corky morris Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 In fairness in the first half he tried hard, but with very little end product. He hit the post, but the shot was tame & always turning away from goal. I dont rate him to be honest. The main reason is that he does not take on the full back enough. He does not have the pace to get round people & simply nowhere near the skill of Lallana. I wish he would cross with his right foot sometimes as well.
modern matron Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 Disagree. He has the first touch of a stumbling camel and a shot that is even worse. He needs to improve - and practising kicking balls against a wall and trapping bags of cement would be a good start. Once he has mastered those tekkers he can go back to playing the way he is trying to play. Absolute rubbish!!!
LostBoys Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 Poor performance overall. Some of the things he does are fabulous and the next minute he is just dire. I do not want to diss any SFC player but when he was played in on the right in the first half he had a 15 yard 'hole' to place the ball between the keeper and the defender to reach the other Saints forward. What does he do straight at the defender. Sorry but there are thousands of players in the Southampton parks this weekend who could have made that easy pass.
modern matron Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 To be accurate I described him as a 'poor-to-average' player and I saw nothing much to make me change my mind today. As for the supposedly wonderful first half performance you saw from him, I'd say you really are too easily pleased. I take it you disagreed with the managers decision to give him the 'big hook' for a raw 17 year kid, who some might say did more in 20 minutes than Puncheon did in 70. Sorry you are wrong. He was by far our most dangerous player in the first half.....
modern matron Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 (edited) Frankly this is like a Puncheon witch hunt! The bloke played well yet people just want to slag the bloke off. In the first half he was our best player. Get off his back.... Edited 23 October, 2010 by Saint_clark No need for the insults
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 I don't think he is anywhere near as bad as is made out tbf. There must be a bash a player band wagon going around and Puncheon currently has his name on it. If anything though it shows the state of the quality we have in the first 11 to have a player that shows so much class and effort to be the focus of boos. Don't get me wrong he isn't hitting the peaks of last year, and his confidence is down but he still recieves the ball more than any other player for a reason, and that is that his team mates know the quality he possesses.
Liquidshokk Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 I don't think he is anywhere near as bad as is made out tbf. There must be a bash a player band wagon going around and Puncheon currently has his name on it. If anything though it shows the state of the quality we have in the first 11 to have a player that shows so much class and effort to be the focus of boos. Don't get me wrong he isn't hitting the peaks of last year, and his confidence is down but he still recieves the ball more than any other player for a reason, and that is that his team mates know the quality he possesses. If anyone should be bashed it's chaplow... Couple of good moments but makes far too many mistakes with his passing. But that's for another thread :-D
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 If anyone should be bashed it's chaplow... Couple of good moments but makes far too many mistakes with his passing. But that's for another thread :-D I am impressed with his industry, but not so much his passing. If we can get him cheap he is atleast better than Hammond and Wotton. But not what i would call what we NEED in the middle next to Morgan. Another thing on the Punch debate. Why is it when Lallana loses the ball as he has no-one supporting him he gets the sympathy vote and people say 'he should be supported better' however when it happens to Puncheon he is crap and un-decisive ?
NickG Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 Puncheon worked hard as well - was twice as effective as Lallana in first half - although other way around 2nd
hamster Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 Punch pulled them wide in the first 15, then was told by NA to get inside, donl;t know why as it was looking like us taking the lead, he was pulling 2 of their players with him and laying odff some good balls. people wanting him to chase back, collect, pass, cross and score all at the the same time are deluded, he's actually having to adapt to the lower expectations of this lower league and sadly some just don;t realise that he is just the type of player who will we will need next season (promotion permitting). There's an old saying about the harder one works the luckier one gets, time will tell but not if he buggers off due to all the crap he receives from the tactically football inept in our fanbase.
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 Originally Posted by Kingsbridge Saint Disagree. He has the first touch of a stumbling camel and a shot that is even worse. He needs to improve - and practising kicking balls against a wall and trapping bags of cement would be a good start. Once he has mastered those tekkers he can go back to playing the way he is trying to play. Absolute rubbish!!! From the post match thread: Puncheon - 4: Poor touch, poor decisions, no width and caught off-side. Also Puncheon Off, Oxo on = Winning Goal. Go figure
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 Originally Posted by Kingsbridge Saint Disagree. He has the first touch of a stumbling camel and a shot that is even worse. He needs to improve - and practising kicking balls against a wall and trapping bags of cement would be a good start. Once he has mastered those tekkers he can go back to playing the way he is trying to play. From the post match thread: Puncheon - 4: Poor touch, poor decisions, no width and caught off-side. Also Puncheon Off, Oxo on = Winning Goal. Go figure It is pretty much rubbish. I notice you didn't qoute Chez who commented on his great 1st touch, and thats from a poster whos footballing opinion is pretty much spot on.
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 October, 2010 Posted 23 October, 2010 Punch pulled them wide in the first 15, then was told by NA to get inside, donl;t know why as it was looking like us taking the lead, he was pulling 2 of their players with him and laying odff some good balls. people wanting him to chase back, collect, pass, cross and score all at the the same time are deluded, he's actually having to adapt to the lower expectations of this lower league and sadly some just don;t realise that he is just the type of player who will we will need next season (promotion permitting). There's an old saying about the harder one works the luckier one gets, time will tell but not if he buggers off due to all the crap he receives from the tactically football inept in our fanbase. Spot on Hammy
SFKA South Woodford Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 Puncheon is either lazy or unfit, today he played moderately for 35 mins and then started standing around with his hands on his hips, so something is wrong with the guy if he thinks that's his job done for the day! Shortly before he was taken off we were in possession and he should of been pushing on down the line, but he just stood there with his hands on his hips while the ball was only a few yards away from him. He made no effort to get involved in the play, when he could of, if nothing else pulled some of their players out of position by making the run. I just don't see what some on here see in him. I would have Ox playing in his place anyday, and still think that Papa and Antonio gave us much more than he does. He needs to start showing a hell of lot more willingness to bust a gut and give much more end product before i'll start changing my mind about him being too much of a show pony, with little graft and end product.
NickG Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 Did anyone play better in first half? I don't think so. He does fade in 2nd half though
Hopkins Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 he's actually having to adapt to the lower expectations of this lower league and sadly some just don;t realise that he is just the type of player who will we will need next season (promotion permitting). Eh? Lower expectations of this lower league? I'm sorry, but as much as I don't mind Puncheon, to say that he's having adapt to a lower league is just wrong. When has he performed and excelled in a higher league? He got let go from Plymouth and has played most of his Career for MK Dons in this league and Barnet in a lower league. Don't let facts get in the way of a dig though. Especially one that results in an epic fail.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 That notion that a player who is struggling to make much of a impact in the 3rd Division will somehow magically perform significantly better at a higher level is as risible now as it has always been. As for yesterdays performance, some on here don't seem to have noticed that time and time again Oldham's Left Back gave Puncheon about a acre of space to play in during the first half. With that amount of space (and benefiting from being fed with superbly accurate long range passing by the likes of Morgan Schneiderlin) Puncheon can be quite effective. But once Paul Dickov had addressed this obvious issue during his half time team talk Puncheon's influence on the game diminished dramatically and he was deservedly substituted.
corky morris Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 Did anyone play better in first half? I don't think so. He does fade in 2nd half though Yep. Butterfield, Seabourne, Morgan. The rest were much of a muchness, but if you dont give Lallana the ball he cant make a difference. Who was it that was fouled for the free kick that lead to the goal? Oh yes, Lallana. Puncheon saw a lot of the ball & simply did not produce enough end product. I want the guy to play well, but it has been a while since he has. Maybe knowing that Antonio & Waigo were on the bench inspired him? Now having Oxo pushing on & scoring will do the same? Also he looks a bit overweight to me.
Doctoroncall Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 Puncheon worked hard as well - was twice as effective as Lallana in first half - although other way around 2nd This is the bit I don't get, all the players worked hard, I didn't see any player shirk that responsibility. I've seen Puncheon play a few times and this is the poorest I've seen him play, whereas he's made a real contribution to the game be crossing, pass & move, shots etc. An interesting observation by hamster though: Punch pulled them wide in the first 15, then was told by NA to get inside, donl;t know why as it was looking like us taking the lead, he was pulling 2 of their players with him and laying odff some good balls. certainly better in a discussion thread than ridiculous statements such as: ...if he buggers off due to all the crap he receives from the tactically football inept in our fanbase. or It is pretty much rubbish There was one moment in the second half Puncheon receive a ball in space with one defender to beat, yet he didn't try nor did he delivery a decent cross. You could see his frustration that he should have done better. Another thing on the Punch debate. Why is it when Lallana loses the ball as he has no-one supporting him he gets the sympathy vote and people say 'he should be supported better' however when it happens to Puncheon he is crap and un-decisive ? See above and it wasn't the only time. At least with Lallana you could see he was trying to make the most of the situation with his skill, it didn't pay off until the second half. When oxo came on he always tried to cut inside or go down the line, it didn't always work, but he was willing to attack.
benjii Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 I don't think he is anywhere near as bad as is made out tbf. There must be a bash a player band wagon going around and Puncheon currently has his name on it. If anything though it shows the state of the quality we have in the first 11 to have a player that shows so much class and effort to be the focus of boos. Don't get me wrong he isn't hitting the peaks of last year, and his confidence is down but he still recieves the ball more than any other player for a reason, and that is that his team mates know the quality he possesses. Absolutely right. His attitude is top notch. He was probably our best player in the first half yesterday. He was eclipsed by Lallana in the second and obviously the mix up of styles worked to good effect when AC came on but Puncheon's contribution is not understood by many of the more vocal elements of the crowd at SMS, sadly. There were a couple of neutrals behind me (for some reason!) and they commented on how Puncheon was the best player on the pitch in the first half. Puncheon, Lallana and Guly are a clear class above League One standard in terms of ability and all work hard and give it their all. We are lucky to be able to enjoy watching such players in the third division.
NickG Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 That notion that a player who is struggling to make much of a impact in the 3rd Division will somehow magically perform significantly better at a higher level is as risible now as it has always been. As for yesterdays performance, some on here don't seem to have noticed that time and time again Oldham's Left Back gave Puncheon about a acre of space to play in during the first half. With that amount of space (and benefiting from being fed with superbly accurate long range passing by the likes of Morgan Schneiderlin) Puncheon can be quite effective. But once Paul Dickov had addressed this obvious issue during his half time team talk Puncheon's influence on the game diminished dramatically and he was deservedly substituted. so our most positive outlet, creating most of our attacking play, wasn't due to Puncheon beating his man - or actually stealing the ball off the RB as he did on a couple of occasions but due to the generosity of the RB! Stop looking for negatives ffs.
OldNick Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 Puncheon was the only attacking threat we had in the first half, and probably our best player
NickG Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 Puncheon was the only attacking threat we had in the first half, and probably our best player totally agree.
corky morris Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 Puncheon was the only attacking threat we had in the first half, and probably our best player Oh yea he won the free kick for the goal didnt he.............................
OldNick Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 Oh yea he won the free kick for the goal didnt he............................. no he didn't but does that make you the best player if you win a free kick????
Thedelldays Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 Puncheon played well in the first half... Always wanted the ball and drew 2 defenders on him at all times... Another play (like Morgan) not rated who would start in another team better than us
Window Cleaner Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 Puncheon played well in the first half... Always wanted the ball and drew 2 defenders on him at all times... Another play (like Morgan) not rated who would start in another team better than us what like Gillett and Fish Mills you mean. We have a big big problem you know it's called Lambert Tunnel Vision.Bloke is total dump at the moment, Barnard is more likely to score but we have to pick him anyway.It's throwing the whole system out,putting stress onto other players.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 so our most positive outlet, creating most of our attacking play, wasn't due to Puncheon beating his man - or actually stealing the ball off the RB as he did on a couple of occasions but due to the generosity of the RB! Stop looking for negatives ffs. The answer to your question would be 'yes' and if you swear at me again I will report you to the moderators.
Smirking_Saint Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 The answer to your question would be 'yes' and if you swear at me again I will report you to the moderators. Lol
NickG Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 The answer to your question would be 'yes' and if you swear at me again I will report you to the moderators. and I will report you for incorrect use of words you don't understand.
St Chalet Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 Gents, can we keep to the subject of 'Jason Puncheon out to prove a point' please?
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 and I will report you for incorrect use of words you don't understand. Sorry my mistake, you were of course admitting to a past incidence of Facial Feminisation Surgery and not engaging in crude insults. If you are still referring to my (perfectly correct) employment of the word 'sanctimonious' then I'm sorry that this seems to irk you for some reason, although I must admit your vast posting history on here and that very word do seem to go together like a 'horse & carriage' as they say. By the way, I would expect even a moderately bright 10 year old to know that the first word of a sentence should be spelt with a capital letter. Happy to help.
St Chalet Posted 24 October, 2010 Posted 24 October, 2010 (edited) I'll take your response to my request as a no then. Apologies to those that were actually posting about the thread subject. Edited 24 October, 2010 by St Chalet
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