The Spending Review (tackling the Socialists debt mountain)

[Winnersaint]

Already booked my place for that one badger.

 

**** is the old b i t c h still going?

[Johnny Bognor]

It's no different to how Mrs Thatcher put it. Under the Socialists everyone is dragged down.

 

Love her or hate her, in that clip, she is bang on the money

Edited 21 October, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[Thedelldays]

I assume you cant wait for blair to die too...(you sick ****s)

[Johnny Bognor]

I assume you cant wait for blair to die too...(you sick ****s)

 

The envy of socialism is so bitter and twisted, I am not surprised. As the lady said, they would rather everyone poor, with a small gap, rather than everyone better off with a wider gap. Ironically, the rich got richer and the poor poorer under Blair and Brown, but they won't have a word said against either of them. The hypocricy shown by those on the left never fails to amaze me.

[Thedelldays]

The envy of socialism is so bitter and twisted, I am not surprised. As the lady said, they would rather everyone poor, with a small gap, rather than everyone better off with a wider gap. Ironically, the rich got richer and the poor poorer under Blair and Brown, but they won't have a word said against either of them. The hypocricy shown by those on the left never fails to amaze me.

 

indeed..the sh1t blair and co left us with at home and abroad puts what ever maggie did into pale insignificance.................

[Johnny Bognor]

indeed..the sh1t blair and co left us with at home and abroad puts what ever maggie did into pale insignificance.................

 

Indeed, their heroes are responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people that puts them up there not far behind murderers like Adolf Hitler and Stalin.

 

But no, good old Tony and Gordon are alright by them. But Maggie, she is the anti-christ......#

 

So of you forget the deaths, forget the rich poor gap widening, my last point is the total betrayal. The socialists rejoiced in 1997 when New Labour got elected, but they were betrayed by their own. There is nothing worse than betrayal in my mind. Yet they won't have a bad word said against them.

 

It's ****ing weird if you ask me.

Edited 21 October, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[Fuengirola Saint]

I am still looking forward to THAT party once the old ratbag finally shuffles off.

 

Same here mate, that is gonna be a big un

[Thedelldays]

Indeed, their heroes are responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people that puts them up with Adolf Hitler and that murderer Stalin.

 

But know, old Tony and Gordon are alright by them. But Maggie, she is the anti-christ......#

 

It's ****ing weird if you ask me.

 

it is because....although they like to come across as caring/sharing welfare state supporting types..they really are not..

they are as selfish as the people they claim to dislike..hence why they hate maggie so much as she taxed them and said "society" does not really work..

 

nasty

[Johnny Bognor]

Same here mate, that is gonna be a big un

 

What about gordon and tony?

 

They murdered millions, made the rich richer and the poor poorer and totally betrayed you

 

They OK by you?

[Fuengirola Saint]

it is because....although they like to come across as caring/sharing welfare state supporting types..they really are not..

they are as selfish as the people they claim to dislike..hence why they hate maggie so much as she taxed them and said "society" does not really work..

 

nasty

 

 

What the f u c k was that all about? :-/ I don't remember saying that TB and GB were great, in fact i thought/ think they are a pair of shysters like most career politicians but however bad they were they weren't half as bad as that **** Thatcher! I reckon Gideon could go down in the annals as something akin to Thatch in a few years as well.

One final thing, Well done to the French, at least you've got a pair and will stand up to the neoliberal gits

[Thedelldays]

What the f u c k was that all about? :-/ I don't remember saying that TB and GB were great, in fact i thought/ think they are a pair of shysters like most career politicians but however bad they were they weren't half as bad as that **** Thatcher! I reckon Gideon could go down in the annals as something akin to Thatch in a few years as well.

One final thing, Well done to the French, at least you've got a pair and will stand up to the neoliberal gits

 

half as bad..? are you joking..?

move back to the UK and see the state of the place...also, pop over to down town basra or sangin...

[rocknrollman no2]

Blair was not a socialist.He was one of the worst PMs we have had since Maggie.He wrongly took this country to war and since he has left office,has done nothing but make more money for himself.

As for Thatcher ,Thatcherism only ever looked after the rich and gave nothing to the poorer people in society.Even today there are still vast areas of the North that have never recovered because of her selfish,industry breaking policies. In fact she was so unpopular before the Falklands,people rioted in the streets,the economy was in a mess and even she ,herself didnt think she would win the next election.

And lets not forget the Tory party became so disillusioned with her,that in the end,they threw her out of office.

So this myth that she was one of the best PMs we have ever had is exactly that.......a myth.

[benjii]

The problem with the vociferous lefties is that they are just so zealous. They're are blinded by some sort of weird religion/cult.

 

It's indoctrination, it's sad and it's damaging.

[Thedelldays]

Blair was not a socialist.He was one of the worst PMs we have had since Maggie.He wrongly took this country to war and since he has left office,has done nothing but make more money for himself.

As for Thatcher ,Thatcherism only ever looked after the rich and gave nothing to the poorer people in society.Even today there are still vast areas of the North that have never recovered because of her selfish,industry breaking policies. In fact she was so unpopular before the Falklands,people rioted in the streets,the economy was in a mess and even she ,herself didnt think she would win the next election.

And lets not forget the Tory party became so disillusioned with her,that in the end,they threw her out of office.

So this myth that she was one of the best PMs we have ever had is exactly that.......a myth.

 

Lets say both maggie and tony were to do a book signing tomorrow...which one will more than likely have to cancel with fears of their life..?

 

how can you say maggie only looked after the rich when under your lot, the rich/poor gap got wider..????

unless you count giving naughty kids free laptops and holidays (that the county clearly could not afford to do) as helping out the poor

[benjii]

Christ almighty, how many mongers have been dragged out on the news today to say:

 

"welfare cuts hit the poor more than the rich". FFS, of course they ****ing do you gimp-headed spazz-flob! It's a ****ing welfare cut.

[Johnny Bognor]

Blair was not a socialist.He was one of the worst PMs we have had since Maggie.He wrongly took this country to war and since he has left office,has done nothing but make more money for himself.

As for Thatcher ,Thatcherism only ever looked after the rich and gave nothing to the poorer people in society.Even today there are still vast areas of the North that have never recovered because of her selfish,industry breaking policies. In fact she was so unpopular before the Falklands,people rioted in the streets,the economy was in a mess and even she ,herself didnt think she would win the next election.

And lets not forget the Tory party became so disillusioned with her,that in the end,they threw her out of office.

So this myth that she was one of the best PMs we have ever had is exactly that.......a myth.

 

So considering your point above and considering the deaths of milions, the continuation of the widening wealth gap and the fact the union men like Prescott (lapping up the trappings of wealth), Blair and Brown betraying you and totally taking the **** out of you, will you celebrate their deaths too?

 

It is a simple question, but none of the lefties will answer it.

[Thedelldays]

So considering your point above and considering the deaths of milions, the continuation of the widening wealth gap and the fact the union men like Prescott (lapping up the trappings of wealth), Blair and Brown betraying you and totally taking the **** out of you, will you celebrate their deaths too?

 

It is a simple question, but none of the lefties will answer it.

 

that is it..these die hard lefties will never answer...they claim they want the best for all..when infact, they dont..until something happens that directly effects them that is.

very much the "im alright jack" attitude they claim to detest..

other wise, they would never say maggie was worse than blair/brown...the millions killed/displaced in the middle east should be enough to win the arguement hands down...but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Johnny Bognor]

that is it..these die hard lefties will never answer...they claim they want the best for all..when infact, they dont..until something happens that directly effects them that is.

very muc the "im alright jack" attitude they claim to detest..

other wise, they would never say maggie was worse than blair/brown...the millions killed/displaced in the middle east should be enough to win the arguement hands down...but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

 

If they won't answer it, then you have to assume the answer is no. THey were quick to announce their celebration of Thatcher's death (which when it happens, I couldn't give a ****) but they refuse to answer this question, they refuse to answer.

 

If the answer is no, then it makes them total hypocrites.

 

You could argue that their narrow minded prejudice is akin to that of a racist (the people they supposedly hate). One hates on race, the other on class. The real evil here is the sin of envy - the worst of the seven deadly sins. If that is socialism, you can stick it.

[rocknrollman no2]

Johnny you and Delldays make some valid points.

I was totally against the Iraq war(even went on the BBC news to say so)and i think Blair let the country down badly.As for Prescott,he may have been a union man once,but as deputy PM,he lived the high life(two jags),while telling us to draw in our belts.Both these people betrayed the Labour party.

But what Blair and Prescott did(and a few others),was no different to what the Tory party do on a regular basis,ie stab each other in the back and feather their own nest.

And to answer Delldays point about the booksignings,i think the amount of people protesting at the signings would be about the same.

[Johnny Bognor]

Johnny you and Delldays make some valid points.

I was totally against the Iraq war(even went on the BBC news to say so)and i think Blair let the country down badly.As for Prescott,he may have been a union man once,but as deputy PM,he lived the high life(two jags),while telling us to draw in our belts.Both these people betrayed the Labour party.

But what Blair and Prescott did(and a few others),was no different to what the Tory party do on a regular basis,ie stab each other in the back and feather their own nest.

And to answer Delldays point about the booksignings,i think the amount of people protesting at the signings would be about the same.

 

So will you celebrate their deaths?

 

Simple question.

 

As it happens, I won't celebrate Thatchers death and I won't celebrate Blair or Browns either. It is inhuman to celebrate someones death. Either I have got socialism totally wrong or none of you are really sociallist

 

Regards

Confused of Bognor

Edited 21 October, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[Johnny Bognor]

Fuengirola (come, you've got one post left, don't waste it), Badger, R&R Man. You are all online and looking at the thread (@10.30).

 

Why won't you answer such a simple question?

Edited 21 October, 2010 by Johnny Bognor
@10:35, they are still viewing the thread

[rocknrollman no2]

No i wont celebrate their deaths because i dont hate them as much as i do Thatcher.

Half our our problems today can be traced to Thatchers years of selling off every industry we had.Car,steel,coal,railways,free school milk,parts of the NHS ,i could go on.Then most of Maggies cabinet took highly paid jobs in these newly privatised industries.

It has been said that because of Thatcher,people in Britain became more selfish and greedy.

Now when the annual recession comes around,Britain has no assets left to generate any money.

Hope you are not so confused now.

[Johnny Bognor]

No i wont celebrate their deaths because i dont hate them as much as i do Thatcher.

Half our our problems today can be traced to Thatchers years of selling off every industry we had.Car,steel,coal,railways,free school milk,parts of the NHS ,i could go on.Then most of Maggies cabinet took highly paid jobs in these newly privatised industries.

It has been said that because of Thatcher,people in Britain became more selfish and greedy.

Now when the annual recession comes around,Britain has no assets left to generate any money.

Hope you are not so confused now.

 

OK, I guess you are at least honest, which is something.

 

I still don't get it though. In my opinion, if you hate Thatcher as much as you do, then by default you should hate the other two as much. Bearing in mind your views on Thatcher, Blair and Brown, can I take it that you think John Major is the best PM since 1979 or does that honour go to Dave (and Nick).

 

I wonder what the other two have to say (they are still viewing the thread)

Edited 21 October, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[rocknrollman no2]

Another point i think is worth making ,is in my view Maggie was a strong character who polorized opinions.You either love her or you hate her.There seems to be no middle ground where shes concerned.

As for Blair and the rest of his mob,although i think history will judge them poorly,they dont seem to generate so much debate.

[Johnny Bognor]

Another point i think is worth making ,is in my view Maggie was a strong character who polorized opinions.You either love her or you hate her.There seems to be no middle ground where shes concerned.

As for Blair and the rest of his mob,although i think history will judge them poorly,they dont seem to generate so much debate.

 

But love or hate someone, if they are a strong character who stands for what they believe in, they command some respect? I didn't like Tony Benn or his politics, but you have to respect him. Some wishy washy bull****ter like Blair or a no hoper like Brown doesn't get any.

 

Considering the feelings on Blair, Brown and Thatcher, by my reckoning, it makes John Major the best PM of the last 30 years.

 

No wonder the country is in such a mess.

Edited 21 October, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[Whitey Grandad]

Considering the feelings on Blair, Brown and Thatcher, by my reckoning, it makes John Major the best PM of the last 30 years.

 

I have always said as much. He did a difficult, perhaps impossible, job with great dignity.

[badgerx16]

Fuengirola, Badger, R&R Man. You are all online and looking at the thread (@10.30).

 

Why won't you answer such a simple question?

I have just spent 20 minutes composing a wordy and erudite response, and then accidentally hit the wrong key & deleted it all, ( so much for working in IT ). Suffice to say, I am reasonable well educated, hopefully can be considered intelligent, view myself as being well informed, and entitled to form and hold my own opinions; and in my opinion there is one special day towards which, out of bitter experience, I have been looking with anticipation for many, many years. My wife, who is probably more intelligent than I, and certainly more astute, is also looking forward to coming to the party.

Bliar dragged us into 2 illegal wars, by being securely attached to the ar$e of possibly the least intelligent man ever to lead the government of a country. Brown was yesterday's man by the time he was made leader of the Labour Party, and by sticking too strongly to his dogmatic economic 'prudence' failed to 'put something away for a rainy day', but Maggie destroyed our economic base. She set the foundations for our reliance on the service and financial sectors, and she followed by the Grey Man, ( how on earth DID John Major win that election ? ), set out the principles of the 'light touch' regulation that New Labour adopted, and which led to the meltdown in world markets. The politics of greed and the Loadsamoney attitude will always be her legacy, and words like compassion and altruism risk being lost forever from our language as a result.

[dune]

I've just watched Ian Duncan Smith talking about the career slobs and he tell's them to get on a bus and find a job. His words reminded me Norman Tebbit who told the slobs to get on your bike and look for work.

 

I agree with both of them.

 

It's great that we finally have government that thinks it's unfair to keep taxing the working population to keep slobs in their lives of riley.

[badgerx16]

I've just watched Ian Duncan Smith talking about the career slobs and he tell's them to get on a bus and find a job. His words reminded me Norman Tebbit who told the slobs to get on your bike and look for work.

 

I agree with both of them.

 

It's great that we finally have government that thinks it's unfair to keep taxing the working population to keep slobs in their lives of riley.

Dune, is it your opinion that ALL people on benefits are slobs ? If not, what proportion would you reckon qualify as such ? What percentage of the welfare budget is being correctly distributed to those that deserve or need to be helped ?

[sandwichsaint]

To use your analogy, it is like someone who earns £1800 a month (GDP divided by population divided by 12), but their outgoings are £1900 a month (Defecit divided by population added to monthly earnings) and the credit card is maxed out at £22,000 (National Debt divided by population).

 

The defecit reduction is equivalent to cutting the outgoings from £1900 to £1890 which is about £10 a month. Quite small in the scheme of things.

 

Where exactly did you get this bo77ocks from?

 

If average wages are, say, 23k a year are you seriously suggesting we are indebted to the tune of 250k for every person in the country? (If your figures are right then the cut from 1900 to 1890 is to all intents and purposes 'meaningless')

 

If that is the case wouldn't it have been cheaper to have let the banks go swing and to have given all the bank rescue money and quantitave easing money straight to the punters? A kind of cutting-out-the-middle-man scheme that would have delivered something over GBP80billion / 70 million (whatever that is) to every single person in the UK.

 

What exactly would have happened if they had closed the banks and given everybody 100,000k to make their own minds up?

[dune]

I have visions of the scruffy heckler being one of our resident Marxists.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h03_QbqhHg

[dune]

Dune, is it your opinion that ALL people on benefits are slobs ? If not, what proportion would you reckon qualify as such ? What percentage of the welfare budget is being correctly distributed to those that deserve or need to be helped ?

 

I don't know the figures, but I do know that Labour have made being a benefits slob an attractive career choice for the bone idle that would sooner sit on their arses.

[Verbal]

Ok, I'm confused. Why has the rabid right suddenly started foaming at the collective mouth? The sight of Bognor and dull yelling 'indeed!!' to each other, with benjii reduced to incoherent ***'s, is quite a comedy.

 

Chill comrades!

[badgerx16]

I don't know the figures, but I do know that Labour have made being a benefits slob an attractive career choice for the bone idle that would sooner sit on their arses.

So is it 1%, 2%, 5% - take an educated guess. Have you tried filling in the forms required to claim some of these benefits ? Have you tried to get a justifiable claim for Disability Living Allowance accepted ? Just because the Daily Heil or the Torygraph manage to dredge up and build a story around some pond scum, that doesn't mean that is indicative of what living on welfare really means for those people who would like to work but cannot, because the system works against them. It's difficult to 'get on your bike' when you need help just to get out of the front door.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Indeed, their heroes are responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people that puts them up there not far behind murderers like Adolf Hitler and Stalin.

 

But no, good old Tony and Gordon are alright by them. But Maggie, she is the anti-christ......#

 

So of you forget the deaths, forget the rich poor gap widening, my last point is the total betrayal. The socialists rejoiced in 1997 when New Labour got elected, but they were betrayed by their own. There is nothing worse than betrayal in my mind. Yet they won't have a bad word said against them.

 

It's ****ing weird if you ask me.

 

Post of the ****ing century - claiming Blair and Brown are almost 'up there' with Hitler and Stalin.

 

I also can't remember any true socialists protesting agains the Iraq war either!

 

Absolute joke you and TDD.

[Johnny Bognor]

I've just watched Ian Duncan Smith talking about the career slobs and he tell's them to get on a bus and find a job. His words reminded me Norman Tebbit who told the slobs to get on your bike and look for work.

 

I agree with both of them.

 

It's great that we finally have government that thinks it's unfair to keep taxing the working population to keep slobs in their lives of riley.

 

We've had an advert for a junior machine operator (paying £20k pa + benefits) in the job centre for over two weeks. We've had three CV's (one of which is the son of a friend). ****ing joke....if you want work it is out there.

 

Where exactly did you get this bo77ocks from?

 

Look I did that in my head (on the back of a fag packet) and am happy to rework the analogy - EDIT: Simplify the analogy

 

National Debt = 900,000,000,000

Population = 60,000,000

Debt per head = £15,000 (not £22k as I stated) on the credit card

 

UK GDP = £1,400,000,000,000

Population = 60,000,000

GDP per capita = £23,333 or £1944 per month (not far off on that one)

 

Defecit Reduction = £20bn per annum

Population = 60,000,000

Per head = £333 per person equivalent to £27.77 per month

 

 

So, is it significant to ask someone who earns £1944 per month to find £27.77 to reduce the overspend, when there is £15,000 on their credit card?

 

Ok, I'm confused. Why has the rabid right suddenly started foaming at the collective mouth? The sight of Bognor and dull yelling 'indeed!!' to each other, with benjii reduced to incoherent ***'s, is quite a comedy.

 

It's not socialism in itself that I detest, but the hypocricy and envy.

 

Post of the ****ing century - claiming Blair and Brown are almost 'up there' with Hitler and Stalin.

 

In terms of headcount, they are in the higher echelons (with Bush), just behind Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan.

Edited 22 October, 2010 by Johnny Bognor
Simplifying the argument

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Post of the ****ing century - claiming Blair and Brown are almost 'up there' with Hitler and Stalin.

 

I also can't remember any true socialists protesting agains the Iraq war either!

 

Absolute joke you and TDD.

 

Waste of time trying to debate with the Rabid Right on here really. Delldays has no understanding of politics/history having no clue about the effects of Thatcher had on the the working class people of this country, Tory Boy Bognor would defend the Tories whatever they did, Benji thinks the cuts are not bad and don't affect the poor/weakness in society and Stanley Dun©e is a seriously disturbed individual who is beyone help. This place is like the Daily (Hate)Mail these days.

[Thedelldays]

Its true ANS... You are another of those "I'm alright jack" types.. You despise maggie so much because what she did effected you..

 

Not a thought for millions around the world that are dead/displaced thanks to Blair/brown..not close enough to home eh???

[badgerx16]

In terms of headcount, they are in the higher echelons (with Bush), just behind Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan.

What about Churchill ? He was PM whilst we were fire bombing Dresden, Cologne & Hamburg. And it's not just the total headcount, it's the company they keep :Thatcher supported dictators like Pinochet, even visiting & lauding him whilst he was under house arrest.

[View From The Top]

So JB thinks Blair ranks up there with Stalin / Hitler & DD blames Blair for events in Afghanistan despite it being a UN mandated operation?

 

And they think lefies are mental! They've shown, with their own words, their clear failure to grasp facts and history. Why to the right wingers always act like total and utter ****s, twisted and bitter and gleeful about cuts that hit ordinary people? Too much Daily Mail and not enough thought about others me thinks. Shouldn't be surprised I guess.

 

Before you go off on another rant JB I'll be attending the Maggie Death Bash and I've been on the record for years regarding Blair being charged with war crimes for an illegal war in Iraq and being charged with misleading Parliament and when he shuffles of this mortal coil I'll raise a glass and wish him the flames of hades.

[badgerx16]

Ian Duncan Smith says "get on a bus and find a job". By the Government's own figures there are approx 450 thousand jobs currently on the market. There are currently something like 2.3 million claiming Job Seeker's Allowance. Up to 500 thousand more will be added to that total from public sector job losses in the next 4 years, plus there will be those moved from invalidity benefits back into the jobs market.

 

Simple platitudes from upper class, public school educated, people of independent means, do not solve the problems of real hardship and poverty that their policies cause.

[badgerx16]

Before you go off on another rant JB I'll be attending the Maggie Death Bash and I've been on the record for years regarding Blair being charged with war crimes for an illegal war in Iraq and being charged with misleading Parliament and when he shuffles of this mortal coil I'll raise a glass and wish him the flames of hades.

Kinda makes you feel sorry for the Devil looking at who's queuing up for a berth

[Fuengirola Saint]

Fuengirola (come, you've got one post left, don't waste it), Badger, R&R Man. You are all online and looking at the thread (@10.30).

 

Why won't you answer such a simple question?

 

 

I tried to post last night but it said i'd run out of posts( i thought i had one more as well, i even wrote it all out to be told i couldn't post ) I will answer your question 1, Tony Blair was just a vain self centered ***** who fooled a lot of people, me included. I think he is a war criminal because if the press knew that the weapons dossier was stolen from a students essay so did the government and MI5, therefore he went to war for a neoliberal agenda of privatising Iraq's oil,in my opinion . Gordon Brown was just somebody who desperately wanted to be PM but was not really cut out for the job, But the main difference at least between GB and Thatch was that GB did things , whether you agree with them or not because he thought them the right things to do, whereas Thatch was just plain evil. It was an ideological crusade with her, revenge for the humiliating defeat in 1974 of Heath government. Laying waste to great swathes of this country( Labour voting Great swathes ) and her ideological friedmanesque experiment with this country which enriched many of her party's donors and friends. That is only my humble opinion.

I have a question for any working class Tory, Do you ever get the feeling that the boys of the Bullingdon club are ****ing themselves laughing when you are doffing your caps to them by repeating their mantra that " if we tax the banks and financial institutions fairly " they will leave Britain?

[badgerx16]

I tried to post last night but it said i'd run out of posts( i thought i had one more as well, i even wrote it all out to be told i couldn't post ) I will answer your question 1, Tony Blair was just a vain self centered ***** who fooled a lot of people, me included. I think he is a war criminal because if the press knew that the weapons dossier was stolen from a students essay so did the government and MI5, therefore he went to war for a neoliberal agenda of privatising Iraq's oil,in my opinion . Gordon Brown was just somebody who desperately wanted to be PM but was not really cut out for the job, But the main difference at least between GB and Thatch was that GB did things , whether you agree with them or not because he thought them the right things to do, whereas Thatch was just plain evil. It was an ideological crusade with her, revenge for the humiliating defeat in 1974 of Heath government. Laying waste to great swathes of this country( Labour voting Great swathes ) and her ideological friedmanesque experiment with this country which enriched many of her party's donors and friends. That is only my humble opinion.

I have a question for any working class Tory, Do you ever get the feeling that the boys of the Bullingdon club are ****ing themselves laughing when you are doffing your caps to them by repeating their mantra that " if we tax the banks and financial institutions fairly " they will leave Britain?

This.

[Johnny Bognor]

Waste of time trying to debate with the Rabid Right on here really. Delldays has no understanding of politics/history having no clue about the effects of Thatcher had on the the working class people of this country, Tory Boy Bognor would defend the Tories whatever they did, Benji thinks the cuts are not bad and don't affect the poor/weakness in society and Stanley Dun©e is a seriously disturbed individual who is beyone help. This place is like the Daily (Hate)Mail these days.

 

Total ********. I have criticised them over the child benefit fiasco where in principal the rich should not get this benefit, but in execution they have ****ed up. I have also criticised them with regards to university fees, where I believe certain subjects should be ring fenced, making university more affordable, whilst delivering the graduates we need.

 

That is criticism twice in the last week.

 

My politics may be right of centre, but they are the politics of common sense. I have and will criticise the tories where I see fit, as I am not bound by blind loyalty or political dogma.

 

 

What about Churchill ? He was PM whilst we were fire bombing Dresden, Cologne & Hamburg. And it's not just the total headcount, it's the company they keep :Thatcher supported dictators like Pinochet, even visiting & lauding him whilst he was under house arrest.

 

It is slightly different when there are tanks and troops across the Channel, who happend to start bombing our cities first.

 

So JB thinks Blair ranks up there with Stalin / Hitler & DD blames Blair for events in Afghanistan despite it being a UN mandated operation?

 

And they think lefies are mental! They've shown, with their own words, their clear failure to grasp facts and history. Why to the right wingers always act like total and utter ****s, twisted and bitter and gleeful about cuts that hit ordinary people? Too much Daily Mail and not enough thought about others me thinks. Shouldn't be surprised I guess.

 

Not gleeful at all. This cuts could trigger a double dip recession which will affect my business. We have already lost a number of public sector clients (The TDA being one) which has had an impact. So it is not about me, me, me as I am too feeling the pain. It is NOT a laughing matter and I have never suggested it was.

 

I liken it to going to the dentist to have a filling, you don't relish it, but it is necessary and it is going to hurt.

 

Before you go off on another rant JB I'll be attending the Maggie Death Bash and I've been on the record for years regarding Blair being charged with war crimes for an illegal war in Iraq and being charged with misleading Parliament and when he shuffles of this mortal coil I'll raise a glass and wish him the flames of hades.

 

Fair play, that makes you less of a hypocrite than many of the other 'socialists' on here.

 

Ian Duncan Smith says "get on a bus and find a job". By the Government's own figures there are approx 450 thousand jobs currently on the market. There are currently something like 2.3 million claiming Job Seeker's Allowance. Up to 500 thousand more will be added to that total from public sector job losses in the next 4 years, plus there will be those moved from invalidity benefits back into the jobs market.

 

Yet we get 3 CVs for a well paid junior job

Edited 22 October, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[Joensuu]

Before you go off on another rant JB I'll be attending the Maggie Death Bash and I've been on the record for years regarding Blair being charged with war crimes for an illegal war in Iraq and being charged with misleading Parliament and when he shuffles of this mortal coil I'll raise a glass and wish him the flames of hades.

 

I agree wholeheartedly. While powerful, and charismatic, neither Maggie nor Blair should be remembered with any respect. I think I might even dislike Blair slightly more than Maggie.

 

The one thing that links both Maggie and Tony, is they both oversaw extreme right of centre governments, which excluded voices from the left and centre.

[Mao Cap]

I won't be absolutely made up or anything, but I imagine I'll meet the deaths of Thatcher and Blair (same f*cking thing really) with a smile and a mumbled "good". Brown, whilst not up to the job and responsible for some major mistakes, always struck me as a thoroughly decent man.

 

As for anything else, there's not much point in endless tit-for-tat. History shows that the current approach never works; the events of the next parliamentary term will prove this once again more effectively than any words. Still, the Tories and their yellow lapdogs will enjoy themselves immensely tormenting penniless oiks in the process, so at least some of us will be having fun.

[Seaford Saint]

Some questions for you economists out there. In round figures 1 million jobs are going, 500,000 in private sector and the same in the public sector. Has anyone costed this in terms of in redundancy payments, reduced tax revenues, increased benefits paid out. What do we save by doing this?

 

We allegedly pay £140 million a day in interest to service our debt. To whom are we repaying it. A serious question if I may. Why don't we refuse to pay back the interest on the loans. Be nice in your reply. I can't understand why if the Bank of England is our bank we have to pay any interest on monies the country has borrowed....we would certainly have to pay the money back.

 

What is quantative easing if its not just printing money? Why do you have to pay interest on something created out of thin air as in money?

[Wade Garrett]

I don't know the figures, but I do know that Labour have made being a benefits slob an attractive career choice for the bone idle that would sooner sit on their arses.

 

There were less unemployed 'scroungers' under Blair and Brown than under Thatcher and Major.

[Whitey Grandad]

Some questions for you economists out there. In round figures 1 million jobs are going, 500,000 in private sector and the same in the public sector. Has anyone costed this in terms of in redundancy payments, reduced tax revenues, increased benefits paid out. What do we save by doing this?

 

We allegedly pay £140 million a day in interest to service our debt. To whom are we repaying it. A serious question if I may. Why don't we refuse to pay back the interest on the loans. Be nice in your reply. I can't understand why if the Bank of England is our bank we have to pay any interest on monies the country has borrowed....we would certainly have to pay the money back.

 

What is quantative easing if its not just printing money? Why do you have to pay interest on something created out of thin air as in money?

We borrow money by selling Gilts on the international markets. If we don't pay back the interest then we shall have defaulted on these loans and we shall never be able to borrow anything again. Basically, we would be f****d.