The Spending Review (tackling the Socialists debt mountain)

[Whitey Grandad]

I say get rid of all MPs and let the Queen and her family run their country instead of entrusting it to the people and their inept representatives.

 

Now that would save a few bob....

How about a benevolent dictatorship? I'll toss you for it.

[benjii]

With regard to student loans, tuition fees, etc; How many on here with degrees obtained them, like me, before loans & fees were introduced, and therefore were subsidised by the tax payer without having to pay anything back ? One thing above all else that p!sses me off in this debate is MPs, of any hue, journos, and other talking heads, who benefitted from the 'old way' of funding FE/HE and now spout out that graduates must pay their way because it is 'unfair' on the taxpayer.

 

That should not really annoy you. They weren't repsonsible for the state of the system when they were students and so there is no hypocrisy or contradiction in wanting to tighten it up.

[benjii]

I doubt students are done any favours by being repreented by the NUS to be honest. My experience of it when I was an 'oodent was that it was a hotbead of left-wing extremism. Nice to see it actually talking about something relevant to students though rather than worrying for some inexplicable reason about Israel and Palestine.

 

Let's be honest it's a bit cool to be all politically agitated and angry when you're younger. That's why all the best rock music is anti-establishment in some way. Most of the people there yesterday went because they thought it would be a laugh, they like the buzz of protest and it was better than lectures/work/watching Countdown.

[benjii]

How about a benevolent dictatorship? I'll toss you for it.

 

"There will be no end to the troubles of the state or indeed of humanity until philosophers become kings or until those we now call kings really and truly become philosophers"

[trousers]

How about a benevolent dictatorship? I'll toss you for it.

 

You're on. Do we have a venue for the tossing?

[trousers]

"There will be no end to the troubles of the state or indeed of humanity until philosophers become kings or until those we now call kings really and truly become philosophers"

 

Bob Carolgees?

 

[Whitey Grandad]

You're on. Do we have a venue for the tossing?

 

I would reply with the traditional response but this is The Lounge, after all.

[dune]

Check out the scum website..

 

http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/2010/11/10/at-long-last/

[rocknrollman no2]

Actually,apart from the trouble,im really proud of all of those students who went to London to protest against the injustice of the Condem policies.Its about time the student population started to become interested in politics and the things that affect them.I think its rich that the MPs who all had a free education and got us into this mess in the first place,now have the cheek to preach to our younger generation that they have to pay for mistakes that are not their fault and the hipocrisy of the Libdems is astounding.

Just a thought,how much airtime do you think their march would have had,if it had been peaceful?Two minutes at the most?

[dune]

Actually,apart from the trouble,im really proud of all of those students who went to London to protest against the injustice of the Condem policies.Its about time the student population started to become interested in politics and the things that affect them.I think its rich that the MPs who all had a free education and got us into this mess in the first place,now have the cheek to preach to our younger generation that they have to pay for mistakes that are not their fault and the hipocrisy of the Libdems is astounding.

Just a thought,how much airtime do you think their march would have had,if it had been peaceful?Two minutes at the most?

 

You're probably right, but from a political point of view the anarchists behaviour made the event an own goal and it'll be remembered not for the cause, but for the marxist vandalism.

[aintforever]

You're probably right, but from a political point of view the anarchists behaviour made the event an own goal and it'll be remembered not for the cause, but for the marxist vandalism.

 

Not really, the violence achieved a lot more than what a peaceful protest would have - it got them prime spot on the news instead of 25 seconds at the end.

 

Protests are all about getting attention, the more violence the more effective.

[dune]

Not really, the violence achieved a lot more than what a peaceful protest would have - it got them prime spot on the news instead of 25 seconds at the end.

 

Protests are all about getting attention, the more violence the more effective.

 

The more violence the more publicity, but it certainly will not have any effect on policy and it certainly will not have impressed British people aside from fringe Marxist types.

[aintforever]

The more violence the more publicity, but it certainly will not have any effect on policy and it certainly will not have impressed British people aside from fringe Marxist types.

 

I think it will have more effect than a peaceful protest no one even notices.

 

The nutters who did the violence will be treated as scum (and rightly so) but the underlying cause will be helped.

[rocknrollman no2]

I was on the Poll tax march 20 odd years ago (makes me feel old),and although 99% of protesters were peaceful,the trouble there was on all the news and it was the lead story for days.Eventually the Poll tax was changed.Im not saying it was because of the march,but it sure helped things along.

I also went on the anti war march in London,where over a million protesters marched against the government.There was no violence and the march achieved absolutely nothing.

[dune]

I think it will have more effect than a peaceful protest no one even notices.

 

The nutters who did the violence will be treated as scum (and rightly so) but the underlying cause will be helped.

 

Unfortunately the cause is lost because as the previous chief secretary to the treasury stated "There is no money left".

[rocknrollman no2]

Unfortunately the cause is lost because as the previous chief secretary to the treasury stated "There is no money left".

 

But they can find the money to fight two major wars,keep trident and give billions to overseas aid?

Perhaps the government have the wrong priorities?

[dune]

I was on the Poll tax march 20 odd years ago (makes me feel old),and although 99% of protesters were peaceful,the trouble there was on all the news and it was the lead story for days.Eventually the Poll tax was changed.Im not saying it was because of the march,but it sure helped things along.

I also went on the anti war march in London,where over a million protesters marched against the government.There was no violence and the march achieved absolutely nothing.

 

It's interesting that the vast majority of the population didn't attend these marches. I supported the war in Iraq so that cancels you out.

[dune]

But they can find the money to fight two major wars,keep trident and give billions to overseas aid?

Perhaps the government have the wrong priorities?

 

I most certainly agree re overseas aid. This is scandalous.

[aintforever]

Unfortunately the cause is lost because as the previous chief secretary to the treasury stated "There is no money left".

 

I totally agree that Labour screwed up, in idiot Brown's own words - he thought he ended boom and bust.

 

But I am very wary of the Tories putting up uni fees, we all know that deep down all the average Tory wants to do is make sure their offspring get in to the best uni instead of poorer people.

[dune]

I totally agree that Labour screwed up, in idiot Brown's own words - he thought he ended boom and bust.

 

But I am very wary of the Tories putting up uni fees, we all know that deep down all the average Tory wants to do is make sure their offspring get in to the best uni instead of poorer people.

 

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect those are who're given the opportunity to earn high wages to pay for the privilidge.

[buctootim]

But they can find the money to fight two major wars,keep trident and give billions to overseas aid?

Perhaps the government have the wrong priorities?

 

University education costs £13bn a year - a lot of money - but any meaningful reduction in government spending will have to come from pensions and healthcare - between them they account for £230 billion.

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_education_budget_2010_2.html

[badgerx16]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect those are who're given the opportunity to earn high wages to pay for the privilidge.

£21k pa qualifies as 'high' wages ?

[scotty]

I was on the Poll tax march 20 odd years ago (makes me feel old),and although 99% of protesters were peaceful,the trouble there was on all the news and it was the lead story for days.Eventually the Poll tax was changed.Im not saying it was because of the march,but it sure helped things along.

I also went on the anti war march in London,where over a million protesters marched against the government.There was no violence and the march achieved absolutely nothing.

 

It was nearer two million I think, but it was never going to achieve a halt to the invasion even if double that number had turned out and demolished the capital. Blairs tongue was so far up bush's ar5e by then it would have needed surgery to remove it.

[View From The Top]

£21k pa qualifies as 'high' wages ?

 

It is to someone on low wages due to only having a HND.

[Whitey Grandad]

Is nobody watching 'Britain's Trillion Pound Horror Story' on Channel Four? An interesting alternative view to the pamphlet to which we were referred earlier.

[dune]

It is to someone on low wages due to only having a HND.

 

I've missed your little digs VFTB.

[benjii]

£21k pa qualifies as 'high' wages ?

 

If you're earning £21k you probably pay back about £100 per month and that stops if you drop under the £21k p.a income threshold. Student loan repayments hardly push people into poverty and suggestions that these repayments make university prohibitive to people is a fallacy born either of ignorance or deceit.

[trousers]

£21k pa qualifies as 'high' wages ?

 

Graduates earning that figure will pay less under the "ConDems" than they currently do under the tuition fees introduced by Labour . Let's all storm the Labour HQ in protest....hmmm.....

[AndyNorthernSaints]

I've missed your little digs VFTB.

Here's another one Stanley. Sad pathetic little bitter man scared of anyone of a different race, culture, class, intelligence, education, nationality, political view, union member, public sector worker, council estate tennant, disability, anyone on benefits......

[saint_mears]

Socialists are nothing more than anti british scum.

[trousers]

Socialists are nothing more than anti british scum.

 

Discuss.

[dune]

Socialists are nothing more than anti british scum.

 

[dune]

Here's another one Stanley. Sad pathetic little bitter man scared of anyone of a different race, culture, class, intelligence, education, nationality, political view, union member, public sector worker, council estate tennant, disability, anyone on benefits......

 

Another bedroom general with intollerance towards anyone that doesn't pursue a Marxist agenda.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect those are who're given the opportunity to earn high wages to pay for the privilidge.

 

My 22k a year is NOT a high wage.

Edited 12 November, 2010 by Thorpe-le-Saint

[dune]

Judging by your grasp of the English language you are not one of these 'higher earners'? ' Who're '! Give me strength.

 

http://www.yourdictionary.com/who-re

 

Now you look stupid.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Another bedroom general with intollerance towards anyone that doesn't pursue a Marxist agenda.

 

That's ****ing ironic isn't it? You could lead 'Bedroom General Bootcamp #101' for anyone with intolerance towards those who don't hold a purely Thatcherite/fascist agenda.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

http://www.yourdictionary.com/who-re

 

Now you look stupid.

 

 

Hmmmm, I still doubt it's use regardless. Show me a link to it in the Oxford English dictionary because it's probably some American English word. Anyway I've edited it for your own amusement.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Socialists are nothing more than anti british scum.

 

Fascists are anti British scum.

 

See, anyone can play this game.

[dune]

My 22k a year is NOT a high wage.

 

You're right about that, but you do spend half the year on holiday.

[Johnny Bognor]

You're right about that, but you do spend half the year on holiday.

 

So pro rata, that's equivalent to £44k a year

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Another bedroom general with intollerance towards anyone that doesn't pursue a Marxist agenda.

 

Keep posting your racist crap (i see you tried to highjack the lest we forget thread with your usual racial incitement) and i will keep giving you it back.

[dune]

Keep posting your racist crap (i see you tried to highjack the lest we forget thread with your usual racial incitement) and i will keep giving you it back.

 

The story was in the Daily Mail so it can hardly be described as racial incitement.

[dune]

LABOUR MPS CHEERED ON MARXIST VANDALS

 

As missiles were hurled at police backbencher John McDonnell tweeted: 'Just shows what can be done when people get angry. We must build on this'. Then MP Alex Cunningham tweeted: 'Well done our students – thousands outside the office getting stuck into the LibDem/Tory government.'

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328958/Labour-MPs-cheered-student-tuition-fee-vandals-Twitter.html

[dune]

[Wade Garrett]

I remember protesting with Tucker Jenkins, Benny Green and Trisha Yates when Scruffy McGuffy got sacked.

 

Now that was a proper student demonstration.

[badgerx16]

LABOUR MPS CHEERED ON MARXIST VANDALS

 

As missiles were hurled at police backbencher John McDonnell tweeted: 'Just shows what can be done when people get angry. We must build on this'. Then MP Alex Cunningham tweeted: 'Well done our students – thousands outside the office getting stuck into the LibDem/Tory government.'

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328958/Labour-MPs-cheered-student-tuition-fee-vandals-Twitter.html

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?26404-Tory-arrested-for-twitter-comment

 

From the comments on that thread, it seems to be acceptable for a Tory to ask for somebody to be stoned to death via Twitter, as the law is judged to be too harsh and it was just 'a bit of fun'.

Edited 12 November, 2010 by badgerx16

[dune]

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?26404-Tory-arrested-for-twitter-comment

 

From the comments on that thread, it seems to be acceptable for a Tory to ask for somebody to be stoned to death via Twitter, as the law is judged to be too harsh and it was just 'a bit of fun'.

 

They are two separate issues.

[badgerx16]

They are two separate issues.

In what way ? They are both examples of very poor judgement being exhibited by our elected representatives, and both are offensive. Just because one of them might agree with parts of your own personal prejudice, whilst the other might be reinforcing your stereotypical views of Labour MPs, doesn't make either acceptable.

[trousers]

Hmmmm, I still doubt it's use regardless. Show me a link to it in the Oxford English dictionary because it's probably some American English word

 

Showing Oxford English dictionary definitions on here falls on death ears I'm afraid......especially when trying to correct people about festive holiday dates.....

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

You're right about that, but you do spend half the year on holiday.

 

I do :-D Thanks fellow taxpayer!