alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Great, another hole in the defence budget. Totally inexcusable considering HMS Trafalgar did the same thing a few years before, costing millions to repair. Another court martial beckons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Not sure it's trashed. Reports say it encountered "difficulties" but an eyewitness seemed to think it had grounded. In shipping terms that could be very very bad or not too bad at all (depending on how fast it was going, what it is grounded on etc). MOD claiming it is ok and that no-one is injured and there is no risk to the environment. Where's Dell Days at the mo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Not on astute... Comparing trafalgar is stupid Stanley, do you know the reasons why trafalgar had problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Not on astute... Comparing trafalgar is stupid Stanley, do you know the reasons why trafalgar had problems stanleys dune not alpine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Not on astute... Comparing trafalgar is stupid Stanley, do you know the reasons why trafalgar had problems Hit rocks off Skye apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Trafalgar_(S107) Allegedly tracing paper (or something) was left covering that part of the charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Hit rocks off Skye apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Trafalgar_(S107) Allegedly tracing paper (or something) was left covering that part of the charts. The tracing paper one has always confused me slightly. The report stated that tracing paper was on the chart to prevent students marking it and as a result it obscured vital information. Now I'm not a submariner so I don't know how they position fix (TDD can no doubt advise) but on a surface ship we allow trainees/cadets to fix on the chart as it is the only way they will learn. And we only fix in pencil so it can be rubbed out on completion of the passage. Again I don't know, but I imagine it can't be to different on a sub? We only use tracing paper to correct charts and even then you can still see through them. We use British Admritalty charts so would be interested to know what charts a sub uses and how different they are to surface charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Tracing paper would have been used over the charts to build up a tactical picture without drawing all over the chart itself... Sorry alps for confusing you with dune And we all now use electronic charts and done away with paper charts and tracing paper.. There was more to it as many mates were on trafalgar at the time but it is all secret... But just say it was a series of blunders not just one.. There is always far more to these stories than the sensationalist press would have you believe.. I remember an article years ago about a sub I was on... The article claimed that food poison hit 90% o the ships company and we had to be quarantined tied to the buoy in Plymouth sound and that vital operations had to be cancelled.. It was a great laugh at the time as it was so far from the truth it was unreal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Tracing paper would have been used over the charts to build up a tactical picture without drawing all over the chart itself... And we all now use electronic charts and done away with paper charts and tracing paper.. We are mainly electronic charts as well now. Take it the subs ECDIS are GPS driven then? Do you still have any paper charts? We tend to keep them mainly for overviews and reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 We are mainly electronic charts as well now. Take it the subs ECDIS are GPS driven then? Do you still have any paper charts? We tend to keep them mainly for overviews and reference. Yep the very same. We do carry paper charts as back up but only home ward routing if this side of the med.. Gib routing if in the med etc etc.. Also back up top secret charts for certain operations etc Nothing like the number of charts we used to carry.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 As for astute.. I believe its stern is only resting on the muddy bottom and waiting fir tugs to pull it clear at the right time This is the first of class and the biggest hunter killer we have ever had.. These things are going to happen in sea trials.. The whole point is to put the boat into tight situations to see what it an and can't do etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 So why is it totally inexcusable Alpine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Astute has been refloated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Considering it's new there was lots of green slime below the waterline. I'd have thought they'd have kept it polished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Said on the radio that the heavy tug used to assist her is on the list for the chop - they'd better be more careful with her in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Said on the radio that the heavy tug used to assist her is on the list for the chop - they'd better be more careful with her in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Isn't this what subs are supposed to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Isn't this what subs are supposed to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Isn't this what subs are supposed to do? What, get stuck in the mud??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Isn't this what subs are supposed to do? What, get stuck in the mud??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 What, get stuck in the mud??? Yes. Without the common sense of women crew members, it's inevitable, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 What, get stuck in the mud??? Yes. Without the common sense of women crew members, it's inevitable, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Yes. Without the common sense of women crew members, it's inevitable, surely. Yes. That's correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Yes. Without the common sense of women crew members, it's inevitable, surely. Yes. That's correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Great, another hole in the defence budget. Totally inexcusable considering HMS Trafalgar did the same thing a few years before, costing millions to repair. Another court martial beckons... Not surprised, the RN has been ****e ever since Horatio called it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Great, another hole in the defence budget. Totally inexcusable considering HMS Trafalgar did the same thing a few years before, costing millions to repair. Another court martial beckons... Not surprised, the RN has been ****e ever since Horatio called it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 October, 2010 Share Posted 22 October, 2010 Not surprised, the RN has been ****e ever since Horatio called it a day. I don't think he had much choice in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 23 October, 2010 Share Posted 23 October, 2010 There is always far more to these stories than the sensationalist press would have you believe.. I remember an article years ago about a sub I was on... The article claimed that food poison hit 90% o the ships company and we had to be quarantined tied to the buoy in Plymouth sound and that vital operations had to be cancelled.. It was a great laugh at the time as it was so far from the truth it was unreal... Repairing underwater damage after hitting a submarine from the USSR and keeping the crew to make sure they were word perfect when giving the false story out. Usually they kept them just away from port, repaired them enough to get back then sailed in as though nothing had happened. Families spun a story which being good navy types they "believed". Proper repairs then done during the next refit which was brought forward as a slot in the calendar had suddenly become available. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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