Puncheon out to prove us wrong

[Wes Tender]

everybody was excellent against Tranmere because they we're so frigging bad.

I'd look good against a girl guides side like that.Tranmere are poor anyway, that day they had a reserve stuffed side out to boot,young loan players in the main.

 

Yes, Tranmere are bottom, because they lost against sides like us. But on the other hand, they are so bad, that they could only manage to draw against Brighton, who are top. They managed to beat Peterborough, who are second. They could only draw against Huddersfield who are fifth and who beat us comprehensively. They beat Bristol Rovers who are 9th and who of course we also beat. They beat Walsall down near the bottom with them and drew against Charlton.

 

But the results against Brighton, Peterborough and Huddersfield in particular, tend to suggest that they aren't entirely the total crap team that you suggest.

[holepuncture]

How is the breakdown of play when he is in posession any less frustrating or demotivating than when it used to breakdown when BWP fell over the ball ?

 

Good point!

 

He takes chances and makes things happen for us, that is all.

[NorthamSteve]

Fair play to you Punch. Chin up lad.

[Smirking_Saint]

How is the breakdown of play when he is in posession any less frustrating or demotivating than when it used to breakdown when BWP fell over the ball ?

 

Because BWP was Sh*te.

 

You can see Punch has the class and is able to make things happen, in fact a lot of times he does. He is so creative which is why he sees so much of the ball, unfortunately because you don't go to games you don't get to see the big picture. The way in which Punch loses the ball is as much an issue of everyone around him being unable to find themselves in positions to help him out and get into positions to recieve the ball as it is Puncheon trying something and failing.

 

Personally i would like to see him go outside of the full back more but that would have something to do with the fact he is left footed and playing on the right.

 

He is a good player, players of his quality are not in abundance in this league.

[Saint_clark]

I'd like to point out that BWP and Lambert both have 5 goals from 7 and 11 games respectively. He's not as sh*te as people like to remember.

And Lambert has had 16 more shots than Bradley this season.

Edited 22 October, 2010 by Saint_clark

[Smirking_Saint]

I'd like to point out that BWP and Lambert both have 5 goals from 7 and 11 games respectively. He's not as sh*te as people like to remember.

And Lambert has had 16 more shots than Bradley this season.

 

BWP was sh*te, and a tw*t

[hughieslastminutegoal]

just looking at last season's assists stats -

 

Puncheon only had two less than Antonio, Lallana, Morgan and Hammond combined -shows why managers rate him.

 

Doesn't that worry you?

[rolosfc]

Puncheon is technically a very good player, possibly even too good sometimes at this level. His major problem is delaying when he plays his pass.

 

I do agree with his comment though that he is beginning to play better again. I think NA could have a massive impact on this, if he plays it quick and effectively he will prove to be one of the best players we have, if he doesn't he will be another Belmadi/Fernandes and tht proves to be extremely frustrating.

[Redbul]

Really unfair, and unfounded I would argue, as you live in Austria and dont attend many games.

 

Puncheon takes chances, tries to make things happen, things often go wrong... its the nature of his gameplay.

 

When Puncheon gets the ball, he always tires to go forward, not backwards like some of our midfielders.

 

I cant believe how fickle the crowd have been towards him, even last season. People would just turn on him the second he lost the ball/messed up some trickery. In a way you wouldnt expect another player to be treated by there own fans, just for trying to make some **** happen!

 

I understand its frustrating to watch at times, but without him it would be even worse for us, in my opinion.

 

I guess its just Lallana making everyone look ****e!

 

+1 to all of this post but with one caveat; I like the way Puncheon is always trying to go forward and can make some very mazy and successful runs up the pitch which can release other players into more attacking positions, but my main criticism would be that sometimes he tries to do just a little bit too much when there is an easier option available, like a simple give an go. Turn some of this trickery on when we're 2 or 3 up, it won't matter so much then if we lose possession.

[RedArmy]

I think the frustration with Puncheon is that when he's at his best, he's unplayable and probably the best player in the side.

But, we rarely get to see those performances, and for every good game he has, he has a crap one.

[Saint_clark]

Puncheon is technically a very good player, possibly even too good sometimes at this level. His major problem is delaying when he plays his pass.

 

I do agree with his comment though that he is beginning to play better again. I think NA could have a massive impact on this, if he plays it quick and effectively he will prove to be one of the best players we have, if he doesn't he will be another Belmadi/Fernandes and tht proves to be extremely frustrating.

 

Ah, Djamel Belmadi - he was a quality player.

[15saints]

Really unfair, and unfounded I would argue, as you live in Austria and dont attend many games.

 

Puncheon takes chances, tries to make things happen, things often go wrong... its the nature of his gameplay.

 

When Puncheon gets the ball, he always tires to go forward, not backwards like some of our midfielders.

 

I cant believe how fickle the crowd have been towards him, even last season. People would just turn on him the second he lost the ball/messed up some trickery. In a way you wouldnt expect another player to be treated by there own fans, just for trying to make some **** happen!

 

I understand its frustrating to watch at times, but without him it would be even worse for us, in my opinion.

 

I guess its just Lallana making everyone look ****e!

 

What a shame you decided to reply - I though and hoped that we would all ignore him, particularly as he knows so little about Saints.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Puncheon is technically a very good player, possibly even too good sometimes at this level. His major problem is delaying when he plays his pass.

 

I do agree with his comment though that he is beginning to play better again. I think NA could have a massive impact on this, if he plays it quick and effectively he will prove to be one of the best players we have, if he doesn't he will be another Belmadi/Fernandes and tht proves to be extremely frustrating.

 

Disagree. He has the first touch of a stumbling camel and a shot that is even worse. He needs to improve - and practising kicking balls against a wall and trapping bags of cement would be a good start. Once he has mastered those tekkers he can go back to playing the way he is trying to play.

[Chez]

The last two home games have seen a changed player. Instead of hogging the ball, dilly dallying and making poor choices, he has given the ball much quicker no doubt because fans have been moaning at him. I don't advocate getting on the back of players, but these moans have actually made him a better player as this quicker passing/delivery is just what was required from him. Having `forced' this change fans now need to get behind the lad. He isn't going to beat his opponent every single time, he won't score with every shot, but he will show a wonderful first touch and a desire to make things happen. I'd also like to point out that he isn't lazy, he does track back and given space and time he has a cracking left peg. Last week he was decidedly average, but when subbed we certainly didn't improve as a side with the balance and great outball he offers dissapearing. Hopefully he will see a little more of the ball this week and perhaps even a goal. One is coming I'm sure.

Edited 22 October, 2010 by Chez

[Ken Tone]

Reading the article, why didn't he have much of a pre-season?

[BotleySaint]

Fair play to him for saying something and saying he wants to improve! Puncheon hat-trick this weekend then :-)

[Saint_clark]

Reading the article, why didn't he have much of a pre-season?

 

He got injured towards the end.

[doddisalegend]

This season is slipping away from us, in my opinion. Catch-up is always difficult, let alone doing it with new management and ownership. By the time the whole team has clicked (if it even does) the season will be half over.

 

Damn that wasted pre-season.....

 

Ehhh?

[doddisalegend]

Because BWP was Sh*te.

 

You can see Punch has the class and is able to make things happen, in fact a lot of times he does. He is so creative which is why he sees so much of the ball, unfortunately because you don't go to games you don't get to see the big picture. The way in which Punch loses the ball is as much an issue of everyone around him being unable to find themselves in positions to help him out and get into positions to recieve the ball as it is Puncheon trying something and failing.

 

Personally i would like to see him go outside of the full back more but that would have something to do with the fact he is left footed and playing on the right.

 

He is a good player, players of his quality are not in abundance in this league.

 

With five goals this season his joint 3rd top scorer in the league with the likes of Hughes, Lambert and Rhodes I think he might of found his level. Although I see someone pointed this out already. BWP is a thieving **** though.

Edited 22 October, 2010 by doddisalegend
should read all of the thread before posting

[Toadhall Saint]

I'm not sure if "disgraceful" is the right word. I would say "retarded", personally.

 

Think that sums it up.

[corsacar saint]

Very talented,NA is seemingly getting him to release the ball earlier. Why he is singled out with the booing,god only knows.[Then I suppose,one should never be surprised by the actions or reactions,of some of our so called fans.]

[Legod Third Coming]

ANY player who is negatively affected by booing is NOT a professional sportsman and will fundamentally not succeed at the highest level.

This is basic pyschology of sport.

 

(And I do not condone booing).

[doddisalegend]

ANY player who is negatively affected by booing is NOT a professional sportsman and will fundamentally not succeed at the highest level.

This is basic pyschology of sport.

 

(And I do not condone booing).

 

Like Wayne Rooney in the world cup got his knickers in a right twist didn't score any ****ing goals though.

[Legod Third Coming]

Like Wayne Rooney in the world cup got his knickers in a right twist didn't score any ****ing goals though.

 

He's a good example though. Bood in one game and then commented on it, single handedly ran the next two games to shove it down the fans' throat.

That is the reaction of a professional sportsman (apart from his little piece to camera which is just because he is thick as sh i t).

 

Montgomerie is another example. Always allowed the crowd to affect his game. Whereas Tiger (before the problems) would simply react to the crowd and STILL win countless majors...

[Saint Fan CaM]

There is not really a good enough reason to boo a member of our team while on the pitch. If the player concerned is not putting in a shift in terms of effort then give him some stick perhaps, but not for not having enough skill - they can't help that on matchday.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Sorry to buck the trend on this rather sanctimonious thread, but I'm not quite ready to join the Jason Puncheon Fan Club just yet.

 

I hardly ever boo Saints players and Jason Puncheon is no exception, but a wave of overgenerous bullsh1t on here won't turn what is frankly to all appearances a poor-to-average player into a good one. I've been following this football club for longer than I care to remember and during all that time I've seldom seen a forward Saints player with less composure in front of goal than Jason Puncheon - the expression 'rabbit caught in the headlights' comes to mind. It counts for nothing if you work hard and run the ball into a good position if you then (with remorseless regularity) waste the opportunity by shooting wildly or failing to pass accurately to a better placed teammate.

 

If I see this player shoot 20 yards over the top of the crossbar again tomorrow then I think I'll scream out loud, and if the paying crowd start to get on his back again I won't join in as usual - but I will fully share their sense of frustration.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Sorry to buck the trend on this rather sanctimonious thread, but I'm not quite ready to join the Jason Puncheon Fan Club just yet.

 

I hardly ever boo Saints players and Jason Puncheon is no exception, but a wave of overgenerous bullsh1t on here won't turn what is frankly to all appearances a poor-to-average player into a good one. I've been following this football club for longer than I care to remember and during all that time I've seldom seen a forward Saints player with less composure in front of goal than Jason Puncheon - the expression 'rabbit caught in the headlights' comes to mind. It counts for nothing if you work hard and run the ball into a good position if you then (with remorseless regularity) waste the opportunity by shooting wildly or failing to pass accurately to a better placed teammate.

 

If I see this player shoot 20 yards over the top of the crossbar again tomorrow then I think I'll scream out loud, and if the paying crowd start to get on his back again I won't join in as usual - but I will fully share their sense of frustration.

[NickG]

Sorry to buck the trend on this rather sanctimonious thread, but I'm not quite ready to join the Jason Puncheon Fan Club just yet.

 

I hardly ever boo Saints players and Jason Puncheon is no exception, but a wave of overgenerous bullsh1t on here won't turn what is frankly to all appearances a poor-to-average player into a good one. I've been following this football club for longer than I care to remember and during all that time I've seldom seen a forward Saints player with less composure in front of goal than Jason Puncheon - the expression 'rabbit caught in the headlights' comes to mind. It counts for nothing if you work hard and run the ball into a good position if you then (with remorseless regularity) waste the opportunity by shooting wildly or failing to pass accurately to a better placed teammate.

 

If I see this player shoot 20 yards over the top of the crossbar again tomorrow then I think I'll scream out loud, and if the paying crowd start to get on his back again I won't join in as usual - but I will fully share their sense of frustration.

 

1) do you know what sanctimoniuos means?

2) most aren't saying he is great or want to join his fan club

3) most are saying he shouldn't be boo'ed -as you do.

4) he is a good player or league 1 - look at these links, clearly not a poor player:

 

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_6116536,00.html

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFA_Team_of_the_Year#League_One_6

 

5) his finishing has been poor this season, that is not his prime role.

 

6) his role is to get the team attacking and make goals - he has done that well over the last 14 months, probably better than just about anyone in this division

[NickG]

Sorry to buck the trend on this rather sanctimonious thread, but I'm not quite ready to join the Jason Puncheon Fan Club just yet.

 

I hardly ever boo Saints players and Jason Puncheon is no exception, but a wave of overgenerous bullsh1t on here won't turn what is frankly to all appearances a poor-to-average player into a good one. I've been following this football club for longer than I care to remember and during all that time I've seldom seen a forward Saints player with less composure in front of goal than Jason Puncheon - the expression 'rabbit caught in the headlights' comes to mind. It counts for nothing if you work hard and run the ball into a good position if you then (with remorseless regularity) waste the opportunity by shooting wildly or failing to pass accurately to a better placed teammate.

 

If I see this player shoot 20 yards over the top of the crossbar again tomorrow then I think I'll scream out loud, and if the paying crowd start to get on his back again I won't join in as usual - but I will fully share their sense of frustration.

 

1) do you know what sanctimoniuos means?

2) most aren't saying he is great or want to join his fan club

3) most are saying he shouldn't be boo'ed -as you do.

4) he is a good player or league 1 - look at these links, clearly not a poor player:

 

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_6116536,00.html

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFA_Team_of_the_Year#League_One_6

 

5) his finishing has been poor this season, that is not his prime role.

 

6) his role is to get the team attacking and make goals - he has done that well over the last 14 months, probably better than just about anyone in this division

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

1) do you know what sanctimoniuos means?

 

 

sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous

 

–adjective

1.

making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc.: They resented his sanctimonious comments on immorality in America.

2.

Obsolete . holy; sacred.

3.

Any opinion expressed by NickG on the Saintsweb forum.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

1) do you know what sanctimoniuos means?

 

 

sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous

 

–adjective

1.

making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc.: They resented his sanctimonious comments on immorality in America.

2.

Obsolete . holy; sacred.

3.

Any opinion expressed by NickG on the Saintsweb forum.

[NickG]

nope you didn't. Don't worry one of those words that people often use wrongly.

 

Puncheon still a decent player for league 1

[NickG]

nope you didn't. Don't worry one of those words that people often use wrongly.

 

Puncheon still a decent player for league 1

[Seany S]

I personally think the booing and moaning towards this particular player is disgraceful.

 

Thread should have ended here. Puncheon has not played badly and certainly shouldn't be booed by us fans. He was fantastic toward the end of last year and has had a few decent performances this season too. Get off his back, and get behind the Saints tomorrow, Puncheon included.

[Seany S]

I personally think the booing and moaning towards this particular player is disgraceful.

 

Thread should have ended here. Puncheon has not played badly and certainly shouldn't be booed by us fans. He was fantastic toward the end of last year and has had a few decent performances this season too. Get off his back, and get behind the Saints tomorrow, Puncheon included.

[Dogs]

I sometimes wonder if there may be a slight racist element to many of the players given a hard time!

[Dogs]

I sometimes wonder if there may be a slight racist element to many of the players given a hard time!

[doddisalegend]

I sometimes wonder if there may be a slight racist element to many of the players given a hard time!

 

eeeehhhh? oh you mean welsh people yeah James got loads of stick last season

[Stu Man Do]

Disagree. He has the first touch of a stumbling camel and a shot that is even worse. He needs to improve - and practising kicking balls against a wall and trapping bags of cement would be a good start. Once he has mastered those tekkers he can go back to playing the way he is trying to play.

 

I'm not a massive Puncheon fan but thats just plain wrong. The guy has an excellent first touch, very rarely messes up his first touch and brings the ball down extremely well. Its just the lack of vision(?) he sometimes seems to have that stops him being a really top level (for this division) player.

[s0108787]

Form is temporary, Class is permanent. Punch will be fine. Lambo will be fine. I agree with the interview JP gave on Saintsplayer - we are ready to give someone a right going over!!!!

[sotonianproud]

I don't remember him being outright booed (lots of "ffs Puncheon" though), I will say that the last 2 home games he has played much better though and looked much more like the player we bought back in January. Onwards and upwards!

[NickG]

I thought the player chapel end charlie described as a poor player was probably our best player in the first half.

[RedWillie]

no, Punch is wrong, we are right. took him off and we were a different team.

 

PS Thanks Kelvin !

[SO16_Saint]

Sounded like a shower today

[NickG]

taking off Lambert made bigger difference!

 

Puncheon does seem to fade in 2nd half.

[Liquidshokk]

I think he played well today. Not normally one to say good things about him.

[NickG]

also beware of Solent commentary when criticising players - had solent on my phone for short time when they moaned about something Puncheon did wrong - it was Guly!

[Huffton]

Thought he had a better game today, was unlucky not to score a couple in the first half, and managed to keep the ball in the stadium for a change!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I thought the player chapel end charlie described as a poor player was probably our best player in the first half.

 

To be accurate I described him as a 'poor-to-average' player and I saw nothing much to make me change my mind today. As for the supposedly wonderful first half performance you saw from him, I'd say you really are too easily pleased.

 

I take it you disagreed with the managers decision to give him the 'big hook' for a raw 17 year kid, who some might say did more in 20 minutes than Puncheon did in 70.

[NickG]

you do get your words muddled!

 

where did I say he was wonderful?

 

Ox-C had more impact, he scored a good winning goal, than Lallana, Lambert et al.

 

Adkins apparently doesn't call them subs he calls them impact players.

Edited 23 October, 2010 by Saint_clark
No need for the dig at the end