Gay saints Fans?

[Mr X]

I realise this is going to set me up for all sorts of abuse and no doubt I will prob not be able to post on here again, but I thought I'd be brave/incredibly foolish and say that yes I am indeed Gay and have supported the saints since a young age when my dad used to take me to the dell.

 

I just wanted to try and dispell the myth of the stereotype that Gay guys cant have anything to do with typical masculine sports. (and to the imature no i dont support for eyeing players, I have a genuine affinity to my home club and enjoy football as a sport) Maybe saints fans will suprise me with their maturity who knows!

 

What do saints fans think of people like gareth thomas who have indeed risked their whole career?

[Liquidshokk]

I think putting this in the muppet show rather than the lounge takes something away from the discussion. You shouldn't feel your message is taboo or doesn't have a place in "normal" sections. I guess it doesn't really need discussing either as I for one am fully aware that just because someone is gay doesn't mean they don't like/have a place in football!

 

I agree that other people might see it as a significant issue but I think homosexuality is commonplace enough these days for most to accept it in relation to any part of life.

[Liquidshokk]

Anyhow, everyone resides somewhere on the sexuality scale IMO. Very few sit right on either end.

[Mr X]

Anyhow, everyone resides somewhere on the sexuality scale IMO. Very few sit right on either end.

 

I realise i have probably posted this in the wrong section apologies. Thanks for the reasoned comments there appreciated. Yes i think things have moved on generally just still a little stigma over things. Its kind of cool as most people don't even pick up that Im gay as im not your typical girly guy. Comments are always going to be there from the minority and I accept its part of life, everyone is discriminated for something these days

 

Yes thats very true nothing is ever black and white with regards sexuality. Somehow I doubt anyone else is gonna come forward on here other than me but thats cool to be expected (not trying to make out im some kind of hero or role model far from it!)

[Colinjb]

Mr X, firstly, fair play to you mate. It takes bottle to 'come out' like this and for that I salute you!

 

There is no surprise to me that we have gay fans. There will be a gay portion of fans in every fanbase but due to stigma you would probably never know.

 

Hopefully there will be no muppets who jump on this issue.

[Draino76]

This is probably the right time to reveal that I am a transgender albino dwarf.

[suewhistle]

and no doubt I will prob not be able to post on here again,

 

Nah, the only people you'd have to worry about are the ones not worth worrying about; usually the less educated, more stupid and generally bigotted about most things.

 

Anyway, don't forget us lesbians who, I have to say, do make up a higher than normal percentage in women's football!;-)

[SuperMikey]

In my eyes Mr X, you're no different to any other Saints fan out there. Some of us are builders, some of us are teachers, some of us are astrophysicists, but we all have at least one thing in common and that is that we all love SFC.

[Smirking_Saint]

I really don't understand this thread TBH ??

 

What difference does it make ?

 

Of course your gonna get a few people having a pop but that goes for anyone who is considered different from the norm (which is boll*cks for a start)

 

Your no different to any other fan really. I don't really understand the purpose of the thread.

[buctootim]

As Smirking says - what difference does it make? I have absolutely no problem with people being gay. I hold my hands up and admit I feel uncomfortable around very camp men and butch women, mainly I think because it feels like an affectation and is excluding - 'we're different to you'. But I dont think my view is predjudice, because many gay people feel similarly.

[Spudders]

I really don't understand this thread TBH ??

 

What difference does it make ?

 

Of course your gonna get a few people having a pop but that goes for anyone who is considered different from the norm (which is boll*cks for a start)

 

Your no different to any other fan really. I don't really understand the purpose of the thread.

 

Indeed. I work for a global company and we get emails advertising employee groups such as 'Gay and Lesbian employees' and for 'Afro Caribbean employees' and I think the same sort of thing, FFS do people actually care? maybe it's a generation thing and now that being in one of these groups isn't such a big deal, maybe they miss the attention?

 

Gay, straight, can't decide, who cares, COYR's.

 

Mr X, will you be wanting a Gay & Lesbian sub forum set up?

[Scudamore]

So what's the point of this thread? Mr X is looking to hook up with fellow Saints fans? Makes sense I guess. Saves having to argue with your partner about going to football at the weekend

[1976_Child]

I have no problem with gays at football. It's women who shouldn't be allowed through the turnstiles.

[Mr X]

Yes I realise their was no specific point being made in the thread however I did ask a question though, just wanted to see if generally views had changed on a modern forum. Thanks to those that have replied

[Mr X]

So what's the point of this thread? Mr X is looking to hook up with fellow Saints fans? Makes sense I guess. Saves having to argue with your partner about going to football at the weekend

 

hehe I expected some responses like this and am not offended, but did you read the question?

[Saintandy666]

I'll just echo what everyone else seems to have said. It really isn't too much of an issue(at least for me and people in my circles) any more. The person is what is important, not their sexuality.

[scotty]

Nah, the only people you'd have to worry about are the ones not worth worrying about; usually the less educated, more stupid and generally bigotted about most things.

 

Anyway, don't forget us lesbians who, I have to say, do make up a higher than normal percentage in women's football!;-)

 

I suspect that more posters on here would prefer to watch Sue in action with her friends than Mr X with his. Other than that I dont see any difference either.

[Spudders]

Yes I realise their was no specific point being made in the thread however I did ask a question though, just wanted to see if generally views had changed on a modern forum. Thanks to those that have replied

 

So what are your thoughts? Were the comments as you expected? Do you think some good points have been raised? Do you think the comments here are different than you expected?

[SNSUN]

I've been going out with a fat, ugly, smelly, Norwich supporting woman for nearly five years. Trust me, there's many downsides to being straight. Kudos to the op for your bravery, but you should have no worries on here. We're all brothers and sisters because we support Saints. I would imagine you'd have more worries if you were a Liverpool fan on a Liverpool forum, the few I know are cretins.

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

I have been struggling with feelings of being gay for a number of years. I am 30 now and had my first gay experience when I was 1. Since then I have had a number of male lovers, and a smaller number of female lovers.

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

I have been struggling with feelings of being gay for a number of years. I am 30 now and had my first gay experience when I was 1. Since then I have had a number of male lovers, and a smaller number of female lovers.

 

That should say '15' not '1'. Stupid wireless keyboard!!

[Liquidshokk]

That should say '15' not '1'. Stupid wireless keyboard!!

 

It did raise an eyebrow when I read 1!!!! Talk about pork em' young.

 

Sounds like you haven't really allowed yourself to accept one or the other, or even somewhere in the middle. As I say I think everyone is on the scale somewhere so just enjoy what you enjoy when you enjoy it and don't worry about the labels.

[Mr X]

So what are your thoughts? Were the comments as you expected? Do you think some good points have been raised? Do you think the comments here are different than you expected?

 

Have to say it seems that things have moved on a little for the majority of people...... most people realise somones sexuality doesnt make them any different as a person and that we share the same goal of supporting are local team and wanting the best for them. Theres always going to be the minority of 14 yr olds chavs where their intelligence doesnt go beyond sexuality jokes and bullying but thats to be expected. Am pleasantly suprised with the reaction to this thread more "couldnt care less" comments than i was envisioning, thanks everyone. Noone answered the original question so cant comment on that

[Mr X]

I have been struggling with feelings of being gay for a number of years. I am 30 now and had my first gay experience when I was 1. Since then I have had a number of male lovers, and a smaller number of female lovers.

 

Cant tell if this is serious or not? as you live in the land of ultimate irony and all that

[Essruu]

I think that one day cures will be found for things like cancer, mental illness and homosexuality. At the very least, propensity to either of them will be able to be detected during pregnancy so that termination will be an option (like it is for Downs Syndrome today).

[Liquidshokk]

I think that one day cures will be found for things like cancer, mental illness and homosexuality. At the very least, propensity to either of them will be able to be detected during pregnancy so that termination will be an option (like it is for Downs Syndrome today).

 

Might want to add your illness to that list.

[Essruu]

Might want to add your illness to that list.

 

There's no need for personal abuse.

 

So, what do you people think: are queers born that way or do they become that way? Is it in your genes and you can't help it? Or is it a decision you've made based on the relaxing of attitudes and the general brainwashing that being a gay is perfectly 'normal' that made you try it out? Nature or nurture?

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

There's no need for personal abuse.

 

So, what do you people think: are queers born that way or do they become that way? Is it in your genes and you can't help it? Or is it a decision you've made based on the relaxing of attitudes and the general brainwashing that being a gay is perfectly 'normal' that made you try it out? Nature or nurture?

 

Essruu likes to be all 'crazy' and 'controversial' but, as you can see, it is all a bit old-hat now and he himself is a bit tired and worn out from all that taxi-driving.

[Verbal]

There's no need for personal abuse.

 

So, what do you people think: are queers born that way or do they become that way? Is it in your genes and you can't help it? Or is it a decision you've made based on the relaxing of attitudes and the general brainwashing that being a gay is perfectly 'normal' that made you try it out? Nature or nurture?

 

I didn't read that as abuse, more as a way of stating the obvious - that your antique homophobia needs sorting out.

[Verbal]

And to all those who say this is a 'so what' issue - sadly not.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/17/increase-homophobia-violence-new-york

[Liquidshokk]

There's no need for personal abuse.

 

So, what do you people think: are queers born that way or do they become that way? Is it in your genes and you can't help it? Or is it a decision you've made based on the relaxing of attitudes and the general brainwashing that being a gay is perfectly 'normal' that made you try it out? Nature or nurture?

 

I really don't want to bite to your pathetic, homophobic input but as you ask I don't think anyone "chooses" to be gay. Noone can choose what their brain is sexually attracted to. Our body is made up of an insane amount of genes and hormones and as animals we live our lives by the rules that they dictate. There is homosexuality throughout the animal kingdom and...

 

....you know what, I can't be assed to finish that... You know all this but your immature narrow mindedness and secret homosexual feelings lead you to attack those who are more open with themselves. I pitty you.

[Liquidshokk]

By the way, there was another thread on here recently debating homosexuality, pedophilia etc so please check that thread before you respond with much the same homophobic drivel... Cheers

[Jillyanne]

I really don't want to bite to your pathetic, homophobic input but as you ask I don't think anyone "chooses" to be gay. Noone can choose what their brain is sexually attracted to. Our body is made up of an insane amount of genes and hormones and as animals we live our lives by the rules that they dictate. There is homosexuality throughout the animal kingdom and...

 

....you know what, I can't be assed to finish that... You know all this but your immature narrow mindedness and secret homosexual feelings lead you to attack those who are more open with themselves. I pitty you.

 

 

Don't take the typical Essruu bait, thats exactly what he wants!!!

[latter day saint]

no issue for me,regarding someones sexuality. think bi-sexuals are being a bit greedy to be honest,just make your bloody mind up!

answering your question about gareth thomas, i think he was brave to come out but maybe it would have been better before he got married ?

[sambosa75]

Not that I agree with Essruu's points because I dont but should we really be insulting him for airing his own personal views when thats exactly what he's been asked to do? The word 'queer' can be construed as derogatory but I have a few gay friends and colleagues who openly call themselves queer.

 

Perhaps Essruu could have put what he said more eloquently but he has just as much right to air his point of view as everyone else. I'm assuming Mr X wanted to hear the opinions of a broad cross section of football fans, not just the more liberal ones amongst us. What should come as a comfort though is how many people, including myself, couldnt care less what his preference was sexually. This is a football forum, if he spends time on here it means he is a Saints fan. Thats good enough for me.

[Liquidshokk]

Not that I agree with Essruu's points because I dont but should we really be insulting him for airing his own personal views when thats exactly what he's been asked to do? The word 'queer' can be construed as derogatory but I have a few gay friends and colleagues who openly call themselves queer.

 

Perhaps Essruu could have put what he said more eloquently but he has just as much right to air his point of view as everyone else. I'm assuming Mr X wanted to hear the opinions of a broad cross section of football fans, not just the more liberal ones amongst us. What should come as a comfort though is how many people, including myself, couldnt care less what his preference was sexually. This is a football forum, if he spends time on here it means he is a Saints fan. Thats good enough for me.

 

That's all very well, but implying homosexuality should be detected in the womb and such babies then terminated??? That's not a view that should be accepted imo, even in the interest of debate.

[Liquidshokk]

Don't take the typical Essruu bait, thats exactly what he wants!!!

 

He's got what he wanted then. If that makes him feel big/clever/funny then that's even more sad.

[sambosa75]

That's all very well, but implying homosexuality should be detected in the womb and such babies then terminated??? That's not a view that should be accepted imo, even in the interest of debate.

 

I agree with what you are saying but 100 years ago people would have thought it was crazy to detect such things as down syndrome in the womb. Doctors reckon there is something in the gene make up for homosexuals that make them gay (I think this is ****** personally). If they can confirm this is indeed true and possible to pick up during pregnancy then knowing this country and the way certain people think, there will be a market for giving parents this option if its feasible.

 

I dont think anyone is accepting that particular point of view but there will always be peaople with extreme views about because we live in a democratic society (apparently), even the extremists have a right to air their view.

[scotty]

a little off topic I know, but did anybody else feel like punching the sh*t out of gareth gates when he came out? Not because hes gay, just because hes a tosser

[sambosa75]

a little off topic I know, but did anybody else feel like punching the sh*t out of gareth gates when he came out? Not because hes gay, just because hes a tosser

 

Gareth Gates? I've seen him in a club working the room and he certainly didnt come across as gay... Do you mean either WIll Young or Joe McElderry?

[scotty]

Gareth Gates? I've seen him in a club working the room and he certainly didnt come across as gay... Do you mean either WIll Young or Joe McElderry?

 

no, the tw*t from take that, the little wimpy one. Didnt he come out a while back?

[Lighthouse]

Gareth Gates? I've seen him in a club working the room and he certainly didnt come across as gay... Do you mean either WIll Young or Joe McElderry?

 

Didn't he do Jordan a while back? Makes you wonder how Alex Best does it every night. I mean, imagine serving her the goods knowing the people who've been there first. GG, Dwight Yorke, Peter Andre, Ralf Schumacher...

[Liquidshokk]

I agree with what you are saying but 100 years ago people would have thought it was crazy to detect such things as down syndrome in the womb. Doctors reckon there is something in the gene make up for homosexuals that make them gay (I think this is ****** personally). If they can confirm this is indeed true and possible to pick up during pregnancy then knowing this country and the way certain people think, there will be a market for giving parents this option if its feasible.

 

I dont think anyone is accepting that particular point of view but there will always be peaople with extreme views about because we live in a democratic society (apparently), even the extremists have a right to air their view.

 

But that would imply it's an illness or a defect with the baby which is bullish!t. It would never happen as it contradicts the shift in society that it is ok to be gay. When you have a child you don't know how your child will turn out but you love it unconditionally whether it be gay, fat, thin, intelligent or thick as pig sh!t

 

The best thing that can happen to the homophobe on here is that he has a fat, Ginger, gay, dunce of a child so that he is forced to respect and defend all that society deems as defects.

[tpbury]

I thought this was an all gay forum?!?

[Huffton]

a little off topic I know, but did anybody else feel like punching the sh*t out of gareth gates when he came out? Not because hes gay, just because hes a tosser

 

I wanted to punch the crap out of LONG before he came out...

[Mr X]

I think that one day cures will be found for things like cancer, mental illness and homosexuality. At the very least, propensity to either of them will be able to be detected during pregnancy so that termination will be an option (like it is for Downs Syndrome today).

well this is impressive took 25 posts in before somone confirmed that theres always one muppet on the forum. I certainly didnt choose to be gay why would anyone choose a life of discrimination? anyway like others have said your just fishing for a reaction by trying to think of something controversial and delighting in peoples reactions. And yes I think your entitled to your opinion but this reeks of just trying to be controversial for the sake of it

[Special K]

 

What do saints fans think of people like gareth thomas who have indeed risked their whole career?

 

He hardly risked his career, seeing as he'd pretty much finished it before coming out as openly gay. There aren't too many who have come out, but if sport is reflective of society, then there must be more homosexual sportsmen and women who keep it under wraps, which can only be difficult for them.

 

Personally i cannot see what all the fuss is about. I don't think gay people should be subject to prejudice, but then again i don't think they should be singled out for special treatment either. I cannot stand a gay pride march as much as i would not tolerate an anti-gay demonstration (for want of a better phrase). Mr X, you should still be subject to some gentle ribbing and mild banter though (in the same vein as the fat/bald/short/etc are), like are you looking forward to the Brighton away fixture, etc, etc.

[Mr X]

He hardly risked his career, seeing as he'd pretty much finished it before coming out as openly gay. There aren't too many who have come out, but if sport is reflective of society, then there must be more homosexual sportsmen and women who keep it under wraps, which can only be difficult for them.

 

Personally i cannot see what all the fuss is about. I don't think gay people should be subject to prejudice, but then again i don't think they should be singled out for special treatment either. I cannot stand a gay pride march as much as i would not tolerate an anti-gay demonstration (for want of a better phrase). Mr X, you should still be subject to some gentle ribbing and mild banter though (in the same vein as the fat/bald/short/etc are), like are you looking forward to the Brighton away fixture, etc, etc.

 

I dont agree with gay pride either, think its totally redundant as you cant be proud of something you have no control over and the whole rights thing has been sorted so to speak, i do appreciate the people that fought for those rights though. Yes definitely i dont see anything wrong with a little lighthearted banter its when people cross the line into being malicious with intent that needs to stop

Edited 17 October, 2010 by Mr X

[Red&White]

I'll just echo what everyone else seems to have said. It really isn't too much of an issue(at least for me and people in my circles) any more. The person is what is important, not their sexuality.

 

Spot on !

[dronskisaint]

well this is impressive took 25 posts in before somone confirmed that theres always one muppet on the forum. I certainly didnt choose to be gay why would anyone choose a life of discrimination? anyway like others have said your just fishing for a reaction by trying to think of something controversial and delighting in peoples reactions. And yes I think your entitled to your opinion but this reeks of just trying to be controversial for the sake of it

 

So your post which was without any particular point was actually to attention-seek & try to prompt a reaction?

 

Well you got it - well done!