked into signing Thomas who now 'allegedly' is earning too much to play - not sure if true but having spoken to him personally know he is very much out of favour here.

I like Killer and really wish him well and admire his tenacity BUT he now has the turning circle of the Titanic and have let our emotion rule over what is best for the team which is not banking on a 4 year injury miraculously healing and the player not suffering any reaction - especially playing him in needless cup games.

 

Don't get me started on defenders that stand there with their arm in the air!!! ;-)

All correct and I respect your judgement, but cant always agree of course.

I can only assume Powell was given another contract as we were unable to get a decent defender in, the management at thev time would have their own ideas on how they liked them and whilst I suspect I know the type of defender NP would bring in ( Id agree with the old fashioned English type) I expect Jan likes a cultured footballer.That may not work but it is still too soon to say he is wrong.

With youngsters you never know which team will turn up but after being Saints fans why are we surprised?

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But Nickh, this argument falls down when the person who won't sell because of lack of promised investment, won't raise that investment himself! All well and good claiming that the shares are worth, what was it, 34 pence per share, but where are they at now? And let's face it, anybody who buys this club now is buying a shell. No real assets left, no more trimming to be done, a stadium with a bare minimum squad with a inexperienced manager. Any body that comes in inherits debt! No more, no less.

 

Customer loyalty has been stretched as far as it possibly can be. The bank are apparently making the financial decisions, so the question still remains, what are we paying Lowe to do? I can't make it out. If we are in all but administration, Lowe does not have the luxury to pick and chose his suitors, and that's from a business perspective. IF he really did want to sell, he could get the best price and leave, he's not wanted by the fans (a large portion anyway), he's not needed by the bank (even Wilde could do what they tell him to), his ideas for cost cutting came from Crouch (as per, closing the corners, removing free bus tickets, etc), the selling of players was a given, so why is he still here?

 

Something tells me there is more to this picture than meets the eye as it doesn't make good business sense to keep driving the valuation of this club downward if you are looking to sell??????????

 

Jacksons farm? Personal Vendetta? First signs of a man losing his marbles?

As you are an anti, I totally understand where your post comes from.

Put it this way and only in the simplest form, what would a forward be worth to us who could guarentee 15 points this season?

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If you think Burley is an international class manager,i worry for you Nickh.

 

I saw early on that Burley was a poor motivator,complete excuse maker,and cluless about defence(seems to be a trait for international defenders who manage Saints).

 

If you don't think RL is egotistical,i think you are in a very small minority.Not even many of his supporters would agree with you there IMO.

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If you think Burley is an international class manager,i worry for you Nickh.

 

I saw early on that Burley was a poor motivator,complete excuse maker,and cluless about defence(seems to be a trait for international defenders who manage Saints).

 

If you don't think RL is egotistical,i think you are in a very small minority.Not even many of his supporters would agree with you there IMO.

It doesnt matter whether you worry about my judgement or not.He was deemed to be good enough by the people who matter, he was also seen from people outside the club ie neutrals and press etc to be doing well with the politics and all happening at the club(I dont necessarily adhere to that, or whether he is international material) but that is the case.

I look at other clubs and think 'why are they worrying' as xyz is doing well or the squad is good, wheras the fans are on the managers back. You only have to look at the Norwich forum to see that (I dont like Roeder but they are not that bad)

You judge RL as an Egotist, well I can see where you are coming from but he has come back and kept out of the limelight, hardly a man concerned with ego.I would say more singleminded myself and wanting to do it his way and take the blame if it goes wrong, not stray away from his own views to appease and then get blamed if it fails.

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And another 15,000 like you to force the club into administration. Just STFU why don't you? You're a whining pathetic loser and the club is better off without you with your current attitude.

 

You must love yourself, you are sooo good bet you kiss yourself at bedtime ! If you want to throw your money away I will not try and stop you, but one day you will wake up and realise it was not worth it

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It doesnt matter whether you worry about my judgement or not.He was deemed to be good enough by the people who matter, he was also seen from people outside the club ie neutrals and press etc to be doing well with the politics and all happening at the club(I dont necessarily adhere to that, or whether he is international material) but that is the case.

I look at other clubs and think 'why are they worrying' as xyz is doing well or the squad is good, wheras the fans are on the managers back. You only have to look at the Norwich forum to see that (I dont like Roeder but they are not that bad)

You judge RL as an Egotist, well I can see where you are coming from but he has come back and kept out of the limelight, hardly a man concerned with ego.I would say more singleminded myself and wanting to do it his way and take the blame if it goes wrong, not stray away from his own views to appease and then get blamed if it fails.

 

Wow, you'd jump off a cliff if Lowe asked you to, wouldnt you ?

 

Not only are the voices echoing your sentiments rapidly disappearing again, but most of the ones remaining such as Red and White Army are only resorting to abuse, on such shaky ground they know they are....

 

We're supposed to be broke, but we keep getting more and more midfielders and forwards in whilst we struggle to put out four full-time experienced and fit defenders week-in week-out. Oh, and we completely ignore a highly-capable left-back with a record of creating lots of goals.

 

F**king madness, or ego, or both...

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Graham Taylor could manage the current Leicester team and sit where they are. If they dont win the league then that will be an upset. NP wasnt a good manager and the fact is he had a crap record here with the 'supposed better players'.

 

I have to disagree.

 

Take a straw poll of anyone on this site, and if asked would we have survived relegation if Poortvliet had been manager for the last weeks of last season, and I bet I know what the outcome would have been.

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That is your opinion.RL is a pragmatist IMO, bit also looking to make a profit.That doesnt worry me as that is life, find us an investor to waste 10m and Im right with you.

As for GB he is an international manager now and so what you were right about I dont know.

 

Nikh, you don't really see us making a profit on our current attendances, surely?

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Wow, you'd jump off a cliff if Lowe asked you to, wouldnt you ?

 

Not only are the voices echoing your sentiments rapidly disappearing again, but most of the ones remaining such as Red and White Army are only resorting to abuse, on such shaky ground they know they are....

 

We're supposed to be broke, but we keep getting more and more midfielders and forwards in whilst we struggle to put out four full-time experienced and fit defenders week-in week-out. Oh, and we completely ignore a highly-capable left-back with a record of creating lots of goals.

 

F**king madness, or ego, or both...

I dont have to answer to anyone in my life except the vat and tax man,.... oh and my wife. So perhaps with that freedom I can make up my own mind.

I dont need to be told to jump off a cliff unless I want to.

 

No doubt you are feeling confident this week as you are on the back of a defeat and the dissenters are out in force. Do you think that because you are in the majority I will say nothing.You may be part of a flock but i use my own brain to make my own opinions and judgements.

A top stockbroker who was a major shareholder in Saints a few years ago (sadly he died recently) who was very respected in the city had a motto it went on the lines of 'always question the perceived wisdom' He became a multi milionaire and had the responsility of 100'm pounds worth of investments if not billions. He was known also for telling people in the City that the market was from too overvalued and was pilloried for that.

So just because you have many in your crusade it doesnt mean you are the font of all knowledge.

Now where is that plan you told us about?

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I have to disagree.

 

Take a straw poll of anyone on this site, and if asked would we have survived relegation if Poortvliet had been manager for the last weeks of last season, and I bet I know what the outcome would have been.

I think that is valid, but also with the squad we have now would have NP and I for 1 still say that he took us into the relegation spot in the first place when he arrived we were miles clear.I still was happy to give him a chance though.
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