doddisalegend Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 Looks like Puncheon has noticed the booing at SMS http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/9116146.stm
stanthemanfairoak Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 :well he needs to get his finger out if he plays saturday , needs to sit saturday out imo!
Dogs Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 I personally think the booing and moaning towards this particular player is disgraceful.
itchen Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 I personally think the booing and moaning towards this particular player is disgraceful. Quite agree. Even if you think he's not playing well, booing him is not likely to make him play better. It's not as though he isn't trying or can't be bothered. The opposite is true, if anything.
hackedoff Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 Shows promise but no end product I,am afraid. Had a good few players like that in the past.
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 He puts in a very good shift tbf, and is a good player. He does daly on the ball every now and again but our movement upfront has hardly helped him in this aspect. He will be back to his best soon.
Stu Man Do Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 Quite agree. Even if you think he's not playing well, booing him is not likely to make him play better. It's not as though he isn't trying or can't be bothered. The opposite is true, if anything. Doesn't he actually say in that article that hearing the booing made him want to play better?
Lighthouse Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 There are some players like Jermaine Wright and Euell who I could understand being booed (although I didn't agree with it and never joined in). Puncheon I just can't. He can be hit and miss at times, but has hardly stood out as being particularly poor.
madruss Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 The trouble with Puncheon is that he sees a lot of the ball, which is a credit to his positioning and work rate during the game. The downside of this is that if he's not having a good game, he makes a lot of mistakes or bad decisions on one of the many occasions he gets the ball. What do the crowd see? Is it hard work, good movement and positioning? Is it hell. They see the mistakes and make their judgement based on that. By contrast, a player who gets on the ball once it twice and makes a good pass or creates an attack with one of them is praised for that but not criticised for not getting on the ball. Anyway, I think Punch is a brilliant player and we're lucky to have him. Just hope he scores this weekend to shut the short-sighted booing morons up
adrian lord Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 He played brilliantly when we crushed Norwich at Carrow rd last season. The booing is crass.
S-Clarke Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 He is a good player, one of the best in his position at this level. He showed that last year when he was in form and playing in a confident, winning team. It will come again.
doddisalegend Posted 21 October, 2010 Author Posted 21 October, 2010 The problem for me is Puncheon has undoubted talent but he is really frustating as well. He so often seems to take one to many touches, try to beat one oppo player to many or run into a dead end when an easy pass would be better, and his poor quaility shooting this season just isn't funny. Having said that I've never booed him and never will (or any other player in a saints shirt)and when he gets it right he can make stuff happen for the team.
benjii Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 I personally think the booing and moaning towards this particular player is disgraceful. I'm not sure if "disgraceful" is the right word. I would say "retarded", personally.
surrey1saint Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 I'm not sure if "disgraceful" is the right word. I would say "retarded", personally. Indeed.
Shroppie Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 I really struggle to see what this vendetta against Puncheon is all about. On every occasion I've seen him this season he's put in an honest performance, worked for the team and created chances. OK, I can remember a few missed chances but any player can have a non-scoring run. Getting on his back achieves nothing.
L1Minus10 Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 If he stopped smashing easy chances over the bar it might help. Booing him during a game is stupid however.
Saint_clark Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 Quite agree. Even if you think he's not playing well, booing him is not likely to make him play better. It's not as though he isn't trying or can't be bothered. The opposite is true, if anything. "The 24-year-old told BBC Radio Solent: "The booing did give me a gee-up and did bring something good out of me." He has been 10 times better since Adkins came in, and whaddya know? People were chanting his name again at the last game. Fans are never "set against" a player as some people like to believe.
Saint_Jonny Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 I personally think the booing and moaning towards this particular player is disgraceful. Absolutely right. Only came on here because I saw the story on the BBC sports site, i've heard some of our lot booing him and to say it ****es me off is putting it lightly. The sort of layabout, know nothing, delinquent W*NKERS that call them selves "fans" or "supporters" that then turn up to a game and BOO a SAINTS player can F*CK RIGHT OFF and support another team IMO.
Thedelldays Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 I bet those who boo'd sit in the northam!!!
The Cat Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 His better form since Adkins came in could be due to him feeling less comfortable of his place in the team. He's been subbed a few times which never seemed to happen under Pardew when it seemed he was almost untouchable with regards his place on the pitch. He has also been more disciplined in his position and spends less time seemingly wandering aimlessly around the middle of the pitch and upsetting the balance of the team. It is wrong to boo him, however most teams have a player the fans like to moan about. With Puncheon it seems to me it's because he does have the skill and ability to be a really good player, yet is ultimately frustrating due to his inconsistency.
SFC Forever Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 He is not the only one missing easy looking chances though is he? Why don't we boo Lambert, Barnard or Lallana?
Saints foreva Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 I bet those who boo'd sit in the northam!!! Most the Northam and Kingsland North, funny thing is the ones around me who boo him were chanting his name when he forced a good save from the Tranmere keeper the other week.
Saint_clark Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 He is not the only one missing easy looking chances though is he? Why don't we boo Lambert, Barnard or Lallana? Two of those have been performing this season so moot point, and the other provided 58 goals for the team last season.
Nexstar Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 Not sure about booing but the game against Rochdale was very difficult to watch as everything the team tried seemed to fail, so puncheon's frustrating play that day (like several previous matches) caused sighing and groans. Can't remember him being boo'd when getting the ball though.
MarkSFC Posted 21 October, 2010 Posted 21 October, 2010 I like him, particularly his sense of urgency. Very few players seem to have his desire to get on with things. He is talented has a great touch and tries to make things happen. As with his type of player when things aren't going for you you look worse than other more "boring, less skillfull, do the basics well" type of player but when it is going well that's why they get more money! Puncheon needs to have more of a "result" to his play more often, i.e. that defence splitting ball or even a goal!
shirleysfc Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 "I think the last five games I've really picked it up," "I didn't have much of a pre-season so I was always playing catch-up but there's no excuses for me now. Funny Jason, you were woeful against Huddersfield!!
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 He puts in a very good shift tbf, and is a good player. He does daly on the ball every now and again but our movement upfront has hardly helped him in this aspect. I definitely think the lack of movement up front at times has an effect, as you're caught between a rock and a hard place. Do you give the ball to a static forward surrounded by defenders or hold on to it whilst waiting for movement and then lose it yourself. I think NA's pass and move football will definitely help because, to work well, players constantly need to be on the move.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 Also quite nice to hear a player saying he's going to try to win the fans round with performances rather than throwing a strop.
West End Saint Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 I am not into the booing I just dont like it Punch is a bit of a scapegoat as he always see a lot of the ball so if he makes errors everyone picks up on it. He is a talented player the 1 thing I would say is he trys to be a bit holywood with his passes & some of his play if he can learn to do the simple things well he will be an important player for us. Fans always get frustrated with players that run with the ball as they often lose possesion but punch has the ability he just needs to make the right choices with the ball. Get behind the lad he plays for us and he dosent hide when it is going to plan give him some support
bristolterrier Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 Puncheon is a class act.Huddersfield were interested in him before he signed for Saints and the fans wanted him at Town.He was poor last Saturday and didn't run at our young acadamy full back once but came inside and couldn't get rid quick enough.It seemed clear to me Saturday that the lad has a big confidence issue at the moment just as Anthony Pilkington did at the start of the season and he is now playing his best football.Both these players could play in a higher league imo.Get behind the lad and he will come good when the confidence comes back.Hope he doesn't play against us at Christmas as he is a match winner.
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 I personally think the booing and moaning towards this particular player is disgraceful. Fair enough, but maybe it is time he was dropped. All fart and no sh*t. Someone else deserves a chance.
Wes Tender Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 Absolutely right. Only came on here because I saw the story on the BBC sports site, i've heard some of our lot booing him and to say it ****es me off is putting it lightly. The sort of layabout, know nothing, delinquent W*NKERS that call them selves "fans" or "supporters" that then turn up to a game and BOO a SAINTS player can F*CK RIGHT OFF and support another team IMO. I'm not generally one to boo our players, but there is another side to this coin, an opposite point of view that has some credibility. Many who attend football matches do so against a background that they do not have much personal wealth and make financial sacrifices to attend. On the other hand, the majority of football players at our club earn more in a year than most fans will make in many years. The match is entertainment that people pay this hard-earned money to watch. What you are saying, rather insultingly to those who see it differently to you, is that the players have some sort of divine right to take their wages which have paid for in part by the fans, but have no obligation in return to play to the very best of their ability in every match. In other words, you believe that they should take the plaudits but not the brickbats. Puncheon said himself that the booing of his performance by a section of fans had spurred him on to ram the boos down their throats. But if you think that the booing is a bad thing, then presumably it follows in your mind that you would rather there was no booing and therefore the player remains oblivious to his shortcomings and feels no necessity to try harder to earn his mountain of dosh.
Window Cleaner Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 He was excellent against Tranmere everybody was excellent against Tranmere because they we're so frigging bad. I'd look good against a girl guides side like that.Tranmere are poor anyway, that day they had a reserve stuffed side out to boot,young loan players in the main.
Charlie Wayman Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 Puncheon is the least of our worries unless he really does explode in the middle of the pitch [OS - ready to explode] which would be a tad messy. To be honest the thought of watching Oldham fills me with total apathy. No disrespect to Oldham but "Where are you?" I don't know or care where Bolton and Blackburn are either but at least they were founder members of the football league so their visits used to be tolerable, now they would be dream fixtures. How times have changed.
CWD Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 That interview is on saintsplayer and he comes across very well. I've never really heard him speak before but I had him down as a bit of an arrogant, BWP sort of player having heard about how he acted at Markus' funeral. But fair play to the lad, he seems honest and hard-working and really wants to be promoted.
Charlie Wayman Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 everybody was excellent against Tranmere because they we're so frigging bad. I'd look good against a girl guides side like that.Tranmere are poor anyway, that day they had a reserve stuffed side out to boot,young loan players in the main. You're dead right there but - hey! - let's not get bogged down in detail, Adders needs all the help he can get. Don't forget he's got to win this league to keep his job. Hopeless task? Quit now? Keep talking a good game and those pay cheques will keep rolling in every month. It's ever such a long time until March when he'llasked to clear is desk so why would he care. Failure never lost anybody a career in football.
doddisalegend Posted 22 October, 2010 Author Posted 22 October, 2010 the o/s version of the interview apparently he scored 13-14 goals last season needs to find that form again http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2192119,00.html
NickG Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 he can make a clever pass into the box, or beat a player to set up a chance better than just about any we have had at the club in last few years. He creates more goals chance than other players - consistently doing well on assists. But because he is willing to try a shot, clever pass, beat the extra man - when it doesn't work out it does make him stand out as losing possession. Decent player, form could be better.
Window Cleaner Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 (edited) he can make a clever pass into the box, or beat a player to set up a chance better than just about any we have had at the club in last few years. He creates more goals chance than other players - consistently doing well on assists. But because he is willing to try a shot, clever pass, beat the extra man - when it doesn't work out it does make him stand out as losing possession. Decent player, form could be better. I thought he was a useful player last season but as our strike-force is currently misfiring badly we need players like Puncheon to start chipping in with goals again until they sort themselves out...or rather until the manager sorts them out.With the risk of being a bore (again) I'd just point out here that our problem is in scoring goals,not who's playing well and who isn't. We have more serious problems than booing Jason Puncheon. Fans should start barracking Lambert every time he's a yard too slow or slams a hard earned free kick into a defensive wall. although I don't remember him scoring 13 or 14 goals for us last season, maybe in the MM JPT trophy?? Edited 22 October, 2010 by Window Cleaner
doddisalegend Posted 22 October, 2010 Author Posted 22 October, 2010 I thought he was a useful player last season but as our strike-force is currently misfiring badly we need players like Puncheon to start chipping in with goals again until they sort themselves out...or rather until the manager sorts them out.With the risk of being a bore (again) I'd just point out here that our problem is in scoring goals,not who's playing well and who isn't. We have more serious problems than booing Jason Puncheon. Fans should start barracking Lambert every time he's a yard too slow or slams a hard earned free kick into a defensive wall. although I don't remember him scoring 13 or 14 goals for us last season, maybe in the MM JPT trophy?? They already are, at least some around me in the chapel are. Someone keeps calling him a one season wonder. I think the 13-14 goals might have been all season as he says Barney scored 20.
NickG Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 (edited) Last season MK Dons played 29, scored 8, assists 6 Saints played 19, scored 3, assists 9 Total played 48, scored 11, 15 assists Lallana and Antonio both made 5 assists, Lallana scoring 20, Antonio 7 playing similar positions. Edited 22 October, 2010 by NickG
Window Cleaner Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 (edited) They already are, at least some around me in the chapel are. Someone keeps calling him a one season wonder. I think the 13-14 goals might have been all season as he says Barney scored 20. He's not a one season wonder because he scored a fair few the season before last at Bristol Rovers, there were however years when he has had a far more modest goals/game ratio. Rickie no doubt profited from the sparkling form of other players last season to boost his goal tally. Anyway NA says he still has some ongoing physical problems which the medical and coaching staff are working on constantly so maybe it's time for him to have a little rest and see what we can do with Barnard and Guly tomorrow. Although to be frank Barnard really hasn't helped by getting himself sent off in a meaningless game and then having all his city centre micmac. Edited 22 October, 2010 by Window Cleaner
NickG Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 just looking at last season's assists stats - Puncheon only had two less than Antonio, Lallana, Morgan and Hammond combined -shows why managers rate him.
Saint_clark Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 just looking at last season's assists stats - Puncheon only had two less than Antonio, Lallana, Morgan and Hammond combined -shows why managers rate him. This is the thing i've always said about him - that even when he's not "performing" more often than not he still provides. Obviously this season it hasn't quite clicked yet, but the same can be said for most of the players.
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 This is the thing i've always said about him - that even when he's not "performing" more often than not he still provides. Obviously this season it hasn't quite clicked yet, but the same can be said for most of the players. This season is slipping away from us, in my opinion. Catch-up is always difficult, let alone doing it with new management and ownership. By the time the whole team has clicked (if it even does) the season will be half over. Damn that wasted pre-season.....
holepuncture Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 Fair enough, but maybe it is time he was dropped. All fart and no sh*t. Someone else deserves a chance. Really unfair, and unfounded I would argue, as you live in Austria and dont attend many games. Puncheon takes chances, tries to make things happen, things often go wrong... its the nature of his gameplay. When Puncheon gets the ball, he always tires to go forward, not backwards like some of our midfielders. I cant believe how fickle the crowd have been towards him, even last season. People would just turn on him the second he lost the ball/messed up some trickery. In a way you wouldnt expect another player to be treated by there own fans, just for trying to make some **** happen! I understand its frustrating to watch at times, but without him it would be even worse for us, in my opinion. I guess its just Lallana making everyone look ****e!
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2010 Posted 22 October, 2010 Really unfair, and unfounded I would argue, as you live in Austria and dont attend many games. Puncheon takes chances, tries to make things happen, things often go wrong... its the nature of his gameplay. When Puncheon gets the ball, he always tires to go forward, not backwards like some of our midfielders. I cant believe how fickle the crowd have been towards him, even last season. People would just turn on him the second he lost the ball/messed up some trickery. In a way you wouldnt expect another player to be treated by there own fans, just for trying to make some **** happen! I understand its frustrating to watch at times, but without him it would be even worse for us, in my opinion. I guess its just Lallana making everyone look ****e! How is the breakdown of play when he is in posession any less frustrating or demotivating than when it used to breakdown when BWP fell over the ball ?
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